Star Trek the movie

[Chiron Jackal]

Anyone else seen the new Star Trek movie?

Disappointed by how it ties in to the rest of the Trek universe, pleased by how true to nature the characters are, and kind of scared by how apt a Trekkie-given nick-name is; Trek Wars.

Opinions, good people of WW.com?

[MorganaFang]

I have mix feelings on it for sure. I think a lot of the characterizations saved it. (man that seems to be a theme this summer with movies)

It was entertaining though even if it felt like one really long episode.

[Revan]

:whee:I liked it. I thought it had a good story line.
I musts ay I never watched the original star trek series. I much preferred the ones with Patrick Stewart and even then I like Star wars better.

But it is definately one of the best movies I have seen. The effects were mind blown and I really liked the character. The plot was good aswell, it kept me guessing.

[Chiron Jackal]

:whee:I liked it. I thought it had a good story line.
I musts ay I never watched the original star trek series. I much preferred the ones with Patrick Stewart and even then I like Star wars better.

Every time someone says something like this I get hugely mixed feelings. Star Trek is gaining popularity - this is good. Star Trek seems to be becoming less Trek-ish and more generic Sci-fi action / Star Wars-ish - this seems kinda bad.

[Chriz]

I have mix feelings on it for sure. I think a lot of the characterizations saved it.

I agree. If they had gotten the characters wrong I would have walked out hating the whole thing. As it was, once I got over the thrill of seeing them capture the characters so well (mainly Spock), my enthusiasm started to wilt as I realized the story itself was fairly lame.

I credit Abrams and Quinto, for the most part, rather than the writers.

It was entertaining though even if it felt like one really long episode.

Many Trek movies suffer from that problem. That was often because that's exactly what they were -- episode ideas in the bin that were taken out and polished up. I'm thinking the original Motion Picture and pretty much all the TNG movies fall into this category (First Contact edged close to cinematic, though).

[Wolf-Bone]

Lol red matter wtf

[Chiron Jackal]

Lol red matter wtf
Yeah, I was not too impressed with the concept of red matter, though I thought it looked damn cool.

Red Matter info from Memory Alpha:

According to the Star Trek: Countdown prequel comic book, which details the events leading up to the destruction of Romulus, red matter was an artificial substance created by the Vulcan Science Academy. It was manufactured from decalithium, a rare isotope which the Narada was equipped to mine.


It would have been nice if they could have mentioned that in the movie at some point rather than being like, "Hey, this thing you've never heard of before exists for no known reason and does stuff."

[Chriz]

Why is red matter any goofier than a hundred other off-the-cuff things they've done?

Not that those other things aren't goofy, too...

[Chiron Jackal]

Why is red matter any goofier than a hundred other off-the-cuff things they've done?

Not that those other things aren't goofy, too...

My issue isn't that it's goofy, it's that it was unexplained. Not that Star Trek explains everything it uses, but this movie seemed to explain nothing which occurred. It all just sort of happened.

[Wolf-Bone]

It was All There In The Manual. Turns out Nero's ship is also as powerful as it is because they stole Borg technology. We were supposed to have bought a comic book or something before the movie came out so we would know this. TVtropes rulz.

[Chiron Jackal]

Turns out Nero's ship is also as powerful as it is because they stole Borg technology.
Am I a huge dork for being able to tell that his ship contained borg technology just based on how it looks?

[Wolf-Bone]

Am I a huge dork for being able to tell that his ship contained borg technology just based on how it looks?

I'd had similar thoughts. Y'know, if they really want to take Star Trek into "space opera" territory and give Trekkies something to nerdgasm over, they need to have a story arch spanning several movies where the federation and a coalition of non-federation allies team up against the Borg. They seem to be involved, directly or indirectly in just about every major time-based/planet-destroying plot device in the first place, so they've kinda been built up as a Trek-equivalent of the Sith as it is.

[Chiron Jackal]

I'd had similar thoughts. Y'know, if they really want to take Star Trek into "space opera" territory and give Trekkies something to nerdgasm over, they need to have a story arch spanning several movies where the federation and a coalition of non-federation allies team up against the Borg.

Do you know how many trekkies would would shit a brick over the implication of the borg? The borg didn't appear as an enemy force until somewhere in Picard's chunk of the timeline. Trekkies are pissed about how divergent the timeline of the movie is already, compounding that with untimely borg implication isn't going to help that.

Besides, the Borg already had a movie (First Contact) and they were really run into the ground on Voyager with 22 episodes (almost a whole season's worth) which included a separate borg society, saving and humanizing a drone, joining forces with them, a 29th century borg, exploration into the borg psyche, borg children, and the destruction of the collective.

Voyager really robbed them of their Badasses Of The Universe status.

