World of Warcraft: the Thread

[McKitty]

It's a gaming forum, it needs to be up here.

Who are you on WoW?
What raids have you done?
What hard modes have you done?
Do you like the new arenas?

And I'll start it off.

I've been on WoW since Jan '06, since around the 1.9 patch. I've been a hunter my entire time, first alliance elf, now a belf. I play on the Cenarion Circle realm (if you want to know who I play, PM me.)

I've seen up to the Keepers in Ulduar on both regular and heroic mode. No real hard modes of note completed, except that we can do Flame Leviathan with one tower up now.

I'm not going to touch commenting on the arenas as I think it's breaking down the game more than battlegrounds/world PvP ever did.

[Draconic]

I've been a feral druid since people first started downing Ragnaros so those of you that have been playing since the earlier days know how much of a masochist I must be. I currently play on the realm Alleria for Alliance and my Horde sit stagnating on Demon Soul. Yes, I have a Horde druid too as well as a Death Knight and Shaman

[Wolfx]

Tauren Warrior, and a very spanking tank (don't ask me what that means because I don't know) on Mannoroth.

Our guild has been up to Vezax on 10man, and we haven't really been anywhere but Auyira in 25man because of attendance issues. We would've downed Vezax too, if it weren't for the fact that we had one hour until raid-resets. We did two-tower Flame Leviathan and we're currently trying three-tower.

Never set foot in an Arena to be honest.

[Shining Wolf]

Used to have a 57(50 something) human mage on the Underbog server, but I stopped paying for membership and now I use the super evil 'private servers'. <3:whee:

[Raiden]

I was actually just talking about this earlier with friends. I was cleaning up my room and I ran across a copy of World of Warcraft Battle Chest that I never opened. I think the idea of having to subscribe to play turned me off to it.

I'm still not sure if I want to ever install it...

Shane

[Ryn Dejuren]

I play an 80 Human Rogue, Naxx 25 completed, Half of Ulduar on 25 man and all on 10 man(via a friends toon) I've played every class save shaman, cant get into it. I used to play a draenei mage, BE mage, Undead mage/rogue/lock I've done every raid in the game atleast once.

Currently debating a server xfer...My main focus is alliance, I cxant stand horde chat..it annoys me. Misanthropy is the toon.

[Wolfx]

We (my guild) just downed Hard Mode Hodir on 10man with one second to spare. Now that's an adrenaline rush right there. Previously we downed Hard Mode XT-002 Deconstructor and Hard Mode Iron Council. Both are really fun fights and add a whole new aspect to raiding.

We attempted Hard Mode Freya but we didn't have the right raid composition. It's a raid healing-intensive fight and we had no druid...so that ended badly. We just resolved with one elder up for now, and we're going to try again with three next week along with Hard Mode Thorim. Hopefully in the next month we'll make it to Algalon which will be AWESOME.

[Ryn Dejuren]

Well Gratz to ya mate, those are some fun fights, What guli dare you in WolfX I've currently switched serves and focus, I've gotten really into pvping , I'm good at it, and its massively enjoyable.

Combat maces, gemmed for AP/ARP(Armor Pen) is phenomenal for ripping apart plate wearers and clothys alike. I can tear through a DKs or Warriors armor in a few seconds with killing spree.

[Chriz]

I played in the stress-test beta in 2005, didn't like it, went back to CoH.

About six months later I got back into it. I ran around for a long time as a Dwarf Warrior (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mug%27thol&n=Sephomegrim) before I finally decided I didn't like the gameplay style of Warriors. I tried a NE Rogue (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mug%27thol&n=Eeziemode) and played off and on for a year, getting her to 60 and starting to acquire some PvP gear. Then I got bored again and gave my account to my brother, who used a leveling service and promptly got the account banned.

So I came back when Burning Crusade came out with a new account with a Dwarf Rogue (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mug%27thol&n=Critstorm). Played him through that and through WotLK (which was way better than BC). He's now retired, but I might come back to him when/if another expansion is released.

Alts include a Death Knight (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nordrassil&n=Lichpin), Druid (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mug%27thol&n=Swíftshíft), and Hunter (http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Nordrassil&n=Assaultrifle).

I haven't done much raiding, just some Black Mountain stuff. I played more to level characters and do battlegrounds. Not a huge arena fan, either.

[Wolfx]

Well Gratz to ya mate, those are some fun fights, What guli dare you in WolfX I've currently switched serves and focus, I've gotten really into pvping , I'm good at it, and its massively enjoyable.

Combat maces, gemmed for AP/ARP(Armor Pen) is phenomenal for ripping apart plate wearers and clothys alike. I can tear through a DKs or Warriors armor in a few seconds with killing spree.

