Werewolves do not exist?

[william_wraithe]

I have been told to be quiet about certain things, including my book. But I feel that silence is worse than death, so here goes. I want to make it public knowledge that shapeshifting is not just fantasy, it is real. The knowledge has been kept secret for only one reason - it would not be put to good use.

Many so-called veterans of the occult told me time and time again that there are too many people out there hell-bent on destruction and are not to be trusted. The point made to me when I first put my book up for sale was that I did not know what I was doing, nor did I keep in mind the repercussions of my decision. That was not the case - I believed that people had the right to make their own decisions regarding their own good or bad intentions.

That being said, certain people who carry weight in the many groups have chosen to band together and try to deface me and my work claiming that I am a hoax - whether this is one group effort or not, I have no idea. A lot of people who have read my webpages know that I am talking truth - it is the people who do not understand what they are reading are the one's who are claiming I am a fraud, but in fact, they are either too narrow-minded or they are just not well versed in the occult to even begin to understand what lies there.

I am so sick and tired of people telling me that making such knowledge public would bring a very bad turn of events - many have rambled on and on about this global darkness or whatever they wanted to call the fall of humanity to be the designated outcome. I believe that if people want to do bad things, they will do it regardless of the consequences (lots of crime out there already). It seems to me that people are just afraid of change ... literally. Why else would they try to stop me from publishing my information?

I thought that people would be excited to know that the many dreams and desires of becoming a werecreature or shapechanger could become reality .. but no, it was the opposite. I had recieved a lot of email saying that I am full of shit and that to become these things was just a fantasy ... point blank. The rest of the email I had got was continual threats on my safety saying that they will stop me no matter what the cost (for those of you who did that ... I will tell you where I live. Come and meet me. Beowulf said the same thing and I met him, the result being that he left my residence crying like a baby when I showed him what he was up against).

If that is what the majority thinks and that belief of werecreatures and shapechangers is just fantasy, then you are more foolish than I thought. Believe whatever it is that you wish, I will not try to change your view because you already have the imprint in your mind that it is impossible. For those of you who know that I am right, the information is waiting for you.

For the rest of the non-believers and skeptics ... I only hope that someday you are not left in the dark. Change is coming, don't worry about that - you can either ride the wave or be swept over, the choice is yours. Your choices of today will be the future of your tomorrow.

In Light,

William

[Cheater388]

One problem: proof.

People need to know about change, yes, but how could people believe such things if there is no substantial evidence on the internet, in papers, in government societies, about it? Now, any bible; almost everyone believes in that, right? Well, that tiny population that doesn't believe in anything that is in their religion or is in others... is more then you actually think. Why, some people ask: well, people just don't have any evidence to support this fact. If a god did start walking in my room and then stopped and said, "Hay, I'm god and I didn't pick your front door", I would believe him... oh hell, anyone would believe him, he declared himself as god and looked through your fridge for chocolates while he was at it! But that's not my point: EVERYBODY NEEDS SOME PROOF, or else we have a right to say that dragons or shape shifters or god or chocolates don't exsist...

...did I really talk about chocolate in that paragraph? Oh, I must be hungry then...

*grabs some from downstairs*

[william_wraithe]

[QUOTE=cheater388]One problem: proof.

People do not have proof that God exists, yet every sunday they continue to worship him. As far as proving myself, I have. The results were something I regret to this very day - not because of who I am, but because people are not ready.

If I prove to people that the offer is there to possess the knowledge and know-how, then people can taste the proof for themselves. I think the real reason is that people are too afraid to complete it because they don't really want to be a werecreature or whatever they claim to be - which is their right, but I think casting stones is unfair when a bad opinion is based on pure narrow-mindedness just because they do not understand how something is accomplished.

[william_wraithe]

[QUOTE=william_wraith e][QUOTE=cheater388]One problem: proof.


I understand your point, but you are wrong. People are so skeptical these days that even when the truth hits them in the face they still don't have a clue to what it actually is.

My book is truth and I could say it until I was blue in the face, but you and others would still not believe me because you are not open to such ideas actually being truth.

It was predetermined a long time ago that there was no hope for shapeshifting of any kind and all was decided by society. It seemed much more real if we could all fantasize about it instead of actually becoming what we claim.

I apologize for my sharpness, but I feel that I have been silent way too long. I have come forth even through all the bullshit, laughter, criticism, threats and whatever other crap people have said to me. I decided a very long time ago to make this knowledge public and I will not be stopped because people do not believe in it. I am sorry to say this, but I will not stop until people know the truth ...

In Light,

William

[West]

Just as a note to the other moderators of Misc Disc, this guy isn't breaking any rules and I think this thread can invoke some discussion.

[william_wraithe]

Just as a note to the other moderators of Misc Disc, this guy isn't breaking any rules and I think this thread can invoke some discussion.

Thank you for that, sir. The positive energy you just initiated might come back on you in a more beneficial way down the road. May you have a good night.

In Light,

William

[Cheater388]

But, seriously, people shouldn't joke about something that they do not have substantial proof against.

(Ha, ha, my proof statement can go against two parties! So now I am considered a seperate entity in this battle... Up for a round of LOTR? (The hobbit, actually, but lord of the rings sounds better))

[West]

I moved this thread to the Mythology & Metafauna forum. I realized that it probably doesn't belong in Misc Disc.

[DL Lycan]

The problem is still proof, You quite cleverly avoided the subject when asked about it, which leads me to wondor, are you doing this as a wind up or perhaps an experiment on human complience? Because no, I don't believe shapeshifting is possible because I believe the laws of physics to be true, and I'm sorry to say it but the evidence for physics is far from dogmatic, the proof proving true far outweighs counter arguements or evidence for occult/magic/psychic phenomona to be true. Though no doubt you have some sharp witted statement or clever come back to outwit me and make me look a fool whilst still avoiding the subject ;) .

10/10 for effort though.

[william_wraithe]

The problem is still proof 10/10 for effort though.

I will indeed do no such thing as try to outwit you or even try to demoralize you with witty banter. That was never my intention in the first place. I wrote something just for you on the Science Central Board and everyone else that needs some understanding on the subject of Shapeshifting.

I am glad to see that you are curious even though you retaliate, which is a good sign - it shows courage and indepth inner thirst to find the truth. I can promise all I want that my book is real, but in the end it will only lead to people being unsure of what I say. I can only say that I will not give up until it is known that shapeshifting is possible.

In Light,

William

[RAINAOFTHEMIST]

OK, it's impossible for us to debate about what we haven't read. So, as already stated: can we see this website/book and what's the title of this book?

[Rylias Shadow]

I agree with RAINOFTHEMIST, what and where is this book?! Because I will read it!! I will believe anything with the proof, William, also my definition of "proof" is not quite so extreme as others. By my definition, it has been proven to me that God, Irony, Fate and Luck all exist. So, maybe when i read this book I can set myself up with a definite opinion, untill then, PLEASE tell me what this book is!!

R. Shadow

[william_wraithe]

I agree with RAINOFTHEMIST, what and where is this book?! Because I will read it!! I will believe anything with the proof, William, also my definition of "proof" is not quite so extreme as others. By my definition, it has been proven to me that God, Irony, Fate and Luck all exist. So, maybe when i read this book I can set myself up with a definite opinion, untill then, PLEASE tell me what this book is!!

R. Shadow

The name of the book is Morphosephram: The Handbook of Shadow. It is, at present, being sold on ebay which you can type the name Morphosephram in the search field on ebay and it shall bring yo uto the listing page.

In Light,

William

[william_wraithe]

Yes, the PDF is avialable on ebay at the present moment. I have been discussing how it is possible on the Science Board Post for the last couple of days. The name of the book is Morphospehram and is currently on sale on Ebay. Type Morphosephram in the search field on ebay and it shall bring you to the listing page.


I do not know where you get your information, sir, about the 'there is a myriad of proof against it' bit. I would like you to go into a more detailed explanation as to where all this proof that it doesn't exist. You get ahead of yourself very easily don't you.For example, have you seen God lately? Where is your proof that he does in fact exist? Explain to me the scientific method or substantial proof that He is there? My point exactly. Maybe you should go ask your local preist to show you that He exists and see what he says.

I know that this is not a result from you or this group, but I have shown proof before - the people involved had claimed that I had doctored a live webcam. I had invited people to come visit me so that I could show them and they either did not show up or were so scared that they panicked and ran after my proof was evident. Negativity is the means of stunting the soul from its proper growth. I had been told that there would be a lack of belief when I presented my book, but I guess I was blind in defending the general population to be hopeful.

We can solve this easily I suppose - I want everyone who has posted a reply to every message I have ever left to prove to me that they are substantial in what they claim. I want a lengthy description so that I may know all about you and why it is that you can make such claims to me about my writing. It is only fair that if I have to show you proof for you to believe, so it is that I want proof about you.