[Wolf-Bone]

Do you know how many trekkies would would shit a brick over the implication of the borg? The borg didn't appear as an enemy force until somewhere in Picard's chunk of the timeline. Trekkies are pissed about how divergent the timeline of the movie is already, compounding that with untimely borg implication isn't going to help that.

Besides, the Borg already had a movie (First Contact) and they were really run into the ground on Voyager with 22 episodes (almost a whole season's worth) which included a separate borg society, saving and humanizing a drone, joining forces with them, a 29th century borg, exploration into the borg psyche, borg children, and the destruction of the collective.

Voyager really robbed them of their Badasses Of The Universe status.

Which is precisely why they would send themselves back in time to war with the federation before it has the capability of making them look like intergalactic pussies. And that pretty much would be the motivation, since they would have emotions now. Well, their "queens" always seem to, at least.

[Chiron Jackal]

Which is precisely why they would send themselves back in time to war with the federation before it has the capability of making them look like intergalactic pussies. And that pretty much would be the motivation, since they would have emotions now. Well, their "queens" always seem to, at least.

They're still amazingly over-done. They're right up there with a redshit dying.

Besides, borg with emotion has been done too. Lore made a group of borg with emotions towards the end of Next Generation.

FUCK I feel like a massive geek.

[Chriz]

One boat I think they missed with this new Trek movie is that they should have radically scaled down the Federation. They don't really explain how big it is, but with all these massive (and each one seemingly different) ships, and the giant space station, I got the impression that the Federation is hardly resource-hungry. It works against them ever being the underdog, which works against sympathy.

I think it would have been more interesting if they portrayed the Federation as consisting of, literally, four or five worlds, and a "large fleet" being something like six capital ships, each one precious.

I dunno, maybe that's the angle they were going for with Pike talking about how Starfleet needs men like Kirk, but then that's hard to reconcile with the Kelvin -- a survey vessel -- having 800 people on board, and the Enterprise being larger than the 1701-D.

[Wolf-Bone]

One boat I think they missed with this new Trek movie is that they should have radically scaled down the Federation. They don't really explain how big it is, but with all these massive (and each one seemingly different) ships, and the giant space station, I got the impression that the Federation is hardly resource-hungry. It works against them ever being the underdog, which works against sympathy.

I think it would have been more interesting if they portrayed the Federation as consisting of, literally, four or five worlds, and a "large fleet" being something like six capital ships, each one precious.

I dunno, maybe that's the angle they were going for with Pike talking about how Starfleet needs men like Kirk, but then that's hard to reconcile with the Kelvin -- a survey vessel -- having 800 people on board, and the Enterprise being larger than the 1701-D.

I kinda agree, though I gave up a long time ago my hopes of seeing something as ambitious as tackling the period where human space travel transitions between NASA (or a world-wide equivalent) and the early federation. But maybe that's less a case of a boat being missed than said boat never having a workable set of blueprints in the first place.

[Chiron Jackal]

the Enterprise being larger than the 1701-D.
Actually Kirk's Enterprises are each about the length of the saucer section on the 1701-D. If it didn't have such a long neck holding the saucer and the nacelles away from the body of the ship it would just about fit inside the D's saucer section.

As for the Federation being so small, while that is more suspenseful it doesn't really work with Roddenberry's idea. His vision is that we'd be prospering in the future and would regularly make peace with those we meet in the galaxy.

[Chriz]

Actually Kirk's Enterprises are each about the length of the saucer section on the 1701-D.

According to the FX guys (http://www.studiodaily.com/filmandvideo/currentissue/Reinventing-Star-Treks-VFX_10905.html), it's at least 2000 feet long.

Although it stayed true to form, the Enterprise grew from 1300 feet to 2000 feet in length for this film. Its “neck” is thinner and more graceful, and it has more visible moving parts.

And...

For Holcomb, the scale of the work was most challenging. “The Narada was six miles long and the Enterprise is 2000 feet. When they fly into camera, we always had to do something to make them look that big in CG.”

The original Enterprise was more like 995 feet, not 1300, but what's 400 feet here and there?

Gizmodo claims to have inside information (http://gizmodo.com/5253324/how-big-is-the-new-enterprise-compared-to-galactica) that gives us a length of 725.35 meters (about 2300 feet). This has been backed up by Roberto Orci on trekmovie.com. It's also supported by someone named DiSiLLUSiON at Trek BBS (http://trekbbs.com/showpost.php?p=2959468&postcount=202).

Even Bernd Schneider (http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/articles/new_enterprise_comment.htm#size) -- who really wants it to be in the 1000-foot range -- has conceded, although not without a fight.

