"Otherkin" Community

[Thek'zulll]

While I realize this site isn't pure Otherkin by any means, even in regards to wolves, there are some of this site as I understand that do fall within these lines. Since there is no links area, I figured the best place to include it would be here.

Greetings, I am Thek'zul. I wish to share an Otherkin community me and a few friends have decided to make, simply called "Otherkin".

http://z3.invisionfree.com/Otherkin

Most Otherkin communities of recent days are very stagnant and well, dead. There are several disconnected minor communities (big URLs or otherwise), but there isn't a single unified board. While this site is by nature a large site, it does not have a steady influx or member base.

Our wish is to create a single, powerful community that is full of discussion and interaction that pulls in members of the Otherkin community from all over, by instilling a positive and constant influx of members by word of mouth and, as you see in this message, communication.

We have a strong starting memberbase which is expanding phenomenonally, and would like to see people like you, from all origins, there.

Thanks,

Thek'zul

[MorganaFang]

SPAM-AGE

If you want to advertise your site, do it through banner ads or something. Don't go posting on another site, I'm sorry but that's like advertising for Taco Johns at Chipotle.

Your member base is expanding anyways so why bother advertising here? If you make friends on this site then maybe pm them about your message board or put it in your signature. aka "word of mouth" not spam forums.

And actually this site does have a strong member base, it just depends on the type. No we are not otherkin people. Just werewolf fans and your local cynical trolls come together to occupy a piece cyber space.

[Blue Eyes One]

Think you'd have similar luck herding cats, nyo.

Have luck, though. Most of the sites I remember are long-dead or dying, so I'd probably recommend just finding people you want on your boards and pointing them out, rather than spamming people who you may not want.

Have fun dealing with the schizotypals.

[ThrasherCub]

At least this wasn't just a quick "go 2 ma site" ad. At least this involved some thought, reason, and is actually in the right section given the subject matter.

[MorganaFang]

At least this wasn't just a quick "go 2 ma site" ad. At least this involved some thought, reason, and is actually in the right section given the subject matter.

Well yeah, but still. If they had used better thought, they may not have to go on an "Advertising Campaign" by spamming other message boards.

I have no doubt that there probably are otherkin types that would be interested in this stuff here at ww.com but as for the general populous ehh not really. Open up a good debate about Otherkin and a few of the regulars may chat it up but going to another message board... meh.

Usually if you want a good messageboard to start up these days you have to already have a big group of people interested in creating a board. Otherwise, those just started with a few people pretty much flicker off.

And again spreading it by word of mouth, :P Blue Eyes was definitely on the Ball when they said seek out people who are interested rather than a general group.

Man, I really don't have anything better to do tonight. :P

*edit: Thrasher, you're awesome!

[Tiamot]

Well the forum rules state that simply posting a 'come to my site' thread just to get friends or divert traffic to your site is not allowed. However the site has nothing against people sharing sites that they feel would be interesting to other members given that they have presented the site in the proper context. Given that Thek'zull has attempted to present the site,which happens to be his, in a manner that might be of interest to Therians, I see no problems with his post. To be honest what he says is not out of line. Many of our therian members would enjoy a site designed for their interests. While we do dedicate a forum to such things here, this site is by far not a were or therian site. To that end it would be no different than me starting a 'come check out deviantART' thread in showcase for those interested in art. Sure, it's not a site that I own, but its a form of advertisement nonetheless. Unfortunately there is a fine line between blatant adverts and merely saying 'this site might interest you.' As far as that goes it's really up to our Fearless Leader as to if this thread in particular is out of line. But anyway, that is my opinion on the matter.

[MorganaFang]

Well of course, Tiamot, when you all say it that way now I feel guilty for teasing. :p

To me it felt like the whole schpiel was a big snake salesmen pitch, and when I did check out the site my feeling was somewhat confirmed. Course now Thrasher is on the board so that's pretty interesting to watch.

I'll also have a bias against otherkin that is not that fairest.

In other words, I need to get over myself :D

[Tiamot]

Well at least you admit it right? Isn't that half the battle. Even I have to admit that I tend to get annoyed at such things, but that's simply because my interest lies elsewhere. However once I gather my wits I have to be mindful that other people have other interests, even if they annoy or seem inane to me. Beyond that it might give some of our therians here a place to run free on a site that is desinged with their interests in mind. If anything I hope that our therian members would enjoy and appreciate mention of such a place.

