IF You could..

[Nick_Rodriguez]

if you wanted to be a wolf(even though u cant)would you sacrifice everything as a human to be a wolf?

[ThrasherCub]

Speaking from a selfish POV, without a doubt. My friends are half-assed, my family is comprised of emotionally-abusive drug-addicts, and I generally do not fit in with other humans - my thought process is quite different and often leads to a complete inability to communicate my feelings, which are also different than the average human.

However, I have things I can do here to help other people. The things I know are of value to the people of the world, and it is my moral duty to share with them. I have sworn to be the last to return to the state of Moksa, continually incarnating here (and therefore continually feeling the pain that comes with it) so that I might help othes.


A year ago I would have said yes. Now I must say it would be nice, but I have a duty to perform.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

Yes, of course.

[VHD_Rabbit]

Exactly what does "sacrifice everything as a human" entail?

[Lord Anubis]

I imagine it means giving up being a human to become a wolf.

[VHD_Rabbit]

I'd have thought that would be a given if you were going to become anything.

[Blue Eyed Beaute]

I would absolutlly give up human to be a wolf. I would only then be one with myself. Life would take on a better meaning to me.

[ThrasherCub]

I envy those who could give it all up and become a wolf if ever faced with that oportunity.

[VHD_Rabbit]

I don't see why it would be difficult. You wouldn't be able to miss it anymore.

[ThrasherCub]

Which is why it is so hard for me to decline such an offer. I have an obligation to the peoples I meet, and cannot turn away from it.

Besides, I do that whole reincarnation-karma deal. It would probably come kick me in the ass several incarnations down the line.

[---Arawn---]

Well, that's almost suicide... Except that you are still alive... :p Give up of everything that I learned and experienced, all of my emotions and thought just to become a "cool" animal? never...

[Louve]

I would in a blink! I love wolves and they are free, like horses once were and I'd love that freedom. Being human= constrained, contained and I'm tired of it! I'd give anything if the change were a possibility.

[VHD_Rabbit]

If I transformed into Disney-anything I'd have to kill myself on principle.

[Gilenea]

Disney-esque fur-coated humans are called "furries." "Furries" are tools of Satan.

Gil

[ThrasherCub]

"Furries" are tools of Satan.
We were actually talking about this at work. By the end of the night, I was giving everyone scritchies.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I think given the chance, mostly anyone would want to be something else, regardless of the consequences.

[sai-fujiwara]

I would most definitly if I didn't loose the ability to draw and read.

If it was temporary, then i would give up somethings to become a wolf. Or an eagle for that matter

[Lord Anubis]

NO furries please in this thread.........pleas e

[The Creation]

You really have to consider this. Would it be a normal wolf? Or an upright walking K-9-Sapien?(I just thought of that term, its mine!)
either way I would. Just to be free, one with nature. I would love to do it but would it just be the moon that controls me or my will? If its my will then ill go on a bitting spree and turn everyone I know. Is there the chance that I will die though? If not from the bite, then from the stress from the first transformation? Would I live forever not being able to die from age or desiase? Would I crave human blood or despise it? in the long run id have to say...yes just for the experience and basicly the sheer thrill.

[VHD_Rabbit]

Is there the chance that I will die though? Um . . . no, of course not. Whatever gave you that silly idea?

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

Nick said WOLF, so he must mean the literal four legged animal that you would see on the discovery channel.

[thelupineyoulove]

You really have to consider this. Would it be a normal wolf? Or an upright walking K-9-Sapien?(I just thought of that term, its mine!)
either way I would. Just to be free, one with nature. I would love to do it but would it just be the moon that controls me or my will? If its my will then ill go on a bitting spree and turn everyone I know. Is there the chance that I will die though? If not from the bite, then from the stress from the first transformation? Would I live forever not being able to die from age or desiase? Would I crave human blood or despise it? in the long run id have to say...yes just for the experience and basicly the sheer thrill.
What is the point of becoming a wolf with no human feelings? You wouldn't be able to enjoy it!

