Personal Story

[wyrm-takes-last]

Short little paper I wrote a while back,

canis-sapien

This is derived from the word canis-lupus and homo-sapien, in other words “wolf” and “human”. Is there such a thing as a “wolf-human”? No. Humans and wolves cannot possibly be bred and therefore cannot create a separate species. Although DNA strains could possibly be manipulated, the structure of the RNA would not allow the process to continue and therefore nothing will result from it. Why then the discussion?
The difference between the two is deeper than physical, it is the mental awareness and perception. How deep do animals think and feel? Does it have to do if they are herbivorous, carnivorous or omnivorous? How does a human think and feel? Being humans, we should all know that. Can an animal have human perception? Can a human have animal perception? Is there something more into the subconscious awareness or being in humans and animals? Is there something higher than everyday life?
The biggest question here is can a human ‘mentally’ or ‘subconsciously’ BE, an animal? Yes. I know this only from my own personal experience. I know that it is not obsession because I have been obsessed with things before, physical objects. I know it is not a ‘thrill’ experience because I have experienced that thrill, the thrill of being first, winning a race, being the best person out there. I do not think it is possible to explain this kind of feeling to someone who has not felt it before. Have you had the experience? Have you had the feeling of such a strong connection with an animal? What is it? Why you? Was it something you did? Are you mentally ill? No, and no.
Many have chosen to call this “therianthropy”, which is defined as a mental, or ‘spiritual’ connection with a certain animal. Believe me, the connection goes much deeper than mental likes and dislikes. Why a certain animal though, do you in some way compare to that animal? Maybe, but you don’t have to be. The animal that you are connected to may in no way appear to relate to you, but then why the connection? That I cannot tell you for sure, many have spiritual suggestion though that you might find insightful. I can tell you for sure though, that if this connection is as strong as described, then it will do you no good to try and shun it, believe me, I’ve tried. Turning away from your connection can only harm yourself, not physically, but mentally it will stab at you like a knife. The best you can do about this is learn everything you can, meet your animal if you can, get to know him or her better, and you will learn more about yourself.
Does it hurt you if you see your animal being physically hurt or killed? This is another very strong sign that you have that connection with that animal. How strongly are you connected? Do you sometimes imagine or wish you are your animal? Do you sometimes get the urge to act like your animal. I can tell you that it is healthy to act like your animal provided it doesn’t hurt anyone. If you are in a private place, do not decline to bark or crawl on all fours or howl. However I advise you that in this human society animal action are regarded as taboo and doing so in public may cause trouble. If you are determined to make a stand and boldly pronounce you animalism, then you must do what you feel you must do.
What do you feel when you personally see your animal? Are you excited? Speechless? Awed? These are all typical reaction to meeting your animal connection. Then how do you feel when you are finally communicating with your animal? I know that when I do, I feel relieved, that I’m finally talking to something that’s ‘for real’. Do you sometimes feel like your animal looks at you as an equal? This I have also felt, but I cannot tell if it is true, if a wolf looks at me like another wolf. How do you communicate with your animal physically? Do you feel as if without having any other prior knowledge can ‘talk’ to this animal? This too I have felt, but I also do not know if it is true. Is you communication different that when the animal communicates with other people? This I know to be true, for communication occurs fully between both participants therefore the connection is different.
When did you start to feel strongly about your animal? Was it ever since you can remember? Did it all the sudden happen one day without any obvious reason? Did it happen when you saw a documentary about this animal? I cannot say whether this has any affect on your connection, as with people that have had it their entire lives seem to be no different to the people that it just ‘happened’ to. What I can tell you for sure is my own experience. All people’s experiences have been different, but they all have something in common that I hope you will discover.
For me, the farther I go back in my life, the fewer things I seem to remember. However there is one event in my life that I will never forget. When I was eight years old, my school went on a field trip. Being only eight and sitting in the back, I didn’t see much in the large gym-like room, just some ‘old guy’ talking about something in the front. As I peered around the corner I saw the most beautiful creature in the world. Lying gracefully next to the old man was what looked like the biggest dog I had ever seen. She in fact was a beautiful wolf with a gleaming coat as white as snow. At the end all of the students got in line before we left to pet the ‘doggie’. Something kept me from petting her and when I walked past her, she looked at me and stared into the deepest depths of my soul. Although I tried to make nothing of it that is when I knew that something inside me was wolf. I never saw that wolf again, but now I would give anything to go back, talk with her, pet her and thank her for everything.
What I know is that I am wolf, despite what you might see when you look at me. I dont know why, but I know that it is not an alien spirit or virus, it is me...

[DarkWolf]

Straight away there's an error. Canis-Lupus > The Canis refers to the family of canine and Lupus refers to the wolf. Homo-Sapien > The "homo" refers to (hu)man because the term "human" is actually our species' family name not our species name. It's our "category" after "mammal". Our current species is at the Sapien (means modern) stage. There's also been "homo erectus" or "erect human"/"standing human", "homo habilus" or "handy human" etc. So a "wolf human" or "human wolf" would be called: "homo lupus". Your term, "canis sapien" means 'modern canine' which is a pointless one. Wolves, and dogs, etc are all modern varieties of canine so they'd all be "canis sapien". Humans, however, go in stages - we only have one current state which is "homo sapien" still alive so we can call ourselves modern and there's no other species of human to be confused with.

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Next thing:

The biggest question here is can a human ‘mentally’ or ‘subconsciously’ BE, an animal?The instant you have thought you're an animal. Sure we have big buildings - termites can build housing colonies that are to them what a skycraper is to us. We have a society - so do other primates, bees, ants, wasps, etc. We have a language system. So does every other animal on Earth. We're intelligent enough to use tools and "map" things. So can babboons (tools) and bees (mapping). We can use surrounding materials to create other things - so can many insects and mammals. We "herd" other creatures and farm them - so do ants who keep aphids in a section of the colony. We have a government system - so do prides of lions, ants and bees. We have cars and other things for transport - some spiders use silk to glide in the air.

