are werewolves real??

[Canis Lupus]

They get Transilvanian munchies! :D
Well, the topic shifted from werewolves to pot.
The two are related anyways.

[Rascaduanok]

Absolutely. Imagine a group of stoned werewolves! Or ones who’d eaten a pothead, and ended up high. They’d sit around, laughing, howling complete babbling nonsense at each other and would never motivate themselves to get up and tear their next victim to pieces! :D

[Canis Lupus]

I was talking more like:
"You HAVE to be a pothead to believe in werewolves."
:D

But your interpretation is fun too. :)

[xxMatolfxx]

Uhhg. Now how immature is that. Ohh well.

We have already voiced our opinions several times. So I'm guessing the topic has shifted a little bit.

[lupine-bianca]

I believe werewolves exist!

Most definately these deadly creatures of the night exist in our imaginations, in our literature, in our film, and in our minds. THEYRE EVERYWHERE!

But seriously, they do exist, just not in the manner that we *want* them to...
though scientifically they *could* *maybe* exist*, I do not belive they exist like that, though.


Savve?

-BRAT!
*the one and only princess*
*because*

[chasingmidnight]

I think you'd have to be insane to believe in werewolves, vampires, ext... But who knows? Maybe one day one really will turn up.

[dracosn]

I believe that they exist and are only remaining in one of their forms so as not to be discovered. In the off chance they don’t exist it is only a matter of time with the scientists doing genetic engineering. We have mapped the human genome as far as the public knows. We now need the genomes of everything else and then we could know if the genetics were even possible. Either way time will tell.

[chasingmidnight]

I don't know why I had never thought of that before... I guess it could happen. I s'pose I'm on the side of believing in werewolves now...

[Canis Lupus]

Damnit, another one joined the dark side. :(

[chasingmidnight]

It's also because I know people who claim to be werewolves. I mean, it's hard to believe, but you never know. And it would make sense for some of them. You'd just have to meet them yourself, I guess.

[xxMatolfxx]

Though you have to remember, that most people who claim to be one aren't. They are just wanting attention.

[chasingmidnight]

I agree with you completely. I think there are lots of people out there who wish they were something other than just average humans, but few who aren't.

[xxMatolfxx]

Those who aren't wouldn't tell you. Most people with abnormal abilities want to keep it secret and wish that they didn't have, so they cold be normal.

[LoupGarou]

Of course take a look at me!;)I don't realy believe... but i want to!and i don't need very much...
MMM nope if I was a werewolf now i would be a king or... may be just a warrior who's fighting for what? I don't know. May be for the love of the Woman!Can one of you my dear pack of wolves tell me how can i love a vampire?
She is the ONLY One!
All demons please help me!
Save me Krom and Hazerot!
I'm just fucking dead...

[chasingmidnight]

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[lupine-bianca]

........

I concur.

*seeking attention?*

[LoupGarou]

Nooooooooo u re not HER!She's beatiful realy, realy beautiful... Not like marlyn monro! She is... My Love!!!
Forgive me God I give all for Her!!!All!
:eek: ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLUU UUUUUUUUUUUUUuuuuuuu uuuu...
:cry:
...lost in bleeding and tears...

[Shalinda]

Lol, ur a good actor :D

[specopssoldier]

sorry for this short post guys.....


but please can an admin take care of loupgarou?.

even i begin to get a headache....

[chasingmidnight]

Once again, ............. or shal I say, DOT DOT DOT, in all capitals, how speshul! (Yes, sp. is wrong on purpose) :) :( :p Sorry, random hyper moment! *ramble, ramble, ramble*

[LoupGarou]

...
even i begin to get a headache....
....
So specopssoldier i've heard that humans take some pill that they called aspirin...

[DarkWolf]

...
even i begin to get a headache....
....
So specopssoldier i've heard that humans take some pill that they called aspirin...
It's a shame the morons like yourself don't also take a pill of what I like to call "cyanide".

[Rele WT]

Okay, well I didn't feel like ready all 28 pages, as you might imagine I wouldn't, but here's how I seeit: They do excist, and so do other animals like weretigers, but I feel there's only a few left in the world. Wereanimals can only excist from being bitten by another wereanimal, if they reproduce the child is human. So there's probably only like one or two wereanimals left in the world.

[Rascaduanok]

Okay, well I didn't feel like ready all 28 pages, as you might imagine I wouldn't, but here's how I seeit: They do excist, and so do other animals like weretigers, but I feel there's only a few left in the world. Wereanimals can only excist from being bitten by another wereanimal, if they reproduce the child is human. So there's probably only like one or two wereanimals left in the world.What scientific proof do you have that the condition doesn’t develop into a hereditary one?