[The Creation]

you have a valid point. I wouldnt want to not be able to know what im doing.

[NizGarouPrincess]

Disney-esque fur-coated humans are called "furries." "Furries" are tools of Satan.

Gil

Really? I always thought furries were wanna-be therians...

[NizGarouPrincess]

you have a valid point. I wouldnt want to not be able to know what im doing.

Y'know, maybe wolves DO have feelings and thoughts like ours', only different. I mean who said wlves don't? They're socail animals, but what if it's not by enstint...?

[thunderhawk]

First idea YES!;for my blood burns to run free in the moonlight.

Truth NO!;like in that childs book with the critters....
you have no roof when it rains. no soft bead. food is a fight to get enuf to live at the risk of life in hunt.and only the alpha pair get to get it on.

give me a summer or even fall;but for life at the cost
of ALL inc. all I know of Sci. friends and comfort.... no.

[The Creation]

Y'know, maybe wolves DO have feelings and thoughts like ours', only different. I mean who said wlves don't? They're socail animals, but what if it's not by enstint...?

you may be right maby they have a better sense of reality than we do.

[ThrasherCub]

Really? I always thought furries were wanna-be therians...
Not generally. Some are therians, some are not, and I suppose a few wish they were therians, but that would have to be a pitiful minority. Therianthropy = spiritual, furriness = physical. It is also arguable that furriness is chosen while therianthropy is not.

maybe wolves DO have feelings and thoughts like ours', only different. I mean who said wlves don't?
Stupid people say that. Anyone who's ever had a dog knows that domestic dogs, a creature a sophisticated step down from wolves has feeling. If you watch discovery channel enough, you'll eventually see enough programs on wolves to come to the conclusion that they most certainly have feelings.

[DarkWolf]

I think the general trend of "I want to be this animal" or whatever is typically because people are tired of government restraints and similar. Because we live in a society we inevitably have rules and standards and by their very nature a ruling or imposed standard is a limitation - thus removing our liberty. Freedom means you have no externally imposed limitations - nobody else has control over you. Despite government implications such as being named "Liberal" or calling their country/ies "land of freedom" or even using the term freedom in a law ("freedom of speech") - the harsh truth is there's no longer such a thing as freedom. Yeah they say you have freedom of speech - so try making prank phonecalls, tell the police about an imaginary bomb, or telling the government where to "stick it" and you'll end up fined and/or jailed. That's not freedom of speech, then, is it?

People grow tired of government and think that the animal world is so enticing and beautiful because it doesn't have government.

There's just one little problem: you're bloody deluding yourselves. Pack animals such as packs of wolves or dogs, prides of lions, etc all have certain rules too. Monarchies are in place in the insect kingdom (colonies, queen bees etc). Even solitary animals like tigers still have to obey certain rules - especially regarding territory.

If you opened your eyes you'd realise that as humans in a human society - there's no factor that's unique to us. Tools have been used by other animals, buildings made by other animals, governments created by other animals, vehicles used by other animals, clothing (or the idea of it) used by other animals, manufacture used by other animals, farming used by other animals, even medicine has been used by other animals. Sorry but there's not a single factor of human society that's unique to humanity - we're simply a larger, more complicated and more extreme version of what already occurs in the animal and insect kingdoms.

Now also add that while from your external point of view you look at a life that seems beautiful - sitting in your comfy chairs and typing at your computers from which you can order anything to your door - the animals tend to have rough times, long periods of near starvation wondering where you're going to get the next meal and then having to fight and risk your health and life just to have something to eat. And that's just for you - what about the children? You're going to have to protect them from a world of dangers at a level that we humans don't need to think about.

