Reincarnation

[BaDaSs_RedHeAd]

Most of you will possibly disagree with me, but I truly believe in reincarnation. My friend passed away 2 months ago and used to say she was a wren in a previous life. 2 days after her funeral a wren came up to me by my house a started sqauking at me and following me in my house. I finally caught the damn thing and looked at it for a while. The bird just looked at me sqaure in the eye, and I swore I saw my dear friend.I gave the bird a small little kiss and I let it go and it never came back since that weird day!

This might sound bizzare, I know. I'm afraid of birds now :p

[VHD_Rabbit]

Will possibly? Alrighty then.

Assuming it's possible for a moment: if she was a wren in another life, why would she turn back into one?

[walkingwondering]

Most of you will possibly disagree with me, but I truly believe in reincarnation. My friend passed away 2 months ago and used to say she was a wren in a previous life. 2 days after her funeral a wren came up to me by my house a started sqauking at me and following me in my house. I finally caught the damn thing and looked at it for a while. The bird just looked at me sqaure in the eye, and I swore I saw my dear friend.I gave the bird a small little kiss and I let it go and it never came back since that weird day!

This might sound bizzare, I know. I'm afraid of birds now :p

It is a sad day for humanity if that is all you have as a cornerstone of your spiritual belief. What neck of the woods do you live in so that I may check how commonplace wrens are there.

[BaDaSs_RedHeAd]

Wow, it's amazing how rude people are today. :confused:

I DON"T know why she would be a wren in this life if she was already one. I just felt a connection with that bird,k?

This is not my ONLY spiritual belief, trust me! :D

Do any of you know what or who you were in a previous life?

[walkingwondering]

Wow, it's amazing how rude people are today. :confused:
You said you expected us to disagree with you, do not be moody when we do not fulfill your secret wish of us all agreeing with you and telling you what an amazing story it is. Frankly, i think you are full of it or deluded. Do I believe in reincarnation? Yes I do. Do I have better reasons than "well, I saw a bird and it flew around me bunches and bunches." Yes I do.

I DON"T know why she would be a wren in this life if she was already one. I just felt a connection with that bird,k?
No, it is not "k". If you are going to start the topic, then you should be prepared to explain your bs.

This is not my ONLY spiritual belief, trust me! :D
So you have other poorly founded spiritual beliefs? Your parents must be proud.

Do any of you know what or who you were in a previous life?

I instinctivly dislike people who try to tell me who they were in a past life as 99.999% of the time it is bs. I do not like it when people try to bs me.

[Forelelyon]

I dont know about you guys but in the past life i was a nice big really hard rock. I was rock you heard me..

no, actually i agree with walkingwondering

[VHD_Rabbit]

I don't see how your feeling a connection with that bird would imply that someone else was reincarnated as one.

[Kiba's Girl]

Ok, Wondering, I understand where you're coming from and everything, but go easy. I mean SHEESH. I don't care if I get a paragraph saying how wrong I am or anything. I'm just telling you that you don't need to drop a mountain of wet towels on her.

[walkingwondering]

Ok, Wondering, I understand where you're coming from and everything, but go easy. I mean SHEESH. I don't care if I get a paragraph saying how wrong I am or anything. I'm just telling you that you don't need to drop a mountain of wet towels on her.


I am blunt and honest with people and expect the same in return. Given the nature of spiritual discussions I see it as the best root to weed out bs. I may seem harsh or cruel, but as I see it the real cruelty is in smileing and taking it easy on people to spare their emotions. I would rather be hurt and on the right path than obliviously happy and on the wrong. Thanks for the reply though, I have someone who understands (weeee)

[Gilenea]

I'm with Wondering on this one, too. One, Redhead's blatant disregard for my beloved English languaged irritated me, but then not to be able to back up her belief in reincarnation other than a simple, "I liek birsd lol"? Nuh uh.

I believe in reincarnation. I do not, however, propose to sit here and tell you that I might have been Joan D'Arc or Queen Elizabeth I, because that would evoke the ire of a thousand other girls who were also Joan or Liz, and I don't want to deal with that.

The wren might have been an escaped pet that was used to humans and had no fear of them. I think you are reading a little too deeply into this.

Gil

[Kiba's Girl]

Yes, I know that. I'm not a fool.

GOD!!! I wish I could say something without getting a paragraph that says I'm totally wrong. Everyone has their own beliefs. Since she hasn't objected to lying, there's a possibility she could be.

