Werewolves: the perfect predator?

[Lycanthropoligist]

Humans have always have that gut instinct, that "feeling". But werewolves are way more than that. Heightened senses and maybe extra ones. Unmeasurable strength and speed. And so much more. I am sure that werewolves aka lycans aka loup-garou (Blood and Chocolate) are almost adept to survive in any environment.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Let's see, they can only go werewolf during the moon and are strongest during the full moon; they loose control of themselves under the presence of the moon; after their first full moon there is no way to cure them; they're the only creatures that can naturally kill a vampire, yet their mindlessness usually makes them enslaved; etc. Werewolves are far from perfect.

But... they're still awesome in so many ways. They're beasts that are loyal to their own kind (you can only get werewolves from different packs to fight each other), unlike vampires that die in sunlight, silver only burns werewolves and it still takes a mortal wound with silver to kill them. You don't need to die to become a werewolf. They're over twice as strong as vampires, have better senses, etc. But still, far from perfect.

[GhostBat]

Let's see, they can only go werewolf during the moon and are strongest during the full moon;...

There are some movies/books that have changed this, and say that werewolves can shapeshift whenever they want. If that's the case, they'd probably be considered one of the most advanced predators ever to exist.

I mean, besides some of the incredibly powerful theropods that existed during the Mesozoic, like Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus.

[BlackRosePhantom]

There are some movies/books that have changed this, and say that werewolves can shapeshift whenever they want. If that's the case, they'd probably be considered one of the most advanced predators ever to exist.

I mean, besides some of the incredibly powerful theropods that existed during the Mesozoic, like Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus.
Yeah, but I'm going with the classic sense of werewolves, seeing how all the newer versions give werewolves all different types of characteristics that people don't agree on. When you're going in a broad sense, it's simplest to go with the version everyone knows, otherwise things can get real argumentative. Free will and freedom to transform on said will, make being a werewolf less of a curse and more of superpower, which isn't what the classic version is supposed to be.

[J.L.R.]

Actually werewolves of ACTUAL Mythology didn't need Full Moons and such as protrayed in most movies of the past. 99.9% of that was Hollywood jargon...but alas...

In the old days, you just need a wolf skin belt, a special save, and that old reliable pack with the devil and you were set. :beerchug:

Hey GB... what about a Were-Tyrannosaurus! :D... however sudden memories of Tammy and the T-Rex flood his mind... shudders in horror...

[UNODRAGONE]

a 'perfect' predator to me would mean they have no flaws or weaknesses, since they can be destroyed by silver or fire that means they are flawed/not perfect. Plus they can only heal themselves in wolf form, human scars remain. Still though, they are the most wicked out of all the mythological predators I am aware of :D

[Lycanthropoligist]

Okay, they are not perfect. But that doesn't mean that they aren't a tough predator. Besides, in a natural environment, isn't silver located undrground? Doesn't it have to be mined? Or is it located at the surface? Now that is a tough one. In a natural environment, not cities or towns.

[GhostBat]

In a natural environment, without humans to extract silver from metal ore deposits, werewolves would have little to fear.

Of course, werewolves are technically half human, so I guess they're their own worst enemy.

[Shaun]

I would say a werewolf in wolf form is the perfect predator then because humans are no were near perfection.

[MorganaFang]

I would say a werewolf in wolf form is the perfect predator then because humans are no were near perfection.

I don't know, so far human population is over six billion. That says a lot in terms of predatory prowess.

Human's have ingenuity, combine that with the ability to be an ultimate brute, who knows what could happen.

[Shaun]

I don't know, so far human population is over six billion. That says a lot in terms of predatory prowess.

Human's have ingenuity, combine that with the ability to be an ultimate brute, who knows what could happen.

True, but I blame our population numbers on people who multiple like rabbits.

[GhostBat]

True, but I blame our population numbers on people who multiple like rabbits.

Yeah, but...rabbits multiply like rabbits, and they haven't reached our numbers, due to the simple fact that they're not very predatory. In fact, they're rather "preyish".

I'm not sure how well werewolves would do in Africa, though. With the angry elephants, lion prides, and bone-crushing hyenas, I think they'd have some competition in terms of predatory prowess.

[Chriz]

I'm not sure how well werewolves would do in Africa, though. With the angry elephants, lion prides, and bone-crushing hyenas, I think they'd have some competition in terms of predatory prowess.

