Vampires and Werewolves

[Kayssunset]

I have stuided Vampires for years now and I just came across something about werewolves that made me interested in studing them.
Can someone help understand if Vampires and Werewolves are enimes and if a Vampire bits a werewolves the Vampire becomes ill?
Please let me know what you think?

[MorganaFang]

What I know of the stories is vamps and weres are just predators in the world they only become enimies when they share pray as for Vamps getting sick. Thats witches blood ;) My blood is toxic.

[McKitty]

I don't think they're nessacarily enemies. Maybe if the situation is right. But if Vampire and a Werewolf meet in a bar (( ...wasn't that a joke somewhere?)) I don't think they'll go for eachother's throats so to speak.

[GothicRogue]

I too have studied Vampires, and werewolves. I dont believe they are enemies but I dont think you would catch them ramping around together quite often.

[MexicanJewLizard]

That's not true. I am not a vamp, or a were for that matter. (I don't have any proof either even are real), but at one of the vamp fourms I go to, along with a friend, we're basically the queens of the room. :D At anyrate, my point is I was very close to one you would call... draco_wolfheart and apparently he thinks he's a wolfie... we got along fine.

[Silent Wolf]

Well i will tell you this i have a friend who is a vamp and i'm a werewolf so not all weres hate vamps it's only the certain vamps i hate the ones that kill people to feed my friend is one of those who gets blood from the blood bank or other animals so thats why she is cool :D as long as she doesn't bite me lol :)

[Silent_Darkstalker]

vampys and wolfies being enimies.. pure white wolf rubbish.. that sounds funny :rolleyes:

but as for role playing yes they are enemies..

real life.. no they are not enemies.. well unless they do something to each other then perhaps you might want revenge.. but as for just because of beign a therian and a vamp then why shoudl you hate eachother..

ever hear that tv rots the mind.. well guess what.. role playing does too.. get a life? o.O


bong!

[dream_catcher]

Well I'm not sure everyone goes through the same things when they get bitten by vampires. I know in some cases, werewolves would crave blood more often, they would get cold very easily (werewolves are usually warm), and they can sense them when other vampires are around. Whether there's more to it I don't know. :droolbloo

[punisher]

Historically, vampires and werewolves are linked in many legends. The old Germanic/Slavic legends have it that when a werewolf dies, they become a vampire. This would be because a person sold their soul to the devil for the ability to shift. When they died, their body could not rest without a soul. They would be doomed to walk the earth for eternity. This is why vampires can't see their reflection. It was thought that a person's reflection was their soul. A person without a soul would then have no reflection. Notice also that vampires of this region have shapeshifting powers to animals of the night (not just wolves). the very word Vampire comes from Wampyr, which means "one who wears the skin of a wolf."

The whole enemies thing did not exist before "White Wolf Games." I started studying the occult in the 80's and there was no mention of it back then. Read the old research. you will find the what werewolves are today is shaped by movies and rpg's a great deal.

[West]

I doubt that Vampires and Werewolves are enemies. Vampires would attack a werewolf just as it would attack a human. When one is bitten by a vampire, they are suppose to become one themselves. Now assuming that a vampire bit a werewolf, the werewolf would probably have the powers of a werewolf and a vampire. Then becoming a wolf, vampire type of creature. This creature having specific traits from both species. Also vampires can be known for shapeshifting, so this power might also rub onto the bitten werewolf. This would probably give a werewolf to change there form to anything they wanted, but they would still have there werewolf instincts. But to conclude this, and put it in a much easier format, the werewolf would have the powers of a werewolf, and a vampire.

[LadyPegUnicorn]

If you ask me the whole vampire and werewolf enemy idea to me came from holly wood. They probably stumbled across some forgotten story and overly down it. The whole history of vampires and werewolves tend to be vague. Know there is legends that vampires can become wolves and that wolves/ dogs were ussually guardians to the vampire. But over the years it got to big compared to the actuall myth.