I'm in Easy Mode. We focus mainly on 25man Ulduar and 10man hardmodes. And we are very close to getting are 310% Rusted Proto Drakes (which I cant freakin wait for).

http://www.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Mannoroth&n=Lastwolf

[Raid]

(Hope I'm not necro'ing this thread)

I started playing in 2006, I played a NE Druid at first but quickly got bored of the frequent demands for "heelz" and rerolled a Human Warlock, which I played for about 2 years before I rerolled a Draenei Paladin when BC came out.

I raided up to 3 cleared wings in Naxx with my Warlock and up to Teron Gorefiend in Black Temple with my Paladin (I was Retribution, to illustrate how lucky I was to actually raid that far).

Other than that I played an Undead Mage to Rank 12, a Tauren Druid with a top arena rating of just over 2000 and several Rogues that never got past lvl 50.

I quit before WotLK came out and might start playing again when the new expansion comes out for some Worgen fun.

[Chriz]

Cataclysm was announced a little while ago. Two new races -- Goblins for the Horde and Worgen for the Alliance.

Yeah, Worgen.

http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/f/f9/Worgen_druid.jpg
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/wowwiki/images/d/d8/Cataclysm_Worgen.png

[Raid]

I'm looking forward to that, I've always loved the Worgen. I can't wait to roll a Worgen Druid.

[GhostBat]

Yeah, Worgen.

Of all things to finally suck me into WoW...

But yeah, I have to try them. :p

[zeroxwolfx]

Cataclysm was announced a little while ago. Two new races -- Goblins for the Horde and Worgen for the Alliance.
Yeah, Worgen.


Sons of bitches, of course now I'll have to play it.

I've always enjoyed the story lines of warcraft, and of blizzard games in general, unfortunately I think its something that a lot of wow players miss out on.

The first expansion made sense, something something you get new stuff and kill an impending word threat, raise the level cap by ten, woot. Next expansion, add new stuff, add 10 to level cap, START fighting the lich king... but not really finish it, or get any closure on that or anything. And, as a reader of the books, before the release of wrath of the lich king, I predicted that something to do with death wing would be included in the following expansion, so someone owes me twenty bucks. Still they made it kind of confusing, and I hope that at least before they release cataclysm, they make a patch or something, that lets you finish things with the lich king, but judging by the preview movie, they made it sound like stuff was going to still be going on with that while all this NEW stuff was going to happen with deathwing and all the landscape changes and what not.

I've never been a big fan of WOW, Cataclysm is going come out sometime in 2010, which means I have to wait AT LEAST until late 2010 for Diablo III, (which I'm much more excited about than any wow stuff) but most likey early 2011, and god knows when for starcraft 2. Assuming that they clean things up with the lick king, and you actually get to finish killing deathwing and all that, I will only allow blizzard to make one more expansion for it, to which they will raise the lvl cap to 100 (since they're only raising it 5 for cataclysm.) woot, and, as with logical order of the books, you will engage in one last super duper final battle with Sargeras and finally beat the fucking game. That is the last thing WOW related that I will tolerate from blizzard. If for some reason they try to make something stupid, like another expansion, or a world of warcraft 2 or something retarded like that, I'm afraid I'll be forced to go up to blizzard headquarters and burn the place down, hopefully that will get the message across.

[Chriz]

Still they made it kind of confusing, and I hope that at least before they release cataclysm, they make a patch or something, that lets you finish things with the lich king, but judging by the preview movie, they made it sound like stuff was going to still be going on with that while all this NEW stuff was going to happen with deathwing and all the landscape changes and what not.

To be fair, the Lich King is kinda a big deal in the WoWverse. He's the Warcraft equivalent of Darth Vader and the Emperor rolled into one. If and when they finally kill him, it'll be the "end of the story," so to speak. So I'm glad they're not making him too easy to kill off.

[Noctifer]

Who are you on WoW?
What raids have you done?
What hard modes have you done?
Do you like the new arenas?

I'm usually playing as either my orc hunter or one of my death knight characters. I've been part of a few raids and the arenas aren't bad either.

As far as cataclysm goes though, yay for worgen but goblins? I would've expected worgen for horde or at least let both sides somehow have worgen or the horde getting something just as appealing.

Eh whatever it'll still be worth playing in the long run I'm sure.

[Chriz]

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[Vendetta]

"Bring me 10 lava monster hearts!"

[Chriz]

"Bring me 10 lava monster hearts!"