I guess it depends on how much mythological capability you'd want to assign a "real" werewolf. In many myths, they heal at ridiculous rates. So even crushing injuries are the equivalent of bruises and scratches.

But then, to sustain such healing, they'd have to take in so much food they'd eat the area clear.

[Lycanthropoligist]

Just for fun. Which is better? Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban? Blood And Chocolate? The Howling? Van Helsing (The more modern movie)? Etc.

[Klark]

Just for fun. Which is better? Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban? Blood And Chocolate? The Howling? Van Helsing (The more modern movie)? Etc.

The best I've seen is An American Werewolf in London. It's older, the special effects are older, but when he transforms, it's magical eye-candy.

[MorganaFang]

Maybe that was a question that could have been a new thread?

It's not really fitting the original topic, and is more movie based.

[DarkHunter]

As far as predatory prowess is concerned, I have to give it to vampires over werewolves. I like werewolves more, I won't deny that. I find them fascinating. But really a vampire can always blend in as a human being, albeit a nocturnal one (though I recall a scene from the novel Dracula in which Dracula is travelling in London by day).

Stealthy killers in a world of potentially hostile prey.

Werewolves don't work out as well. Big, easier to track. Loud. Insane aggression means they'll kill creating a trail one could follow. Not saying I would want to meet one in a dark alley, but they have exploitable flaws.

[Lycanthropoligist]

Yeeeaaaaah, no. Werewolves aren't always that beefed up. Just those that prefer braun. Also, vampires are deathly pale. Cold to the touch. And they avoid the sun for a particalur reason.

[WhiteHowlerGalliard]

Because they glitter? *snerk*

Vampires didn't avoid the sun until Hollywood came around. The original vampires and werewolves were actually very similar in nature. There is some speculation that those two creatures came from the same myth, and got personified as the ages have passed into what we know today.

There were ancient tales in (don't quote me on this but I want to say) Sumeria about a creature that could shapeshift into a wolf, but drank blood. There are other "vampire" oriented myths, from hags to your modern day bloodsuckers. Each comes with their own unique flaws, but only recently has fear of annihilation been a cause for avoiding the sun.

I think it was originally because of fear of things that go bump in the night that the Vampire was relegated to the nocturnal world to begin with.

Now, as for Werewolves, silver didn't enter into the mix until later on, as well. For both, it was usually a strong article of faith (doesn't matter which, apparently), and a way to beheading. Also, burning them when human was a good way to get rid of them.

IN conclusion, it's easiest to get rid of supernatural beings by beheading with a blessed/ enchanted sword and burning.

Now, as to which one's superior... neither/ can't be determined.

[Zombie]

The only thing more dagerous than a werewolf? A werewolf with a chainsaw... :D

-Z

[Lycanthropoligist]

I had a thought. Once a person is bitten, their DNA supposedly changes. Well, what if we figured out how to reverse engineer that and create a cure?

[J.L.R.]

If Lycanthropy was a virus, you wouldn't create a "cure" you would simply create an antibiotic.

[GhostBat]

If Lycanthropy was a virus, you wouldn't create a "cure" you would simply create an antibiotic.

Well actually, you'd create an antiviral. :p

[Lycanthropoligist]

I have a confession. I am not just interested in werewolves. I am completely obsessed about them. Once, I wanted to be one. Now I don't as much. I sometimes have dreams. One of them was when I was a wolf and was running through a snowy forest. I'm not crazy. I'm not mental. But, sometimes, i almost desire to feel the change.:confused:

[john the baptist]

I still say dragons kick werewolf butt.:D But werewolves are still awesome.

No worries,more than half the people on this site want to be a werewolf, most of them just don't think it's possible.

[CatBoxed]

Humans have always have that gut instinct, that "feeling". But werewolves are way more than that. Heightened senses and maybe extra ones. Unmeasurable strength and speed. And so much more. I am sure that werewolves aka lycans aka loup-garou (Blood and Chocolate) are almost adept to survive in any environment.

Do you have the proof to back this statement up?

Actually werewolves of ACTUAL Mythology didn't need Full Moons and such as protrayed in most movies of the past. 99.9% of that was Hollywood jargon...but alas...

Which ACTUAL myth is the one that is true?

If Lycanthropy was a virus, you wouldn't create a "cure" you would simply create an antibiotic.

Durr.

There are some movies/books that have changed this, and say that werewolves can shapeshift whenever they want. If that's the case, they'd probably be considered one of the most advanced predators ever to exist.