In Light,

William

[DL Lycan]

Your asking me to provide proof for the laws of physics? As a genrality the fact it is taught world wide should be enough, But also theres the countless centuries of experiments into forces, motion, energy being an appropiate one, as every process requires some form of viable energy. There are millions, if not billions of places to find convincing evidence in favour of physics, far more than for certified methods of shapeshifting. If you did have actual methods, And you certainly seem to be advertising well enough, Where are the front page head lines? Where are the goverment cover ups? The plots for using this to breed supersoldiers? The millions of socially outcasted teenagers who find their life would be exponentioally more interesting if they actually were "true weres," The channel 4 documentary in the least? And a lengthy reply is no substitute for one of quality, Bad choice of wording I believe.

[william_wraithe]

Negative emotions trigger negative reactions. I am sorry for your loss of belief in anything. I also apologize for calling you a sir. I do not understand why you only bring negative energy to the conversation. Would it not be more beneficial to imply positive energies in your statements?

As far as you saying that this is the last interest you will have in this post,I appreciate the effort you have taken to show us your opinions in the matter. I just hoped it could have been portrayed with a more positive attitude.

Continuing on, it is just a point to make how words can be twisted in everyday life - it seems that no one actually reads the posts with a clear mind, they just show how selected reading plays a part in slander. I had mentioned before that the webcam I had was a live feed, not a link - and I never mentioned that the webcam was on ebay. I had mentioned the PDF was on ebay. I believe that when a person brings negative energies to a conversation - like blatant malice or hate - without any clue as to what they are doing at the time, either because they are blinded by their own emotions or whatever is the case, they should proofread what they have written before posting.

I have seen many errors in most comments and I just wondered if any others have seen this as well...

I appreciate all the time and effort that you have all put into the post on my behalf, it has been interesting to say the least. I want to finish by saying that I do not target teenagers, I target groups. I have no intention of so-called preying on the younger ones, that has been a misled comment by many because they are lashing out with negative energies, nothing more. My true question, I guess, would be why am I met with such negative responses? My answer in turn would probably lie in a state that people just feel like they have nothing better to do than belittle other people because of their beliefs.

I feel that it is not the matter of bringing this information to light, it has been a matter of change. In fact, when the information is proven to be true ... what then? Would there be a global upset, would governements be involved (like so many claim)? I think, personally, that governments do not care until the issue is shown as a threat. There are many issues in this world that have never seen the light of day ... and we never question anything because we do not know. When something is brought to light that we have no knowledge of, we have so many people who think they know everything (mostly showing their bravado, so to speak) cutting in and convincing people that their way of thinking is the best. It kind of reminds me of two things - a two year old throwing a tantrum and the government telling people how to think and live.

I truly do not understand how you can live with such negative negative energies running rampant inside, it must be exhausting to live every dya like that. I could recommend some meditations to curb that anxiety and bring yourself to a more productive and healthy lifestyle if you wish?


In Light,

William

[DarkWolf]

While this conversation is interesting, it is beginning to slowly deviate to topics not fitting the forum. If you require William's advice on meditation, etc, please send him a Private Message.

Thanks.

On topic:

To William, I doubt NeonLightChild is being overly negative - disagreement need not be as negative as you imply. You're telling them it's possible to break everything we have known, truly theorised, or believed faithfully about physics, evolution and nature in general. It's a lot to swallow so people are going to be disagreeable to just believing and trusting somebody's words on a screen.

People are not being overly negative here and those that do show negativity aren't indicating that they must be having negative energies running rampant inside or unable to believe in anything. Some people are taking slightly aggressive tones but then I have read your posts here and see you making assumptions you're in no position to make and you seem, whether intentional or not, to have a somewhat arrogant tone. You give off a "I wrote a book about this and you didn't so my words must be true" form of impression.

For example:

I am sorry for your loss of belief in anything.

NeonLightChild has not stated she did not believe in anything. She merely stated she did not believe in God/Allah. This certainly nowhere near an exhaustive list of things to believe in and certainly does not imply she does not believe in anything.

So yes, some people may react to some of your wording choices with an edge of uncertainty or anger but then that's understandable. Few people in this thread are being negative towards you - I fail to see why disagreement or distrust is negative energy. If everybody was your idea of "positive" things would be rather dull.

However, to some choice others who need not be named; some of you have shown an unnecessary amount of close-mindedness or hasty insults. Whether you agree or not it must be respected that William Wraithe is providing a good, decent, discussion and in a polite manner. You may disbelieve him but some things put in response to him have been uncalled for. I am just saying this now: I do not want a rare gem of a discussion like this tarnished by narrowminded immaturity.

Thank you for reading. Please resume. :)

[william_wraithe]

I was not aware that my words were arrogant in nature and for that I apologize if I portrayed myself that way. I am not rubbing the fact that I wrote the book into anyone's face and apologize if that is what it seemed like. I only wish people to think outside the box, so to speak. Not everything can be explained by natural science and theory, those who know what I am talking about should know that.

I am sensitive to a person's intent, and what I had said about negative thoughts was true on more than one occasion. My only intention has been to enlighten people who are willing to accept this knowledge. I did not mean for any ill will towards anyone else.

I am positive in assuming that people will eventually come around. I only gave the information of where they could find the book or my webpage when I was asked, until that time I had never mentioned either in any discussion beforehand.

I am very eager that some people have come around to what I am saying, the result being positive insight in the matter and
mostly warm words in return for my positive outlook on things. Someday people will truly realize what it is they dismissed, but until that day happens, I wish only positive energy and material in all that they do.

In Light,

William

[Mordicanus]

Off Topic:

This is my first post, and honestly I am new to the beliefs in lycanthropy mythology and things of the sort, but am open and willing to learn more. Personally, I'm wicca. My mother and her closest friends are, and thats the way I was raised. I believe the concept of 'werewolf' or other sorts of creatures is a wonderful idea, but I don't know the basics of it enough to truely believe in the possibility.

On Topic:

I've read the posts from this thread, and I can see the points of view from both sides. Physically speaking, it does seem impossible or extremely improbable that the possibility of an actual 'werewolf' existing. A normal person would not be able to generate the energy to shape and change themselves on that level. It would require not only completely reshaping the bonestructure, in order for the new joints you would have to rapidly reproduce cells for the rest of the body.

However, if one was able to harness the actual abilities of the human body, it would be easily possible. Human beings only usually use 10 percent of their brain and not even a quarter of their actual strength. If someone was able to use the energy they aren't normally able to access, I believe anything is possible.

I'm extremely openminded and willing to learn about anything any of you have to teach me.

As Above And So Below,
Thomas

[GhostBat]

Human beings only use 10 percent of their brain and not even a quarter of their actual strength.

Actually, we use 100% of our brain. The statement "we only use 10% of our brain" is a myth of unclear origin.

[MorganaFang]

Actually, we use 100% of our brain. The statement "we only use 10% of our brain" is a myth of unclear origin.

It's a mix of both kind of, because we do have the parts of the brain we use for voluntary function which could account for 10 or 20 percent (been way too long since biology class) and then there is the involuntary which everyone forgets about. :P Brains are weird.

[Mordicanus]

Actually, we use 100% of our brain. The statement "we only use 10% of our brain" is a myth of unclear origin.

I just did a quick research, and that is partially right and partially wrong.

Do Humans Use 100% of Their Brains?
PaShawnda Briley

""The 1012 neurons in the brain have not all been researched for activity or not, but researchers have found no evidence for unused abilities or large, unused regions of the brain. Researchers know that humans do not use every region of their brain for every behavior, unless we are doing something so complex that it requires all of the brains capacities. At any given point in time, about 5% of the neurons are active, but over time and change of ones behavior, PET scans and fRMIs show that the vast majority of the brain is active (2). Perhaps this is an evolutionary adaptation: to conserve energy and prevent an electrical and chemical overload from all the neurons firing and inhibiting. The brain is about 3 pounds, using an inproportionate 20% of the bodys oxygen- rich blood, but is only 2% of the bodys total weight (3). The significance of the brain receiving so much of the bodys energy supply, reveals its ability to perform important functions. The heart and the lungs main function is to provide the brain with oxygenated blood, presumably because the brains will be performing essential neuronal activity relevant to the days behavior.

The highly specialized regions of the brain give some insight into the many functions that the brain is capable of doing. So the development of the brain into specific sections that have been researched to facilitate specific functions, provides evidence that these regions are active in a normal humans lifetime. The fact that the brain has a highly ordered procedure for developing, leads researchers to believe that each region of the brain is essential. In fact, researchers have found several regions to account for one function, to imply that the collaboration of several brain regions is sometimes necessary for normal functioning.""

[GhostBat]

I don't see anything in those two paragraphs that refutes my statement.

[Mordicanus]

I don't see anything in those two paragraphs that refutes my statement.

"Researchers know that humans do not use every region of their brain for every behavior, unless we are doing something so complex that it requires all of the brains capacities. At any given point in time, about 5% of the neurons are active."

[GhostBat]

"Researchers know that humans do not use every region of their brain for every behavior, unless we are doing something so complex that it requires all of the brain's capacities," implies we use 100% of our brain, at one point or another. Perhaps we do not use 100% of our brain at the same time in most situations, but the entire brain has a different function that is used. There is not a region of the brain that lies completely inactive (unless there is severe brain damage), with a vast store of mental possibilities.