[Gilenea]

Personally, I see nothing wrong with the post. If nothing else (like Tia said), he was merely offering up an "alternative" therian site... Not asking us to ditch WW.com in favor of this one. As far as I'm concerned, it can stay... Unless 'Nubis says otherwise.

:)

Gil

[ThrasherCub]

To me it felt like the whole schpiel was a big snake salesmen pitch, and when I did check out the site my feeling was somewhat confirmed.
That's kind of how I felt. Seven, count 'em, SEVEN specific otherkin sections. I have never seen a use for these little groups other than making people feel special.

Course now Thrasher is on the board so that's pretty interesting to watch.
And to think, I'm actually behaving myself and I've resisted the temptation to introduce Discordianism to the lot.
Enjoy the show.


Note: Is anyone else concerned by the fact that nearly half of the members have an apostrophe in the username?

I'll also have a bias against otherkin that is not that fairest
Given the number of idiots (otherkin and wannabe-kin alike) who barge in here and shout about how they hate you humans (because we all know otherkin aren't human), I can't honestly say as I blame you.

Besides, I still love ya!

[Xenon Greyfire]

I think I have associated otherkin in the same category as emo. But being more accepting of people is one of my long term goals. I guess I'll start with otherkin first.

[Shield_Wulf]

In my own thought it seems that some people might feel a bit more conected to the term OtherKin reather then Therianthop. I know there no different between the two but I feel a bit more centected to the term OtherKin. And by no means am I an Emo or want to just feel special(just thought I thow that in). But it does seem that mosy people who use the OtherKin are the "I want to be special" type, but not all are like that.

[Xenon Greyfire]

I think we're referring to the stereotypes of therian and otherkin here, rather than the actual terminology.

[Shield_Wulf]

I think we're referring to the stereotypes of therian and otherkin here, rather than the actual terminology.

Understude

[Gilenea]

In my own thought it seems that some people might feel a bit more conected to the term OtherKin reather then Therianthop. I know there no different between the two but I feel a bit more centected to the term OtherKin. And by no means am I an Emo or want to just feel special(just thought I thow that in). But it does seem that mosy people who use the OtherKin are the "I want to be special" type, but not all are like that.

On the contrary, OtherKin and Therianthrope are two totally different things. Some consider therianthropy to be a branch of a specific TYPE of OtherKin, and some think them separate.

OtherKin is more closely associated with "mythical" entities. People who claim to have angelic souls, draconic souls, elven souls, ecetera are considered OtherKin.

Therianthrope is derived from "therios" (Greek for "animal") and "thrope" (having to do with man). So you get therios-thrope, or therianthrope. Animal-man. While you can consider a therian part of the OtherKin "race," I don't think you can consider a true OtherKin part of therianthropy.

Gil

[Xenon Greyfire]

Understude
I... thought you called me an understudy there for a second. :D

[Shield_Wulf]

I... thought you called me an understudy there for a second. :D

No, sorry. I can't spell all to well I'm really tiered(can't spell). I have to get uo for work at 3:30am and don't get off till 2pm. :D

[Shield_Wulf]

On the contrary, OtherKin and Therianthrope are two totally different things. Some consider therianthropy to be a branch of a specific TYPE of OtherKin, and some think them separate.

OtherKin is more closely associated with "mythical" entities. People who claim to have angelic souls, draconic souls, elven souls, ecetera are considered OtherKin.

Therianthrope is derived from "therios" (Greek for "animal") and "thrope" (having to do with man). So you get therios-thrope, or therianthrope. Animal-man. While you can consider a therian part of the OtherKin "race," I don't think you can consider a true OtherKin part of therianthropy.

Gil

Okay, that make sense. Therian is usally used when one talk about an animal part of them like a work, or a cat or something and an OtherKin is usally used when one talk about themself have something like Elf, Angel, Dragon, and so on right.

[Kale Sohma]

But aren't they the same thing? A person who beleives their soul is of another species. Whether be wolf or angel it is still the same. It's just like a demon and angel, wolf and cat. Now going as far as shifting I can see the diffrence. Do otherkin such as demons, angels, dragons, and such Mental, phantom, astral, and dream shift? Can they, they just haven't yet? So, my point in the end, are they really that much diffren't just because their have the not-norm soul and should be classifed seperatly?