I mean, besides some of the incredibly powerful theropods that existed during the Mesozoic, like Allosaurus and Tyrannosaurus.

Those are also from myth. They couldn't have existed at the same time as humans after the world was created 6000 years ago.

I have a confession. I am not just interested in werewolves. I am completely obsessed about them. Once, I wanted to be one. Now I don't as much. I sometimes have dreams. One of them was when I was a wolf and was running through a snowy forest. I'm not crazy. I'm not mental. But, sometimes, i almost desire to feel the change.:confused:

Go to school, get a job, meet a friend, get married, have babies. That's all I can tell you.

I still say dragons kick werewolf butt.:D But werewolves are still awesome.

No worries,more than half the people on this site want to be a werewolf, most of them just don't think it's possible.

And you, I've saved for last. It's not possible. You and I both know it. Hell, the bacteria I scrape off my teeth every morning know it. There is no physical proof of being able to turn into a werewolf, making them the most INefficient predator evar.

Dragons suck.

[J.L.R.]

Which "myth" is the TRUE... myth... If it was true at all, it wouldn't be a myth...

[MetaKittie]

But werewolves are way more than that
Are?
Excuse eh what?
Werewolves don't exist.

[kathryn]

Werewolves are not the perfect predator because they aren't real. And if they were real, no one would doubt their existence, because the werewolves would be oh so perfect like in those teen romance novels that they would have so much trouble blending in, they would stand out, rise up against the humans, and overthrow the government.

We really can't be certain if werewolves are perfect predators anyway unless we look at the wolf. How deadly is a wolf? Then compare a wolf to other predators and see who is the champion. Is it lions? Tigers? Bears? Wolves? Or is it humans, the one who can not only kill all these animals but can also enslave them?

[DarkHunter]

I think we already established time and time again that werewolves don't exist, so reiterating that statement doesn't add anything to the conversation. If people thinking of werewolves in this sort of context bothers you, then go post somewhere else.

So just hypothetically, I believe a werewolf would be a better predator than, say, a human being, Kathryn. You can't judge it alone on the merits of wolves because that would be a different debate. Werewolves would have the added advantage of spending some of their time as human beings. That being said, they'd have all the advantages regular humans have (such as that animal killing and enslaving intellect) along with the predatory prowess the wolf form would give them.



Those are also from myth. They couldn't have existed at the same time as humans after the world was created 6000 years ago.


That is quite excellent. I would have expected typos due to the giggling fit that typing anything that ridiculous would have caused. Good form.

[HappyWolf]

I would have to say that any magical predator (like vampires or werewolves) are definitely superior to any other predator in nature, including dinosaurs or humans.

[Chiron Jackal]

I would have to say that any magical predator (like vampires or werewolves) are definitely superior to any other predator in nature, including dinosaurs or humans.

May I ask why? Nothing about magic in either myth or reality (if you happen to believe in such) necessitates any sort of superiority to more natural critters.

After all, a magically shifting werewolf could shift from a completely normal man to a completely normal wolf.

[Flatline]

werewolves arent perfect predators. they would need to be indestructable and able to make a kill at every hunt. and unless theyre hunting mankind a kill every hunt would be impossible. even hunting mankind would sometimes have its dangers. humans might carry guns

[Chiron Jackal]

May not be absolutely perfect, but depending on what design/legend you go with a werewolf would arguable be the closest to perfect.

Strength and speed, good natural weapons, keen senses, sharp animal instinct with a sharp human mind, and the ability to manipulate objects with hands.

Short of being able to telepathically locate and kill things I can't see what else would make it better.

[Vendetta]

Short of being able to telepathically locate and kill things I can't see what else would make it better.
They could fly. Also, maybe shoot kill-o-death lasers from their eyes or something.

[Wolfsangel]

The full-moon changing werewolf is only a fairly recent innovation - I think it came about during the 19th century in penny dreadful novels and was taken up by Hollywood.
Traditional werewolves often transform magically - whether by choice or by curse.
I think to be a perfect predator you'd have to avoid drawing attention to yourself. Leaving victims spread across an area the size of a tennis court would tend to arouse the interest of the police, I would think.

[wolf shadow storm]

Just for fun. Which is better? Harry Potter and The Prisoner of Azkaban? Blood And Chocolate? The Howling? Van Helsing (The more modern movie)? Etc.