There is still some of that, but they've really shown a lot of creativity in the quests in WotLK. I've done quests where I:

Kill an animal, cover myself in its blood, jump into a pond and let the blood wash off, then catch the fish that come to consume the blood.

Fly a gryphon down into the midst of a town being overrun by undead to pick up fleeing citizens, so I can fly them back to safety.

Accidentally eat a town's prized supply of seeds, then have to gather plants that work as a laxative so I can head for the local outhouse to "retrieve" the seeds in order to prevent the town from starving.

Get on a horse, with a lance, and joust then enemy to the death.

Put on lip balm and kiss frog after frog until one of them turns into a princess.

Run around town, into various inns, gathering together bits of wine from half-empty glasses so as to put together a wine platter for a pompous blowhard who thinks he's better than everyone.

Catch fish to use as a lure, to get a male sea lion to cross a channel and hook up with a female sea lion.

Fight an NPC, and slap chains on him before he dies so I can drag him back to the quest giver for questioning.

"Question" the aforementioned NPC with what appears to be a magic-based taser.

Perform last rites on the bodies of a peaceful people scattered across their invaded village while avoiding their attackers (or killing them, but that'd be my choice and not part of the actual quest).

Ride on the back of a horse while being chased by wolf men, throwing flaming oil at them all the while.

And so on...

Not directly related, but I just felt like posting it:

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[J.L.R.]

Wow... I can literally feel the radioactive radiance of nerdness oozing from each post. :beerchug:

I am not a WOW player myself, but a ton of my friends are uber excited to unleash a Wargen or two in the WOW world...

Just...don't...have...time...

[Chriz]

You think that's geeky, check this one out.

I can't decide which tabard to wear. I've earned a bunch and I've narrowed it down to about a half dozen. Anyone have any preference?

[Chriz]

And the final three...

[GhostBat]

I have to say my two choices are Kurenai, because it makes you look like Santa, and Shattered Sun. :p

[Chriz]

This was released today.

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So I guess I have to revisit what I had said earlier. Looks like they're going to take Arthas out after all.

[Praecida]

I have a level 80 Destro Lock on Lighninghoof, PvP server with some RP, which I don't participate in (no one on the server does). I have an 80 Unholy/Blood Death Knight, and an 80 Holy Paladin. I'm Horde (obviously), and I'm a beast. Let's get together and PvP sometime.

[Chriz]

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Just because it's silly, and actually quite well done.

[Raiden]

Ah, I wasn't sure if anyone here actually played. I had a level 80 Undead Rogue but sadly my account was compromised and I ended up losing everything. No worries on my end though, I enjoy starting fresh and rolled a Blood Elf Warlock.

Yes...

For the Horde.

Shane

UPDATE:

I got my Rogue back with all of my gold! Woot.

[Raiden]

It's a gaming forum, it needs to be up here.

Who are you on WoW?
What raids have you done?
What hard modes have you done?
Do you like the new arenas?

I have a level 80 Undead Rogue named Verdugo and my new main, a level 17 Belf Warlock named Daemorn.

I never actually done a raid. My friends who got me into the game took a break from it until Cataclysm comes out.

I've done all heroic instances and the new arenas are rather nice!

Shane

[Vampirelordx]

Draider lvl 54 draenei fury warrior I play on galkrond and am loving every second of this game. I wanna hit 80 before cata so I can roll a worgen DK. WORGEN FTW!!!!

[fenrison]

bit late to reply to all this but just got to say its nice to c some wow heads on an werewolf site,
i'm a warrior fan, got 2 lv 80 and im on the fenris cerver, il post some more details wen i can, i'm new to this site so theres apparently some lv's to gain here, so... till then :beerchug:

[Praecida]

Draider lvl 54 draenei fury warrior I play on galkrond and am loving every second of this game. I wanna hit 80 before cata so I can roll a worgen DK. WORGEN FTW!!!!

Eh, worgens seem kinda cool but the goblins are for sure cuter. My lock is currently alliance but i've considered changing her back to horde.

[fenrison]

worgen all the way guys,
been wayting 3 years for it, cant freekin wayt.

[GhostBat]

There's now an official release date!

December 7, 2010.

[LucimOfTheMoon]

Welp, I have been playing since my wife introduced me (about a year ago) but only just got serious with it lol

My main character is Dessdemona in the Ghostlands realm. I have a few alts I rarely play for a break from my main.

I like the new changes in 4.0.1 and Cata looks sexy as heck. Can't wait for it... Now if only I can convince my wife to let me pre-order :P

[GhostBat]

The new running wild "mount" animation for worgen is now available, and I think it looks AWESOME.