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[Gilenea]

But aren't they the same thing? A person who beleives their soul is of another species. Whether be wolf or angel it is still the same. It's just like a demon and angel, wolf and cat. Now going as far as shifting I can see the diffrence. Do otherkin such as demons, angels, dragons, and such Mental, phantom, astral, and dream shift? Can they, they just haven't yet? So, my point in the end, are they really that much diffren't just because their have the not-norm soul and should be classifed seperatly?

This is where the crowbar separation comes in, so to speak.

OtherKin is a blanket term for all those who consider themselves to have a "different soul."

Therianthrope is a more specific term for those with animal souls.

It's not so much that they're different things, but things which perhaps wish to be differentiated. Just like some energy feeders don't like the term "psy-vamp," some therians don't like to be called OtherKin. *Shrugs* Personal preference, although therianthropy does seem to have a little niche all its own.

At least that's how I've come to understand it. Wiki search "OtherKin" and "therianthropy." See what you think.

Gil

[MorganaFang]

Otherkin also breeches the mythical because it is actually a lot more acceptable to believe you share the soul of animal rather than a creature that may just be pure fantasy.

Believing yourself to be a werewolf happens to cross into otherkin because that's more the belief that you may be able to change and/or that Werewolves exist.

I'm being good :P, trying very hard not to list the stereotypes of otherkin as well. For that refer to something I posted in humor. :D

[Thoughtless]

I have a hard time accepting Otherkin. One can hardly have the soul of a creature that doesn't exist, eh?

But then I figure, since the universe is basically endless, dragons have to exist *somewhere*. :eek:

[__Satori__]

But aren't they the same thing? A person who beleives their soul is of another species. Whether be wolf or angel it is still the same. It's just like a demon and angel, wolf and cat. Now going as far as shifting I can see the diffrence. Do otherkin such as demons, angels, dragons, and such Mental, phantom, astral, and dream shift? Can they, they just haven't yet? So, my point in the end, are they really that much diffren't just because their have the not-norm soul and should be classifed seperatly?


I'm otherkin, and I've physically shifted before. It's planeshifting, or planeswalking. Granted I haven't cultivated it as a regular trait, skill or attribute, but I've decided to start. Going extraplanar is part of who or where I am anyway, and it should be a lot of fun too.


Be well,

- Satori

[Gilenea]

Personally, I find fault with your statement, Satori. Planeswalking or planeshifting, as you call it, is not physically shifting.

Physically shifting implies that you do it on the physical plane, not on the astral or otherwise.

Gil

[__Satori__]

Personally, I find fault with your statement, Satori. Planeswalking or planeshifting, as you call it, is not physically shifting.

Physically shifting implies that you do it on the physical plane, not on the astral or otherwise.

Gil


Perhaps I misexpressed myself or misunderstand your meaning. When I refer to planeswalking or planeshifting, I am not referring to astral projection or out-of-body experiences. I am referring to relocating the corporeal form from the physical plane to another plane, and/or vice-versa. As such, a physical, solid, "real" shift occurs, here on the physical plane. Now you see me, now you don't.


Be well,

- Satori

[DarkWolf]

I.E. You're saying you can travel dimensions.

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Well, why not? We've had all other forms of superhero-esque powers and impossible beings allegedly posting here, why not extradimensional/extraplanar were-beasts? :rolleyes:

[Xenon Greyfire]

Semi-regarding the last few posts, I've wondered about a theory regarding the planes.

Most of us would have heard about odd cases where the astral, ethereal or mental planes have effected the physical. But has anyone ever heard of the physical plane effecting other planes?
The theory is that the physical plane is susceptable to beings and energies from other planes effecting it but it is incapable of directly effecting the other planes.

... maybe I should start a thread somewhere.

[MorganaFang]

Semi-regarding the last few posts, I've wondered about a theory regarding the planes.

Most of us would have heard about odd cases where the astral, ethereal or mental planes have effected the physical. But has anyone ever heard of the physical plane effecting other planes?
The theory is that the physical plane is susceptable to beings and energies from other planes effecting it but it is incapable of directly effecting the other planes.

... maybe I should start a thread somewhere.

New thread may be the ideal, though I'm sure there is one just like this somewhere. Then again it's probably old so yeah, new thread.

[__Satori__]

I.E. You're saying you can travel dimensions.

I have done so. I have not been successful yet doing it again, but as physical reality has allowed it at least once, the morphic field for it is already established and in place. I a currently cultivating it as an attribute, skill, or what-have-you.