Van helsing Is the best

[Lycanthropoligist]

Okay, through all werewolf related stories (myth or hollywood, don't care), I have vome to the conclusion that there are THREE types of werewolves.

[GhostBat]

Okay, through all werewolf related stories (myth or hollywood, don't care), I have vome to the conclusion that there are THREE types of werewolves.

Care to enlighten us?

[Lycanthropoligist]

Through all the stories I have heard or read, not all werewolves are the same. Or at least their wolfen form. One type would be a form that has more characteristics of a wolf. Walks on all fours, 'bout the same size, and a similar shape. The second one would be your classic "wolfman", or a Beta has I heard. This one would be more human like. Fur grows throughout the entire body, the mouth and nose area would become slightly angular, and would walk on two legs just like any human (almost forgot, no tail). The last one is referred as an "Alpha". Personally, this one seems more like a warrior to me. The head would become that of a wolf, the body would become hunched over, the arms and legs would change so that it is able to easily walk on two's or four's. And the tail would grow. This form would truely be a mix of man and wolf. And possibly the most dangerous.

[Raid]

The full-moon changing werewolf is only a fairly recent innovation - I think it came about during the 19th century in penny dreadful novels and was taken up by Hollywood.
Traditional werewolves often transform magically - whether by choice or by curse.
I think to be a perfect predator you'd have to avoid drawing attention to yourself. Leaving victims spread across an area the size of a tennis court would tend to arouse the interest of the police, I would think.

I think you're confusing "predator" with "criminal". Predators have no need to clean up their mess, because there are plenty of scavengers to do it for them.
Sure, in this age it's a severe liability to leave a trail of carnage in your wake. But magic (and nature) don't put human society into consideration, so like other natural predators the Werewolf would have no survival mechanisms to cope with law enforcement.

It's important to realise that the concept of a perfect predator is flawed, because every predator has adapted to their environment. I, personally, can't think of a single predator that would thrive in every environment (be it a natural environment or a human settlement). They all have their short-comings, even the supernatural.

[Chiron Jackal]

One type would be a form that has more characteristics of a wolf. Walks on all fours, 'bout the same size, and a similar shape.
Protip: many myths about werewolves have the wolf form being larger than the average size.

The second one would be your classic "wolfman", or a Beta has I heard. This one would be more human like. Fur grows throughout the entire body, the mouth and nose area would become slightly angular, and would walk on two legs just like any human (almost forgot, no tail).
Those aren't at all common in myth - just movies.

Also, please cite a source on calling them "Beta."

The last one is referred as an "Alpha".
By who?

Personally, this one seems more like a warrior to me.
Why?

The head would become that of a wolf, the body would become hunched over, the arms and legs would change so that it is able to easily walk on two's or four's. And the tail would grow.
Hunching = Bad.

PS, we had to evolve away from tails so that we could stand upright.

More tail = Inability to stand, much less "easily walk" on two legs.

This form would truely be a mix of man and wolf. And possibly the most dangerous.
Nothing says "dangerous" like a malproportioned hunchback with limited use of it's legs.

[Noctifer]

In many ways I can agree with this, the idea of the werewolf, in the most "preferred" form by most people in fact does make the perfect predator. Think about how regular wolves act as a pack, also think of how man, in the wild, would have acted during survival situations. Now combine the ability to have "hands" with every single bit of strength and survival all in one.

A werewolf would have the advantage of being bi-pedal and probably would be capable of standing on all fours as well during certain situations and still remain efficient. Where man alone would lack perfect group tactics, the werewolf would retain the instinct of feral wolves and not only be organized within their structure but they would be able to kill just about anything they came across.

A bipedal wolf is practically suitable for any living condition, in severe heat it would only require the digging of a den and in winter quite obviously they would have a strong pelt of fur plus a fair amount of muscle from the exercise done in their "hominid" stance.

The idea that a change was triggered by a virus or the moon would not necessarily be an issue considering both of those ideas are based on "forced" transformation. Also I find the idea of the werewolf being a perfect predator as the "bipedal" form and not simply a person becoming a wolf; the main reason being that a person turning into a feral wolf would lack many advantages the biped would; and they would only be a bit more intelligent but other than that they would have the same traits as a regular wolf.

As for transformation, people can speculate on how a "willed" change could occur there is still room open for wolves to eventually begin evolving until they are essentially what we classify as werewolves now.