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At this point I've decided to roll a male worgen for my main, because the females aren't nearly as ferocious as I really want them to be. Chris and I pre-ordered the digital version of Cataclysm yesterday.

What do people think of the current male/female worgen models and running wild?

[Chriz]

http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/70a_small.jpg (http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/70a.jpg)
Click it for a much bigger version. (http://media.mmo-champion.com/images/news/2010/november/70a.jpg)

[DarkWolf]

I've started playing WoW a bit but so far I've found it very underwhelming. o_O

[GhostBat]

I've started playing WoW a bit but so far I've found it very underwhelming. o_O

You're doing it wrong. :p

[Chriz]

I've started playing WoW a bit but so far I've found it very underwhelming. o_O

Out of curiosity, what class/race are you playing?

[DarkWolf]

Tauren/Druid
Undead/Warlock
Night Elf/Hunter

I've tried each for several hours each but I get so bored I often give up. For each I got them to at least level 8, and despite the repetitive grind of doing so, there's still only 1 spell/ability I find useful - the starting ability. For each, that's 7 levels or more of nothing worth gaining.

The health/regen rate is out of synch with starting so any healing/mana-regaining abilities you gain (such as Undead cannaliblism or Druid's Healing Touch) are useless.

The complete lack of character options makes it immediately daunting. No matter what options you choose characters always look the same. Undead always look like a hunchbag with a grotesque jaw, elves look like horse-faced droopy-eared things that seem to have stepped out of a child's silly cartoon, and for humans? Women all have the same face or men who have look like they have Down's Syndrome.

And Starting Clothing options? There are none. I get in game you gain new ones, but surely the starting options should, at least, be relevant to class? I mean, take the Warlock! The class is about sorcerer's taking dark pacts and conjuring demons and a male human warlock wears: a pink-red robe. Really?

And the graphics are underwhelming. I've checked my system to what the game requires and I meet all conditions, and have checked what I see on screen in comparison to HD image screenshots. But, the graphics, compared to other games, are poor.

I'm sure things get better in later levels with clothing, abilities, etc, but I struggle to find any enthusiasm to bother. I spent the longest as Undead Warlock and for the time I spent grinding away with repetitive and boring battles for hours,I could have levelled up 6-7 levels on CoV gaining at least 3 new powers all of which would be useful.

Considering the popularity and the how large the game file is, I was expecting something so much better. So far, it's the least entertaining of any game I've played in a long time.

[GhostBat]

The complete lack of character options makes it immediately daunting. No matter what options you choose characters always look the same. Undead always look like a hunchbag with a grotesque jaw, elves look like horse-faced droopy-eared things that seem to have stepped out of a child's silly cartoon, and for humans? Women all have the same face or men who have look like they have Down's Syndrome.

You can't compare CoH/CoV customization to WoW; It's not really fair. CoH/CoV has incredible customization from the start, but no gear. WoW relies much more heavily on the gear you get through questing, PvP, or raiding that not only change how you look but the strength of your character.

And Starting Clothing options? There are none. I get in game you gain new ones, but surely the starting options should, at least, be relevant to class? I mean, take the Warlock! The class is about sorcerer's taking dark pacts and conjuring demons and a male human warlock wears: a pink-red robe. Really?

Gear at max level is absolutely class specific. Druids get gear that is animalistic, death knights get gear covered in skulls, etc. Most of WoW's content is focused for end game play, not leveling. The only purpose to leveling your character is to learn your class before participating in raids or PvP at max level, which is the heart and soul of WoW.

And the graphics are underwhelming. I've checked my system to what the game requires and I meet all conditions, and have checked what I see on screen in comparison to HD image screenshots. But, the graphics, compared to other games, are poor.

Blizzard does that for a reason. The more people that can play their game (lower system requirements), the better. Besides, just look at Nintendo. The Wii isn't known for having the best graphics in the world. Hell, it's last in comparison to PS3 or especially Xbox, but Wii sold far better than either of them. I also think Nintendo has some of the most fun games on the market, since they focus almost entirely on gameplay.

I'm sure things get better in later levels with clothing, abilities, etc, but I struggle to find any enthusiasm to bother. I spent the longest as Undead Warlock and for the time I spent grinding away with repetitive and boring battles for hours,I could have levelled up 6-7 levels on CoV gaining at least 3 new powers all of which would be useful.

Now, it's impossible to refute the fact that CoH/CoV has better character customization than WoW, or that CoH/CoV has better graphics than WoW, but are you seriously saying that CoH/CoV levels faster/has less mission repetition than WoW? :p

Because...that's entirely false.