[DarkWolf]

Scientific research has proved that there are no special brain areas secretly holding special powers so please end this side-debate or move it to a different thread of its own so the actual topic of this thread may be resumed.

Thank you.

[william_wraithe]

Well, I never did mention all the steps, everyone was so busy trying to contradict me that they never asked me. The way I see it, everyone thinks inside the normal thinking box. Not one of you has ever considered thinking outside the box, or at least what I have seen in my opinion. Science is just a guidlines to what might be probable, but even science is wrong about a lot of things and do not have the answers - because not everything can be solved with a simple equation. When I tell you that shapeshifting is possible, the first things that come out of your mouth is that scientific probability does not allow it - or it is impossible because we can not generate stem cells ....

I hate to say this, but that way of thinking is being narrow-minded, in my opinion. If you want to know waht is in my book - buy it. I might not be getting through to you, but I will certainly not cater to you just because you do not believe me. If you object, well, that is life... it isn't fair. I realized something in the last few days, it doesn't matter if you believe me or not because I know in truth that it works (theories or not), you can either accept it for what it is or don't - that is your opinion.

Someone brought something to my attention via private message about morphogenetic fields and how they behave. If someone could shapeshift, it would then be easy for others to do it - this is not true, the so-called relation between fields was only a theory that they were trying to guess about. That is saying that all Fields are connected with every person (not true), they only merge back into one essence when the said person dies and the Field goes back to the collective.

When this is all over and you start recieving news of its truth, I will not single you out and deny you compassion like you would do to me (if the shoe was on the other foot). No, I will not ask you to apologize or change who you are for any reason. I have never done that to anyone, but I guess that is what makes everyone different from each other.

In Light,

William

[Cheater388]

...I hate to say this, but that way of thinking is being narrow-minded, in my opinion...

(A.K.A: logical)

... If you want to know waht is in my book - buy it...

I wonder how many sales you have...

...if the shoe was on the other foot...

Nope, my only shoe was thrown in the ocean... :D

Sorry, I just have a really boring and cold day on my hands...

All I'm going to say to you is this: what you do reflects on to you. Currently, I still want to be human, thank you very much...

[DL Lycan]

Your right, Nature doesn't run on equations, Thats just the method by which humans measure what happens in the universe, Everything follows set rules, Whether we guessed them or not they are there. Shapeshifting, obviously, Does effect the so called shape shifter on a biological level, Thus it does follow a science, Biology.

[LV426]

My whole brain is a top secret area. That does not make me a werewolf.

[Alienated Being]

Hmm. I still, for some reason, do not believe that shapeshifting into a wolf-like creature is physically possible. I believe that it is possible for humans to think that they are wolves, but not that they can be turned into one.

[william_wraithe]

(A.K.A: logical)

I guess that you have never had a typo in your life? Thanks for pointing it out to me ... you are quite the person.

I wonder how many sales you have...

Is that a question or a statement? Perhaps it is a form of hidden sarcasm - take your pick? More than you will ever know - people who had doubts, but changed their minds after reading it.

Nope, my only shoe was thrown in the ocean... :D

Sorry, I just have a really boring and cold day on my hands...

Hmmm, an excellent reason for being rude ... wow, thank you so much.

All I'm going to say to you is this: what you do reflects on to you. Currently, I still want to be human, thank you very much...

Well, like I had stated before, everyone is saying that they are not being openly negative - but here is what I was talking about. I will let you make a fool of yourself, by yourself.

[william_wraithe]

My whole brain is a top secret area. That does not make me a werewolf.

No, maybe not a werewolf, but biography says you are a supreme being - that could be why your entire brain is top secret. Is it me or is that some form of self-inflamed ego?

In Light,

William

[Lilith]

No, maybe not a werewolf, but biography says you are a supreme being - that could be why your entire brain is top secret. Is it me or is that some form of self-inflamed ego?

In Light,

William


No, it's not a form of self-inflamed ego.
LV426 really is a supreme being.

Surprise Surprise.

[LV426]

No, maybe not a werewolf, but biography says you are a supreme being - that could be why your entire brain is top secret. Is it me or is that some form of self-inflamed ego?

In Light,

William
It's not an ego if it's the truth.

[Red_Full-Moon]

Hi i am new here, but read your message, and i got aguess that we could already all be offsprings from werewolfs, because they don't exist anymore that doesn't mean there human for of offspring is also gone, i know this because somethimes if i am in a fight and my opponent bleeds, then i would like to rip him/her to shreds... You see it is still in us, it has only to be awakened.

[Lilith]

Hi i am new here, but read your message, and i got aguess that we could already all be offsprings from werewolfs, because they don't exist anymore that doesn't mean there human for of offspring is also gone, i know this because somethimes if i am in a fight and my opponent bleeds, then i would like to rip him/her to shreds... You see it is still in us, it has only to be awakened.


Wow... :confused:

Ignoring the whole "like to rip him/her to shreds" bit, as a werewolf, shouldn't you actually know how to spell "Werewolves"?

(( Please note that "somethimes" is also misspelled, as well as "offsprings" and "aguess". However, I took "aguess" to be typo.
You're welcome.))

Just wondering from a human perspective.

[Lilith]

Oh yes, and your "i"s should be capitalized.

Again, you're welcome.

[DL Lycan]

You think that because sometimes people get a little bloodthirsty we must all descend from werewolves...I apologiese for my bluntness but, erm...That is completely ridiculous.

[Moon-Lit Forest]

i dont think that if the actual truth came out on werewolfs ect. is a very good thing. humans by nature fear what they dont understand and they kill what they fear. my theory is that if thease things do happen then we would only have a blood-bath on our hands. or a war. but then u have the few humans who want to be what they fear therefore causing jealousy which in a way can be far more harmfull then actual hate. but then again this is only my theory.

[Lilith]

People, once again:

It's WEREWOLVES.
'WEREWOLFS' = no.

Now please, resume your ridiculous disscussion.

[william_wraithe]

You know, I might get some wierd reactions for even saying this -
but I really like this group as a whole ... truly. Maybe we do diagree on a lot of things, but I still cannot find myself to be at odds with any of you. Thank you for giving me your insight and I apologize for my behavior - it was truly uncalled for. Sometimes we must test the waters to see how rough it might actually get in the beginning of the storm.

I also regret to say that my book has ended its listing on ebay. It will come out for sale from Octavia & Co. Press, but I cannot guarantee it will be the same material. i was already informed that there will be changes made to some of the content due to conflicts with the publishers. I hope you all have a very good night and positive energy.

In Light,

William

[william_wraithe]

[QUOTE=william_wraith e]You know, I might get some weird reactions for even saying this -
but I really like this group as a whole ... truly. Maybe we do disagree on a lot of things, but I still cannot find myself to be at odds with any of you. Thank you for giving me your insight and I apologize for my behavior - it was truly uncalled for. Sometimes we must test the waters to see how rough it might actually get in the beginning of the storm.

I also regret to say that my book has ended its listing on ebay. It will come out for sale from Octavia & Co. Press, but I cannot guarantee it will be the same material. I was already informed that there will be changes made to some of the content due to conflicts with the publishers. I hope you all have a very good night and positive energy.

This second post is to correct my errors :)

In Light,

William

[Lilith]

While I still think that you are completely bonkers, I appreciate your attempt to correct your spelling errors.

And, believe it or not, I like you all, too.

[sai-fujiwara]

:/ give me proof and I might consider it. Show it to my face and I might concur that this is fact.

I mean, I actually have proof that things in the bible really happened. (but that isnt the topic, pm me if you wanna know about it)

So... if you say that weres exist because a guy told you, should you immediatly believe it?

<.< I wouldn't. It's not believable for one and for another there isn't any proof besides someone's word.

thats it for my opinion.

[DL Lycan]

Sai, you'r about 5 pages too late...On another note, WElcome back William, I must admit I do like a good debate now and then, and you've certainly been at least, intellectual in your responces. I apologiese for the ludicrous amount of comma's I use.

[sai-fujiwara]

Sai, you'r about 5 pages too late...On another note, WElcome back William, I must admit I do like a good debate now and then, and you've certainly been at least, intellectual in your responces. I apologiese for the ludicrous amount of comma's I use.
Meh. When I read it, it was three in the morning. I was too tired to read what everyone else had said.

:/ maybe if I have time I will. But maybe not.

[violetgaze]

I might be a tad bit late coming in and saying this but shapeshifting could really exsist. Back to where everyone was going on about how do they really know God exsisted? There are Roman documents stating about a man claiming to be the Son of God. Continued in the document are the events before they put him on the crucifix. To me, thats going to be the closest bit of proof for me.
But realistically, we only have a small sense of understanding to things. Our Science now is relevent to what we can comprehend. Don't get me wrong, hats off to science with its advance discoveries in medical help, but for the body shapeshifting doesn't seem impossible. Radiation can cause mutation, wouldn't that be close to saying our bodies can change form. Thus that being said, its one step closer to the idea of shapeshifting.

If I repeated myself in anyway, sorry, I had to get all my thoughts together and this was the most clear I could make them sound.