So you're not going to gain freedom from rules and laws, you're making everything harder and you're giving up comfort and luxury just because you think it would be neat to be a wolf. I'm sorry but I pity you and your ignorance. The fact is you're in need of that animal instinct because you're too stupid realise you already have it inside of you. You are already an animal. If you crave such primal instincts - go to a forest or somewhere, a jungle, strip off and survive that way. There's nothing stopping you from accessing the same wild instincts of any wolf, feline, or any other animal. The basic instincts are all the same. You want that way of life? Go and get it, it's there and instantly attainable. It's risky, because there's a chance of being caught and jailed (like any other animal being put in a cage), getting shot (like any other animal being hunted), or attacked by other wild animals (like any other animal must face).

The lifestyle gained by being a wolf, and the instincts of the wild that go with it, are in everybody's reach at any moment. So if you so crave such lifestyle why not shut up and go live it? (Said that way to serve a point not to be harsh) Actually being the wolf itself is pointless - you go on about the "freedom" of it and the way it lives. I'm sorry but that's a delusional fantasy. It hasn't got any real sense of freedom and the way it lives you can live at any time if you make the choice. So those of you saying "I want to be a wolf" are basically bullshitting yourselves.

[The Creation]

Have you ever heard the term lone wolf? because that means freedom, it chooses to enter a pack and follows rules for the betterment of the pack! that is what freedom is about. Some where along the line humans lost sight of that.

[DarkWolf]

Have you ever heard the term lone wolf? because that means freedom, it chooses to enter a pack and follows rules for the betterment of the pack! that is what freedom is about. Some where along the line humans lost sight of that.
Not quite. If that lone wolf stumbled upon another territory it faces a rule: do not enter another's territory without permission. If it still does it faces a negative consequence for such action - being attacked by the owner of that territory. In the same way: a person has the choice of law - whether to follow it without consequence or break it and face consequences. Freedom for that lone wolf would imply it can do anything it wants without limitation from another's will - it would always have right of way in any territory whether than territory was owned by another wolf or a pride of lions. It would never be oppressed by anything or restrained by anything.

Yet in reality that isn't the case. A lone wolf can still be subject to another's will as much as anyone - whether hunters and cages, other wolves, other predators, and so on.

True freedom is a dream - no creature has it.

But therein lies the challenge: if you disagree and think any wild animal doesn't have to accept certain rules in regard to the rest of the world then you can always go and live like one.

[thelupineyoulove]

Y'know, maybe wolves DO have feelings and thoughts like ours', only different. I mean who said wlves don't? They're socail animals, but what if it's not by enstint...?
If they were intelligent they would have fashioned tools by now.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

All animals have feelings, just like humans. They aren't empty walking shells. Just look at a dog.

[---Arawn---]

Have you ever heard the term lone wolf? because that means freedom, it chooses to enter a pack and follows rules for the betterment of the pack! that is what freedom is about. Some where along the line humans lost sight of that.

Have you ever read about a lone wolf? Because that means generally a weak and starving wolf, doing anything that he can to survive... I prefer the confort of the "freedom" to chose when I eat, sleep, work, etc, than the "freedom" of doing what I want (or can).

All animals have feelings, just like humans. They aren't empty walking shells. Just look at a dog.

All animals have it... Few people ever think about it, but it's an instinct... But the feelings of an animal is proportional to his complexity (or brain development). Don't expect that a bee will start to like you...

[DarkWolf]

If they were intelligent they would have fashioned tools by now.
Why? Is there a particular reason why they need to in order to survive? Tool development was crucial to our survival because we're physically weak animals - our intelligence kept us alive. Other animals don't require the same tools so why would they need to develop them?

Although tool usage is a different matter. For example a babboon can eat oysters but they can't just prise open the shell - so they'll place it at a proper angle and get a right size rock and use that rock to crack the shell enough to open it without splattering the contents - so it can eat the oyster.