[Gilenea]

So go ahead and post. So what if we disagree? Shoot, WE could be wrong.

If you're feelin' froggy, then jump.

Gil

[walkingwondering]

Yes, I know that. I'm not a fool.

GOD!!! I wish I could say something without getting a paragraph that says I'm totally wrong. Everyone has their own beliefs. Since she hasn't objected to lying, there's a possibility she could be.

If you are going to post something you should expect lots of contradiction. Whats more, you should expect outright cruelty. Being online loses a lot of the subtlety a person has face to face. And with anything, if you make the claim then you best be ready to defend it. If I told you I became purple and flew whenever someone said the word "asparagus" you would think it was ridiculous. Likewise, when I get on here and see a person claiming what I know is either bs or a lack of soul searching then I call it is such. If I am delused then I expect people to crumble my illusions so that I can grow as a person. If you find your illusions to be sacrosanct then you have bigger problems than me responding to your posts.

[thedickhead]

[QUOTE=walkingwonderi ng]If I am delused then I expect people to crumble my illusions so that I can grow as a person.QUOTE]

So, what do you think of reincarnation? I think that is what this conversation started out on. I for one pretty much know that it is true. But then that is just me speaking...

Have at it. :)

lk

[perpetual sorrow]

On my previous life I was J.F.K. I have recurrent dreams of my death... :D

I believe in reincarnation, but I'm not sure if a human being can reincarnate on an animal. It's more likely to reincarnate in another human being than an animal in my humble point of view.

[McKitty]

Most of you will possibly disagree with me, but I truly believe in reincarnation. My friend passed away 2 months ago and used to say she was a wren in a previous life. 2 days after her funeral a wren came up to me by my house a started sqauking at me and following me in my house. I finally caught the damn thing and looked at it for a while. The bird just looked at me sqaure in the eye, and I swore I saw my dear friend.I gave the bird a small little kiss and I let it go and it never came back since that weird day!

This might sound bizzare, I know. I'm afraid of birds now :p

Most likely, you're projecting your feelings on an animal that you assoicate with your friend.

Or, and this is just an or, I really don't follow it, but to make you happier then some of the other responses here:

Perhaps your friend, having passed on and is content, sent an animal that she knew you assoicated with her, letting you know she was okay now.

[Locksmyth]

Meh doesn't sound any less plausible then any other spiritual belief at least you have a physical personal experience to stake your faith too.

I say good on you, and remember the only person who has to believe in your version of the afterlife is yourself.

Perhaps your friend, having passed on and is content, sent an animal that she knew you assoicated with her, letting you know she was okay now. I don't see how that is fundamentaly more plausible then what she already believes. Except that it blends better with the majority of religious dogma. Don't get me wrong it's certainly not less plausible. Anyway I'm personally inclined to believe what you said about projecting feelings.

[VHD_Rabbit]

I don't believe anything can be known for certain, but you never know, I could be wrong.

Regardless, people who think they know the truth annoy me. I prefer those who want to learn more.

I do not believe in reincarnation, as I have no evidence of it: only what people interpret as evidence of it (like the bird). Then, despite this, I'm not necessarily against the idea of it either (but if you use "we can't be sure" as justification for believing something, I will certainly be against that).

[---Arawn---]

On my previous life I was J.F.K. I have recurrent dreams of my death... :D

I believe in reincarnation, but I'm not sure if a human being can reincarnate on an animal. It's more likely to reincarnate in another human being than an animal in my humble point of view.

The original idea of reincarnation (in buddhism) says that you can reincarnate in ANY animal. That's why they respect all living things. That fly that you was about to kill could have been your mother in a past life...

[---Arawn---]

I don't believe anything can be known for certain, but you never know, I could be wrong.

Regardless, people who think they know the truth annoy me. I prefer those who want to learn more.

I do not believe in reincarnation, as I have no evidence of it: only what people interpret as evidence of it (like the bird). Then, despite this, I'm not necessarily against the idea of it either (but if you use "we can't be sure" as justification for believing something, I will certainly be against that).


I believe in reincarnation as much as I believe in god. There's no way to know, I just believe because it's more "confortable". I feel more secure and less afraid of death.
If there's a life after death (or god, or whatever), I always knew it and lived with it, if there's no life after death, it didn't matter, since I ceased to exist.
And if you feel better in believing that whenever someone says "aspargus" you turn purple and flies away, good to you. No one has the right to take it from you. As no one has the right in forcing you to believe another thing.

