Shamanic veiws

[Storm_Eyes]

ive been a shaman for i think 4 years now, well only 4 years ago did i retake the practise.
its basicaly a religion that lets you become spirit urself, lets u discover who you are,lets you cross between this plane and that of the spirit etc
this is how i found out what i was aswell, if u are dedicated enough u have visions, i dont mean deja vou i mean like full blown sitting-in-maths-bored-stiff all of a sudden ur head hurts like u headbutted a wall and u get images, sounds tastes, u see things, u can feel things then you come back and find yoursel fon the floor ur entire class lookign at you...
theres also the dreams wheere u get hurt, ive woken screamin in pain from a wound that vanishes with in seconds, sometimes they take months.
but basicaly being a shaman or a shamanka lets you connect with nature and hear its voices, lets you be one with spirits of the elements, for example the ifrit, a fire spirit, the manidogisik, a sky spirit, the wendigo, an ice spirrit, etc spirrits of death and dragons will gaurd you alondg whoith those that are of the elements
u get your totem, a spirit partner there from birth and all u need to do is rediscover him or her
also 14 power animals.
its all really weird at times but you get used to it#got any questions post em for me.
if u want to know the veiws on werecreatures ill tell you

[Darth Cluich]

Riiiiiiiiiiiight.... a shaman since age 10...

Oh and uh...

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[Ves]

but basicaly being a shaman or a shamanka lets you connect with nature and hear its voices, lets you be one with spirits of the elements, for example the ifrit, a fire spirit, the manidogisik, a sky spirit, the wendigo, an ice spirrit, etc spirrits of death and dragons will gaurd you alondg whoith those that are of the elements
All that power and it still doesn't teach you to press the "y" and the "o" keys before the "u"...

Anywho, that's quite the mix of beliefs there, I count 3 very separate cultures. I'm sure they're really impressed with you mixing them like that. Indeed you might want to think very carefully about potentially learning stuff before dabbling - spirits are fickle bastards and naming them incorrectly is a shortcut to getting what me and my friends tend to refer to as "Doom".

[WhiteCrowUK]

On a very serious level, there is a recurrent theme amongst some new people here to ww.com. Its people questing for power of some sort (through magic, spells or p-shifting). We can seem pretty harsh on these people, but the problem is they are seeking power without wisdom.

No doubt there are a lot of situations in life we'd all like to turn on their heads. Bullying and intimidation where we feel powerless - but there arent any magic solutions. Every so often someone breaks, and thinks carrying a weapon or something to school or work will give him the power and respect they so crave. But this just ends destroying lives, including that of the one who uses the weapons.

No, the only path through life to get you through these hardships isnt easy - its through wisdom and self-discipline.

Personally I wish we saw a few more new people saying "I'm a bit of a loner, and want to talk about cool stuff" than people coming to the site wanting to become "true werewolves" or "get spells". If you can admit to being the former, you'll make a lot of friends here, because a lot of us are in similar boats. If you're gonna act like the later, people here will just not want to know.

/rant over

[Cheater388]

I have some knowledge of totems (not just animals) and their magic, I also know that you don't have 14 other power animals, otherwise it would be very uncomfortable putting all of them in one mind. You learned about the magics of the animals which your spirit totem eat, is that correct? It should not count as a power animal.


(at least, this is what I believe)

[Rain_Man_Babbit]

*adds to the poking fun of the "gramar"*

I guess you hit your head too much against those walls, eh? No, I'm serious, the whole thing cracks me up.

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The post, not the walls, because I'm no shaman. I hate those people. Raaaaaaaaaah.... *eyes*
The only "transformations" around here are people who use evil black magic and post deletion. XD

[Ves]

The post, not the walls, because I'm no shaman. I hate those people. Raaaaaaaaaah.... *eyes*
The only "transformations" around here are people who use evil black magic and post deletion. XD
What the hell are you talking about?

Actually the headbutting walls visions thing now I think of it and actually translate it is an almost perfect description of a Grande Mal (I think that's spelt right).

Going back to what WhiteCrow said, it's true we have far too many people here seeking shortcuts, thinking that "magick" is going to somehow make them cool and sort out all their woes. Which granted it potentially could, but only after they've attained the wisdom to realise that they don't need it to.

Now I think of it I actually shouldn't have attacked Storm_Eyes beliefs, only their spelling :) one thing I've come to realise in this 'ere crazy world is that whatever you think you know, it can be challenged and washed away in the blink of an eye. Hence an open-mind is a good thing.

[Claudandus]

Ok, Storm_Eyes, I have questions:

1 - Are you really 14 years old? So how can you be a shaman for 4 years? Precocious shamanism?