[dagrgyldir]

That's not true. I am not a vamp, or a were for that matter. (I don't have any proof either even are real), but at one of the vamp fourms I go to, along with a friend, we're basically the queens of the room. :D At anyrate, my point is I was very close to one you would call... draco_wolfheart and apparently he thinks he's a wolfie... we got along fine.


The truth about vamps and weres is for the most part we do not invade one anothers territory we do not like each other for the reasons of vampyres feel that they should rule over us as our masters. During the dark times they tried to enslave and breed us as thier personal guards and slaves to thier will. This is not saying that we cannot copperate and even befriend one another but that ingrained mistrust will always surface eventually. And yes the possibility of a child being born of a vampyre and a were is possible and does happen but by our traditions they are suposed to be destroyed at birth but in this day and age some leniancy is observed.

[Sorrowsong]

ever hear that tv rots the mind.. well guess what.. role playing does too.. get a life? o.O




Then that means my mind's been gone for a loooooong time. :drool:

[LV426]

The truth about vamps and weres is for the most part we do not invade one anothers territory we do not like each other for the reasons of vampyres feel that they should rule over us as our masters. During the dark times they tried to enslave and breed us as thier personal guards and slaves to thier will. This is not saying that we cannot copperate and even befriend one another but that ingrained mistrust will always surface eventually. And yes the possibility of a child being born of a vampyre and a were is possible and does happen but by our traditions they are suposed to be destroyed at birth but in this day and age some leniancy is observed.

I was just wondering if you have an evidenciary support for this statement? Such as a myth, legend, or other historical recording that states such?

Personal statements are much like opinions in this matter and from what you have suggested here, well it sounds like a fictional account from either a novel or a role play game.

[Lycanthropologist]

The truth about vamps and weres is for the most part we do not invade one anothers territory we do not like each other for the reasons of vampyres feel that they should rule over us as our masters. During the dark times they tried to enslave and breed us as thier personal guards and slaves to thier will. This is not saying that we cannot copperate and even befriend one another but that ingrained mistrust will always surface eventually. And yes the possibility of a child being born of a vampyre and a were is possible and does happen but by our traditions they are suposed to be destroyed at birth but in this day and age some leniancy is observed.

no offense or anything but what you sayd sounds exactly like the story line of Underworld

[GarouX]

I heard that Werewolves used to serve the vampires...it's wut i read actually.
Werewolves were Slaves in other words.

[LV426]

I heard that Werewolves used to serve the vampires...it's wut i read actually.
Werewolves were Slaves in other words.
Where did you read this?

[GarouX]

It was in a book i read back in Germany,i honeslty can't remember wut the title was(it was in German anyways).

(yeah LycanHowl u're probably thinkin' that i'm just foolin' around or something ,but i'm not.)

[LV426]

It was in a book i read back in Germany,i honeslty can't remember wut the title was(it was in German anyways).

(yeah LycanHowl u're probably thinkin' that i'm just foolin' around or something ,but i'm not.)
The thing is that when people bring up the vampire against werewolf equation it is usually from a completely fictional novel and not from any Lore and Myth. I have researched both Vampires and werewolves and the only time they have been mentioned is when a vampire has been mistaken for a werewolf when it has taken on the shape of a wolf ad vice versa. I have never come across any Vampire using Werewolves as slaves or hating one another in any of my research.

[GarouX]

I understand,i wasn't trying to proove anything.
It was probably a story of some kind.
But i remembered something else i read,it said (supposedly) when a Vampire dies,it turns into a werewolf.
I don't wanna cause a ruckus,i'm just telling u wut i read.
(btw LycanHowl,do u believe in werewolves? or are u just interested in the myths and legend?....hope u don't me asking.)