Those are just my thoughts on the matter anyway.

[jckrussll89]

I don't really subscribe to the werewolf myth, though they are personally my favorite folkloric bad ass (the rakshasa running a close second). The werewolf of tradition was just a dude who turned into a wolf, albeit a strangely shaped or overly large animal. Silver is actually a deterrent for vampires that became part of the werewolf legend after years of telephone game blended the myths.

Now, as for werewolves being the perfect predators, maybe not. That title, in my opinion, goes to the wendigo, but I digress. The werewolf is still a scary SOB even as a concept. Let's say that creatures of myth exist. The werewolf is in possession of human level intellegence and a wolf's natural instincts. Wolves, though not as smart as a human being, use tactical strikes to take down their prey, though the success rate isn't as high as one would think. Be that as it may, imagine a wolf that has the rationality of a human being and you have a very dangerous mutt on your hands.

[Sian Black Peril]

I found a useful site if you all care to take a look tells you a lot about werewolves.

http://www.mythicalrealm.com/legends/werewolf.html

[Lycanthropoligist]

Finally, (I have been gone for a while) somebody sees my point. I see them from a scientific point of view. I read them in mythology, but I think them scientifically. May sound stupid, but what the hey, its how I live.

[Ember_Rain]

I see how a werewolf could be an exeptional predator,just like every other it would be adapted to hunt it's prey. It would be as intellagent as a human, but also it would listen to the instincts humans have ignored or suppressed over the last sevral generations. Humans have become a fan of logic, therefore making them less sufficient on their own, even though they have unchallenged intelligence. Werewolves are well adapted for hunting because of their skill in coregraphing an attack, and being smart enough to trick, or confuse their prey. They wouldn't need unmeaserable strength, or speed, if they had the body and instincts of a wolf, and the intelligence of a human, they would be unstopable to thier prey.

[CatBoxed]

Finally, (I have been gone for a while) somebody sees my point. I see them from a scientific point of view. I read them in mythology, but I think them scientifically. May sound stupid, but what the hey, its how I live.

So, in order to think about them scientifically, you perform several steps. First and foremost, you digest all the information you have and then form a hypothesis, in this case whether or not they're the perfect predator.

The next step involves collecting experimental data as to whether they are, or are not, the perfect predator. Do you have these results? It will have to be both statistically and scientifically valid, in terms of reproducibility. Can we as a general population observe the predatory habits of werewolves as you have done? If you're not able to produce the required data, the community at large will mostly shake their heads, as peer review is a large part of the scientific process, seeing as how a great many scientists understand the same topics.

Finally, in your discussion and conclusion of the aforementioned results, are you able to convince the general reader that what you have indeed observed is confluent with your hypothesis?

If you live your life this way, kudos to you.

I, personally, think that you're full of shit. Please do follow up.

[Sian Black Peril]

Me I just think it'd be cool to actually be one... :P

[deathwolf]

i agree with that and they do have a amazing adapttaion to many enviroments. same as for hunting instincts. there more than able to think a step ahead when it comes to hunting and protecting. im new to the sight but not werewolfs

[Ember_Rain]

So, in order to think about them scientifically, you perform several steps. First and foremost, you digest all the information you have and then form a hypothesis, in this case whether or not they're the perfect predator.

The next step involves collecting experimental data as to whether they are, or are not, the perfect predator. Do you have these results? It will have to be both statistically and scientifically valid, in terms of reproducibility. Can we as a general population observe the predatory habits of werewolves as you have done? If you're not able to produce the required data, the community at large will mostly shake their heads, as peer review is a large part of the scientific process, seeing as how a great many scientists understand the same topics.

Finally, in your discussion and conclusion of the aforementioned results, are you able to convince the general reader that what you have indeed observed is confluent with your hypothesis?

If you live your life this way, kudos to you.

I, personally, think that you're full of shit. Please do follow up.

Dude, how can you preform tests on mythical creatures? MythOLOGY is a science, even though it doesn't include the scientific theory, it's merely putting the pieces of wide-spread myths and legends together to see if any consistencies occur. And seriously? why so " I'm so smart and you full of shit" ? it was just this guy's opinion, no need to put him down like some kind of jerk.

[Sian Black Peril]

I agree, seriously you think he's full of shit take a second look at what you wrote mate....