[Red_Full-Moon]

I've read that most of you say werewolfs do not exist, how can you be sure, if what they say in the movies is true, that they can transform at will, then it could be possible that there is one on this site or comming to your doorway as the milkman, so what they say it could also bea lie, aliens come to earth, extinct dinosaurs are found in the oceans again, for instance giant squids, "mega"lodon (means mega-sized) sharks, the're are also found demons and angels world wide, even vampires, so why do you all think that this lycanthrope doesn't exist, if you do, then go to the german Swartzwäld (Blackwoods) while the night is cloud free and a full moon rises and convince me other wise....

[MorganaFang]

I've read that most of you say werewolfs do not exist, how can you be sure, if what they say in the movies is true, that they can transform at will, then it could be possible that there is one on this site or comming to your doorway as the milkman, so what they say it could also bea lie, aliens come to earth, extinct dinosaurs are found in the oceans again, for instance giant squids, "mega"lodon (means mega-sized) sharks, the're are also found demons and angels world wide, even vampires, so why do you all think that this lycanthrope doesn't exist, if you do, then go to the german Swartzwäld (Blackwoods) while the night is cloud free and a full moon rises and convince me other wise....

Maybe the ones saying werewolves don't exist are werewolves :eek:

Pardon me, but I was unaware of hard physical proof that angels, demons, aliens and vampires exist.

The others are a lot more biologically feasible. Transformative werewolves seems a great deal implausible since nothing can metamorphose that fast, except maybe mayflies. Insects though are a great deal different from mammals.

[Nosevencityname]

Okidokie, you've been asking for it I checked up a couple of old books on the occult and I've located the sections in which they make a clear study on the werewolf creature... Apparently the only authentic sightings of this bad guy was in south africa... before i continue, the books i got on the subject are strictly on the KABALA which is considered to be the godfather of science, unfortunately the kabala died with killings of famous researchers such as Galileo, and it was later renamed as science...

In the book it says that cases of werewolves have been seen in areas where voodoo magic takes action, primarily in south africa, these werewolves are supposingly dangerous creatures, but complete wimps when it comes to enter a fight were it is outnumbered 3 to 1. It was considered a plague during 19th century but then controlled thanks to the participation of several secret societies such as the Freemasons and the Illuminati, which considered Lycanthropy to be a very dangerous problem...

I don't know if any of this is true, maybe when reffering to Lycanthropy, they actually mean the same disease that struck Europe centuries before...you know... the bread fungus thing...

Personally i think it's purely a dilusion such is Shapeshifting... due to the lack of proof... you are now entering a very strict civilization, where folklore is o longer the basis of it's construction...

[sabrina_lycaulf]

Well, I don't really know about werewolves, but personally, they would try to hide their wolfish tendencies from humans and try to stay out of the spotlight when it is time to transform...

[Nosevencityname]

I think if there were real werewolves... we would of probably discovered them a long time ago...

[J.L.R.]

Do Werewolves exist...?

No...

[SleepingSilently]

The others are a lot more biologically feasible. Transformative werewolves seems a great deal implausible since nothing can metamorphose that fast, except maybe mayflies. Insects though are a great deal different from mammals.

i agree with u there. it is actualy biologicaly imposible for werewolvs to actualy exist, mammals dont go through any metamorphasis or transformation of any kind, yes they change slightly as they age but the DNA and basic make up is still the same. however it is still fun to live in the fantasy world sometimes right? ;)
but then again that is just my thoughts on the subject

S.S

[Ves]

Once again I should have got to this abit quicker.

In the book it says that cases of werewolves have been seen in areas where voodoo magic takes action, primarily in south africa, these werewolves are supposingly dangerous creatures, but complete wimps when it comes to enter a fight were it is outnumbered 3 to 1. It was considered a plague during 19th century but then controlled thanks to the participation of several secret societies such as the Freemasons and the Illuminati, which considered Lycanthropy to be a very dangerous problem...
It is my understanding that Voodoo involves a fair amount of invocation (unfortunately I know very little about Voodoo so I may well be wrong there). Apparently when performing invocations in magick, it is not unknown for the magus/witch/whatever to start to take on physical and mental characteristics of whatever they've been invoking.
I have no personal experience of this, but I do trust my sources here. I imagine it's kind of like when someone prays (thus sort of invoking the Divine but in a weak way) and has a religious experience - they get an almost perceiveable glow about them, and you can easily tell what's happened to them.
Whether or not this change could be sufficient to effect a change into another shape entirely I'm not sure, but I do not think it could be to the extent and with the speed usually attributed to Werewolves.
As for the Freemasons being involved in some sort of cull of werewolves in the 19th century, I've never heard of this before. Granted I'm not actually a Freemason, but I've read some of their more "out there" literature from that time (some of which I don't think I was supposed to have done) and there isn't any mention of it.
What part of Africa was this in? or doesn't it say.

I don't know if any of this is true, maybe when reffering to Lycanthropy, they actually mean the same disease that struck Europe centuries before...you know... the bread fungus thing...
Clinical Lycanthropy, also sometimes known as Zoanthropy is a psychosis where a person believes they have transformed into, or just are, an animal. It is characterised by animalistic behaviour and so forth. There are many sufferers of this condition today - it wasn't something that happened purely in the past.
The "bread thing" you refer to is Ergot poisoning. It is what is thought to have caused the events that ended with the Salem Witch Trials in 1693. Ergotism (as the effects of eating infected bread is known) causes hallucinations as well as a bunch of rather nasty physical symptoms (like necrosis of the digits - nice!). Again it would rather depend on where in Africa you're thinking of as it's not really found in that area (though might be imported with colonists or suchlike).

[Tux]

I don’t know, my bigger question would be; where do you live that you can still get milk delivered to your door? :D

[Lilith]

It was considered a plague during 19th century but then controlled thanks to the participation of several secret societies such as the Freemasons and the Illuminati, which considered Lycanthropy to be a very dangerous problem...



... :confused:
Besides the point that there is little possibility of werewolves actually existing, if you knew anything about the Freemasons or the Illuminati, then you would know that you are talking complete rubbish.

Cheers though.
Once again you've managed to look like a fool.

[CartmaniacDenni]

Everyone knows they don't exist but some people (like me) wish they were real because it would be cool to be one.

[Varg Khyran]

This is a very stupid argument. No one can prove that werewolves really exist, but at the same time, no one can completely disprove it. It's like arguing about whether Gods exist or not. Why can't we just stop having this argument and live in the knowledge that there is always a possibility? My feeling is that people just enjoy arguing about it.

[wyrm-takes-last]

To the original poster...

Can you please tell me how I can do it? I know I'd like to believe, but everything in my head tells me its another false hope and I don't know what to believe anymore, how do I change my form? How do I make what I am inside visible outside? Please... Tell me.

[ulfheadnar]

To the original poster...

Can you please tell me how I can do it? I know I'd like to believe, but everything in my head tells me its another false hope and I don't know what to believe anymore, how do I change my form? How do I make what I am inside visible outside? Please... Tell me.


He's not monitoring the board anymore.

[ulfheadnar]

I don't really see it as arrogant drivel. I've been lurking and watching and if anything, it wasn't received well for one major reason. Most people don't want to hear it. Physical shifting strongly divides the shifter community and has since it first started to be a 'community'. From the days of the old alt.horror.werewolve s it's been that way.

Now I know that some will argue that it wasn't presented convincingly, but since no one in here can physically shift, what kind of perspective do you have? It seems easier to shoot the messenger than take a risk and make the leap of faith that the idea itself requires. That idea is simply, that it's possible.

I know that there have been several people on the boards in the last 14 years that have made the claim that shifting can be taught and then took money and ran. Others have simply made the claim and then failed to come up with a workable method. But still, the fact remains that if it exists at all, someone would have to teach you how to do it. Unfortunately, anyone coming on here and offering the method of doing it would be met with disbelief and ridicule. If you go back to the beginning of this thread and read it, I believe you'll see that there was a good bit of that going on. Trying to argue the idea from a scientific viewpoint is humorous. Shapeshifting has never been a scientific but rather a supernatural event. If one wants to duplicate a supernatural being, one must use supernatural methods.

The method he was offering was in the form of a book that he wrote describing his own method of attaining what many proclaim to be their 'holy grail'. Now some would ask why he wanted to sell it at all. First, I know that I wouldn't work on a magical method involving hundreds to over a couple thousand dollars in materials and months of time, and then give it away. Second, there are risks involved in high magic and that's got to be worth SOMETHING or everyone on here would be doing it. The man is a published author of a couple other books on magic, and the book he was offering was a pre-release version that's unedited for content. That means if it's going to work, the version he was offering would have been the real deal. A publisher has already picked it up, and it's no longer being offered for sale on the net.

I'm sure the publisher will edit some of the more dangerous evocation instructions out of the final draft. This means that the content will be altered, thus making it a self validating "non-working" method. You missed out.