Basically NOTHING about us is entirely unique as a concept of our animality - we just do what already happens but on a larger and more extreme scale. Our clothes, buildings, society, personalities, tool usage - etc. All of these things occur in the animal kingdom already. We're animals and using a computer or putting on a shirt doesn't detract from that.

You should also look into mental shifting. It's something anybody can do and helps to understand our more primal innerselves. It can also be used with imagination and psychology to better try and understand the minds of other animals.

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Well that's it. The rest of your post is just personal romantic rhetoric of a common perception.

[wyrm-takes-last]

Straight away there's an error. Canis-Lupus > The Canis refers to the family of canine and Lupus refers to the wolf. Homo-Sapien > The "homo" refers to (hu)man because the term "human" is actually our species' family name not our species name. It's our "category" after "mammal". Our current species is at the Sapien (means modern) stage. There's also been "homo erectus" or "erect human"/"standing human", "homo habilus" or "handy human" etc. So a "wolf human" or "human wolf" would be called: "homo lupus". Your term, "canis sapien" means 'modern canine' which is a pointless one. Wolves, and dogs, etc are all modern varieties of canine so they'd all be "canis sapien". Humans, however, go in stages - we only have one current state which is "homo sapien" still alive so we can call ourselves modern and there's no other species of human to be confused with.

---this had absolutely nothing to do with the scientific relationship, i wasnt trying to be smart, i was just trying to make a quick and stupid comparison

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Next thing:

The instant you have thought you're an animal. Sure we have big buildings - termites can build housing colonies that are to them what a skycraper is to us. We have a society - so do other primates, bees, ants, wasps, etc. We have a language system. So does every other animal on Earth. We're intelligent enough to use tools and "map" things. So can babboons (tools) and bees (mapping). We can use surrounding materials to create other things - so can many insects and mammals. We "herd" other creatures and farm them - so do ants who keep aphids in a section of the colony. We have a government system - so do prides of lions, ants and bees. We have cars and other things for transport - some spiders use silk to glide in the air.

---there are a few things that stick out, no animals have the ability to destroy the entire planet, no animals have self-awarness of there surrounding, they just want to survive.

Basically NOTHING about us is entirely unique as a concept of our animality - we just do what already happens but on a larger and more extreme scale. Our clothes, buildings, society, personalities, tool usage - etc. All of these things occur in the animal kingdom already. We're animals and using a computer or putting on a shirt doesn't detract from that.

You should also look into mental shifting. It's something anybody can do and helps to understand our more primal innerselves. It can also be used with imagination and psychology to better try and understand the minds of other animals.

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Well that's it. The rest of your post is just personal romantic rhetoric of a common perception.

---thats exactly what it was meant to be... that why the title is "PERSONAL STORY"...

[DarkWolf]

there are a few things that stick out, no animals have the ability to destroy the entire planet, no animals have self-awarness of there surrounding, they just want to survive.
1. Neither do we. Yes we have some powerful bombs that are radioactive. But, they're not powerful enough to destroy the planet or even a large portion of it. Also, the likelihood of some animals surviving a nuclear war is extremely likely - actually populations would not be as devastated as Sci-Fi would have you think. Many WOULD indeed survive and adapt, mutate, and evolve. Tragic, maybe, but hardly "destroying the world". Nature started with much less - it took a piece of rock and made it lush with life in what, to nature, is a short time. If you think humans, a scientifically developed but ultimately weak species, has any natural or technological capability of destroying this world by any definition of the term you're living in a far-fetched fantasy world. We could do a lot of damage, yeah - but that's all. It also doesn't seperate us an animal either. You're not understanding what it means to be an "animal". Our technology - no matter how advanced or dangerous - is still natural. Nature made us, nature evolved us, nature gave us our capabilities, nature gave us the materials, nature told us how to use them. Sure other animals don't build bombs. Not every animal can fly either but somehow they're still animals. Not every animal can live underwater but they're still animals. To compensate for our immeasurably weak physical capability we have an intellectual capability that they don't. That's all. What we do with it doesn't make us no longer an animal. It just means we made a choice as a species. Don't presume that our making a destructive choice makes us different than animal - their are colonies of ants who will invade and annhilate other colonies to increase their size and resources. A male lion that had recently taken over a pride will kill any young cubs that are from the previous ruler. Not for survival. Not for food. Just because it asserts their dominance. Every species has the capability of creation and destruction. So we do BOTH of those on a larger scale - that makes us no longer animals? Please.

2. Yes they do. Every animal, microbe, and plant shows interactivity with the environment. If it doesn't interact it dies. Whether it is sources of food, hunting places, shade, water (for drinking or bathing). They also have personalities and make individual choices like we do. Of course not to the more extreme extent we can. In the wild those personalities may show a little yes but it's still there. I've seen it myself. Domesticated animals are given more choice to show personal choices but that doesn't mean they didn't have any when wild. My cats and dog have very distinct personalities. It's clear as day they interact and are self-aware with the environment. I think it's ignorant of somebody to say other animals aren't self-aware or interact with the environment.

3. Well of course they want to survive. If I took you, stripped you bare, and threw you into a jungle would you be fully "personal opinion" or would you be trying to keep alive? What's more important in that situation: your survival, or whether you like the taste of maggots? - As a starving omnivore I guarantee you'd not care about taste - you'll be eating bugs and animals in no time. Does that mean you're no longer able to have opinions or be self-aware? It doesn't. It just means that in that situation personal opinions play less of a factor than a manner of survival.

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thats exactly what it was meant to be... that why the title is "PERSONAL STORY"...
Doh. I actually AM able to read. (*gasp* *shock*) My comment was just to note that with it being personal rhetoric there's no point in replying to it - it's something that's been stated in varying formats again and again, subject to the same scepticism and ultimately futile to respond to with logic.