Bees use surrounding materials to build their hives. Bees are quite intelligent but in an instinctual way. If one scouting bee finds a source of food it will return to the hive and communicate with a "dance" that mathmatically maps out to ratio where that food source is in accordance to the hive so that the other bees know where to go.

Termites can build buildings that are to them what skyscrapers are to us - which is quite a feat considering they're blind.

Just because they show intelligence in different ways doesn't mean they aren't intelligence. Evolution works different for different animals. Try reading about the subject. ;)

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

If they were intelligent they would have fashioned tools by now.

They have survived all of these years. Why would they need such things?

[DarkWolf]

They have survived all of these years. Why would they need such things?
Thank you for summing up my entire post into just two sentences. :p

I am way too longwinded. :o

[Bantam]

Not quite. If that lone wolf stumbled upon another territory it faces a rule: do not enter another's territory without permission. If it still does it faces a negative consequence for such action - being attacked by the owner of that territory. In the same way: a person has the choice of law - whether to follow it without consequence or break it and face consequences. Freedom for that lone wolf would imply it can do anything it wants without limitation from another's will - it would always have right of way in any territory whether than territory was owned by another wolf or a pride of lions. It would never be oppressed by anything or restrained by anything.

Yet in reality that isn't the case. A lone wolf can still be subject to another's will as much as anyone - whether hunters and cages, other wolves, other predators, and so on.

True freedom is a dream - no creature has it.

But therein lies the challenge: if you disagree and think any wild animal doesn't have to accept certain rules in regard to the rest of the world then you can always go and live like one.

I don't mean to be an ass but I disagree with your thoughts on freedom. The thing is (as you stated) you can do whatever you want but there will be consequences for your actions. This doesn't mean that you don't have the feedom to do what you want it just means that you have to be willing to take responsability for that freedom. With animals, rules are a matter of survival. A wolf could go into another's territory...it could also jump off a cliff...both arn't the greatest ideas out there. In humans the idea of laws are to protect society. The idea is that we agree to abide by certain rules so that everyone may live safely.

I dunno, I guess it's basically what you said but with me having a different oppinion on the matter. I mean, the idea of living without consequences is rediculous. No one would do anything if it didn't cause something else to happen.

And in reguards to the whole furry comment...ouch. Not every furry is the same ya know.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

A lone wolf is a dead wolf...

[Blue Eyed Beaute]

I would in a blink! I love wolves and they are free, like horses once were and I'd love that freedom. Being human= constrained, contained and I'm tired of it! I'd give anything if the change were a possibility.
HELL YEH! :beerchug:

[thelupineyoulove]

And you wouldn't mind being away from your family, eating raw meat to survive, and being killed at the drop of a hat?

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

And you wouldn't mind being away from your family, eating raw meat to survive, and being killed at the drop of a hat?

There are some laws against killing wolves...

Anyway, mostly, yeah, I would still do it.

[Baast-Hathor]

I wouldnt want to be a wolf although they are beautiful, majestic animals. As a female or non dominant I would constantly be bullied and picked on if I wasnt the head female and even then the males/ alphas ultimately rule. In Winter you would face possible starvation, injury and disease - life would be really tough. I think we take everything for granted as humans, we get health care, food everywhere, no predators (we are the wolfs), a pretty sheltered lifestyle. If I could be a Wolf I would be a wolf for a day to see what a wolf thinks, smells, feels, how life is for them. I dont think it will be as free as you believe. (by the way, I'm only going by what books say about the wolf so if I got it wrong, sorry ;) )

[sabrina_lycaulf]

I basically agree with Beast Hathor. Just because I love anything canine doesn't mean I want to be one for the rest of my life! But don't get me wrong, werewolves are cool ;)

[Hoplite]

Well i won't give up anything to become a "wolf"..i am happy to be a human and i like what i am..

a human may be fragile compared to a wolf but he is more intelligent, works in a pack (similar to a wolf), and can manage situations better due to his greater knowledge...