[Gilenea]

The original idea of reincarnation (in buddhism) says that you can reincarnate in ANY animal. That's why they respect all living things. That fly that you was about to kill could have been your mother in a past life...

A note to add to that, Arawn... In the religion of which you speak, they believe that humans, while they may start out as an animal, learn of the reason for reincarnation in their Homo Sapien body. The reason, you ask? To learn lessons. Think "King Arthur" when he gets turned into the ant and the goose (from The Once and Future King, people. Not the Disney movie). Merlin changed him into those animals so he could learn teamwork and subordination from the ants; love and family from the gaggle of geese. The same analogy applies to the Buddhist's view on reincarnation. Even if you were an animal before you were human, you were expected to take the lessons learned in past lives and apply it to your next life in order to do it "right." According to the teachings of that faith, once you got it "right," you were able to ascend into a higher understanding (whether there is another plane ((ie: The Christian heaven)) for that or just a heightened sense of being, I don't know). Bottom line is, you kept coming back until you got it right.

Just a little footnote. :)

Gil

[Fenris]

In my opinion life in an energy and, like other energies, is not created or destroyed but is simply transferred from one thing to the next. I do not believe, however, that you can recall past lives through dreams or meditation.

[walkingwondering]

The original idea of reincarnation (in buddhism) says that you can reincarnate in ANY animal. That's why they respect all living things. That fly that you was about to kill could have been your mother in a past life...

Buddhists were not the first to believe in reincarnation, nor do they claim to be. Hindus(as an example) believed in
reincarnation before the Buddhists. Buddhists, likewise do not believe people reincarnate to animals. This comes from a
misunderstanding of the Buddha's teaching. Most(I will not say all as there is no common concesus in Buddhism, and there are
many different schools of though) do not believe in a reincarnation mof the self as the self is an illusion, so a person
claiming a reincarnation of the self would be propgating their illusions. As I said, this is not universal. I am mainly
talking in terms of the oldest existing Buddhist school of thought(Theravada). Mayhana also holds a few similarities to the
Therevada in this respect.

Buddhists do not kill because no life wishes suffering and a Buddhist is dedicated to ending their own suffering and the
suffering of other life. To kill would go against this basic ideal of not inflicting suffering. For this reason, Mayahana
do not eat meat as they feel it would be taking a part in causing that animal a suffering. Even the lay Buddhists of the
Mayahana tradition follow this ideal. Theravada Buddhists do not. Theravada monks, however, are prevented from ever having
had contact with the animal and cannot slaughter their own food. (Traditionally Buddhists monks are required to beg for
their 1 meal a day). The Buddha himself has been recorded as eatting meat.


Sorry for the bit of tangent, just wanted to clarify(which I failed at) your misunderstanding of Buddhist reincarnation.

[---Arawn---]

Wow, a lot of things I didn't knew... Living and learning...

[Fenris]

Buddhists, likewise do not believe people reincarnate to animals. This comes from a misunderstanding of the Buddha's teaching.

So where did you obtain this information if you don't mind me asking?

[walkingwondering]

So where did you obtain this information if you don't mind me asking?

As the result of numerous Dharma talks, reading Buddhist suttas, reading general books on Buddhism, and the other Sangha discussions a person amasses being a practicing Buddhist for nearly a decade.

you have a problem with it?

[McKitty]

Meh doesn't sound any less plausible then any other spiritual belief at least you have a physical personal experience to stake your faith too.

I say good on you, and remember the only person who has to believe in your version of the afterlife is yourself.

I don't see how that is fundamentaly more plausible then what she already believes. Except that it blends better with the majority of religious dogma. Don't get me wrong it's certainly not less plausible. Anyway I'm personally inclined to believe what you said about projecting feelings.

Hence why I said perhaps. I don't believe in that myself, but I was tossing out ideas.

I do believe in reincarnation, there's personal reasons, and there's the reasoning that I don't want to live life on Earth once. Life's fun, once you get past the hardships and the sadness. I mean, pillow fights? Chocolate? Girl talks past 3 in the morning, probably can't have those as a spirit.

However, I would wish to reincarnate into a cat. Probably a Persian. Everyone knows how pampered those guys are. (Hint: Joking)