Incidentally folks, for those who say lycanthropes exist, I once killed a werewolf with my bare hands by putting it into an RNC until it passed out, and then snapping its neck like a breadstick. Purely self–defence, you understand!

[chasingmidnight]

Heh. I agree with Rele. Only a few left, and you'd have to get bitten. I'd also imagine it'd be very hard for were animals to bite someone without killing them due to instinct. Anyway, off to post elsewhere...

[Rele WT]

What scientific proof do you have that the condition doesn’t develop into a hereditary one?

That question could go either way. But what scientific proof you ask? We have no scientific proof that they exist at all, so why do you require scientific proof about how they come about?
And don't say that your killing of one is scientific proof, because although I think it could have happened (I'd have to know you in real life to know if I should or shouldn't believe it) unless you have witnesses (sp?) who you have not spoken to before, or a video recording, there's no scientific proof to say if they exist.
It's really kind of similar to a religion, not that I'm saying wereanimals are gods or anything, but that one person my say they spoke to God or something, but another person says that god doesn't exist, or there is no greater power in the universe or what ever.
So from my beliefs and experiences the only way to become a wereanimal is to be bitten by another wereanimal of that same kind. As ChasingMidnight said, it would be hard for a wolf, or what ever kind of predator the wereanimal is to bite and taste blood, but not kill. That's why the wereanimal race is shrinking...

[itsmejennxxk]

I truely believe that lycans exist. Though I'm not entirely sure that I've ever met one, I do know that I will one day. I feel like sometimes I may be a potentiallycan... I've always felt the certain pull toward the moon and I've always felt like wolves were my closest bretheren. I know, you may consider me weird, but this is what I think.

[xxMatolfxx]

Yes, Yes, I love a tasty argument!

[itsmejennxxk]

lol nice =P

[chasingmidnight]

I want to be part of the argument! Argument= fun!!! weeeee

[Octopus-face]

I truely believe that lycans exist. Though I'm not entirely sure that I've ever met one, I do know that I will one day. I feel like sometimes I may be a potentiallycan... I've always felt the certain pull toward the moon and I've always felt like wolves were my closest bretheren. I know, you may consider me weird, but this is what I think.

Don't worry, were all a little weird, that why were here. Besides nobody got anywhere being normal

[Necro Mortis]

Werewolves exist but the only way to become one is to drink bleach. Try it and see if you truly believe!

... cherry tard anyone?

[Octopus-face]

Intresting info I just found. Wolves and humans share about 95% (which also means we are more closely related to the family carnivoria then we are to any other mammalian family besides primates and bats) of the same DNA. Eventually scientist will have the ability to merge DNAs sharing at least 9 million similar minutae. In laymen's terms anything sharing 92% DNA similarity and the other 8% would be sythetically sidicated (meaning blended together by the scientist basically). So eventually there could be real werewolf children running around. Well techically if 92% is needed we could have lizard children. But this is technology to come, yet still in the works.

[Rascaduanok]

Then shouldn’t we have more talk of werechimps? Considering we share more than 98% of the same DNA with chimpanzees…

[chasingmidnight]

Werechimp. Now that's something that I hadn't thought about before.

[dracosn]

Yes we are close in DNA to that of chimps and the similar primates. However think about it and im quoting this from a movie that I don remember. That two percent makes all of the difference it has given us a different form, Beethoven da Vinci and of course the atom bomb. Just because were similar doesn’t mean a lot it just represents the possibility I doubt we are that far off from most other land mammals including wolfs.

[chasingmidnight]

Now you're getting this picture in my head of a freakish looking chimp attacking someone. lol. :p Maybe I just watch too many science Fiction movies!

[Octopus-face]

Yes we are close in DNA to that of chimps and the similar primates. However think about it and im quoting this from a movie that I don remember. That two percent makes all of the difference it has given us a different form, Beethoven da Vinci and of course the atom bomb. Just because were similar doesn’t mean a lot it just represents the possibility I doubt we are that far off from most other land mammals including wolfs.