[DarkWolf]

You can't compare CoH/CoV customization to WoW; It's not really fair.Why is it unfair? Blizzard are bigger, have more money, and have had more time to develop their game and its customisations than the makers of CoX or NCSoft.

CoH/CoV has incredible customization from the start, but no gear. WoW relies much more heavily on the gear you get through questing, PvP, or raiding that not only change how you look but the strength of your character. I know, but I wasn't commenting on clothing I was commenting on limited CHARACTER options - eyes, face, hair, etc. They have very limited options and those options are all "samey", with very little difference.

Gear at max level is absolutely class specific. Druids get gear that is animalistic, death knights get gear covered in skulls, etc. I get that and agree with it. I just don't get why a human male warlock needs to start the game looking like a male transvestite with down's syndrome.

Most of WoW's content is focused for end game play, not leveling. The only purpose to leveling your character is to learn your class before participating in raids or PvP at max level, which is the heart and soul of WoW. Then why bother to have levelling as such a long grind for useless abilities? Why not just have a tutorial and then the "end game" style content? That would actually be more of an appeal - no need to spend absurd amounts of time with hardly anything to show for it until you finally get something.

Hell, it's last in comparison to PS3 or especially XboxAgree with your point, but you got this wrong way round. Should be "especially PS3". PS3 actually has better graphics capability based on both the hardware (better graphics, better processor) and the improved space on discs (blu-ray as opposed to DVD). ;)

Now, it's impossible to refute the fact that CoH/CoV has better character customization than WoW, or that CoH/CoV has better graphics than WoW, but are you seriously saying that CoH/CoV levels faster/has less mission repetition than WoW? :p

Because...that's entirely false.No, it isn't false. Unless I have some weird alternate version of the games. For my Undead Warlock it took me over 6 and a half hours to get to level 8. That involved "Go kill X of Y", "Go speak with X" and "Collect X of Y" missions plus randomly fighting with an endless spawn of enemies. Fighting which involved only "select, press 1, wait for recharge, press 1--- repeat until its defeated". When I got Immolate I thought it would help - but it didn't. So, regardless of any other spells the only one of use was the first, Fireball. The fighting was too repetitive. Sometimes I even just stopped in the middle, went and got a drink from fridge, came back and continued. Without any use of spells/abilities, and without aid of any other player - I was only half-health and returned to full health in about 2 seconds. There was just no challenge there. Add that with a Demon Pet out in play sometimes I didn't even bother attacking some, and even against the most difficult of enemies I had faced in that period, I still never lost more than half my health, which only took 2 seconds to fully recover, before my pet killed it. It wouldn't be so bad if I just got something useful while levelling, but I never did.

In CoV I got a character to Level 12 in a little over 4 hours, and enjoyed a variety of powers, all useful and many necessary against enemies that would increase in difficulty and missions varied very greatly. Kidnap, assassinate, steal, kill all, and each with varying levels of difficulty. A single enemy, even a weak one, still posed /some/ challenge - if I had gone AFK to get a drink I would either die or be nearly killed and it would take time to recover, even using Rest.

I was just expecting something more from WoW. Every game, be it console or MMO to even pen & Paper like D&G, there is some "grind" and best things happen later in game. Unlike those other games, I have found WoW grinding takes longer, offers less reward for levelling up, and therefore requires more patience and loyalty than I have enthusiasm for.

So, yeah, as I said I find it underwhelming. For the fanbase it has, for the huge game file (2.5 times the size of COH+COV!!), and for the price (much more expensive than any other MMO I've played or come across) I wasn't expecting to be overly bored for hours on end. It has been a pure disappointment at every possibility so far.

I KNOW it can be better later on, blah blah, but I have to want to GET there and right now I struggle to find a reason to bother due to how slow and boring it has been so far.

Is there a reason to carry on with such useless grinding? Is there anything greatly special beyond level 9? So far the only thing I can find a reason to bother further is seeing my druid's Cat Form at Level 10, but really I need more than that.

[Chriz]

DW, you're playing WoW wrong. Seriously.

It takes me about 20 hours to get to level 80, and I've done it five times. Back three years ago or so, leveling was much slower and it took me about 12 hours to hit level 20.

You level way too fast in WoW. They actually need to slow it down.

WoW is not streamlined. It's much more about being in a big novel, whereas CoX is more like playing a game. CoX is a ton of fun, and I put an insane amount of time into it, but once I got into WoW I really couldn't look back. Although I can't stand how male NE look, either. ;)

When I first started playing WoW I did experience a kind of transition shock, coming from CoX. You run around very slowly, you can't move while queueing up an attack, and yes, everyone looks the same. But I got over it (CoX feels "weird" to me now). Part of that was trying out the different classes and learning what they're actually all about. I love my Rogue but I didn't even play one until I'd gotten a Warrior and Paladin up to 60 (back before BC).