Technically, I suspect dimensions and planes are probably different (dimensions referring, depending upon the context, to alternate physical realities and timelines on this plane, or, to metaphysical states of being which are spiritually transcendant of the whole space-and-time shebang, other planes and all) but that's perhaps trivial.

Well, why not? We've had all other forms of superhero-esque powers and impossible beings allegedly posting here, why not extradimensional/extraplanar were-beasts? :rolleyes:

While I accept the physical existence of Otherkin and identify as one, I suspect extraplanar origins for at least some of them. Makes sense. Those who are pro-Otherkin and those who are anti-Otherkin should take equal delight in the fact that some of us are taking our toys and going Home. (For the record, I don't identify as therianthropic, though I am currently working with the kitsune archetype for a few reasons, one of which includes strengthening my ability to planeshift. For the physical shifters out there, my sincere thanks for strengthening the morphic field making physical reality tolerant of physical transformations; it probably makes it easier to planeshift as well.)


Be well,

- Satori

[DarkWolf]

I so love how you try to make up technical terms like "morphic field" and use other terms like a pro, "archetype" etc.

Thing is: It makes your posts sound like desperately reaching for some plausible logic to use when you can't find one.

But who am I to judge?

[Blue Eyes One]

Just for those interested, morphic field (and the related morphogenic and morphogenetic fields) was a term originally coined to deal with the confusion of why things took their current shape, particularly biological systems which, despite having the same basic building blocks, could become drastically different. For example, the skin cell attached to a strand of hair has the exact same genetic code as a cell in your brain or your heart. It remained described even DNA was discovered, although our understanding of selective genetic site activation has made it significantly less popular.

The most enduring experiment suggesting the existance of a morphic field (or, really, anything remotely holistic about human capabilities), was Sheldrake's "Staring Experiment", where a blindfolded individual guessed correctly if someone was staring at them 60% of the time, as opposed to 50% accuracy when there was no starer (this is his only major experiment to be both fully replicated and minimally refuted. It does, however, get sliced to ribbons by Occam's Razor).

The existance of morphic fields isn't really accepted by the scientific community, or even most of the New Age one. It is, however, a 'real' word, around since 1973. It's also quite justifiable to have to 'reach' for explanations when an existing mechanism doesn't describe the matter (we aren't all scientists).

As to Satori's claims... whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'm not a planar expert - don't even have the ability to observe everything on this one - but a few aspects seem a little strange to me.

First, it seems like a good many aspects on the physical plane would be capable of affecting other planes, otherwise there'd be no real purpose to worship, and because things like psychoactive drugs would be incapable of affecting the mental plane otherwise.

Second, I'm doubtful my abilitu to shift affects your morphic field, if that even exists. You've got no evidence it occurs on anything but a physical level (and, again, Occam's Razor suggests to assume the simplest answer).

Third, how are you sure the event was a planar movement instead of, say, a hallucination or some form of physical and mental projection?

[DarkWolf]

Thanks for the info, blueeyes.

I mean Blue Eyes One.

[MorganaFang]

Thanks for the info, blueeyes.

I mean Blue Eyes One.

I'm so confused! they are not the same person?! :confused:

[DarkWolf]

I'm so confused! they are not the same person?! :confused:
They are, I think, hence why I put that there rather than use my backspace key. ;)

My brain is screwy right now. Expect weirdness. :p

[Blue Eyes One]

Yeah... sorry about the namechange. Same me, though, insanity and all.

[DarkWolf]

*gives up*

My brain is fuckered. I can't be arsed.

*resolves himself to getting a cola drink and pelting cookies at people*

[__Satori__]

The existance of morphic fields isn't really accepted by the scientific community, or even most of the New Age one. It is, however, a 'real' word, around since 1973. It's also quite justifiable to have to 'reach' for explanations when an existing mechanism doesn't describe the matter (we aren't all scientists).

Thanky for the informative post by the way, Blue Eyes One. I've read about other discoveries which led to the discovery of morphic fields. In one, scientists were attempting to synthesize a new, artificial crystaline formation. It took a duration of X the first time. The next time other scientists, elsewhere, attempted to synthesize the same formation under the same lab conditions, it took less than X amount of time. The difference in the time it took baffled them, as the lab conditions were the same. They tried everything to account for the difference, even suggesting that perhaps some of the crystaline matrix formed in the first experiment had been unintentionally brought into the second experiment, perhaps a few molecules in the beard of one of the scientists, and that caused it to form more rapidly in the second instance. But no, none of the scientists from the first experiment were even present at the second, and it took place half a world away. No explanation was found...