2 - Schizophrenic people also "sense, see and experience funny stuff", like you said. Are you sure you're not mentally ill somehow ( this might seem like a joke, but there's actually cultures who considered guys to be shamans because they were deranged. And maybe you're not a shaman - just deranged )

3 Is it "spirit" with just one "r" or "spirrit"? Make up your mind, man!

Also, I would recomend you to read something like Mircea Eliade or Carlos Castañeda before calling Shamanism a "religion". AND to contact a REAL shaman before calling yourself one.

[Darth Cluich]

You cannot know everything at 14 years of age. You're just experiencing what is called "being a fucktard."


Fixed for accuracy.

[Ves]

I would know, but then again I've never taken hits of acid before...is it as desirable as you make it sound?
That's a bit harsh. What's been described is almost certainly a grande mal, or something very similar.
Assuming that some people reading this won't know what a grande mal is, it's an full-on epileptic fit, with loss of consciousness, funny tastes, warning signs (the pain), and imagery. I get these occasionally (my epilepsy is extremely mild).
Storm_Eyes, I strongly recommend you consult a doctor preferably a consultant neurologist about this. Don't try to call it a shamanic experience or they'll think you've been experimenting with drugs, just say what you've experienced. They'll run an ECG in all likelyhood and then a little sine wave in your brain patterns will change your life forever.
Please do this before you learn to drive (believe me you don't want to be diagnosed after you've got used to driving).

[Louve]

*adds to the poking fun of the "gramar"*

I guess you hit your head too much against those walls, eh? No, I'm serious, the whole thing cracks me up.

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The post, not the walls, because I'm no shaman. I hate those people. Raaaaaaaaaah.... *eyes*
The only "transformations" around here are people who use evil black magic and post deletion. XD
You'd be a lot wiser not to comment on issues you don't know about. :)

[NeonLightChild]

Assuming that some people reading this won't know what a grande mal is, it's an full-on epileptic fit, with loss of consciousness, funny tastes, warning signs (the pain), and imagery. I get these occasionally (my epilepsy is extremely mild).
Your knowledge exceeds my ignorance. Please accept my apologies.

[Ves]

Your knowledge exceeds my ignorance.
This is a problem I commonly run into :D

[CrypticMaddness]

[QUOTE]ive been a shaman for i think 4 years now, well only 4 years ago did i retake the practise.

Retake? Four Years? To become a Shaman, many years of practice, soul searching, and studying is needed. So please make sure you understand the difference of a title, and being a practitioner of the shamanistic craft.

its basicaly a religion that lets you become spirit urself, lets u discover who you are,lets you cross between this plane and that of the spirit etc

Any religion can do that. Any spirituality can provide that for you. But not everyone can discover themselves and become more spiritual, and connected with the world around them with Shamanism. So its unfair to apply only Shamanism to the ability to become spiritual.

The crossing between planes is not limited to any religion. Its a practice that one can study, and experiment with. However its a difficult and often dangerous thing to do. Astral projection is not a game, or something you should just jump into without a life wraft.

if u are dedicated enough u have visions, i dont mean deja vou i mean like full blown sitting-in-maths-bored-stiff all of a sudden ur head hurts like u headbutted a wall and u get images, sounds tastes, u see things, u can feel things then you come back and find yoursel fon the floor ur entire class lookign at you...

Its not about dedication. As a matter of fact, visions have NOTHING to do with the dedication of a spirituality. Visions can be obtained in several ways. Visions are often seen as a type of divinations, gained by many different styles. However..if your sprawling over the floor, having visions, I sugguest a visit to the doctors.

theres also the dreams wheere u get hurt, ive woken screamin in pain from a wound that vanishes with in seconds, sometimes they take months.

I've had dreams that leave me in pain till I wake up, and sometimes its just because I got to pee really bad. I've read about people having such vivid dreams, that they will wake up with unexplainable bruises and scratches.

Check your bed. You might have something poking you in the night.

but basicaly being a shaman or a shamanka lets you connect with nature and hear its voices, lets you be one with spirits of the elements, for example the ifrit, a fire spirit, the manidogisik, a sky spirit, the wendigo, an ice spirrit, etc spirrits of death and dragons will gaurd you alondg whoith those that are of the elements

Religion, is not required to get intouch with your inner self, and the elements around you. It involves an open mind, open heart, and some sense of a spirituality. At this point you've no idea what your talking about and your spelling needs to improve greatly.


u get your totem, a spirit partner there from birth and all u need to do is rediscover him or her

Not everyone is born with an animal totem. Some never allow the beast inside to awaken. The animal picks you over time. I would know. One of my totem animals is a spider. I'm afraid of spiders and find them creapy, however, its a totem of mine.


questions post em for me.
if u want to know the veiws on werecreatures ill tell you

Where do you get the crap you've just posted?