besides..a human has a wide range of emotions compared to a wolf, he's even got feelings that the wolf cannot even imagine..

like all other animals the things that drive wolves most are food and breeding...but beside them a human can do lot other stuff..he can create, build and even destroy (similar to the wolf),, well i dont mean the wolves cant create :confused:



nEway i am sorry if i sound harsh..i appologise i i hurt someone's feelings..but are cool, the howls, the claws and fangs all r awesome...and their ability to move in packs kick ass :buttrock: .. they are furry large strong aniamls

[StarHowler]

I find it selfish of people to say yes. If you can say yes than clearly you dont care about how it would effect of those that care about you.

And if you think that there isnt a single soul in this world that gives a damn, Id bet money you are some angsty/suicide/Drama Queen or king teen.



I have wished for it so many times over. but when you really think hard about it. Are you selfish enough to hurt everyone else so you can be "free".

The animal world is more "confined" than many of you think. You have more rights as a human among socitey than you do as a wolf in a pack. And a lone wolf isnt no picnic either. also your life span would be narrowed to 15 yrs. at best. And since I doubt you are going to start as a wee pup. Id say you may have about
5 good years at very best

[ThrasherCub]

Way to rain on everyone's parade.

I like that.

[Thoughtless]

Right now I'd figure there's really no need to change, physically, into whatever you are. After all, you already are whatever you are. You can be completely content in a human body even if you have the soul/mind of an animal.

And at other times I'd take the opportunity in a heartbeat.

[Saint Harry]

I would like 2 be a hybrid not a complete wolf. u know, human but with wolf features and senses. that wud rock (slightly irrelevant but i felt like saying it) :D

[Pickle Tickler]

Yes. My life as a human sucks major ass. My 'friends' leave me at every opportunity they get, then say it was pretend and come back. I get pushed around at school all the time, and get into trouble for fighting back. My mom hates my guts. My girlfriend's almost always cheat on me. I'm always getting my heart broken by this one girl who I practically am in love with (she's my only real friend in the world too). My 'friends' always come to me with their problems, and never listen to mine. I have a crushed vertabrae in my back that hurts extremely bad sometimes. I'm the loneliest person you could imagine. Nobody even likes me at all, because I'm too goofy or too melancholy. I've almost committed suicide numerous times because of all this.

Yes, I would happily trade my life for that of a wolf.

[Thoughtless]

What is wrong with loneliness? If you can't keep and/or don't want friends, don't get them. I am very alone by my own choice, simply because I don't like the responsibility and duties friendship brings.

Alone I am free. I have one friend I meet about once a year for two or so weeks of... doing stuff. Then I have my aquintances whom I never do anything with. It's the exact balance I prefer.

If people cheat on you or betray you, but you still want friends, get new ones. Not everybody is a fucking moron.

Yes. My life as a human sucks major ass. My 'friends' leave me at every opportunity they get, then say it was pretend and come back. I get pushed around at school all the time, and get into trouble for fighting back. My mom hates my guts. My girlfriend's almost always cheat on me. I'm always getting my heart broken by this one girl who I practically am in love with (she's my only real friend in the world too). My 'friends' always come to me with their problems, and never listen to mine. I have a crushed vertabrae in my back that hurts extremely bad sometimes. I'm the loneliest person you could imagine. Nobody even likes me at all, because I'm too goofy or too melancholy. I've almost committed suicide numerous times because of all this.

Yes, I would happily trade my life for that of a wolf.

[Pickle Tickler]

I am a VERY forgiving person. I also don't like being ostrasized. They know they can use that against me. And I also am overly cheerful about it. After so much, I'm used to it.

Besides, I'd rather deal with a wolf's problems.

[Thomas_hye]

i wanted to give everything to be a werewolf not a wolf... but kinda yes!