True, humans are smarter. Yet in reality, who much smarter? You might think "well alot, duh, look you don't see a monkey driving a car." Nothing wrong with that. But think about a cave man, could he drive a car? Likely not. We are not born with the ability do things that make human society what it is. If a child was born and grew up on its own without being influenced by human society then if would be only slightly more intellegent the the chimp. It is because humans lived together and learned to live off the others that allowed human society to take its first steps out of the darkness. The first human langauages did not consist of complex grunts symbolizing different words, they used there hands. The same way we try and talk to someone who does not speak english. How smart are chimps? Pretty smart. They can use hand symbols or point to written symbols on a board to say things like: like that, I don't like that, I love you, I am mad, I am upset, and even as complex as asking for a Coke instead of a Sprite. We used our human society to educate animals, and it seems like they (well at least chimps) have almost the same potential as humans. Is that too confusing? I'm not sure if I made understandable or not. I would be happy to expalin if you don't

[xxMatolfxx]

Wow, I would of never thaught someone would bring up werechimps.

[BlackRosePhantom]

First off, I read to page 13 and got irritated. Of course I then jumped like 12 pages and came to the DNA thing with the were-chimps. Now that you know what I read, I just want to say most of it is bull sh!t! I don't know if werewolves do exist, but I'm leaning on the part in which they don't. I am a hard core scientific atheist (and I plan to become a geneticist), but that doesn't mean I'm not open minded or that I don't have an imagination. Also, atheist aren't satanist or even close. I got on to this site because I like to put myth in the most logical, non magical, form. Now here is my theory about werewolves.

There are two kinds of werewolves. Pure-breeds and human changed. Pure-breeds wouldn't shape-shift at all, and human changed would experience a metamorphosis that last for a month for so. It would be painful. They would be transformed because they were attacked by a werewolf (most likely they, the human, started it) and were infected by the werewolf's DNA. The DNA (i mean a few cells and not just a single strand) would be dominate and infuse and take over the human's own DNA.

Now for autonomy. Werewolves would be able to see in all colors that don't include yellow in them, and they will also be, more or less, farsighted, like real wolves (OMG, you never knew that!). They could stand on two legs but prefer to be on all fours (kind of like George W. Bush Jr. with reading). Their skulls would resemble that of the Neanderthal (cavemen that aren't ancestors of modern human), except a bit more narrow. The skin would be twice as thick, an the werewolves' hands would look small and swelled compared to ours. They would have an undercoat that is about a centimeter long and an overcoat that more twice in length. The Werewolves' tail would be about a decimeter long. They would have 40 teeth (half way in between the number for humans and wolves) and more so wolf like claws. Their muscular system would more or so resemble ours, while their skeletal system would more or so resemble a wolf's. Their width (inner shoulder to inner shoulder) would be a third of their length (neck to butt)(a human's width is about 1/2 while a wolf's is about 1/4). A full moon would give them an abnormally massive adrenaline rush. They can smell a kilometer away and hear ten.

As for intelligence, in actual let's sit down and start thinking they are only 90% as smart as we are :( , yet for on the spot planning, teamwork, and naturally reacting they are about 20% better :) . Also, they can actually cooperate with each other, unlike humans, and do find it necessary to eliminate (by exclusion from pack or death :eek: , like a capital crime for humans, packs only survive through cooperation) anyone that isn't cooperative with the pack.

They would probably worship nature in general, like the Native Americans. Some would just worship the moon alone, and even fewer would believe in Christianity (hey, there are a few homosexuals that believe in it as well). This is my logical opinion on how I feel that werewolf would be like if they did exist. I don't mean to be rude to Christianity; I'm just saying that science hates you. Please tell me your own opinion (even you Christians) on my logical thinking. Also, don't get me wrong in not believing in werewolves, but science is very strict and demanding. I do wish that werewolves did exist. I'm even writing a fantasy book where the main character is a werewolf, but until there is solid evidence I can only assume that they don't exist. Thank you and goodbye. :D

[Goth Girl]

It seems like you're an Evolutionist, in which case science will also hate you. No offense. I have studied Creation Science and Evolution since I was little and Creation more than Evolution ended up coming out on top. Sure they both can't explain some things but I found Creation explains more things and mutch better. Now I am going to have to go get out my old notebooks I bet but I will if you want me to explain why I say science is against Evolutionists. And if she reads this, sorry to NeonLightChild. I will get to you but I am still learning mutch about my family and even some stuff that's pretty cool. I do have full intensions to pm/email you still. Am just getting things written down and sorted through.

[BlackRosePhantom]

If you mean that "god created the universe" as a Creationist then science actually supports the Evolutionist more for the simple fact that science disproves god. Also, if you have watched the science channel lately (meaning in the past year) you would know that some scientist think that they have the big bang figured out. It is to complex to explain right now (meaning that I'm to lazy to type a half a page or more at this moment). Of course I'd still like to see your evidence that science, based on the facts and nothing but the facts (at this current time), supports your Creationist. Good luck *being sarcastic*. I could actually get a list of all the times science has shot down the bible starting with rainbows being supernatural (yes, the bible did say this, and I am not making this up).