It is a discussion board after all we're all entitled to our own oppinion :mad:

[CatBoxed]

Dude, how can you preform tests on mythical creatures? MythOLOGY is a science, even though it doesn't include the scientific theory, it's merely putting the pieces of wide-spread myths and legends together to see if any consistencies occur.

I don't believe that you read the exchange properly. This is what I was responding to....

Finally, (I have been gone for a while) somebody sees my point. I see them from a scientific point of view. I read them in mythology, but I think them scientifically. May sound stupid, but what the hey, its how I live.

I simply put forth the requirements for a scientific test of the poster's statements. Obviously they haven't been followed up with, so the statement that the suppositions made previously are scientific aren't valid yet given the fairly concrete steps I put forward.

Mythology is not a science. Ask any of the liberal arts majors how far Mythology as a class got them in terms of potato frying capabilities.

And seriously? why so " I'm so smart and you full of shit" ? it was just this guy's opinion, no need to put him down like some kind of jerk.

Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will.

I simply encourage free thought within the constraints of the physical world. If it puts your underwear in a bundle, so be it. Cause if the world were based on opinions, we'd all have your sand up our vaginas.

I am smart, by the way. I has lots of the not dumbs. This gives me the smarts? I'll have a yes.

I agree, seriously you think he's full of shit take a second look at what you wrote mate....

You explain to me what is wrong with what I wrote. Line by line. I'll even put it to an adjudicated panel, assuming there's enough maturity to do it.

It is a discussion board after all we're all entitled to our own oppinion :mad:

Indeed. Am I so wrong to point out the difference between opinion and definition of science? Especially when there's an obvious clerical error between mind and fingers as was typed in the post I cited?

[Carol]

I don't know, so far human population is over six billion. That says a lot in terms of predatory prowess.

Human's have ingenuity, combine that with the ability to be an ultimate brute, who knows what could happen.

but, none know the werewolf population because it is hidden and mysterious. Unless you are one of the pack or species you may be living next door to one and never know it.

[fenrison]

I would say a werewolf in wolf form is the perfect predator then because humans are no were near perfection.

awesome avatar budy, rare to c these days,

[Kumutamos]

Humans have always have that gut instinct, that "feeling". But werewolves are way more than that. Heightened senses and maybe extra ones. Unmeasurable strength and speed. And so much more. I am sure that werewolves aka lycans aka loup-garou (Blood and Chocolate) are almost adept to survive in any environment.

eh we are pretty cool like that ;) we to have heightened senses and energy abilities

[DarkWolf]

eh we are pretty cool like that ;) we to have heightened senses and energy abilities
Prove it.

[Fenris_brood]

eh we are pretty cool like that ;) we to have heightened senses and energy abilities

If this involves lactating gatorade, I am not interested.

[demonic_monkey]

eh we are pretty cool like that ;) we to have heightened senses and energy abilities

I highly doubt this. Otherwise, you wouldn't be claiming to be a werewolf for attention. Me, I actually am cool. :cool:

[LV426]

I definitely have the heightened ability, to smell BULLSHIT!

As the resident lycanthrope on this site I hereby declare you a fake and bear false witness against you.

[J.L.R.]

LV... I thought you used hellhounds to sniff these yokles out... I'm pretty sure you could use a few more werewolves for your lab experiements... Mmmm... The good old days.

[FMtRIS]

Ngh, I just want to weigh in on this one even if its a bit late but I think someone CAN extrapolate something from mythology as related to science. For instance, quantum science. Physicist Brian Greene will tell you that, while quantum states are mathematically plausible, alot of them are not observable within our "known" universe and following our natural laws. This sort of thing has happened many times during the course of learning what the stuff of the universe and time are made of. Let me add something pertaining to this topic as an example but I will feel silly doing it. Transformation of a werewolf would seem to defy the laws of thermodynamics. It is taking something greater than its caloric content, burning it, and adding mass through muscle and fur growth. In other words, its getting something from, relatively speaking, nothing. However, I can posit that if it is an extra dimensional being that it could use the energy from multiple dimensions to fudge the energy required to shift. As the werewolf legend is continually evolving, I might add that the description from David Wellington's series would seem to describe this sort of being.
Also, it makes my brain hurt to hear someone extoll the virtues of science and then say that the Earth is six thousand years old! For that to be possible, one would have to dismiss radiological dating such as rubidium-strontium dating and other associated "deep time" dating methods, and stratigraphic layering, to name just two methods of chronological dating used to bracket a sample. I want to belatedly thank Dark Hunter for saying something earlier, MUCH EARLIER, but maybe the "Thank You" button doesn't work for old posts.
Being as that this is a mythological section, I won't go too deep into "reality" here but it is fun to play with possibilities. Its why "science" is put into "science-fiction."

