Tribes of the Moon

[Tiamot]

A website (http://tribesofthemoon.brav ehost.com/)found by another memeber. I've offered to post this for them after it was put up in the wrong forum. It may be of interest to some therians, but it does seem rather creepy on the whole. There doesn't seem to be too much there at this point, but there should be enough for you to form some sort of opinion on the site, which is the whole point of this thread. Do you think this guy is for real? Do you think he's a load of bull? Is he displaying proper behavior or is he being childish? On the main page is a little button that says No RPG. Click that and read it. Tell me what impression it left you with.

(That said I'm going to keep my own opinion out of this for a while, especially since the lot of you know that I am not a were.)

[ThrasherCub]

I honestly can't tell if it's psychotic BS or a legitimate-but-creepy organization. I'm leaning toward the prior due to the following statement:

Surviving the change should not scare you. Once tainted you will have flu like symptoms. Many peoples bodies reject the change and have a flu like cold for a few days. Very few actually die from the change.

Equally interesting is a link they have to The Lycan Sanctuary (http://www.lycianwicca.org/index.htm)

[Tiamot]

Yes, I saw the link to the Lycan Sanctuary, but have to admit I don't know anything about it. Why do you find it interesting? Perhaps this will help me better understand the realative import of the Sanctuary.

[ThrasherCub]

What interests me so is just how legitimate it appears. Besides just drawing from wicca, it also shows Qabalistic roots, and the Qabalah doesn't tend to be a copy & paste with a few word changes - you have to actually understand it.

Looking at the influences on the Lycan Tradition (http://www.lycianwicca.org/lycianwicca/Influences/influenc.htm), we see that it claims to have roots in both the Golden Dawn and the O.T.O.

Both of which appear legitimate. The whole thing seems too outlandish to be real, but at the same time it appears to well-written and accurate to be fake.

[Tiamot]

Ahh understood. Which leads me to ask you (or whoever checks out the site) this: Do you think that even though their base is realistic and well rooted that this could perhaps be a case of an off the wall interpretation of those well rooted beliefs? Or perhaps someone who became interested in the base, researched it, and has then conformed it to their own view?

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I"m not sure about most of it. But some of the links aren't working for me...

[ThrasherCub]

I'm honestly not sure what to think. There's a good chance that followers of this religion (or walk or faith or practice or whatever it qualifies as) feel a deep connection with the conceptual spirit of werewolves, which would give them a very different outlook.

Would the Buddha say the same thing in America that he says in India?

Spiritual messages are custom-fit to the people hearing and following them, so this may just be a case of taking existing spirituality and molding it to fit a paradigm that, until now, has had no organized spiritual outlet.




But again, I'm terminaly optimistic, so don't put too much weight into my words.

[Zelanicatt]

This site could also be "legit" in their own frame of mind in that genius often flirts with insanity.

[ThrasherCub]

Spiritual genius often causes insanity.

Besides, don't you think there was a point when it would have been nuts to think that this random dude in sandals is the incarnation of God, sent here to die for us?

[Xavious]

Not sure. The only thing on the site that makes no sense to me is why would the person invite people to a moot but only telling which state it is in? Real or not, the creator of the site is someone I would like to meet in real life. And his 'tribe' assuming it existed.

[ThrasherCub]

Well the narrowing it down to a state might be a way to give people a general idea of travel time so that people know if they should even think about going, but without the risk of un-invited yahoos showing up, which is a real risk when we're in a genre like this.

I do give more credit to the Lycian Sanctuary than I do the Tribe of the Moon. It's less complete, and less-well written - but of course this may be due to poor writting skils in an otherwise brilliant person who has a chronic lack of time. It talks about surviving "the transformation", but then I've seen an alchemist revert a homunculus to it's original parts (which is really gross to watch - you only use a little blood to make them, but they seem to generate more while they're "alive"), so who the hell am I to say that this is fake?

Besides, I've been set up against the Theory of Infinite Halves. Just because something goes against logic doesn't mean it cannot be.

[Morgrim]

Well, I can't really comment. All I can find is a single post on the 'moot', and none of this other 'Lycan Sanctuary' stuff. :(

[ThrasherCub]

The Lycian sanctury is a link somewhere on the main site. I posted a direct link to it a couple replies up.

[XWOLFX]

I really don't understand the website all that much. It says that a change is comming in the form of a virus. Some people will reject it and get sick, others will die, and others will become shapeshifters. What is confusing me is if you join the tribe, how can you be sure you will be one of the ones that doesn't reject it or die? Though I'm sure many of you find this interesting (including me), it is still BS and just another group of people looking for acceptance together. That is what I believe, and it makes the most logical sense (a predicted virus that will cause shapeshifting, that an't too logical).