I've put as much time into CoX as anyone I know, and I have to completely disagree that WoW is more of a grind. Maybe it can feel that way because you spend more time hoofing it from place to place. And you also can't just dive into a group of mobs and kill them all (unless you're a Death Knight). CoX is the same three quests over and over.

But it's also just possible WoW isn't your thing. No crime there.

BTW, what does WoW cost in the UK? In the US, WoW and CoX are both $15/mo.

[GhostBat]

Without any use of spells/abilities, and without aid of any other player - I was only half-health and returned to full health in about 2 seconds. There was just no challenge there. Add that with a Demon Pet out in play sometimes I didn't even bother attacking some, and even against the most difficult of enemies I had faced in that period, I still never lost more than half my health, which only took 2 seconds to fully recover, before my pet killed it.

That's actually a recent change that was implemented on purpose. At very low levels (10 and lower or so), Blizzard didn't want new players worrying so much about their health or whatever energy their character class used. This, in their minds, allows players to focus on their abilities and getting into how MMOs and questing work. Because you play CoH/CoV, you're considered an "advanced" player. You understand the basics, which means you should really be trying out the more advanced early leveling experiences of goblins or worgen that come out tomorrow. :p

As you level above 10, it begins to become extremely important to watch your bars. Most classes can't handle more than one mob on them without dying as you level. It truly becomes a challenge. You are an adventurer, after all, and not a superhero.

And I have to agree with Chriz. I got an alt Horde druid character to 17 in about 2 hours, including the three "run back to my body" times I experienced trying to kill one frickin' boss.

[Vendetta]

So after today I'm guessing we won't see you guys for another 6 months or so?

[GhostBat]

So after today I'm guessing we won't see you guys for another 6 months or so?

Chances are you will. We have other things on our plate right now that will prevent us from playing WoW 24/7. :p

[DarkWolf]

DW, you're playing WoW wrong. Seriously.Doubt that. The only gameplaying options I have are: go on quests, kill things along way, gather for profession along way, complete quest, repeat. I've tried "just kill things" and "just quests" variants but these are slower so I stick to the mentioned formula. That's all I am able to do, and I'm doing it. I'm doing what the guides and tutorials say to do.

It takes me about 20 hours to get to level 80, and I've done it five times. Back three years ago or so, leveling was much slower and it took me about 12 hours to hit level 20.Good for you. Sorry to sound snarky but how does this change what MY gameplaying experience is going to be?

and yes, everyone looks the same. But I got over it (CoX feels "weird" to me now)I won't ever "get over it", to me, character customisation is the most important aspect of MMO RPG gaming for me. It's half the reason why I play - to create MY avatar and experience a new world through it. So when there are basic browser games with more character customisation than what WoW offers that's really really bad. When I play an on-line MMO RPG I expect customisation to be key - otherwise, what's the point? If I just want to play a set character for the story I'd go on my PS3.

BTW, what does WoW cost in the UK? In the US, WoW and CoX are both $15/mo.I was exaggerating a bit it seems or had a little lapse in memory but WoW would be $15 and CoX is $10.

I'm kinda done defending myself now. Sorry if I sound rude (having a bad day) but all I said was "I was underwhelmed", and now I have to keep making posts to detail why and it also seems that I'm playing some magical alternative to CoX or WoW. It just seems pointless to continuing explaining why I was not "wowed by WoW".

[GhostBat]

I'm kinda done defending myself now. Sorry if I sound rude (having a bad day) but all I said was "I was underwhelmed", and now I have to keep making posts to detail why and it also seems that I'm playing some magical alternative to CoX or WoW. It just seems pointless to continuing explaining why I was not "wowed by WoW".

DW, you of all people should know the point of a forum. :p

When someone says, "I don't like this", is it really a bad thing for someone to ask why and then have a debate about it? Opinions are being discussed, and that's great. It's even better when real information can be brought into play beyond someone's feelings, which is what we're all doing here.

I shouldn't have to say this to anyone besides a newbie to forums, but...

If you don't want to defend your opinion, don't post it on a forum.

Besides, if you're having a bad day you can completely ignore this thread until you're feeling better. This isn't a real time conversation. :)

[DarkWolf]

GB, yes I know all that but you seem to miss the point. I'm saying I'm done defending why I was underwhelmed when it seems I'm playing some special alternative version. Combine that with personal preferences as mentioned (which don't need defending no matter where expressed as that is the difference between opinion and preference) and the matter becomes, as I stated (and reiterating since it seems to have been missed) pointless for me to continue 'defending' post by post.