So, there are some people out there that bought the book although not many. If it works for them, and they try to tell anyone, they'll get laughed off the boards. The reception will be similar. The only way that anyone will believe them is if they sit down in front of them and then show them. I strongly suspect that will not be well received either, because it's like religion. It's comfortable to think about it until it comes up and bites you on the a**. When people are confronted with it, they tend to run screaming.

I'd only ask that you really do some soul searching and decide for yourselves if it's something you could really accept. Also, keep in mind that it's like an STD. There's no going back, there's no time outs, it's part of your physical being after the work is done. You really want that? Or are you happy being able to hang up the therianthropy when it suits you to blend better?

[Varg Khyran]

I don't really see it as arrogant drivel. I've been lurking and watching and if anything, it wasn't received well for one major reason. Most people don't want to hear it. Physical shifting strongly divides the shifter community and has since it first started to be a 'community'. From the days of the old alt.horror.werewolve s it's been that way.

Now I know that some will argue that it wasn't presented convincingly, but since no one in here can physically shift, what kind of perspective do you have? It seems easier to shoot the messenger than take a risk and make the leap of faith that the idea itself requires. That idea is simply, that it's possible.

I know that there have been several people on the boards in the last 14 years that have made the claim that shifting can be taught and then took money and ran. Others have simply made the claim and then failed to come up with a workable method. But still, the fact remains that if it exists at all, someone would have to teach you how to do it. Unfortunately, anyone coming on here and offering the method of doing it would be met with disbelief and ridicule. If you go back to the beginning of this thread and read it, I believe you'll see that there was a good bit of that going on. Trying to argue the idea from a scientific viewpoint is humorous. Shapeshifting has never been a scientific but rather a supernatural event. If one wants to duplicate a supernatural being, one must use supernatural methods.

The method he was offering was in the form of a book that he wrote describing his own method of attaining what many proclaim to be their 'holy grail'. Now some would ask why he wanted to sell it at all. First, I know that I wouldn't work on a magical method involving hundreds to over a couple thousand dollars in materials and months of time, and then give it away. Second, there are risks involved in high magic and that's got to be worth SOMETHING or everyone on here would be doing it. The man is a published author of a couple other books on magic, and the book he was offering was a pre-release version that's unedited for content. That means if it's going to work, the version he was offering would have been the real deal. A publisher has already picked it up, and it's no longer being offered for sale on the net.

I'm sure the publisher will edit some of the more dangerous evocation instructions out of the final draft. This means that the content will be altered, thus making it a self validating "non-working" method. You missed out.

So, there are some people out there that bought the book although not many. If it works for them, and they try to tell anyone, they'll get laughed off the boards. The reception will be similar. The only way that anyone will believe them is if they sit down in front of them and then show them. I strongly suspect that will not be well received either, because it's like religion. It's comfortable to think about it until it comes up and bites you on the a**. When people are confronted with it, they tend to run screaming.

I'd only ask that you really do some soul searching and decide for yourselves if it's something you could really accept. Also, keep in mind that it's like an STD. There's no going back, there's no time outs, it's part of your physical being after the work is done. You really want that? Or are you happy being able to hang up the therianthropy when it suits you to blend better?

Magnificently said.

[DL Lycan]

Magnificently said.
I disagreee completely, He was not met with ridicule or hostility, He was met with cautious approach, If you had read the entire thread you would see many people, Including William *himself* validating that.

[Varg Khyran]

I disagreee completely, He was not met with ridicule or hostility, He was met with cautious approach, If you had read the entire thread you would see many people, Including William *himself* validating that.

*Bows humbly and goes off to read the thread in more detail*

[Varg Khyran]

I see your point. I still agree with a good deal of Ulfheadnar's post though. I shall read the threads more carefully next time before making rash statements.

[Pickle Tickler]

Everyone knows they don't exist but some people (like me) wish they were real because it would be cool to be one.
Not quite. I'm still believing that they exist. And not because I want to be one. I have doubts sometimes about whether they don't.

[wyrm-takes-last]

Perhaps its not there, or I was just too lazy to read through the whole thing. But what is the title of this book?

[DL Lycan]

Perhaps its not there, or I was just too lazy to read through the whole thing. But what is the title of this book?

"The name of the book is Morphosephram: The Handbook of Shadow. It is, at present, being sold on ebay which you can type the name Morphosephram in the search field on ebay and it shall bring yo uto the listing page.

In Light,

William"

Second page, about half way down.
No need to thank me.

[Hoplite]

yes and no.....

no- physically i don't believe they exist...that's my personal opinion

yes- they exist in our hearts, our minds...can't resist...heard it in discovery, "the werewolf is a reminder of the beast that lurks deep within us; it also is a warning of what might happen if it's unleashed."

//might be minor mistakes with the quote; but the sense is correct :D

[DarkWolf]

yes and no.....

no- physically i don't believe they exist...that's my personal opinion

yes- they exist in our hearts, our minds...can't resist...heard it in discovery, "the werewolf is a reminder of the beast that lurks deep within us; it also is a warning of what might happen if it's unleashed."

//might be minor mistakes with the quote; but the sense is correct :D
And you have just highlighted why the myth has remained so popular throughout the many years; it serves as a metaphorical reference to the animal side in us all that we have otherwise grown distant of.

[jadecoyote]

I agree that physically there is no such things as werewolves, but the closest to it that I do believe in are therians. Well I just came across the word "therian" and it seems fitting for me personally. I am part native american and I have always been more intune with animals.

[OnjadeDemicol]

There is one thing that can be true...whether we chose to believe that they do exist or not is irrelevent. The moment it is said that they do exist, they exist, even if they really don't! simply because the mind will BELIEVE that they are real!

From personal experiance with Lycanothrope's though, they seem almost close to the real thing. The two I see each week, hoping to offer them psychological help, seems to be proving useless. They BELIEVE themselves to be werewolves, and I have seen them eat raw meat and things of such a grotesque manner, it is too difficult to say that werewolves do not exist.

Yet, as I said, whether it is in the mind or in reality, werewolves are very much alive and real!

You must look past the actions BEYOND the world though, thing of it like this. If you tell the world of this shapeshifting ability (which I despise my family for making me learn) then you could mark the end of the world. It would cause ambition, and ambition almost ALWAYS leads to war!

To incite ambition among the people, and have the weight of that guilt upon you, is something I would hope you beg never to have.

[william_wraithe]

To incite ambition among the people, and have the weight of that guilt upon you, is something I would hope you beg never to have.

I hope I never beg to have it then ... wow, that was a flare for the dramtatic ... let's have a show of paws that agree ... ohhh, sorry buddy, the pack outvotes you 200 to 1 ...

Hee hee, just kidding ... I could be like what's his face off of Judge Dredd, though .. WAR, WAR! YOU WANT A WAR! I WILL GIVE YOU A WAR!!!!!

On a better note, I hope people do buy the book (when it comes out) because when they succeed where others have failed, it will be like christmas come early. ... nice metaphor huh? I liked that one .. yes, sometimes a little light of funny can even hit me on the forehead from time to time.

BTW, I noticed my status turned to packmate ... I am very happy. It might be simple to some, but I am happy for the status change. When the time comes, I will return the token of appreciation ...

William

[DL Lycan]

Well, If I didn't know better I'd say thats someone completely different to the William Wraithe that was posting, Besides I think this thread is pretty been milked for all it can.

[william_wraithe]

Well, If I didn't know better I'd say thats someone completely different to the William Wraithe that was posting, Besides I think this thread is pretty been milked for all it can.

Thanks for noticing ..

[shaddow_hunter]

ok i know this thread is old, but im new and want to have my say. how can any of you be sure without proof? i mean sure, our hearts can tell us to belive things that might not be true, but when it comes right down to it, only once we have seen (maybe not even then) can we really believe that it exists.
Having said that, a real werewolf is probably the only one who would know if they exist, because according to ledgend (and my own logic) if werewolves are out there, they keep the knowledge of what they are to themselves.
Now i want to have a vote.
WHO THINKS WEREWOLVES ARE REAL?
WHO THINKS WEREWOLVES ARENT REAL?
WHO THINKS YOU NEED PROOF FIRST?

NOTE: noone will be flamed if they believe something different to everyone else.

[DarkWolf]

I advise against the vote - it is up to the author of the thread to include a poll and such a post would be pointless and somewhat off-topic anyway. Besides the validity of such a poll would be overly questionable.

Also, this is not an old thread. The last reply before yours, Shaddow_hunter, was a day before yours. "Old" in the sense of rules would be if the last response had been a month or more earlier.

[chriz]

BTW, I noticed my status turned to packmate ... I am very happy. It might be simple to some, but I am happy for the status change. When the time comes, I will return the token of appreciation ...

We take small unmarked bills...

[Moroni_Aenek]

Tell me how to do it, and if it works, THEN I'll believe you.

[DarkWolf]

Tell me how to do it, and if it works, THEN I'll believe you.
He put it all in a book called "Morphosephram: The Handbook of Shadow".

Funny thing is he's selling it on E-Bay and I can't find it anywhere on Ebay or any where else.

William, what publishing company did you use and when was it officially published/released?

[ulfheadnar]

He put it all in a book called "Morphosephram: The Handbook of Shadow".