[stinky_hyena]

'Scuse me while I finish dragging my ass berries across the T of the M site... :banghead:

[ThrasherCub]

It never says it's a virus, it just refers to it as 'taint', which is by no means unique. However, I am certainly leaning towards "BS". I just can't come out and say it's BS for sure.

Curse you, eternal optimisim!

[XWOLFX]

Curse you, eternal optimisim!

Eternal optimism, lol.
Lets all be optimistic about something that is going to kill people as stated on the their website.

I don't know if optimism is the word you want to use when regarding this topic. Maybe curiousness to see what would happen to yourself if the "tainting"/virus did come.

[ThrasherCub]

I have this weird disorder in which it is infinitely harder to prove something non-existant than it is existant. A friend of mine explained that the only sure-fire way to prove that there is no Big-foot is to occupy every single square centemeter of existence, at the same time, and say "Nope, no big-foot here."

Most people would give up at "almost everywhere" over the course of hundreds of years. Not me however. Sometimes it frightens me.

As for killing people, I not only believe in reincarnation, but as far as certain people are concerned, also agree with Lewis Black's statement of "Kill yourself. You're better off comming back as a lobster."

[Tiamot]

Well, it's apparent to me that the LACK of information on the T of the M site is what is making it come across as BS. Sure, it might have a link to a valid site,but I could make a site about zombie chickens from Mars taking over the world and link to all sorts of truly valid scientific sites and still be way off. It would be nice if the site's author would give more of an explination as to what the taint is, and his reasoning for not giving anyone directions to the moot. To assume that 'real weres' will just find it seems a bit suss to me. I think he's going to end up sitting there alone.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I don't think I like the site. It is not very helpful.

[Bantam]

Both of those sites are BS. First of all, werewolves (and I'm talking about people physically shifting here) aren't real. Second of all...that Lycanthropy Sanctuary site looks like some weirdness someone put together in their spare time. There's nothing scientific about either of them.

[ThrasherCub]

I don't know about the spare time part specifically, but it certainly looks weird. Having said that, most religious / spiritual things do.

[Cheater388]

I've tried to make sense of these articles, but I still cannot make heads or tail of it. what I have guessed (assuming that all of this is true) is that "Loki" is showing coordinates of something in or around Nebraska (If I'm not mistaken), now, this might be the "tribe" at which werewolves or people who are helping themselves protect against or are going for some kind of werewolf pandemic, saying that the people that survive this "thing" will become werewolves. "This is a meet and gather site, not a playground." is referring to that someone who is of this tribe that knows how to use the internet but nobody else wants to use the internet. Plus, "Loki Fenrisulfr" I cannot make sense of this because it doesn't make sense; Loki is a god in Norse mythology and Fenrisulfr is a monstrous wolf that was the son of Loki and he was destined to become big and eat Loki; so those two words don't make sense with one another. That is all that I can guess, since I'm not good at this kind of stuff, don't blame me heavily for being wrong.

Despite This website talking about werewolfism as a contaigous thing, the other website offers texts that say that Lycanthropy is offered through incantation and spellc circles... I just took a small skim.

[Wulf_Ryder]

Greetings,

I've been around long enough to have seen this kind of thing many times before. As a Heathen, a name like Loki Fenrisulfr stinks of ignorance (for those who dont know, in Norse mythology, Loki is one of the Gods, blood brother to Odin and the father of Fenrir (otherwise known as the Fenris Wolf)).

I also found the rather tacky morphed image on the front page to be quite amusing (I did one like that of myself for a joke once).

I have quite alot of 'occult' experience under my belt (I hate the term 'occult') and I can see that where these people are coming from is laughable at best.

I have gathered a fair bit of knowledge on the practice of shapeshifting and its role in various cultures throught the world. It varies quite a bit between cultures actually. Modern day Druids tend to take a 'shamanic journeying' approach whereas others might 'leave the body' (which some might call astral projection).

Alot of modern misconceptions about tribal customs are down to the ignorance and / or stupidity of others (and admittedly I'm just as ignorant as the next man) and a good example of this is the legend surrounding the Indian rope trick. For those who dont know, this was basically a story that originated in India, where a boy (apprentice) would climb a rope which was made to stand on end with no support and then he would disappear into thin air at the top. There was much speculation about how it could be acheived such as the (master) being able to hypnotise the whole audience etc. Anyway - I was only told recently that the whole thing was a complete fabrication. There was never any such thing.