[Chriz]

Doubt that. The only gameplaying options I have are: go on quests, kill things along way, gather for profession along way, complete quest, repeat. I've tried "just kill things" and "just quests" variants but these are slower so I stick to the mentioned formula. That's all I am able to do, and I'm doing it. I'm doing what the guides and tutorials say to do.

Log in with your highest-level character and type /played. It will tell you how long you've spent on that character, in hours (if it says something like "3 days" that means 72 hours).

I wonder if you're spending as much time playing as you think. I guarantee you it will be far less, level for level, than you spend playing CoX. Unless they radically sped up leveling in CoX just recently..?

Good for you. Sorry to sound snarky but how does this change what MY gameplaying experience is going to be?

I dunno. Perhaps the fact that someone else is doing something you say you can't suggests that you can do it after all.

I won't ever "get over it", to me, character customisation is the most important aspect of MMO RPG gaming for me. It's half the reason why I play - to create MY avatar and experience a new world through it. So when there are basic browser games with more character customisation than what WoW offers that's really really bad. When I play an on-line MMO RPG I expect customisation to be key - otherwise, what's the point? If I just want to play a set character for the story I'd go on my PS3.

WoW doesn't have the breadth of character choices that CoH or CoV has, that's true. WoW has considerably more depth to its combat system, though. But I guess that's a matter of personal preference.

There's plenty of detail in your class and spec in WoW to keep you engaged. WoW classes are typically easy to learn and difficult to master.

Also, WoW is much more about endgame play. Again, this may be a good thing or bad thing depending on what you're looking for in a game. WoW levels you fast so you can get to max level and do all the stuff they have for you. It's been a while since I've played CoH -- is there anything to do at level 50 aside from Hamidon?

I was exaggerating a bit it seems or had a little lapse in memory but WoW would be $15 and CoX is $10.

Ok, CoX is still $15 here.

I'm kinda done defending myself now. Sorry if I sound rude (having a bad day) but all I said was "I was underwhelmed", and now I have to keep making posts to detail why and it also seems that I'm playing some magical alternative to CoX or WoW. It just seems pointless to continuing explaining why I was not "wowed by WoW".

WoW most certainly didn't impress me when I first played. I found it slow and tedious, and most of the character class stuff incomprehensible or irrelevant. I actually abandoned the game and went back to CoV. I'm now on my second WoW account (Dana got my first one banned) and the more I learned about the game the more I realized the gameplay had quite a lot of depth.

Like I said, not liking WoW is no crime. I guess I'm just trying to get you to be patient and take a deeper look. But if in the end you're more of a CoX guy, that's great too. CoX is a blast (although I tried playing it when the Mac client came out and I found it shallow and monotonous).

[DarkWolf]

(if it says something like "3 days" that means 72 hours)Is it really necessary to resort to insulting my intelligence?

[Chriz]

Is it really necessary to resort to insulting my intelligence?

I'm just glad I got the math right. :p

No, I just meant that it wasn't calendar days. "3 days" doesn't mean you've been playing since Sunday. No insult intended, just lack of clarity on my part.

[GhostBat]

Like I said, not liking WoW is no crime. I guess I'm just trying to get you to be patient and take a deeper look. But if in the end you're more of a CoX guy, that's great too. CoX is a blast (although I tried playing it when the Mac client came out and I found it shallow and monotonous).

I think that really hits the mark between CoX and WoW. CoX is a gorgeous game, with tons of customization. Everything CoX has to offer, you get right up front. You get sucked in immediately, but then that's it. There's nothing more to explore. What you see is what you get, right from the start.

With WoW, more and more game content reveals itself to you as you play. You don't start off seeing even a quarter of the content that will eventually be available to you. This is a definite risk for WoW, because it's much harder to suck someone into the game. Unlike CoX, though, WoW's design has much more staying power for players. It's much harder for players to become bored over time.

The only reason I stuck with CoX for 3 years was because of the socialization within the game. I was bored with it otherwise. Missions are disguised as being different with different story lines, but they're all the same concept. You enter a door mission, you beat up mobs in 1 of any 5 maps that they recycle, you leave and enter the next door mission.

CoX tried to replicate WoW by adding PvP, but because it was never designed for PvP in mind, the play is terrible. They also tried to bring in "crafting" of enhancements, but I found it tedious, and knew of little who actually bothered to do it. They also took the idea of an auction house from WoW, adding the black market and such to CoX, but the fact that it was a complete afterthought didn't help in making the economy work the way it should.