[wyrm-takes-last]

there is no logical explaination to therianthropy so there cannot be a fully logical reply to this, what are you a vulcan?

[MorganaFang]

there is no logical explaination to therianthropy so there cannot be a fully logical reply to this, what are you a vulcan?

Nope he's a moody Welshmen, that's why we love him

And really if you want to post something on a discussion board, make it discussable not just a rattling off because it sounds good or you'll make poor DW's head hurt.

[Gilenea]

A male lion that had recently taken over a pride will kill any young cubs that are from the previous ruler. Not for survival. Not for food. Just because it asserts their dominance.

A minor correction, if you will.

Male lions, upon taking over another pride of females, do not kill the cubs out of dominance. They do it to prevent another male's genetic code from maturing and possibly becoming a threat. The male lions want ONLY their DNA to procreate, which is why they kill OTHER male's cubs.

It's unfortunate and may seem cruel, but it's nature's way.

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And Wyrm, I think what DW is trying to say is that you're trying to make it sound like we are NOT animals. You implied that we must go to a different state of mind in order to "subconciously BE" an animal.

I'll disagree with you there. Humans. Are. Animals. Period. End of story. We are not aliens. We did not come from another world. We evolved from the same place as insects, turtles, dogs, birds, etc. To suggest that we must develop a different state of mind to BE an animal is ludicrous. We ARE animals.

Now you could amend that and say we take on the attributes and characteristics of OTHER animals... Or even that we, ourselves, become attuned to our more primal side. But you certainly cannot say that humans aren't animals to begin with.

And also, to think that your mind becomes anything beyond a human brain "pretending" (Oh, a bold statement, indeed!) to be another animal is silly, too.

Gil

[---Arawn---]

Our current species is at the Sapien (means modern) stage.

I was always told that sapiens means "that knows"... Thus, the translation would be "man who knows"...

[DarkWolf]

I was always told that sapiens means "that knows"... Thus, the translation would be "man who knows"...
Doing a search it actually means "wise".

[ThrasherCub]

SAPIENS, TIS wise, knowing, sensible, judicious, discreet; subst. m a wise man, philosopher.
SAPIENTIA, AE f good sense, prudence, discretion, wisdom; philosophy.
SAPIENTI-POTENS, TIS mighty in wisdom.

thank you

[wyrm-takes-last]

arg... the title of the paper has nothing to do with it, just pretend like its not there! anyway back to arguing with DW...

i am still conviced that people are in a completely seperate category than animals, for example...
Humans can kill for fun, animals only kill to survive.
Humans have sex for fun, Animals do it because its instinct
Humans hate, animals do not not, they exert dominance
Humans have self awarness of the universe. Animals do not, they just want to survive.
But most of all, Humans control animals, humans CONTROL... period. animals only seek a measure of control to which they can survive and continue their species. Humans control all that is within their grasp. Animals assimilate into the environment accorind to the climate and other natural factors. Humans assimilate the environment to serve their own needs and desires. Humans, WANT... animals, NEED. humans take what they want, animals try to get what they need. yes our mind is our tool, but it has surrpassed the uses of a mere conventional tool or means of survival. It has gained dominance over all things in nature, even nature itself. Animals do not see themselves as a certain species, so in there eyes, all species are the same. Humas see themseves as the superior being, therefor there porogative to dominate all lesser species. this is how hatred comes about, the superiority over one kind of humans to another, Animals do not do this. If you wanted to call humans "animals" then they certainly are the wierdest, most perverted animals in nature.

[DarkWolf]

Humans can kill for fun, animals only kill to survive.WRONG.

Humans have sex for fun, Animals do it because its instinctWRONG.

Humans hate, animals do not notWRONG.

Humans have self awarness of the universe. Animals do not, they just want to survive.Covered this, you're not paying attention.

If you want to argue then fine but do some bloody research. I've been studying animals - in books, documentaries, and with my own eyes and ears - for about 16 years now (since I was 5). You just haven't a foggiest clue about animals, do you?

Do some actual research first and THEN try to "argue". Otherwise you're wasting everybody's time with blind ignorance.

[ThrasherCub]

<3 DW

I feel like giving examples!
Humans can kill for fun, animals only kill to survive.
Then why do well fed house cats kill lizards and then fail to eat them?

Humans have sex for fun, Animals do it because its instinct
Dolphines have sex for fun.

Humans hate, animals do not not
My dog hates everyone (especially the UPS man), the sound of hail, and onions.

Humans have self awarness of the universe. Animals do not, they just want to survive.
Animals, like humans, show different levels of awareness and understanding. There are, by the way, some humans (some are mentaly handicaped, others have no such excuse) who have all the awareness of a rutabaga and almost as much understanding.

Humans control all that is within their grasp.
Actually humans influence most things within their grasp. Most humans don't control a thing, not even themselves. If we did, we'd never have to fight against a sneeze or a yawn.

Humans, WANT... animals, NEED.
Then why does Rayna like toys from HappyMeals? I'm pretty sure there's no canine instinct of Collect And Play With Toys From Fast Food Stands.

Animals do not see themselves as a certain species, so in there eyes, all species are the same.
Rayna (my dog) chases cats from a distance, squirrels up close, ignores other dogs, runs from humans.

So you're saying that she's just happens to choose the same response each time, and has no idea what this other creature is?

Humas see themseves as the superior being,
Yeah, nothing screams 'superior' like destroying the world we live in and shooting things way out of balance.

If you wanted to call humans "animals" then they certainly are the wierdest, most perverted animals in nature.
We are certainly some of the most perverted animals, I'll give you that. But I've got news for you about calling humans animals - the definition of 'animal' is such:

A multicellular organism of the kingdom Animalia, differing from plants in certain typical characteristics such as capacity for locomotion, nonphotosynthetic metabolism, pronounced response to stimuli, restricted growth, and fixed bodily structure.