[ThrasherCub]

From personal experience, I've found it that Weres and Vamps tend to have conflicting attitudes... I'm fairly Were-ish (acording to my friends I've had slight changes) and my boyfriend is a Vamp. And we're like two peas in a pod, a dynamic duo... a pair of underwear!... only main conflict we have is political stuff. His friend Matt is vampish and we..... yeah. He makes eye contact and then ducks behind someone big, points at me accusingly, and says "get her the FUCK away from me." Of the vamps I've met, they tend to have a slightly arogant attitude and be very... modernistic and liking the way people live now. Of the were-kin I've met (for I am yet to meet a were face to face) they are all rather fond of going into the middle of no where and painting rocks and singing songs and hugging Deku (a big ass tree where my coven meets) and think that about 1/8 of the current human population would be ideal.

Now if you want to go into myths, I can show you some reasonable... reasons as to why one would assume that werewolves and vampires wouldn't be the best of buddies.
Food. In the legends where werewolves eat people, they are then contending with vampires for tastey humans. Now if you look at the legends where the werewolves are defenders of the natural cycle of things (these legends are more rare, but much better in my opinion) well then you have these half-dead freaks sucking the fluid from the innocent... that's not natural! And of course the ever popular man vs beast. Humans believed wolves are a huge threat to them and their live stock and so hunted wolves down. The werewolves would of course try to stop humans from doing this. Now the vampires need humans alive so they would have something to feed from, and so the vampires would want to stop the werewolves - thus resulting in their dislike for eachother.

Es gibt nix
was es nicht gibt

[ShadowCat]

Sometimes I would say there is rivlary between the two..
but it's not a must!
I am a therian and a psy vampyre; so I should bang myself on the head :banghead: and think of myself as my mortal enemy???
Seriously now.. most of the times conflicts arise bettween Vamps and Weres is I'd say- defending their point's of view!
'Cause both tend to react strongly to any comments on their "species"!

[silenceowl]

the only reason any vamps or weres fight is the same as is the reason races of humans fight...ignorance. no kind of being (except mabye god)
is imune it ignorance and we all fight each other for dumb-ass reasons.

[Cape]

although i like the whole "werewolves vs vampires" story thing from White Wolf, there really isn't any point or reason for real life vampires and werewolves to be enemies.

[Moonlight]

although i like the whole "werewolves vs vampires" story thing from White Wolf, there really isn't any point or reason for real life vampires and werewolves to be enemies.

I agree with Cape on that. It's just a load of crap :beerchug:

[GarouX]

There's so many info that's been left unsaid...it's too bad cuz people won't believe in anything anymore.
Wut i'm trying to say is that Lots of info didn't make it's way to the States.

[lycanightmare]

i personally belive in the war..rumors of vamp enslaving us lycans in days of old hindering our true nature, holding us CAPTIVE!

revolt.

[Xavious]

I don't think werewolves and vampires are always enemies. It really depends on what kind of werewolf it is. What I mean is there are different species of werewolf. I am a werewolf and I know that my kind doesn't mind vampires. Unless they try to kill one of my werewolf friends. Then we will have a problem.

[Moonlight]

To the last two posts:

Hehehehehehehehehehe hehe :D :D :D :beerchug: :buttrock: :rolleyes:

[LV426]

People this whole werewolf/vampire hatred of one another comes from fiction. Stories, movies, games, what have you but it is still fiction. There is not one legend, myth, or folktale that tells of Lycanthropes and Vampires hating each other and century old vengeances. There are no werewolf slaves to the overlord vampires.

I mean think logically, even if there were vampires and werewolves in existence there would be little to no competition for food geographically due to the size of the human population. Now if there were certain areas like rural midwest I could see some competition and that is only if the werwolves eat humans. Which I don't agree with at all. There are only a few cases where the so called Werewolves ate humans and in my opinion I think they were the serial killers of yore.

Now vampires have always been known to drink blood but in very few instances were drained bodies found. Usually an unexplained death was the result of a vampire or a demon. Again we are looking at the 16th, 17th, and 18th century. Surely creatures that needed to live on blood would not kill every human they fed from. Mortality rates were high back then, people were not as populous.

So, there is no VAMPIRE/WEREWOLF WAR!

It's fictional! Made up! FANTASY!