[XWOLFX]

I'll be skeptic from the other side here. This doesn't mean I completely believe the person (don't know the person and this is the internet ;) ), but exactly how do you know this person isn't telling the truth about visions and stuff. Visions have been documented throughout the history of mankind ranging from different ages, religions, and cultures. People mature at different ages and find information at different times, and a smart 10 year old is just as capable of getting information as a 20 year old. So starting shamanism at the age of 10 shouldn't be completely unbelievable now a days with the internet and everything. For all we know every word this person is saying is true, and we honestly can't say any different unless we truly know this person (even then it is hard to say sometimes). My whole point is that I don't think we should be judging people without knowing the person, so I believe that you should just make helpful comments instead of trying to prove people we don't know wrong. I believe that whatever allows a person to sleep at night and wake up the next day is thier's to keep, true or not. I believe the consulting a doctor is a helpful comment...I believe that ones that are saying this person is on acid and stuff like that isn't helpful.

[Claudandus]

I'll be skeptic from the other side here. This doesn't mean I completely believe the person (don't know the person and this is the internet ;) ), but exactly how do you know this person isn't telling the truth about visions and stuff. Visions have been documented throughout the history of mankind ranging from different ages, religions, and cultures. People mature at different ages and find information at different times, and a smart 10 year old is just as capable of getting information as a 20 year old. So starting shamanism at the age of 10 shouldn't be completely unbelievable now a days with the internet and everything. For all we know every word this person is saying is true, and we honestly can't say any different unless we truly know this person (even then it is hard to say sometimes). My whole point is that I don't think we should be judging people without knowing the person, so I believe that you should just make helpful comments instead of trying to prove people we don't know wrong. I believe that whatever allows a person to sleep at night and wake up the next day is thier's to keep, true or not. I believe the consulting a doctor is a helpful comment...I believe that ones that are saying this person is on acid and stuff like that isn't helpful.

For starters... how is that the internet nowadays has anything to do with helping people to become shamans by the age of 10? You lost me there.

Shamanism is a calling, and needs training. I agree with what you say about visions, but the same kind of visions might really be a neurological disorder or an acid trip. So, on the safety side, better to check yourself for these things before relying solely on spiritual explanations and dedicating your life to a spiritual path.

And I'm not desbelieving him because he says he's a shaman, but because he says he's a shaman since the age of ten, talk about spirits in an impossible to understand fashion ( what are "spirits of death and dragon" anyway? ) and claims to have 14 power animals.

[Ves]

And I'm not desbelieving him because he says he's a shaman, but because he says he's a shaman since the age of ten, talk about spirits in an impossible to understand fashion ( what are "spirits of death and dragon" anyway? ) and claims to have 14 power animals.
Um.. if it's a calling, then it's something that can (in theory) come to you at any point in your life. With a certain type of upbringing I suppose that it's possible to learn to be a shaman by the age of 10 (again in theory).
Behold I play devil's advocate as usual!

[Claudandus]

Um.. if it's a calling, then it's something that can (in theory) come to you at any point in your life. With a certain type of upbringing I suppose that it's possible to learn to be a shaman by the age of 10 (again in theory).
Behold I play devil's advocate as usual!

Don't mind devil's advocate. It's an intelligent form of discussion.

I suppose there's a chance that one could be a shaman at the age of ten, though that would be very rare, at least as far as I know from the documented cases. And mind you, he wasn't shaman since the age of ten, he retook the practise at that age. So, really, she was a shaman prior to age 10. Very unlikely.

Also, He says a lot about "comunicating with spirits ( poorly described ones )" and "getting visions" without any explanations on the methods he uses to do these things. I would think a shaman would be interested about how others perform or view the shamanic arts, not just brag about what he can do with his powers.

So I'm having a hard time buying the guy's story. Just that.

[WhiteCrowUK]

And I'm not desbelieving him because he says he's a shaman, but because he says he's a shaman since the age of ten, talk about spirits in an impossible to understand fashion ( what are "spirits of death and dragon" anyway? ) and claims to have 14 power animals.

Yeah, the "I have 14 power animals" sounds a tad too much like "Pikachu, I choose you ..."

[Lord Laracon]

I'm a werewolf, with out my rituals. The rituals just help. Maybe we can talk... I've studied shamanism out of pure interest, the "medicine wheel" is a nice concept.

[ThrasherCub]

This thread is just over a year old. NO MORE ZOMBIE THREADS!

[Lord Laracon]

Yeah, the "I have 14 power animals" sounds a tad too much like "Pikachu, I choose you ..."Can we all stop being mean. :(

[DarkWolf]

Can we all stop being mean. :(
Can you stop breaking the flippin' rules?