Funny thing is he's selling it on E-Bay and I can't find it anywhere on Ebay or any where else.

William, what publishing company did you use and when was it officially published/released?

It's not on ebay. It was only there for a short time and was a pre-published version. I believe I mentioned that in an earlier post. The publishers will be Octavia (North America) and Mandrake (England) I believe. No date as of yet.

Don't know if the book will be edited down for content or not, so the pre-release had the info in it that was unedited. It was only offered for a short time since William thought he wanted to offer it to the shifter community directly. There was a deadline, so after the deadline, it wasn't and isn't available. As can be seen by this thread and other's like it, it was not well received.

I know that people of a scientific bent wanted proof and scientific reasoning. I, personally, do not need it. A 'were-creature' is not a scientific creature, but a magically derived or supernatural being. The method offered was of a high magical nature (evocation) and would only have worked for those so inclined. The method is indeed step by step, but would be difficult for those without the belief in things beyond the physical. There are more things in heaven and earth... you know the rest.

If you are familiar with the Golden Dawn, the OTO or similar magical societies, then you will know something of the type of magic involved.

It's my belief that it will work. But it will take time, and not a little magical discipline. If you're still interested in the method, watch for the book when it's released. Just be aware that there may be some changes or omissions in the published version. If that's the case, then like other magical texts, it will be left up to the individual practitioner to fill in the gaps. The pre-release version was complete.

[DL Lycan]

You say you scientific proof isn't valid, and yet William tried providing it using a so called pseudoscience.

[Spirit Wynd]

But, seriously, people shouldn't joke about something that they do not have substantial proof against.

(Ha, ha, my proof statement can go against two parties! So now I am considered a seperate entity in this battle... Up for a round of LOTR? (The hobbit, actually, but lord of the rings sounds better))

The thing is, people have been persicuting "strange" things for years look what happened to the Jews in Germany! How many wolves do you think whould come out in the light if they knew that was waiting for them? I belive in werewolves. I think it's sad that people are too afraid of the unknown to open their eyes. it's the Human's fault. they're so used to being the "masters of all the beasts" they can't deal with something being more powerful then them!

[DarkWolf]

The thing is, people have been persicuting "strange" things for years look what happened to the Jews in Germany! How many wolves do you think whould come out in the light if they knew that was waiting for them? I belive in werewolves. I think it's sad that people are too afraid of the unknown to open their eyes. it's the Human's fault. they're so used to being the "masters of all the beasts" they can't deal with something being more powerful then them!
That's a rather ignorant viewpoint. If something came up that could revolutionise science and potentially save millions of lives I doubt the "something" in question would be harmed at all.

Besides you're talking about a different era. We're generally more open now and there are laws preventing discrimination and persecution like that. Actually a werewolf would be protected by law.

And it's senseless to classify "humans" and "werewolves" seperately because werewolves would be humans - it's half the reason why they're called werewolves.

[kravendehavened]

I believe you, even though I'm not into the occult I would like to know this web page. Knowledge needs to be put out there whether people want it or not.

[DL Lycan]

And what if that knowledge is that this is a hoax? Would the knowledge still need to get out there, Whether you want it or not?

[william_wraithe]

I apologize for not being present, someone hacked into my account and wrote a few things that I would never write like the little 'packmate incident' and the 'thank you for noticing comment'. I do not know why this happened or for what reason, but there was nothing to be gained for doing so. I have no valuable information or what not on this account. Kudos to whomever did it. The only profit I would imagine could be gained from this was to see all of the names who were messaging me in private about certain things regarding information on my book or likewise subjects. Again I apologize for the inconvenience.

And what if that knowledge is that this is a hoax? Would the knowledge still need to get out there, Whether you want it or not?


As for your doubts and disbeliefs, it is natural to think this way and I will not be harsh to you because of your opinions, truly that is your given right. I admit I did not present my case the way it should have been presented and I was clearly in the wrong to post it in a scientific post, but I was assuming that posting it there would have recieved the most attention. I admit, there is no sure method of proving that physical shapeshifitng can be explained in scientific terms and for that I am sorry. The closest explanation that I could hope to even come close to would be related to quantum mechanics ... ie, mass can never be changed, just added onto or folded over in the same space it occupies (werecreatures and shapechangers respectfully).

Thus would explain the the shapeshifting, the body or cells do not physically re-write, they adapt and temporarily change and even build onto the original design (the genetic makeup of the human body) ... there is no creation of stem cells, cells or whatever other little argumentive tactics that were used or discussed prior to this conversation. One does not need to rewrite their entire DNA or genetic makeup to shapeshift, you merely need to add onto the original mass temporarily (for werecreatures) or fold the mass temporarily (shapechangers). The orginal mass of the person is always present in the end result, just not present to our eyes.

The specific sigils that are listed in the book can be charged and used to channel the necessary energy needed to perform the rituals. This is because to acquire the necessary energy output for the rituals is impossible to be generated from a single person no matter how strong their energy and magickal talent is (this is a response to the question someone asked and stated it was impossible to generate the necessary energy output - I was just not in the searching mood to find and quote it properly, sorry).


One thing I will comment on regarding to physically shapeshifting, it is not easy to accomplish. There are many steps you must follow to get to that point. If you truly want it and it is something you have always wanted, then I say that dedication and patience are two things you must come to terms with. I offer my guidance to those who wish to pursue it and will be there as best I can. I am not saying that I am taking control or creating any type of group, I am only offering my expereince and knowledge to those who want it. I am in no way a leader, so oyu have no worries about me starting a cult or something on that line ... only guidance and friendship.

As for the publishing companies that have taken an interest to publishing the book ... so far it is Mandrake Publishing and Octavia & Co. Press.

Octavia & Co. Press has been with me for a year now and has published to other books of mine.

Mandrake has been in contact with me for the last year and a half.

I have worked out some of the kinks (them wanting to edit the original version) and told both that the only way I will publish is if the book is in whole form and not hacked apart for safety. I am still in talks with both and will probably be in discussion for at least till the end of this month ... best guess, the book will be out in the next month.

In Light,

William (the real William) <Smiles>

[DarkWolf]

someone hacked into my account and wrote a few things that I would never write like the little 'packmate incident' and the 'thank you for noticing comment'Really? Because checking your IP history it seems the person who hacked your account has the same IP address as you for the same Internet Service Provider and for the same area... So either they hacked your computer directly, routed their connection to simulate yours, or you're lying. I also find it funny how you have been hacked and yet haven't talking to the site staff about it.

I am not saying I disbelieve you but I am saying something's suspicious.

[machokismachok]

Hi, I'm new here and I just watched van helsing, the underworld and the underworld evolution. And what I said was pretty off-topic.

I am from the Philippines and here, we call shapeshifters as "aswang"

Well, I'm not saying that you should trust me regarding these eyewitness accounts that I will tell you. But I hope that it would spark an interest regarding the topic.

Well, I have something that my grandfather experienced (He is completely sane by the way) a few years back,regarding a shapeshifting human. My grandfather was sitting by the window when he saw this medium-sized man walking late at night. Well, he was the only one walking. There was nobody else around. Then my grandpa saw the man arch his body and the man changed into a dog, and disappeared in the darkness.

Another story was about my classmate's uncle. It could be true or not, but I trust them anyway.

An "aswang" was seen raiding their province neighborhood for many nights and many people claim that they saw it. My classmate's uncle decided to climb their house's roof and wait for some kind of creature to appear. (There was a baby in a house, and aswangs are beleived to prey on babies.)He was staring down on a roof hole when someone on the roof called his attention and said, "Aswang ka rin ba?" ("Are you an aswang too?") His uncle panicked but managed to swing his "itak" (a large knife) on the person. The person screamed in pain and then turned into an animal of some sort and escaped.

Now for my opinion regarding werewolves:

I believe that werewolves,vampires, shapeshifters,whatev er-you-call-thems do exist, but in a negative manner. They sell their souls to the devil in exchange for the power that these things will bring upon them.It's demonic.Period.

Now,faith skeptics could criticize me but that is what I believe and I am going to stand by that.

[Okami no hi]

Hi, I am pretty new too. I also do beleive in the Lycia and Lamia. I am a chistian, but I do not beleive all werewolves are demonic. I do not beleive what I have heard, but that which I have witnessed with my own eyes. My freinds and I are christians, we never asked to become cursed. Does it make us evil, if we did not sell our souls? Beleive me or not, I do not care. And for all I have read asking methods of which to become a werewolf, it is a desease that travels through the saliva. And trust me, you do not want to become like us. You won't beleive me I bet, but I do not care. Just do not call me demonic again please?

[DarkWolf]

Return to the topic, please. The topic is a debate on whether there is potential truth to the werewolf myth.

[machokismachok]

But my post was on-topic...I was telling some probable evidences, and so is Okami no hi.... :confused:

[MorganaFang]

But my post was on-topic...I was telling some probable evidences, and so is Okami no hi.... :confused:

You say your own experiences are probable, not evidence but probable evidence.

The curse of the werewolf also sounds similar to a kissing disease. You got evidence back it up with fact and picture don't tell us how we why we should believe you.