Please read the top line of my signature.

[DarkWolf]

*hugs ThrasherCub*

*gives ThrasherCub a cookie*

[---Arawn---]

Just to add

Humans have sex for fun, Animals do it because its instinct

Humans ALSO do it because its instinct, no matter if it's for fun or not... If you don't know, humans have as many instinct as any animal... Mating, having friends, fear, working for money... All those are instincts... People tend to think that this is not instinct because it's dependable of the society. But they don't know that living in society is also a instinct... Most of your actions are ruled by instinct...

Bah, I hate those humans that think they're not animal just because they THINK that they have something called "reason"...

[MorganaFang]

But most of all, Humans control animals, humans CONTROL... period. animals only seek a measure of control to which they can survive and continue their species. Humans control all that is within their grasp.

*arches eyebrow* I'd say my dog controls me since she has to wake me up every hour after 3 am to be taken out, either to piss a helluvalot or chase damn rabbits.

Also the cats at the farm use to roam supreme and you'd have to be bleep'n careful where you walked and if you didn't bring out milk or a treat for them they'd cry all night, despite having plenty of food. We didn't condition them to do this, they were making noises one night and we just tried bribing them to shut up.
Those brats use to chase coyotes :P

[wyrm-takes-last]

well thank you for naming four out of my many reaons wrong. these were however the least of my point. Humans are a virus. first they consume all of the natual resources in an area, multiplying, and then in order to survive they spread to antoher area. Lets completely ignor everything that was just said above... The key here is control. Animals are controled by their environment. Humans control their environment. You see, i didnt say animals dont enjoy sex, i just meant that they wont have sex just for the sake of feeling good. An instinct is triggered naturally inside of them to mate, after they are done, they are done, they dont have an urge to do it again unless the instinct is triggered again. Another factor is ACTION.... let me put it this way. animals, react. Humans, act. this cannot be argued in anyway other than possibly humans react only as well. but this is false thinking. all things REACT accoring to their brain. but it is their brain which allowes them to act or react. In this case Humans can ACT and REACT, but animals can only REACT. and by the way... why didnt you argue against the many other points i made in my last post? You were only able to argue four points? you must be getting rusty DW...

[Blue Eyes One]

Okay, a few major misconceptions :

One, humanity does have a population cap, just like every other breed on the planet. You haven't reached it yet, but if you take a decent look at the second deravative of your population, you'll notice a fairly unpleasant pattern. As it is, most optimists are suggesting that you'll cap at 9 billion, although others believe that you may seesaw far below that instead.

Animals certainly enjoy sex. Some, such as octipi and dolphins, have sex purely for pleasure. Animals ranging from goats to wolves participate in a version of that more signed for a single individual, as well, which of course would suggest that they aren't just responding to the chemicals so much as they are to the enjoyment.

Actions versus reactions? Not only is 'fate' versus 'choice' a matter of many problems in your species, why are you so sure it isn't for others, as well?

That's not to say humans have some unique traits. I've yet to meet a canine or feline with the ability to visualize themselves, for example. But that's just a difference in brain construction, like your inability to notice blue as well as felines, or the difficulty you all have when first attempting to track something.

[MorganaFang]

well thank you for naming four out of my many reaons wrong. these were however the least of my point. Humans are a virus. first they consume all of the natual resources in an area, multiplying, and then in order to survive they spread to antoher area.

Okay, this is basic biology. Have you heard of animal control? Well, there is a reason for it other than to prevent massive amounts of roadkill every year. You see all animals have this driving instinct to survive no matter what, even if it is at the expense of another animals or even one of their own species. They also have a tendency to consume, consume, consume even though they are not hungry. Sound familiar? To keep the ecosystem from getting any more screwed up than it already is we do animal control. Unfortunately, nothing has been able to animal control for humans. There was viruses and a time when predators could take us down but we reacted to that pressure from animals acting against us. Not reacting to us, but acting against humans as a source of food and just to kill because we invaded space.

Lets completely ignor everything that was just said above... Well since you seem to only glance over a lot of what you read and probably what you've researched... Why not. Groovy.

The key here is control. Animals are controled by their environment. Humans control their environment. Uhhhhhhhh.... Humans adapt, aka react to their environment in order to control it so they can survive. Yeah we are control freaks in that but what about territorial animals. Ooooh lookey! We're on a site about wolves and werewolves. So lets use wolves as examples.

Now you see wolf packs find a piece of land that satisfies their basic needs, and anything else they "want". They "control" the area by keeping other predators out and sometimes even kicking out unsatisfactory pack members.

Alpha wolves are often big ego-manics, they control whether any of the other pack members eat or not. And wolves like any animal do have the tendency to consume way past need, especially when they environment is good enough for them to do so.

There are a lot animals that attempt to take control of their environment. But you'd probably argue that's just reaction which you're right. Therefore you must see that humans when they are taking "control" are reacting as well ;)

Anyway moving on...

You see, i didnt say animals dont enjoy sex, i just meant that they wont have sex just for the sake of feeling good. An instinct is triggered naturally inside of them to mate, after they are done, they are done, they dont have an urge to do it again unless the instinct is triggered again.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bonobo

Read it all, learn and research ALL about these apes because they pretty much kill your idea right there.

Another factor is ACTION.... let me put it this way. animals, react. Humans, act. this cannot be argued in anyway other than possibly humans react only as well. but this is false thinking. all things REACT accoring to their brain. but it is their brain which allowes them to act or react. In this case Humans can ACT and REACT, but animals can only REACT.

Animals have brains... and they USE them! OMIGOD. Look up stuff on elephant brains

and by the way... why didnt you argue against the many other points i made in my last post? You were only able to argue four points? you must be getting rusty DW...

Are you only paying attention to DW? Oi.

But probably the reason why not all your issues are being addressed is because people get so tired just ranting a lot about some of your points they don't really remember.