[Fenris_brood]

Ngh, I just want to weigh in on this one even if its a bit late but I think someone CAN extrapolate something from mythology as related to science. For instance, quantum science. Physicist Brian Greene will tell you that, while quantum states are mathematically plausible, alot of them are not observable within our "known" universe and following our natural laws. This sort of thing has happened many times during the course of learning what the stuff of the universe and time are made of. Let me add something pertaining to this topic as an example but I will feel silly doing it. Transformation of a werewolf would seem to defy the laws of thermodynamics. It is taking something greater than its caloric content, burning it, and adding mass through muscle and fur growth. In other words, its getting something from, relatively speaking, nothing. However, I can posit that if it is an extra dimensional being that it could use the energy from multiple dimensions to fudge the energy required to shift. As the werewolf legend is continually evolving, I might add that the description from David Wellington's series would seem to describe this sort of being.
Also, it makes my brain hurt to hear someone extoll the virtues of science and then say that the Earth is six thousand years old! For that to be possible, one would have to dismiss radiological dating such as rubidium-strontium dating and other associated "deep time" dating methods, and stratigraphic layering, to name just two methods of chronological dating used to bracket a sample. I want to belatedly thank Dark Hunter for saying something earlier, MUCH EARLIER, but maybe the "Thank You" button doesn't work for old posts.
Being as that this is a mythological section, I won't go too deep into "reality" here but it is fun to play with possibilities. Its why "science" is put into "science-fiction."

Don't mind BoxedCat, he's the resident lovable troll, the resident troll that I miss oh-so-much. How many time has he been banhammered and backed up? I've lost count.
Anyways, I actually rummaged through the threads here in this section, because the multi-dimensional theory of a werewolf has actually already been mentioned by another, less cultured about the subject member, I think I made all my points there, but I couldn't find it, not even looking through my post history. Disregarding that, you completely have full right on your points, I would just like to underline that although some quantum physics remains mostly theoretical, there are evidences and models that support them and tests are being done to prove them, which is the diverging point between a scientifical correct possibility and a mistaken one, like you said, this happens all the times with physics and other sciences, and sometimes they're refuted and other times they are accepted, but that's also where the barrier of factual science and speculative science is erected. I actually like speculative science more than factual science, although we need more factual science than the other, but the true moldability and possibility's in speculation and theorisizing. That being said completely off-topic, I can't deny that if a being was aware and able to control its multidimensional self, in most dimensional models that I'm aware of that being could appear to transform against three dimensional physical laws, I wouldn't exactly sustain that it had to even be an exchange of energy exactly, but even that's a thought, a simple justaposition of movement of a higher dimensional being would make it change in three dimensional space. Other than this, manipulating science into science fiction and trying to explain a being like this is so much fun I'm considering making a thread for people to try to come up with their own ways of explaining a werewolf, I wouldn't even eliminate the possibility of a thermodinamically correct change just in three dimensional reality, considering that to the molecular structure maybe a werewolf can be smaller or physically lighter than its human form, or even the occurrence of an elongated metamorphosis. As a science fiction lover myself, I recall two occurrences of creatures that fit perfectly into the werewolf you're trying to describe, one being the pandimensional superbeing in Hitchickers Guide to the Galaxy that appears as common mice on Earth and several referrals of Lovecraftian higher horrors, Nyarlathotep for example, that has various incarnations that are said to merely be the probes of the being into the human dimension.

[LV426]

LV... I thought you used hellhounds to sniff these yokles out... I'm pretty sure you could use a few more werewolves for your lab experiements... Mmmm... The good old days.

It's not really fair to hunt the unarmed. These two couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Besides I think they are more mongrel than wolf.

[wolf]

It's not really fair to hunt the unarmed. These two couldn't fight their way out of a paper bag. Besides I think they are more mongrel than wolf.

i agree

[Vendetta]

OK, I think it's pretty obvious this guy is a troll. Can we stop feeding him (her/wtf) now?

[wolf]

OK, I think it's pretty obvious this guy is a troll. Can we stop feeding him (her/wtf) now?

but what if i like feeding trolls? :D