And man, you are on a werewolf site, not a christian board. I do not think the majority of us perceive demonic as an insult.

[Okami no hi]

machokismachok and I did not say that you should beleive us. We were just sharing what we beleive is truth. I also grew up with my mother calling me demon and I apolagize for getting alittle over defensive this morning. I'm just used to everyone calling me that. But I guess you could say that it is true. Right now I can only show proof to those around where I live. I have been reading these threads and waiting to get my opinion in for over a year, if it takes another year to start proving myself, I promise, as long as this site is running, i will try. I am saving up for a really good web com, but when I read of someone
doing that, they were accused of it being false. And I know this is not a christian board, I just wanted to share a bit about myself. And about the whole man thing...I'm a woman.

[MorganaFang]

And about the whole man thing...I'm a woman.

"Man" in the androgynous, hippy expression way.

And that's something I cannot stress enough. You're under the guise of the internet. No one can tell shit if you're telling the truth about yourself or not. And people need to take that into a very strong consideration when they post such melodramatic statements. I've seen crazy stuff in my life time too, but at the same time I do not going blabb'n it everywhere, there is probably a reason that somethings are not as running rampant.

[Okami no hi]

I guess I sounded different than I though. I know which matter that you had said man in, I was just letting people know for future reference that I am a woman. Sorry, my bad. Also, up until two weeks ago I only went on the internet once, roughly every four months. And I was only allowed on for a half hour.
I only go on the internet to read these threads and to download Fire Team Charlie and Red vs. Blue from iTunes. I love machinima.
I also do not like to watch television. The only werewolf site or show I have seen is this thread and Underworld 1,(which is so false I can't beleive they got away with making it), I really have better things to do than watch that type of $#!t. And I agree with you, it is hard to tell if what people say over the internet is truth. But I guess that is for the readers to decide. Oh, I am off work today which is why I am on the internet today, I could not find anything better to do. This is better than watching tv. Also, I usually do not babble about stuff like this, I am quite afraid of other people. I still get scared when my freinds come over. I have been beaten for babbling, but I am sick of staying in my house hidding. At least if I exspress myself over the internet without giving off too much info, I can only get cyber bullied. I do not like fighting, last time I stood up for myself I was kicked out of school for sending a kid to the hospitol. On the internet I can't fight back physically. Also, I hope we do not end up arguing with one another, I just like debating and I guess it is my fault for not replying right. (I do not type much, as I said, I am new to this thread thing.) I would like to think of you and the others on here as freinds, here to debate things and tell others our opinions. I do not know how to start something like that. As for proof, I am working on that. I am trying to figure out how my digital camera works. I will show my jaw, but not enough face to tell who I am. When I finnaly figure everything out, what kind of pictures would everyone like to see. But no porno. Oh, and where is machokismachok? I want to hear more about the aswang, I read on this site a few months ago about them. It was nice to hear more. Thank you, bye.

[machokismachok]

I think further things about the aswang should be posted on a different thread. I just mentioned it as an answer to this thread's question. Well, if you managed to get your digital camera working you can post the pics in this thread. But let's not hope that a majority of the people here would believe. They really won't until they saw it with their own eyes.

and for the aswang thing, I posted some info on the "Folklore from the Philippines" thread here in Mythology and Metafauna.

[Okami no hi]

Thank you machokismachok, I will head over there now. Perhaps I can ask you some questions some time, as I said, new to threading. Thank you.

[The Believer]

Hey I Believe William If you are not willing to try whats the point also if it is fake whats the harm in trying it ? or is that the question no one wants to answer.

also william i would like a way to contact you i am very curious about shapeshifting which is why i joined the site so please tell me more.

[The Believer]

I have attempted to attach a picture that i found on the net. This was all the proof i needed.

[Layira Aura]

Are you aware that that picture is probably a photoshopped picture and completely fake? Not to be mean, but i'm sure half the people here if not more agree. but, out of curiostiy, where did you get it?

[Okamiotoko]

Are you aware that that picture is probably a photoshopped picture and completely fake? Not to be mean, but i'm sure half the people here if not more agree. but, out of curiostiy, where did you get it?

Im pretty sure he was being factitious about that picture. If not, well, yeah. :eek:

[Layira Aura]

True, probably, but, you never know... :eek:

[The Believer]

Well I actually got it by accident but i believe it's real cause i went back to the place i got it and it was Completely gone.

[MorganaFang]

Well I actually got it by accident but i believe it's real cause i went back to the place i got it and it was Completely gone.

But to the non-believers is this proof enough also I examined it and there is no seems that i could see if you won't even think that it might be real then absolutely nothing else but actually seeing it for your self will.

I will send the picture to anyone via email if they want to examine it.

It is a photoshop image that has been circulating the internet since the late nineties. I saw that when I "actually believed" my first thought was photoshop. The lighting does match the setting with the figure and some of the spots are badly blended.

[The Believer]

Well then in that case im am admitting to being a complete idiot.

But I still believe.

i walk in faith knowing the will of my soul and of god will determine my fate.

But just to have it do you know a link to get a bigger version even if it is fake it is still awsome.

[Hybrid-dog]

Yeh even i can see its photoshoped. But nice try... :D

[ThrasherCub]

I too believe were critters may exist, though I believe it comes about via magick.

This is what I get for dating a member of the Golden Dawn, I guess.

But the person who made that picture goes by the name of Mr. X and has a series of simmilarly made photoshop pics, that being his third best one.

[John 677808]

I have attempted to attach a picture that i found on the net. This was all the proof i needed.

Not bad, would like to look like that. :D

[John 677808]

Are you aware that that picture is probably a photoshopped picture and completely fake? Not to be mean, but i'm sure half the people here if not more agree. but, out of curiostiy, where did you get it?

From the FBI's most wanted site. :D

[DL Lycan]

Somehow I doubt the FBI link their database to google.

[John 677808]

That actually had me convinced for a few minutes until I realised the head looks too unsettled for the rest of the body. ;)

[John 677808]

If Magic is too difficult to reach for something like that, then there is always the possibility of creating something like that in a Lab with advanced genetic technology. Human with Artificial Gene can morph at will assuming enough energy to turn into a Timber Wolf/Werewolf. I am sure that approach could be more effective.
:D

[FreudianSlip]

Human with Artificial Gene can morph at will assuming enough energy to turn into a Timber Wolf/Werewolf

uhm unh?

Well many people before me have said it before... but uh, proof of that?

I'm not an expert on DNA, but im pretty sure scientists dont bother with ''harnessing enough energy'' when they play around genetic materials.

Not to mention mammals shapeshifting back and forth into anything is scientifically impossible -_-'

And while a nice picture, i agree with most of you..its photoshop, and not the best display of it either if you look to details. Still, its nice to dream ;)

[Anu-Hatsum]

I have high hopes for shapeshifting back and forth to either human of animal, or something in the middle...

I doubt however, taht such things will be possible. Let's consider it shall we?

The human genetic code was set to maintain a certain shape, in other words the two legged dolts that we are now. If we were to shapechange into another creature, it wouldm mean to entirely change hundreds of thousands of years of evoulution, in what? Five, maybe, ten minutes?
Next the changing of the genetical code also means that certain parts die out. Since Wolf and Man genetic codes have nothing to do with each other, it would mean that the Ape insignia in our DNA has to completly dissapear (I mean die out) and then change to match that of a Wolf. And then when the period of shapechanging is over, it has to turn back from Wolf insignia to Ape again. That would mean killing the Wolf DNA code and reviving the Ape DNA code.
Besides, eaven if we did manage to change form ape to canine in less then ten minute, you'd think they'd allow it? The FBI, or the Church giving away precious secrets? Seriously...The FBI knows where your car keys are, when you don't...

[kobayashimaru]

You are looking at it from the wrong perspective and are using wrong philosophy. Maybe there are some other ways. Few years ago heart transplant was considered impossible :D

[Vagabond Flow]

The first heart transplant happened nearly forty years ago.

[MorganaFang]

The first heart transplant happened nearly forty years ago.

Well even so, heart transplants are still a tricky area, because a body can reject an organ and also organ transplants don't work in different species.

[Anu-Hatsum]

Changing shape is as possible as teleportation. Not gonna' happen. Unless the worlds of either Lord of the Rings, or Advanced Dungeons or Dragons leek into ours, I really don't see it happening any time soon...

[DarkWolf]

Changing shape is as possible as teleportation. Not gonna' happen. Unless the worlds of either Lord of the Rings, or Advanced Dungeons or Dragons leek into ours, I really don't see it happening any time soon...
Actually teleportation is physically possible. We probably won't achieve it for a very, VERY, long time. But it is possible judging by our current understanding of physics.

[FreudianSlip]

Actually teleportation is possible and HAS happened already...

Ill try to find the exact articles but a group of scientists manage to teleport an atom or a molecule of some kind like a year or two ago i believe using quantum entanglement..made the news ..

of course, teleporting COHERENT structures like items or a being ..thats FAR from done :P

And yes mutations and transformations are all also plausible..but controlling *mentally* such energy is , imo, a far out theory.