Oh and darlin, how does tribal people factor into your "theories?"

And please research Darwin! Won't you please study Darwinism?!!!!

[ThrasherCub]

well thank you for naming four out of my many reaons wrong.
I managed to bounce twice that. Before continuing this argument, maybe you should learn to count past five.

these were however the least of my point.
For the record, if you delete all the things I proved stupid in that last post alone, the word count would go down from 263 to 116. Since you can't do math, I'll inform you that this is over half of your post.

If half of your post are the 'least of your points' then you write like a fourth grader.

Humans are a virus. first they consume all of the natual resources in an area, multiplying, and then in order to survive they spread to antoher area.
Then why are there still natural resources in Iran, where genetics says we likely originated? We take too much, I certainly agree with that. But 'too much' is a far damn cry from all.

Lets completely ignor everything that was just said above...
How did you find yourself in a situation where you needed to say this? You're WRITING on a FORUM. This isn't live-time, dude. There's no reason why you couldn't have gone and done a little research and posted the next day. It's not a freaking pop-quiz, so you had every chance to make your post with reading, but you chose to spout blatant ignorance, so I most certainly will not ignore (because that's how you spell it. With an 'e' on the end) everything you said above.

Besides, this batch is just as stupid as the others.

The key here is control.
I think the real key here might be actually reading what other people say, as it has already been explained that humans have just as much control as other beings, specifically none at all. We all have influence which most people mistake as control, largely because they are stupid.

Animals are controled by their environment.
So are you. You ever sneeze because of allergies? Yeah, that's the environment pwning you.

Humans control their environment.
Which is why we get the crap kicked out of us by mudslides.

You see, i didnt say animals dont enjoy sex, i just meant that they wont have sex just for the sake of feeling good.
It was already established that some species do so purely because they enjoy it.

An instinct is triggered naturally inside of them to mate, after they are done, they are done, they dont have an urge to do it again unless the instinct is triggered again.
Humans have this same instinct - it is the instinct that drives us to seek pleasure.

Therefore, sex for pleasure, even in humans, is triggered by instinct.

Another factor is ACTION.... let me put it this way. animals, react. Humans, act. this cannot be argued in anyway other than possibly humans react only as well. but this is false thinking. all things REACT accoring to their brain. but it is their brain which allowes them to act or react. In this case Humans can ACT and REACT, but animals can only REACT.
What exactly are you trying to say? You're saying that the source of action and reaction are the brain... but then you say animals can only perform the latter. Do you think animals are missing a big ol' chunk of the brain, because that's what's inferred from your statement (besides that you're trying to BS your way out of this).

So... have you ever watched animals hunt? Isn't it neat how the predator sneaks around, predicting the prey's course of escape? You know, how one animal ACTS to predict the other one's reaction?

Am I the only one with Discovery Channel or something?

and by the way... why didnt you argue against the many other points i made in my last post?
Because most of us become depressed after being subjected to that much stupidity and few in their right minds would further subject themselves to it?

You were only able to argue four points? you must be getting rusty DW...
Or maybe he has better things to do than tell you how stupid your post was, knowing full well your next post will show just as much ignorance as the last.

[Xenon Greyfire]

Wyrm - let me suggest something to you.
If you are curious about a subject, do not make things up - wiki them. Think deeply about a subject at a time. Don't just rabble on about things that are not necessarily correct; that confuses the weaker minds, and enrages the stronger ones.
I'll say it again: WIKI.

Edit: Oh, sorry! I forgot to add:

http://www.itsthedoc.net/stuff/ownedjoltbullet-LaserBeams.jpg

[DarkWolf]

Wyrm-takes-last:

Or maybe he has better things to do than tell you how stupid your post was, knowing full well your next post will show just as much ignorance as the last.
This is the reason. I have done my research and spent most of my life around and observing (studying) animals. By no means am I an expert but I do know a few things. These things I have explained to you but you seem to just ignore them. By the looks of it MorganaFang, ThrasherCub, and Blue Eyes One at least have also done research and they have explained things to you as well. You seem to ignore their posts even more than you ignore mine. Why should I, or anyone for that matter, bother with you and your half-arsed theories when you can't even respect us enough to pay attention to what we say?

So I'm not going to bother with you. I'll wait until you've met the following criteria before spending time on your theories:


You respond to words of other contributors. They have put in their time and effort to respond to you and do not deserve the dishonour of being ignored.
You do some research. You've been asked to do this because most of us have done our research. It's not hard. A couple of sites, some books, a few documentaries - or, you know, just use your bloody eyes and take a look around. It's there for you to see if you weren't so stupidly blind to it.
You drop the immature "bullshitting" approach and actually post as though yours are not the only thoughts worth noting. In short: grow the fuck up.

I trust this list is simply enough for you to understand?

[wyrm-takes-last]

let me try to make this as simple as possible for the love of god. people are different from animals, no? people live in people habitats, animals live in wild habitats, no? MF'ING PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT THAN MF'ING ANIMALS... THATS ALL I WAS MF'ING TRYING TO GET AT... THE WHOLE DAMN PAPER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY AND VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH SCIENCE AT ALL, but psychology and phsiology, as well as spirituallity. so when i said was it possible for a human to be an animal, mentaly, i was talking about just that, animals THINK differently and FEEL differently than humans, so thats what i meant, stupid. how the hell did you get off rambling about biology!! i guess i just added fuel to the fire anyway...
so PLEASE... for the love of mmfg... STOP talking about biology and science, it was just a stupid story that i made A LONG TIME AGO!!!

[DarkWolf]

Ok, I'll bite. One question:

animals THINK differently and FEEL differently than humans
Who are you to say what they think and feel? You DON'T KNOW what they think like or feel like so don't try telling me what an animal is going to think or feel like. As an animal myself, I choose to take that personally. :p ;)

[MorganaFang]

let me try to make this as simple as possible for the love of god. people are different from animals, no?