[Goth Girl]

Well, you'll have to give me awhile to reread all my notes and books. But there are people here that I have promised to get facts on stuff that I kept my word on. Just takes me awhile but if you're willing to stick around and come on the site afew times a months to look for a PM from me I will indeed get to it. I am actually planning on another creation dig in afew months that I often learn mutch on. And I myself would also love to hear what yer Evolution has backing it up as well. Since I've not EVER seen any fact proving ANY Evolutionary theory. Oh, I did not mean Creation Science as proving God exists but by proving that the earth is not Millions of years old and proving the Bible and that man did live with the Dinos and not after them. As I have said, neither Evolution nor Creation can fully prove themselves so i will not get into God himself but the Earth and stuff like that. Well, maybe I'll get into more Gidly things. Never know with me. But I will happy to discuss everything with you. I just wish you were'nt so negative towards Christians and the Bible. I have nothing against Evolutionists. Just never had any proof of it shown to me. Well, I am off soon to go to bed (if possible) so I can get reading in afew hours. Bye.


PS, about the rainbow, I'd beleive it. See, people back then had trouble explaining things just like now-a-days. Hell, if you ever read about the flying scroll and the metal mountains I bet you never thought about the Trade Towers being the topic of that scripture in the Bible. Read the whole thing and think about it. I plane can look like a scroll in a way and where it says something about the word woman, the word was mistranslated and means fire, not woman. Kinda cool, but yes, it is off topic. Bye.

[Celtic Hill]

:p :p They are real... I am one... I'm going to eat u all................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .......:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :p :p

[Layira Aura]

Honestly, the overuse of smileys in getting rather annoying. I'm sure I speak for everyone else here too, so knock it off. Please!

[Celtic Hill]

Ok fine...you DOG

[Rele WT]

I don't think that that was called for.

[Layira Aura]

Its okay, really. We know each other personally and he was only joking...Right??

[Rele WT]

I see. Well either way.

[triple h]

yeah they do go to monstrous.com and click on ways to become a werewolf you'll see

[triple h]

I Am The Game

[BlackRosePhantom]

PS, about the rainbow, I'd beleive it. See, people back then had trouble explaining things just like now-a-days. Hell, if you ever read about the flying scroll and the metal mountains I bet you never thought about the Trade Towers being the topic of that scripture in the Bible. Read the whole thing and think about it. I plane can look like a scroll in a way and where it says something about the word woman, the word was mistranslated and means fire, not woman. Kinda cool, but yes, it is off topic. Bye.

I know that, but when people try to prove it wasn't a supernatural occurance made by god the RC would take away their church membership, saying that they would go to hell, and put them under house arrest for their lives.

[Lilith]

It seems like you're an Evolutionist, in which case science will also hate you. No offense. I have studied Creation Science and Evolution since I was little and Creation more than Evolution ended up coming out on top. Sure they both can't explain some things but I found Creation explains more things and mutch better. Now I am going to have to go get out my old notebooks I bet but I will if you want me to explain why I say science is against Evolutionists.


Every time I read one of your posts I get the impression you are frantically typing the first thought that pops into your head.

Please thoroughly think about what you wish to communicate before you type... or at least before you hit the "Submit Reply" button.

[West]

yeah they do go to monstrous.com and click on ways to become a werewolf you'll see

If this wasn't the internet I would put the smackdown on you.

[Goth Girl]

Not quite. I do a quik recap and then type. But since I often start typing only to get called on or need to get off I often find myself needing to rush as I am halfway through my posts. I did mean what I said though. It may take awhile for me to get around to it but as some know I do eventually get around to what I say I'll do. And I really meant that I will read and post and stuff. I would love to get into an Evolution Science vs. Creation Science debate. I find them fun and interesting. Though I have honestly never had mutch of a challenge cuz the Evo's can't answer my questions and run outta things to shoot back. If BRP can prove something that'd be great.

I am busy reading about afew other things at the moment and I really need to get back to Neon Light Child about something as soon as I can but I have so mutch stuff I am learning about.

Now I know I'll prolly get flamed for this but I think Hurricane Katrina was no natural occurance. I think it was created by Russia. Which that is another topic I'd like to turn into a thread soon. Anyone else ever hear about Scaler Waves? I've been talking about them since 5th grade and got the shit beat outta me for it. Now I look at Katrina pics and they deffinately show signs that a Scaler Wave could've been the cause of the hurricane. And notice how Katrina went towards Texas but then stopped short and headed for Florida or whatever? Hurricanes don't act that way. Like they were on a guided path. But a SW has the power to guide the storms because storms are made outta electrical fields. Static, and whatever.