A little while later, in New Zealand (I love this story)... In New Zealand, people grow a lot of sheep there. A lot. Like they have tract suburban housing over here, each unit identical and made from the same blueprints, down there all across the countryside their sheep farms are done essentially the same way. It's cheaper. So they're all built to the same design specifications. Well, there's this rolling conveyor belt where the sheep are placed that brings them to where they get shorn. These places have been functional for decades, but one day this sheep noticed that if it lays down on the conveyor belt, it can wriggle its way underneath the fence and get out into the pasture without being shorn. Obviously, one unshorn sheep among the rest is a little noticable, which is why we have this story. But the interesting thing about it is that, within about three months, sheep in different facilities all over New Zealand are starting to lay down and wriggle their way under the fences and back out into the pastures without being shorn. Now, this is odd since the first sheep didn't exactly go on a lecture circuit about the discovery. They just all started "getting it", simultaneously.

When these discoveries were compared, scientists started theorizing that information is non-localized in nature. Meaning, information available anywhere is essentially available everywhere else. Kind of like an archetypal energy pattern, kind of like the concept of the Akashic Records, kind of like the Christian's Bible where it says in Hebrews that the law shall be written on one's mind and in one's heart. Or like the way my grandfather used to say that if you get an idea and don't use it, it goes somewhere else until someone does. Morphic fields can be concepts, or even the ideas physical reality has about what's possible and what's not, be it the ten-minute mile or physical shapeshifting. Evidently, the more it's thought about, dwelt on, done, or otherwise "activated" (invoked), the stronger it gets and the more easily what it represents can be done. Chaos magicians make excellent use of this concept, using magickal rituals and beliefs not of their native system simply because others do use them successfully, and therefore the morphic field is strong, so as long as the chaos magician believes that's enough for it to work, it does.

As to Satori's claims... whatever floats your boat, I guess. I'm not a planar expert - don't even have the ability to observe everything on this one - but a few aspects seem a little strange to me.

First, it seems like a good many aspects on the physical plane would be capable of affecting other planes, otherwise there'd be no real purpose to worship, and because things like psychoactive drugs would be incapable of affecting the mental plane otherwise.

I was reading about silver in a book on shapeshifting the other day. Apparently gold and silver have a little bit of a presence "over there" as well as here, which explains a little about some of their metaphysical properties. I suspect you're correct, Blue Eyes One.

Second, I'm doubtful my abilitu to shift affects your morphic field, if that even exists. You've got no evidence it occurs on anything but a physical level (and, again, Occam's Razor suggests to assume the simplest answer).

Perhaps you're correct there as well; I don't know for certain. What I had been getting at is that anything which makes physical reality "bendy" in unconventional ways makes it more accomodating to other nonstandard physical stuff. If physical reality is made more tolerant of physical shifting, I suspect that it would therefore be more tolerant of things like teleportation and planeshifting for similar reasons. The "rule" saying that people are physically "stuck" a certain way, and can't transform, disappear, float, become clouds of fog, and so on loses its grip. But that's just my hunch.

Third, how are you sure the event was a planar movement instead of, say, a hallucination or some form of physical and mental projection?

About as sure as I am of most things, I guess. I hadn't taken drugs at that point in my life, specifically so that any paranormal phenomenon I might encounter wouldn't be dismissable as some kind of flashback. The phenomenon was experienced by myself and simultaneously witnessed (and commented on) by someone else (I hadn't told him what I was attempting to do, merely asked him to watch and tell me what, if anything, he saw happening). As for some form of physical or mental projection, I would say that's probably a good description of planeshifting. One "mentally" projects off-plane, and Wills oneself to "be there more" until the physical form, too, is projected.

They're good questions to ask, at any rate. Thanks for the feedback.


Be well,

- Satori

[__Satori__]

Semi-regarding the last few posts, I've wondered about a theory regarding the planes.

Most of us would have heard about odd cases where the astral, ethereal or mental planes have effected the physical. But has anyone ever heard of the physical plane effecting other planes?
The theory is that the physical plane is susceptable to beings and energies from other planes effecting it but it is incapable of directly effecting the other planes.