People are different from other animals. Humans happen to be animals. Homo Erectus, Homo Sapien

people live in people habitats, animals live in wild habitats, no?
What the hell do you think our environments were before we cultivated them?

And what the hell about indigenous people? How the heck are you accounting for them when many tribes whether affected or unaffected by city folk still live in wild areas.




MF'ING PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT THAN MF'ING ANIMALS... THATS ALL I WAS MF'ING TRYING TO GET AT... THE WHOLE DAMN PAPER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY AND VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH SCIENCE AT ALL, but psychology and phsiology, as well as spirituallity.

Biology and science are facts, unless you're a creationist then well they're disregard-able because creationists think god pooped everything out.
These facts prove you that your points wrong.
psychology |s??käl?j?| noun the scientific study of the human mind and its functions, esp. those affecting behavior in a given context.

physiology |?fiz??äl?j?| noun the branch of biology that deals with the normal functions of living organisms and their parts.

As for spirituality, there is this thing called Theology which is basically a "scientific" study of spirituality. My very loose definition.

so when i said was it possible for a human to be an animal, mentaly, i was talking about just that, animals THINK differently and FEEL differently than humans, so thats what i meant, stupid.

Ehh insults are signs of weakness if you believe in what you do you study, present good evidence and siting of your beliefs. As well as present them in a good essay form that is free of unnecessary capitals, poor spelling and punctuation. This a message board though not school or the real world but still the rules apply if you are expected to be taken seriously which, honey, you are not.

how the hell did you get off rambling about biology!! i guess i just added fuel to the fire anyway...
so PLEASE... for the love of mmfg... STOP talking about biology and science, it was just a stupid story that i made A LONG TIME AGO!!!
Okay well if it's a stupid muthafuk'n story then why not put it in the story section instead of have a conversation about it.

And I say again, Biology and Science are facts one would normally use to back their points

Grow-up and read something more than just skimming over. For the love of god's boobs just actually learn! :P

[DarkWolf]

*gives MorganaFang a cookie*

[wyrm-takes-last]

Well I think we can all learn a valuable lesson from all of this. Don't listen to darkwolf, plain and simple. Now on to something more important, communication. Everything that is said is not to be taken word for word, it is meant to deliver a message to one or more individuals. I think it has become clear that you did not receive my message and I believe I know the reason for this. If you look at words from left to right, exactly as they are said, then I would expect you to get an inacurate message. The stream of words that was given to use must be uscrambled and made into a comprehendable message. To most people the process of deciphering sentences comes quite naturally, however I would completely understand if some people are a little slow at it. The process of taking sentences word for word is often called "being literal". "words in literal expressions connote what they mean according to common or dictionary usage, while words in figurative expressions denote additional layers of meaning"(wiki). Human communication is a mix of figurative speech and literal speech. Now please allow me to deliever a message and lets see if you can properly receive it. This thread is a discussion about therianthropy, if you do not have anything meaningful to post about therianthropy then please do not comment in this thread. I understand that the word "therianthropy" is not found in the English dictionary, but I'm sure darkwolf has already used it several times so it must be an ok word to use. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear that opinions discussed here were not based on scientific research, but I just assumed people were smart enough to know that.

[Blue Eyes One]

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[Xenon Greyfire]

I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear that opinions discussed here were not based on scientific research, but I just assumed people were smart enough to know that.
Ooh, paradox.

[Gilenea]

Well I think we can all learn a valuable lesson from all of this. Don't listen to darkwolf, plain and simple. Now on to something more important, communication. Everything that is said is not to be taken word for word, it is meant to deliver a message to one or more individuals. I think it has become clear that you did not receive my message and I believe I know the reason for this. If you look at words from left to right, exactly as they are said, then I would expect you to get an inacurate message. The stream of words that was given to use must be uscrambled and made into a comprehendable message. To most people the process of deciphering sentences comes quite naturally, however I would completely understand if some people are a little slow at it. The process of taking sentences word for word is often called "being literal". "words in literal expressions connote what they mean according to common or dictionary usage, while words in figurative expressions denote additional layers of meaning"(wiki). Human communication is a mix of figurative speech and literal speech. Now please allow me to deliever a message and lets see if you can properly receive it. This thread is a discussion about therianthropy, if you do not have anything meaningful to post about therianthropy then please do not comment in this thread. I understand that the word "therianthropy" is not found in the English dictionary, but I'm sure darkwolf has already used it several times so it must be an ok word to use. I'm sorry if I didn't make it clear that opinions discussed here were not based on scientific research, but I just assumed people were smart enough to know that.

First of all, you certainly aren't a mod in here, so don't think you can act like a "big boy" and say that this has nothing to do with therianthropy.

Second, I am HIGHLY amused by all of this. You flat out REFUSE to perhaps admit that your "story" has INCORRECT scientific information. You are calling humans something besides animals. I guess a hundred years of biological catagorizing means nothing to you, then?

We aren't bashing your opinions, if you'll note. You wanna call yourself a therian, go for it, kiddo. That has NEVER come into question. But if you try and argue that animals and humans are different species, we will rip you a new one (as you may have seen insofar). You can't argue opinions, but you CAN argue scientific FACTS that were true ten years ago, are true today, and will be true tomorrow REGARDLESS of what YOU think is right.

And "therianthropy" may not be in the dictionary, but you'll note that a LOT of other words that we use today like "chillaxing" and "happenstance" aren't in there, either. But you aren't being backed into a corner about subjects pertaining to that, huh? Therianthropy is a combination of "therios," which is Greek for "animal," and "thrope" for man. It's a "made up" word to describe something that there was no word for previously... Which is why English is such a fascinating language. But that's neither here nor there.