[Chiron Jackal]

Although it stayed true to form, the Enterprise grew from 1300 feet to 2000 feet in length for this film. Its “neck” is thinner and more graceful, and it has more visible moving parts.
Of all the changes I was aware of, it sprouting 600 feet of length wasn't one of them.

I find this change unnecessary and therefore somewhat annoying.

I do, however, love you dearly for bringing this to my attention.

[Chriz]

I find this change unnecessary and therefore somewhat annoying.

I don't mind so much that it's huge. It just looks very clearly to me that they originally designed it to be about the same size as the original and then later just scaled it up.

[J.L.R.]

I recently saw the movie and I LOVED it. I was never a huge Star Trek fan. I only remember bits and pieces of the series, of which was already long in into syndicate by the time I was born. Most of what I came to know about Star Trek was the 80's movies, with the Voyage Home, being my fav (I was five or six at the time!). Now that I am already, Wrath of Kahn is by far the best.

Spock is my fav character... :beerchug:

The funny thing is, when I watched the movie, there were some older guys in front of me who cried through out the whole movie.

Did Star Trek being tears to any of Trekkie eyes? :P

[GhostBat]

The funny thing is, when I watched the movie, there were some older guys in front of me who cried through out the whole movie.

Did Star Trek being tears to any of Trekkie eyes? :P

The whole movie?

I definitely got watery at the beginning, but it was meant to be sad. Other than that, there weren't any waterworks.

I'm also not a Trekkie.

[Chriz]

I most definitely did not cry during the opening part. <_<

[Chiron Jackal]

Did Star Trek being tears to any of Trekkie eyes? :P

Got teary for opening.

Cried like an absolute baby when Spock said, "I have been, and always shall be, your friend."

I saw it twice, and I actually cried more the second time than the first. My dad wants to see it with me on Monday and since I last did something with him in December I can't really say no. I'm afraid my last two viewings have indicated a trend though, so I might end up looking like a total pussy with my dad. I'll tell you how that goes...

On a lighter note, who here agrees with the sentiment of this avatar:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/ThrasherCub/Avatars/russiaspikachu.png

Edit:
I was never a huge Star Trek fan. I only remember bits and pieces of the series, of which was already long in into syndicate by the time I was born. Most of what I came to know about Star Trek was the 80's movies, with the Voyage Home, being my fav (I was five or six at the time!).
I was only 6 months old when that movie came out - syndication and young age are no excuse!

[J.L.R.]

Like GB, I was never really a fan of Star Trek, but then again, I also didn't watch the other series such as Next Generation, Voyager, and so on and so forth. It isn't that I don't like Sci-fi stuff, I just never got into the whole Star Trek thing. The one thing I am a huge fan of, when it does come to Star Trek, is the music. The late Jerry Goldsmith did some amazing stuff. I also went right out and purchased the new Star Trek score as well. VERY good.

As for crying... I didn't cry at all in Star Trek. I sort of saw George Kirk dying a mile away, but there were quite a few people who were sobbing, obviously through that part... Then the same people sobbed when they saw the Enterprise the first time (being worked on) and REALLY cried when they saw it in action. Then they cried when Spock's mother died, when they saw Lenard Nemoy... and so on and so forth. I LOVED the movie, but I have no emotional attachment to it.

The only movie that made me teary eyed of late was, Marley and Me, but sense I also have 3 labs, it sort of hit home. :D

[MorganaFang]

I was pretty much raised watch all the Star Treks. Next Generation is my favorite but I still watched the original Trek too.

This new movie didn't have me crying. I was too on my toes looking for allusions to the old series.

[Chriz]

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For some Trek effects geeking out. I still like the TMP warps the best (those are the first three), although the initial Wrath of Khan one is cool.

And there's something viscerally awesome about the Generations warp (the first TNG one in the sequence).

[J.L.R.]

Kj178APgdno

For some Trek effects geeking out. I still like the TMP warps the best (those are the first three), although the initial Wrath of Khan one is cool.

And there's something viscerally awesome about the Generations warp (the first TNG one in the sequence).

Oh now that is raw Geekage! :notworthy:

[Chriz]

Star Trek if it had been a 1970s series:

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Star Trek if it had been a 1980s series:

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[Chiron Jackal]

I sort of saw George Kirk dying a mile away, but there were quite a few people who were sobbing, obviously through that part...
George Kirk dying wasn't at all shocking, no. But shock is not needed for something to be moving.

Then the same people sobbed when they saw the Enterprise the first time (being worked on) and REALLY cried when they saw it in action. Then they cried when Spock's mother died, when they saw Lenard Nemoy... and so on and so forth.
Hey, it's kind of like meeting old friends you haven't seen in a long time.

I was too on my toes looking for allusions to the old series.
Favorite?

Mine was "A little suffering is good for the soul."