... maybe I should start a thread somewhere.

Interesting. I was walking home one night a few years ago and, just for lack of anything else to do, I was playing with some ethereal energy. Just sort of juggling and swirling balls of it around, slightly larger than my fist. Well, a car was coming closer up head of me, and I didn't want to look weird, so before it got close to me I absently flicked the stuff away from me and resumed walking normally. It hadn't even occurred to me as important that I'd flicked it in the direction of the car; it wasn't on this plane, and I'd only had a few telepaths and other psychics who could see my little projections. The point at which the path of the ball intersected with the car, the car (which was driving at a reasonable speed late at night down a residential street) suddenly screeched wildly off to the side of the road for no visible reason and died. As I kept walking, approaching and passing it, the guy in the car just sat there for a few moments. Then he tried to start up the car. Rrrrrr-Rrrrrr-Rrrrrr. Rrrrrr-Rrrrrr-Rrrrr. -pause- Rrrrrr-Rrrrrr-Rrrrrr. Whoops. I didn't know what to do or say, at the time. So I just kept going. I was kind of surprised; I hadn't even intended for the energy to interact with the car, let alone "do" anything.

As for this plane affecting others, no, I haven't heard much about that. I don't go "astral", I seem to be ethereally-based, but I'm currently physically here and create stuff ethereally. So do the Tibettan Buddhist monks when they create thoughtforms and make them physically solid (they're called tulpas, and can be anything imaginable, whether naturally feasible or not, inanimate or animate). That's, I've been told, how they do the Indian Rope Trick in India as well. The fellow climbs the rope and disappears, because he was never really "real", but a solidified thoughtform created by someone else. But that's about the extent of it.

I suspect that it's a matter of vibrational frequency. The physical realm is the solidest, I believe. Very heavy and clunky and dense, but not a lot of higher spiritual vibration. So it has difficulty "reaching" into the "upper bandwidth" planes. But the more diffuse, "higher frequency" planes can affect the physical plane, even if the problem for them is getting the "oomph" needed for interacting solidly for anything more than a moment. That's my take on it, at least.


Be well,

- Satori

[Xenon Greyfire]

That's a very educated guess by the looks of things, Satori. I'm glad someone comprehended, agreed with, and 'smarted-up' my post.
:D

[Okori Tenko]

Now here's an interesting topic. One I can relate to more readily than others, but where to begin?...

A question for all of those who are 'not' wanting to consider themselves as 'Other-Kin':

Is there a segregation to what is and is not? What can be construed as fantasy and what is not?

Surely all of us at one time or another has felt the stinging pain of what it means to be segregated, for one purpose or another, whether done by the mass, or by the self. Each of us looks to one another here, and other places for the want of acceptance for what we believe about ourselves.

Does that mean that just because a connection to something 'real or unreal' is any different? Could it not be construed by the majority of the world as an inner madness?

I'll ask this, then:

Why is it that we are here?

I can tell you why and give you a purposeful proposal that might change your mind in certain ways.

We're all drawn to places like this, and to each other, for the same reasons. Mystery. We don't know why we really feel what we do. We just make the closest approximation, and try to be satisfied with that. Though, in retrospect, we all, whether we are therian, or otherkin, never be satisfied with what we find. We all draw on the same element, each in our own ways.

That element, is the Element of Contradiction.

"We exsist, but we do not. It is why we exsist, to keep the pathways open to the great Mystery. That is how we exsist. We exsist to Contradict. The more contradiction, the stronger we exsist. We gather here to give strength to our contradictions. To our differences and abilities. Were we not to have each ohter, we would not exsist at all. It is our community, and those that believe in us that give proof to our exsistance. And still, in our deepest hearts, we should not exsist, but we do and we thrive. We are."

~Xion Xain~

The First Lesson of Exsistance~

That speaks for itself. Basically, I could try to explain to you all day who and what I am, why I feel this way, the proofs that I've found that have lead me to believe in what I believe now, but that exsistance is only for me. Still, it doesn't mean that you have to believe in me for me to exsist. There are others that do. There are others that always will. That gives me my strength, and again, it's what gives each of you, in turn, your reasons for exsisting, and communing in this place, and places like these. It's the strength of belief.

Who cares if we are different. Perhapse what those who are other-kin see themselves as is just a longer descent down the path you who claim are therians are already on. It is just another form of possibility to what is, could have been, or even is natural? Or is it that we Other-kin are remnants of an older and outdated path that we are stuck on, and can't get off of?