DarkWolf has FAR more credibility because he puts thought and effort (and perhaps PROOF) into arguments, which he backs up with fact. We listen to him because he is smart and has proven himself to be sentient. He's earned his respect. You, on the other hand, make these ridiculous claims with no scientific backing, nothing beyond you getting miffed because we're ripping your "theory" to shreds.

Go play in the kiddie sand box and come play with the big kids when you've grown up a little and are capable of taking what other people say into consideration.

Gil

PS- I'm willing to bet money he's gonna spell my name wrong if he even responds.

[MorganaFang]

A whole lot of contradictions, and bullshit

Please don't give me a lesson communication when you are so full of shit. If you do not want what you say to be taken literally then don't say it, plain and simple. Until you've had more education than the rest of us I will not take anything you say serious. You are not a genius and no one that has respond against your posts are not slow.

I've practically been through English boot camp (though it doesn't always seem like it hee), do not give me crap that what you said was some intricate paragraph puzzle because it sure was not written in that fashion nor presented as such. Besides, you argued your opinions as if they were fact for a long time.

[wyrm-takes-last]

First of all, you certainly aren't a mod in here, so don't think you can act like a "big boy" and say that this has nothing to do with therianthropy.

Second, I am HIGHLY amused by all of this. You flat out REFUSE to perhaps admit that your "story" has INCORRECT scientific information.let me repeat that, INCORRECT scientific information, hold on I think I missed it, INCORRECT scientific information, one more time just to get the hang of it, INCORRECT scientific information, I swear it goes right over my head, INCORRECT scientific information. Last time I promise INCORRECT scientific information.
I-N-C-O-R-R-E-C-T...... S-C-I-E-N-T-I-F-I-C... I-N-F-O-R-M-A-T-I-O-N....
Do I really have to say it again? (das Papier hat nichts, um mit der wissenschaftlichen Information zu tun) figure it out genius

You are calling humans something besides animals. I guess a hundred years of biological catagorizing means nothing to you, then?

I did not argue against any biological facts in my paper

We aren't bashing your opinions, if you'll note. You wanna call yourself a therian, go for it, kiddo. That has NEVER come into question. But if you try and argue that animals and humans are different species, we will rip you a new one (as you may have seen insofar). You can't argue opinions, but you CAN argue scientific FACTS that were true ten years ago, are true today, and will be true tomorrow REGARDLESS of what YOU think is right.

Once again... I didn't argue scientific data in my paper.

And "therianthropy" may not be in the dictionary, but you'll note that a LOT of other words that we use today like "chillaxing" and "happenstance" aren't in there, either. But you aren't being backed into a corner about subjects pertaining to that, huh? Therianthropy is a combination of "therios," which is Greek for "animal," and "thrope" for man. It's a "made up" word to describe something that there was no word for previously... Which is why English is such a fascinating language. But that's neither here nor there.

I expected darkwolf to comment on this... Mainly because it has nothing to do with the thread...

DarkWolf has FAR more credibility because he puts thought and effort (and perhaps PROOF) into arguments, which he backs up with fact. We listen to him because he is smart and has proven himself to be sentient. He's earned his respect. You, on the other hand, make these ridiculous claims with no scientific backing, nothing beyond you getting miffed because we're ripping your "theory" to shreds.

Well Congradulations DW for having a good understanding of science. I beleive that I as well as others can learn alot from a wise individual such as yourself. Unfortunately this is a therianthropy thread.

Go play in the kiddie sand box and come play with the big kids when you've grown up a little.

That is definitely what a mature adult would say. You're my idol.



PS- I'm willing to bet money he's gonna spell my name wrong if he even responds.

We don't have a thread for Grammer, spelling, English, ext....

and frankli i don giv a dam wat u thik ov mi spelng or gramaar :)


On the contrary I have taken in what you all have said very deeply and find it all very interesting. Still, more or less, this has nothing to do with this particular thread. True, I am certainly not a moderator so I cannot tell you not to post. I was just trying to give you some friendly advice, whether you are to take it or not is completely up to you. However at least now I learned that I have to post when something is not scientific fact and is purely opinion. This is not a story on scientific fact or principle. If you spot any incorrect scientific information in the paper, then it should be considered metaphorical or figurative.

[MorganaFang]

I'm the least mature 20 year old on the planet :D

Time for mimic game, ready? OK!

i am still conviced that people are in a completely seperate category than animals, for example...
Humans can kill for fun, animals only kill to survive.
Humans have sex for fun, Animals do it because its instinct
Humans hate, animals do not not, they exert dominance
Humans have self awarness of the universe. Animals do not, they just want to survive.
But most of all, Humans control animals, humans CONTROL... period. animals only seek a measure of control to which they can survive and continue their species. Humans control all that is within their grasp. Animals assimilate into the environment accorind to the climate and other natural factors. Humans assimilate the environment to serve their own needs and desires. Humans, WANT... animals, NEED. humans take what they want, animals try to get what they need. yes our mind is our tool, but it has surrpassed the uses of a mere conventional tool or means of survival. It has gained dominance over all things in nature, even nature itself. Animals do not see themselves as a certain species, so in there eyes, all species are the same. Humas see themseves as the superior being, therefor there porogative to dominate all lesser species. this is how hatred comes about, the superiority over one kind of humans to another, Animals do not do this. If you wanted to call humans "animals" then they certainly are the wierdest, most perverted animals in nature.

let me try to make this as simple as possible for the love of god. people are different from animals, no? people live in people habitats, animals live in wild habitats, no? MF'ING PEOPLE ARE DIFFERENT THAN MF'ING ANIMALS... THATS ALL I WAS MF'ING TRYING TO GET AT... THE WHOLE DAMN PAPER HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH BIOLOGY AND VERY LITTLE TO DO WITH SCIENCE AT ALL, but psychology and phsiology, as well as spirituallity. so when i said was it possible for a human to be an animal, mentaly, i was talking about just that, animals THINK differently and FEEL differently than humans, so thats what i meant, stupid. how the hell did you get off rambling about biology!! i guess i just added fuel to the fire anyway...
so PLEASE... for the love of mmfg... STOP talking about biology and science, it was just a stupid story that i made A LONG TIME AGO!!!