I sense I'm beginning to ramble now so I'll close by saying just treat everything with a healthy dose of skepticism and common sense. As much as we would like alot of things to be true, reality tends to dictate otherwise. Then again, reality might just be in our heads and everything we know to be real is just a product of the mind - but thats a subject for the philospohy section.

[Cheater388]

Greetings,

I've been around long enough to have seen this kind of thing many times before. As a Heathen, a name like Loki Fenrisulfr stinks of ignorance (for those who dont know, in Norse mythology, Loki is one of the Gods, blood brother to Odin and the father of Fenrir (otherwise known as the Fenris Wolf)).

I also found the rather tacky morphed image on the front page to be quite amusing (I did one like that of myself for a joke once).

I have quite alot of 'occult' experience under my belt (I hate the term 'occult') and I can see that where these people are coming from is laughable at best.

I have gathered a fair bit of knowledge on the practice of shapeshifting and its role in various cultures throught the world. It varies quite a bit between cultures actually. Modern day Druids tend to take a 'shamanic journeying' approach whereas others might 'leave the body' (which some might call astral projection).

Alot of modern misconceptions about tribal customs are down to the ignorance and / or stupidity of others (and admittedly I'm just as ignorant as the next man) and a good example of this is the legend surrounding the Indian rope trick. For those who dont know, this was basically a story that originated in India, where a boy (apprentice) would climb a rope which was made to stand on end with no support and then he would disappear into thin air at the top. There was much speculation about how it could be acheived such as the (master) being able to hypnotise the whole audience etc. Anyway - I was only told recently that the whole thing was a complete fabrication. There was never any such thing.

I sense I'm beginning to ramble now so I'll close by saying just treat everything with a healthy dose of skepticism and common sense. As much as we would like alot of things to be true, reality tends to dictate otherwise. Then again, reality might just be in our heads and everything we know to be real is just a product of the mind - but thats a subject for the philospohy section.

You, my friend, are so right...

[DancingArtist]

do you Know there's a tribe called Kemos who saddly is Half breeds of Weres and vams, But i shouden't say any thing censiter that i might be one.

[DancingArtist]

Maby i shouden't wright at all.

[WareW-Believer]

Just in case anybody wanted to drop in on their establishment. The coordinates he gave out on the site are somewhere near Warner Oklahoma. Closer than that I cannot give.

[specopssoldier]

my god.....you all need to get out more often. never went hiking on a vacation by yourself or any outdoor navigating experience?. or do you all have an tom-tom navigation kit or something?.

if you ever learned map reading and coordinate recognition and jou can read them properly these coordinates send you right into their location with pinpoint accuracy. considering the info he gave on location could not be better in fact. ;).

I live in europe so even if I got the time I couldn't come lol.
but please...things like things as gps coordinates are lack of skill and experience. I know some of you are not old enough that I can expect these tings of you. but try a little effort and use the internet and you figure it out;).

ps.

if I was able to come and lived near I would do an close target recon the army way yust to look what they were up to for fun sake:p

[Wulf_Ryder]

Greetings,

Personally I dont know why people are entertaining the notion of travelling there in the first place. At best, its a hoax and you will have made the journey for nothing and at worst, be prepared to defend yourself because these people could be a bunch of lunatics / cultists that will kill you and drink your blood for the hell of it. Where better to do it than in teh middle of nowhere?

[specopssoldier]

I'm an expert in self defense I can assure you that. but I understand your a little worried about other people or that below 18 or not good in taking care of themselves in a violent situations. but to imidiatly say they will drink your blood and all I don't know...i've seen some pretty sick people but never an group inviting people for the slaughter. besides...it's america. heard of self defense?.

bottomline is I understand you are worried but maybe its not that bad. I mean giving an pinpoint location and email adress that's real. so even if something happenned it will be found out who or why. but self defense is always good to have;)

[WareW-Believer]

or do you all have an tom-tom navigation kit or something?. if you ever learned map reading and coordinate recognition and jou can read them properly these coordinates send you right into their location with pinpoint accuracy. considering the info he gave on location could not be better in fact. :p
Actually, instead of tom-tom: http://www.terraserver.micr osoft.com/
Also, I'm 16. I've never been taught how to read a map (fortunately I taught myself) and I've also never tried to find anything with coordinates, let alone even seen any before. All I knew was how to read -95 by 35, I have no idea how to read minutes and seconds. Was I even close then?
but self defense is always good to have
Bring your Uzis!! I'm not going anyway. Cant ride my bike that far yet. (yet)

[Wulf_Ryder]

If you do decide to go ahead with it, keep people notified of where youre going and who with. That way, in the event that you do get hacked up / eaten / whatever, they'll at least know where to start the murder inquiry ;)