And with mutation..there's no real turning back... i mean, scrambling DNA and trying to fix it afterwards...heh

EDIT: Well didnt find anything recent but here's what i was talking about:

http://www.space.com/businesstechnology/technology/quantum_teleportatio n_010926.html

Im gonna try to find something more recent..i believe they had made a breakthrough in the years following..

2nd Edit: For some reason i decided to dig deeper, they havent been able to teleport anything yet, but they have teleported a quantum property (the polarization state in this case) from one entangled proton to another.

...now why the hell did i make such a huge parenthesis on teleportation....

[Anu-Hatsum]

Teleporting atoms is simple. You take an atom and send it somewheres, that's not what I meant by teleportation. I meant by teleportation is not possible, by looking at multi-cellular beings.
Now how are you supposed to store a whole human being on a hard drive? 10 GB enough? Sure they are...If oyu make a milion of them or more...

[FreudianSlip]

heh, i agree on the far fetched nature of complete teleportation heh..

How do you transfer someone's spirit? And if they ever suceed, will that prove that spirit and soul and all of that is nothing more than the sum of your organic components?

The day they make a breakthrough in teleportation, the spiritual world shall weep the loss of many mysteries ;)

[shaddow_hunter]

Nicely said, but does it matter in the end? The human race seeks to know all there is to know. An impossible task, I assure you, but that will not stop their attempts. If humans could teleport multicellular beings, they would instantly set a task of testing the limits of what they could teleport, where. It is what people do.
Anyway, back on topic, does Williwm happen to know what is going on with his book? I know it was avaliable before, then taken off ebay, but what about now? Is there still a way to obtain it? I wish to attempt to discover the wonders of shapeshifting.
By the way, I am sure there are alot of others out there on ww.com who also seek to change. My question to those who apply is this: why do you hide what you truely desire from everyone here? Yes, you may be ridiculed, as I am sure I may be, but why should that stop you? If becoming a werewolf is what you really want, then do what your heart tells you.
>Shaddow_Hunter

[BCvonRayfus]

Yes, just try and become a werewolf on your own...wonderful idea. Let's all become satanic and/or witchy and whatnot and smear ourselves with pig fat while standing in the middle of precisely drawn circles in dirt...on a full moon night...and wait for demons to pop up...maybe after a few beers...and.....LSD. No offense, I believe in werewolves, but...trying on your own...yeah.....I wouldn't attempt.

[Okami no hi]

I know an ex-satanist who summoned a demon werewolf and suck it on a christian. It couldn't hurt her and when it came back it threatened to kill him and hurt his neck by sqeezing it. Not sure if it was true, but I heard it at a Prophecy Club meeting, a christian get-together thingy.
I'll get his name by tomarrow for ya.

[DarkWolf]

I know an ex-satanist who summoned a demon werewolf and suck it on a christian. It couldn't hurt her and when it came back it threatened to kill him and hurt his neck by sqeezing it. Not sure if it was true, but I heard it at a Prophecy Club meeting, a christian get-together thingy.
I'll get his name by tomarrow for ya.
. . .

I don't know what to say to that. Beyond, "ugh".

[william_wraithe]

Nicely said, but does it matter in the end? The human race seeks to know all there is to know. An impossible task, I assure you, but that will not stop their attempts. If humans could teleport multicellular beings, they would instantly set a task of testing the limits of what they could teleport, where. It is what people do.
Anyway, back on topic, does Williwm happen to know what is going on with his book? I know it was avaliable before, then taken off ebay, but what about now? Is there still a way to obtain it? I wish to attempt to discover the wonders of shapeshifting.
By the way, I am sure there are alot of others out there on ww.com who also seek to change. My question to those who apply is this: why do you hide what you truely desire from everyone here? Yes, you may be ridiculed, as I am sure I may be, but why should that stop you? If becoming a werewolf is what you really want, then do what your heart tells you.
>Shaddow_Hunter

The release date was postponed a few times and I truly apologize for that ... long story dealing with the publisher saying that he wanted to edit the information (make it useless so to speak) and I flat out told him I wanted the book to be published as is so that those who choose to buy and use it will not be disappointed. It will be out in the next few days, whenever they get it up on the new release list .... as far as Mandrake Publishing goes, there is no comfirmed word as of yet to when they will take it. Otherwise, you will have to rely on Octavia & Co. Press .... I aoplogize for those who have waited forever..

By the way, (not intended towards who I clicked the reply on) it is with deepest regret that some people still claim that were-creatures and shapeshifting does not exist and think it to be impossible ... for those of oyu who think this, in about a year or so you will have a revelation ... consider this message the premonition of all super wake-up calls ... the change is coming.

William

[william_wraithe]

Changing shape is as possible as teleportation. Not gonna' happen. Unless the worlds of either Lord of the Rings, or Advanced Dungeons or Dragons leek into ours, I really don't see it happening any time soon...

The military has operations going on right now trying to perfect teleportation ... like the Philadelphia Experiment. They tried using high currents of magnetism to make a cloaking device large enough for a destroyer and instead created a temporary wormhole. The destroyer was originally off the coast of new york and ended up a few hundred (or thousand, I forget) miles from it's original starting point.

Read up laddie ..

William

[UNODRAGONE]

The military has operations going on right now trying to perfect teleportation ... like the Philadelphia Experiment. They tried using high currents of magnetism to make a cloaking device large enough for a destroyer and instead created a temporary wormhole. The destroyer was originally off the coast of new york and ended up a few hundred (or thousand, I forget) miles from it's original starting point.

Just curious where you got this information from, I am in the Army and I am pretty resourceful I like to know of anything odd or different I should say going on and I have not heard this before

[LV426]

Let's all become satanic and/or witchy and whatnot and smear ourselves with pig fat while standing in the middle of precisely drawn circles in dirt...on a full moon night...and wait for demons to pop up...maybe after a few beers...and.....LSD.


You've been spying on my parties again.

[Cheater388]

I'm still in awe about the fact that there is still a topic here.

[BCvonRayfus]

Yeah...my freaking circles were never big enough... :( :p (kidding)

I'm surprised this thread isn't closed yet. Course, without these forever-long threads, the werewolf-unbelievers (yeah...that's all I could come up with) can't babble on about how they need their frakkin proof to believe in them, and explain over and over how it's not scientifically possible for werewolves to exist and all! GOOD GRAVY!!!! How about we all calm down before somebody gets SHOT or something?! :eek:

[BCvonRayfus]

Ope, I just got shot.

[william_wraithe]

Just curious where you got this information from, I am in the Army and I am pretty resourceful I like to know of anything odd or different I should say going on and I have not heard this before

Apparently not resourceful enough ...

Since you were in the army you should know everything anyway ... of course, since I was in the navy for 5 years has nothing to do with it because Army is the intelligence of the military ... not.

I guess I should ask you about your security clearance level ... but then again, it wouldn't probably matter ...

William

[william_wraithe]

This thread should be closed because it is retarded to say the least ...


William

[UNODRAGONE]

Since you were in the army you should know everything anyway ... of course, since I was in the navy for 5 years has nothing to do with it because Army is the intelligence of the military ... not.
Hold your guns my friend I understand you have had to be on the defensive side on this site but that was not the intention of my request, I meant exactly what I said where did you get your info from, now obviously the Navy would know different things then the Army and vice versa like I said I like to gather information but I don't go around sharing it unless I know the source that is all that I am asking what source you got it from so this way here when I speak to someone I could say something substantial instead of I heard it from a guy. :)

[UNODRAGONE]

This thread should be closed because it is retarded to say the least ...

just curious as to why you would say that now since you started it, what changed your mind?

[William A.Corvin]

poor people, when will you learn? proof, proof, proof, that´s what you all ask!!, what do u want? something real or some fake proof like FBI does it with fingerprints and DNA?, u are not prepared, and those who are not, shall meet doom...

like Einstein said: it easier to desintegrate an atom, than to change a prejudice.

[DarkWolf]

poor people, when will you learn? proof, proof, proof, that´s what you all ask!!, what do u want? something real or some fake proof like FBI does it with fingerprints and DNA?, u are not prepared, and those who are not, shall meet doom...

like Einstein said: it easier to desintegrate an atom, than to change a prejudice.
Meet doom?

DNA being fake?

If your profile age is accurate then you display actual retardation. Please seek a psychiatrist.

[Canis Lupus]

To me, people may belive what they will, as long as they don't bother me with it. I personally believe that werewolves might exist. Or maybe I want them to exist.

[William A.Corvin]

Meet doom?

DNA being fake?

If your profile age is accurate then you display actual retardation. Please seek a psychiatrist.

understand the following, the word "doom" in that frase refers to ignorance (which im sure you know about it a lot).

everyone asks for proof of existance of werewolfs, but the question is: are they prepared to understand and accept it?, anyway, what i said on my last post was thet anyone can prove werewolf exist, and they have 2 ways to do it:

1) extract REAL DNA from a werewolf
2) fake a DNA sample, i do not know were are your from, or from what time, but nowdays this can be done easily, and im reffering to fake DNA.

any other question regarding this matter, please let me know.