Isn't that the path all therians are on as well?

Will we ever be able to tell?

If not, then why do we descided to segregate?

Remember, there's always been pups and kits that have come with great ideas of what is and what is not, believing in it so strongly, even though it's madness. For instance, those who are young, say 12-16 still searching for an answer to why she's so much like a cat that it's infuriating, frustrating, sees a picture of a werecat. Then wonders about that possibility because of the 'chord' it strikes within them. They come to this board thinking that must b3e the key, that she's a werecat.

Though each of you can tell through what she's experienced, as she explains it, can tell that she is, in fact, a feline therianthrope. Yet, she still wants to hold onto that thought that she is that magnificent beast.

What do you do? Tell her she's a fake and run her off? Chide her into believing that she's not that, even though it pains you to have her around for a while, until she learns better, and then becomes jaded? Do you try to show her around the boards to help her learn, show her the facts that you have, share gently with her what you know so that she can become a productive member on the boards?

We, who are otherkin, also have young who are fantastically. We also have the commoner who wants to fit in, and is not anything near what we are.We have to teach them what we older do know, so that we have a lineage. You are all allotted time. You allot other thier. Please, allot us our time.

After all, if I remember correctly, there IS still such a thing as Poly-therians. Isn't that just as fantastic as those who are other-kin? Could not otherkin, those with hearts set in the forms of chimera-forms, be Poly-therians? How much would you loose out on, if it was not for the occassional madness we bring to make you laugh? How hard would you cry, when we are gone?

Just a few thoughts.

[Okori Tenko]

Kind of fun, actually. I know what this is about, Miss Satori.

This is something not easily recocnised for what it actually is. It's called a Bend.

It's where you have drawn up so much energy, somehow, that all three planes of the exsistances bend in twards you, and maybe connect for a moment. The Physical, because your body is there, like an anchor in the ocean. The Spiritual 'bends' in to touch the physical, which is why you'd see on the dream/astral level. Third, the mental shift, where your mentality bends to encase that mentality to become more animalistic in the mind. Lastly, with three places bent all at once, your aura might bend, and in a way, generating a solid-like field about you, that encases your body, and because of your mentality, through your personal perceptions, you'd appear as your animal. That's as close as your likely to get with physical shifting. Sorry to say.

Perhapse someone would see it, perhapse it's all just madness.

I thought it would be interesting to make a quick throw in.

Um... anyone got a towel?

[__Satori__]

Kind of fun, actually. I know what this is about, Miss Satori.

Just "Satori" will be fine, as I am male.

This is something not easily recocnised for what it actually is. It's called a Bend.

Your explanation is interesting, as I have not heard of it before. While I do not argue with the process you describe, I suspect that, in my case, it was not quite what occurred. I did indeed take on a lot of spiritual energy, but Willed myself to be more present on another plane, and I believe that is what did it. As I am not a therian, I also think it unlikely that animal natures and shapeshifting had a direct effect in what had happened. But unlike many people, I exist simultaneously here and on what you call the mental plane (I call it the Ethereal plane), with a body in the same location on each. I have difficulty thinking that the planes themselves "bent", and instead suppose that I simply shifted my existence from both to one, much as someone would shift their weight from both feet onto one foot. Perhaps I simply underestimate my efforts. But I thank you for sharing your information. Perhaps someone who is therian will find it valuable.

Lastly, with three places bent all at once, your aura might bend, and in a way, generating a solid-like field about you, that encases your body, and because of your mentality, through your personal perceptions, you'd appear as your animal. That's as close as your likely to get with physical shifting. Sorry to say.

While, as I had said, I did not shapeshift into an animal form, I did in fact physically disappear and go to another plane of existence, with a somewhat astonished observer whose exclamation caused me to come suddenly back to this plane. In other words, a full physical absence did in fact already take place.


Be well,

- Satori

[Okori Tenko]

Satori,

Points well taken. Though, (i'd have to say, it was hastily written on my part. It's one method of explination that I had seen. Just a point of veiw.

Bends can take several different shapes, and have no real method to them. That's the hard thing about bends is all the variables that come with crossing plausible shifts.

Take care, Satori.

[FenrirTherion]

That is a bi of spam-age, as pointed out, but it looked pretty neat, so I joined it..:)