[Saint Harry]

Yes. My life as a human sucks major ass. My 'friends' leave me at every opportunity they get, then say it was pretend and come back. I get pushed around at school all the time, and get into trouble for fighting back. My mom hates my guts. My girlfriend's almost always cheat on me. I'm always getting my heart broken by this one girl who I practically am in love with (she's my only real friend in the world too). My 'friends' always come to me with their problems, and never listen to mine. I have a crushed vertabrae in my back that hurts extremely bad sometimes. I'm the loneliest person you could imagine. Nobody even likes me at all, because I'm too goofy or too melancholy. I've almost committed suicide numerous times because of all this.

Yes, I would happily trade my life for that of a wolf.

Dude..... why is your life an exact copy of mine...... (except 4 the vertibrae thing) and i disagree with thoughtless. just cos ure friends leave u doesnt mean u r a moron. u make it sound like if u have a crappy life u can just go and (metaphorically) buy a new 1..... newsflash.....things arent that easy.

[Thoughtless]

and i disagree with thoughtless. just cos ure friends leave u doesnt mean u r a moron.

What the... how... what... :confused:


u make it sound like if u have a crappy life u can just go and (metaphorically) buy a new 1..... newsflash.....things arent that easy.

You create your own reality. It is entirely possible to just start a new life for yourself, it just takes some effort. Don't kling to the old and painful.

[Pickle Tickler]

Dude..... why is your life an exact copy of mine...... (except 4 the vertibrae thing) and i disagree with thoughtless. just cos ure friends leave u doesnt mean u r a moron. u make it sound like if u have a crappy life u can just go and (metaphorically) buy a new 1..... newsflash.....things arent that easy.
He was referring to my 'friends' on that one Harry.

If people cheat on you or betray you, but you still want friends, get new ones. Not everybody is a fucking moron.

[angery pup]

if you wanted to be a wolf(even though u cant)would you sacrifice everything as a human to be a wolf?
I would sacrifice everything I had to be a wolf. I hate humans, all they worry about is working. My mom never wants me to have fun. I also tell her that I am a wolf, she looks at me like I am crazy. Werewolves are real, anything can be real.

[angery pup]

I would absolutlly give up human to be a wolf. I would only then be one with myself. Life would take on a better meaning to me.
Same with me. I would rather be a wolf than a human, you know that. :D

[angery pup]

I would in a blink! I love wolves and they are free, like horses once were and I'd love that freedom. Being human= constrained, contained and I'm tired of it! I'd give anything if the change were a possibility.
Humans try to control everything they see. Its stupid, really. They have to contain everthing, like you said. Thats not possible. Nobody can control me.... except my Alpha, Blue Eyed Beaute. :)

[Defiance_of_Fate]

I wouldn't give up the life I make and live for anything. If your not content with the life you have now, what makes you think you would be content in another, human or otherwise? You get what you make out of your life. If you aren't content with your life now, work to change it. Don't just idly wish you were someone/something else. How would your life be better as a wolf than it is now? Many people just wish for it because the wish to be "free" in an animal form, but your only free because you don't have a high enough inteligence to understand any concept other than your intincts and emotions, the need to survive. If you really wished to be free you could leave your computer now and live out in the hinderlands of Canada or someplace and hunt for your own food. But you won't do that because you can't bare to leave your life you have here.

I like wolves too but I wouldn't want to be one. Thats just my say.

[Saint Harry]

He was referring to my 'friends' on that one Harry.
i know...i was referring to ure friends. why is this a problem. i am agreeing with u

[Saint Harry]

i seem 2 have caused alot of confusion....my fault i wrote that message in a funny way. im done talking about it any ways

[Newmoonwitch]

Although the life of an animal is beautiful, enchanting and most definately freer from our daily lives as humans, I'd have to say No to your question.

I enjoy having posable thumbs, and walking on two feet. I also am too attached to many people to leap off into the wilderness to finish out my life as a cute, but dangerous wolf.

However, the idea of no bills, no politics, and being able to kill whatever bothers me is very appealing.