Hmmm.... Fascinating, it seems so fucking metaphorical now that you've explained it this way that I messed myself in awe!

Eh you obviously do care about spieling and gammar because, boy, have I noticed a change in how you post.

However at least now I learned that I have to post when something is not scientific fact and is purely opinion. This is not a story on scientific fact or principle. If you spot any incorrect scientific information in the paper, then it should be considered metaphorical or figurative.

How is incorrect fact suppose to be taken as metaphorical or figurative?

Metaphorical sentence: "I am left in a state of woe because I cannot understand your great genius!"

Figurative: "My pain, is with each prick that your words give me."

These sentences also examples of sarcasm :P

[Xenon Greyfire]

You know, if I were wyrm, I probably would have given up explaining by now. Or left the forum. Either one. So, kudos to wyrm for sticking around, even if he continues to argue about stuff I can't be bothered reading.

[Gilenea]

Hmm. Vote time.

Should I close this since Mr. Wyrm makes an excellent point that this isn't about therianthropy, and all we're doing is arguing in circles?

Or...

Leave it open and continue to smite him with logic and biology (the thread will be moved in that case)?

Cast your votes!

Gil

[MorganaFang]

Hmm. Vote time.

Should I close this since Mr. Wyrm makes an excellent point that this isn't about therianthropy, and all we're doing is arguing in circles?

Or...

Leave it open and continue to smite him with logic and biology (the thread will be moved in that case)?

Cast your votes!

Gil

Excellent point? Gil, you're being too nice :P

Frankly, this thread kills time for me and It's funny that this kid every time he posts something anywhere winds up against the wall going "IT ISN'T ABOUT THAT! IT ISN'T ABOUT THAT! QUIT TALKING ABOUT THAT! STUPID!" Though now he's attempting to sound a lot more "put together" and turning it around. It's so goofy.

Close it, he continues to think he's right about "opinionated wrong facts" are a form of metaphorical/ figurative speech.

Leave it open, he still thinks that and continues to argue or eventually just says this is stupid and this thread slowly dies to be revived a few years from now as a zombie post by a silly n00b :D

Either way, there is no convincing him of anything. This kid has tenacity which is definitely a trait to be commended upon, now if he could bend his will a bit and actually humble to the idea he may not always be right he could become an actual force to be reckoned with

[Gilenea]

Excellent point? Gil, you're being too nice :P

Well, he DID compliment me and call me a genius. ;) Look! *Points*

figure it out genius

I was so flattered, I won't even point out the lack of capitalization or punctuation. I mean, he's being so nice... I don't want to make him look like a fool or anything.

Oh, and I guess I forgot to close my sarcasm tags...

Mr. Wyrm makes an <sarcasm>excellent point</sarcasm> that this isn't about therianthropy

What "excellent point" really means is that he's trying to distract from the fact that his argument won't hold water, so diversionary tactics are his next move. Pifft.

Join the debate team and learn how to argue, kiddo. ^^

Gil

PS-

The biggest question here is can a human ‘mentally’ or ‘subconsciously’ BE, an animal?

So... Wait. You're not arguing whether humans are animals... But... In your paper... You SAID a human is... Not already an animal? That they must... transcend the horrible bonds of humanity... To BECOME an animal mentally?

But we already ARE animals! It's no different than saying a monkey thinks differently than a cow, or a cat thinks differently than a squirrel. Our level of perception and environmental awareness may be different, but it doesn't make our brain any less animalistic. We've just pushed instinct to the background because we don't necessarily NEED it for survival.

You saucy fellow. You're double talking and trying to confuse everyone! :D You should probably figure out WHAT your argument is... THEN argue it. Don't change what you're saying half way through and try and distract us with lame attempts at justification. LAWLZ!!!!11

[MorganaFang]

So... Wait. You're not arguing whether humans are animals... But... In your paper... You SAID a human is... Not already an animal? That they must... transcend the horrible bonds of humanity... To BECOME an animal mentally?

Heheh that's supposed to be that there figurative speech that goes over our heads, boss. ;) :D

[Gilenea]

Fascinating, it seems so fucking metaphorical now that you've explained it this way that I messed myself in awe!

Haha. You messed yourself.

I laughed so hard when I read that. Rep point for you! :D

Gil

[wyrm-takes-last]

You are right, all of you.

http://www.emryswolf.summer dragoness.com/images/artwork/old-anger.gif
Damn...

[MorganaFang]

You are right, all of you.
Damn...

Awww you beat me! I wanted to post a "mooning" picture.

[ThrasherCub]

I think that may have been the best researched post wyrm has made yet, since he had to visit at least one webpage.

[wyrm-takes-last]

Don't call me wyrm.

[DarkWolf]

Don't call me wyrm.
Why not?

[wyrm-takes-last]

wyrm is the enemy of Gaia. read "werewolf the apocalypse"

[DarkWolf]

wyrm is the enemy of Gaia. read "werewolf the apocalypse"
:rolleyes: - It's too pathetic to make any worthwhile comment on.

[MorganaFang]

wyrm is the enemy of Gaia. read "werewolf the apocalypse"

Ah so it's a metaphor for your real username!

[ThrasherCub]

wyrm is the enemy of Gaia.
Some of us in the beast courts are liable to disagree.

Silly Sunset People thinking that the Age of Sorrow will be the last.

Anyways, that you actually responded with something that looked a bit like offense is the single dumbest thing you could have done. You so just lost any chance of being taken seriously.

[Gilenea]

Aaaaaaaand I think we're done here.

/end

Gil

PS- Wyrm, if you don't want us to call you that, you shouldn't make it part of your USER NAME.