The only options you have in CoX are to do missions, hunt for badges, find a team to do a TF, or PvP.

If I get bored with doing quests in WoW, I can...
cook, fish, collect and sell herbs, skin animals, learn how to enchant gear, mine, engineer my own gear, learn and train for first aid, blacksmithing, alchemy, inscription, jewelcrafting, leatherworking, or tailoring, dig for artifacts (archeology), reputation grind, collect pets, collect mounts, PvP in a battleground or an arena (different type of gameplay), hunt for achievements, find a team to do dungeons, or find a team to do raids.

I think this is the main reason WoW has a staggering player base compared to CoX. It appeals to a significantly larger audience who have different ideas of what's fun to do, because there are so many options. CoX is a great game. It introduced me to the fun of MMOs, and it allowed me to socialize and become close to my husband before he was my husband. It has a spot in my heart, no doubt. After leveling a character to 80 in WoW, though, I really can't say CoX is better.

If what CoX offers is enough for you, then that's awesome. You've found your game. I just find the ability to play a game with tons of gameplay options more appealing to me.

[Chriz]

So about leveling speed, Kat and I just got our Worgen to 14 after 3 hours of playtime.

That's about a level every 13 minutes. I don't think that happens in CoX.

[J.L.R.]

A bunch of my friends have thusly transformed themselves into Worgen. I got a friend of mine to name his Worgan (class Hunter) Waffles. :P

They've been pratically begging me to jump in to the World of Warcraft. I love the music (I have a few of the scores, I purchased via Itunes), but I can't say I'm a big fan of the game. Then again, I don't like MMORPGs. The big reason is, I don't have time to invest into a game that requires you to pay every month in order to play. Some days I would be able to play a lot, but then I get into a situation where I won't play any vid games for a few months, especially when I'm trying to finish up a screenplay.

I just watch my friends play and oggle over their characters.

I'm currently playing Dragon Age: Origins - Awakening on PS3. When I'm not playing that I'm playing Mass Effect 2.

[GhostBat]

Then again, I don't like MMORPGs. The big reason is, I don't have time to invest into a game that requires you to pay every month in order to play. Some days I would be able to play a lot, but then I get into a situation where I won't play any vid games for a few months, especially when I'm trying to finish up a screenplay.

A lot of MMOs, WoW included, allow you to "pause" your account if you're not going to play that month. Just because it says that you're canceling, doesn't mean you'll lose anything. As soon as you resubscribe, everything will be waiting for you as it was before you left. They do this for a number of reasons. If someone's account is hacked and then cancelled, they want to have a database of all those characters so they aren't lost forever. Parents will cancel a subscription to ground their kids, but that shouldn't result in a permanent deletion. A lot of people go on extended vacations, and don't want to pay for a game they aren't playing, but also don't want to lose their characters.

And besides, if you cancel because you're bored with the game, the hope is that you'll come back a year or two later because all your characters are exactly how you left them.

[Bane]

I'd like to start off by saying I've been with wow since Beta. I've never played a game that's come close to being as addictive and entertaining as WoW. I enjoy every aspect of the game, from profesions to achievments to mount and pet hunting to raiding and pvp.

My main characters are threefold

Ishazi--82 Troll Rogue Lethon server Da Kine Guild
Illiandra-80 Blood Elf Death Knight Shattered Halls Server, Don't remember the guild

Amira--85 Blood Elf Warlock, Lethon Server Da kine Guild

Amira is my current main/project, I've played all but a few classes in the game, leaving only 2 on my list now (Hunter and Shaman) I can honestly say I've immersed myself in every aspect as thoroughly as can be done.

I've gotten all but the newest of professions maxed out. Finished every raid boss in the game save the new ones and that's only due to my tight fiscal situation at the moment.

The game has successfully tapped into the hardest thing to tap into, peoples Time.

That being said, I can certainly see why people would dislike the game, its extremely tedious to grind, can be overwhelming with the population(trade chat doesn't help) and it offers little base customization.

[Rylias Shadow]

I played once. It almost consumed my soul...so I've decided to never go back lol.

This is all I have to comment --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwYKtgFYCc&feature=related

Ahaha, sorry to any elves; I just think it's really funny XD

[Aerostel Trethiraz]

My highest level at the moment is a Tauren Shaman at level 81. My main is a level 46 Worgen Warrior.

My highest level's name is... of course, Aerostel

I have gone up to Lich King 25 man and I'm not really interested in leveling right now. I'm usually caught doing Classic raids cause they are my favorite.

http://us.battle.net/wow/en/character/aggramar/aerostel/simple