Yes, I am getting off topic. But I am planning on starting a thread for Tesla Tech and ES vs. CS. I think those would make two cool threads.

[BlackRosePhantom]

First, Hurricanes are practical unpredictable. Second, when spiral storms (hurricanes, tornadoes, etc.) make right turns that means their strength is weakening. The most likely cause of that would be the colder waters of the north. If someone finds reasonable fault in my facts (meaning if they know from reading or watching something that is actually informational) please tell me.

[Lilith]

Now I know I'll prolly get flamed for this but I think Hurricane Katrina was no natural occurance. I think it was created by Russia.


:rolleyes: That's exactly what I'm talking about.
Are you sure you think about what you're saying before you post?

[Tricky]

:p :p They are real... I am one... I'm going to eat u all................. .................... .................... .................... .................... .......:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :p :p

You'll have to catch me first

[datarion]

I just had a thought.
Werewolves are real, because they make them in movies :D , HORRAY for special effects.!!

[lupine-bianca]

DIdn't I sort of say that?
Oh well *shrugs*

I just had a thought.
Werewolves are real, because they make them in movies :D , HORRAY for special effects.!!

[Korrek]

There is no evidence to support the existence of were-creatures.

And yet there is no evidence against the existence of werecreatures.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Fox Mulder - X-files: "I want to believe." Sums up my thought on the existance of werewolves.

[WareW-Believer]

And yet there is no evidence against the existence of werecreatures.
Yet society tends to go the more "logical" way. Look at it this way; if you grow up, as a "normal" person, you're never going to be (or at least the vast majority of people aren't) exposed to even the remotest possibility that werewolves exist, or any other werecreature for that matter. So people say they don't, now that's not what I say, but that's what society is led to "know." Now I'm not expressing my two cents of the argument, I'm simply stating a fact of why your simple one-line comment, as well as everyone elses posts about why or how they exist can be ignored, and/or shotdown. There is more logical evidence that they don't exist over the logical evidence that they do. Though personally I'm in the crowd that believes (dare I say, "knows"?) that werewovles exist.

[xxMatolfxx]

And yet there is no evidence against the existence of werecreatures.
Ok You didn't need to point that out. Honestly!!
Everyone on this site has read people saying this once. I just had to say that I don't care how off topic it is. I think people have covered the topic enough anyway.

[Aeolus]

Ok You didn't need to point that out. Honestly!!
Everyone on this site has read people saying this once. I just had to say that I don't care how off topic it is. I think people have covered the topic enough anyway.

Even for a website that takes its name from were-creatures, we do seem to run that into the ground abit.

[Gray Tooth]

And yet there is no evidence against the existence of werecreatures.

Yeah there is. It's called science.

[_Grey_]

... That's what they say about religion.

Unfortunately (or fortunately... maybe), it doesn't work that way.

_Grey_

[demonic_monkey]

I've seen an assload of scientific shows where they actually state that science cannot explain all the mysteries of the universe. Perhaps werewolves do exist, yet most who claim to be such are, in fact, nutcases. I've researched the topic of werewolves long enough to know that when an actual case does appear the government will not only bar it from public veiw but also try to turn it into a weapon. Maybe the reason nobody can find any evidence is that they have all gone into hiding to keep them safe from their own governments. They could exist. All we can do is wait; they will reveal themselves when the time is right. I believe they're out there... somewhere... to say that science has prooved absolutely that they don't exist is arrogant. Peace out!

[BlackRosePhantom]

I've seen an assload of scientific shows where they actually state that science cannot explain all the mysteries of the universe. Perhaps werewolves do exist, yet most who claim to be such are, in fact, nutcases. I've researched the topic of werewolves long enough to know that when an actual case does appear the government will not only bar it from public veiw but also try to turn it into a weapon. Maybe the reason nobody can find any evidence is that they have all gone into hiding to keep them safe from their own governments. They could exist. All we can do is wait; they will reveal themselves when the time is right. I believe they're out there... somewhere... to say that science has prooved absolutely that they don't exist is arrogant. Peace out!

First off, saying "science can't disprove something and therefor it has the possibility of existing" is total bull. First off, every creature leaves behind some hint of its existence, and if any evidence or "hints" of its can't be found then we can only logically assume (again leaning on the logical side) that it doesn't exist. On the off chance that they did exist, they would leave behind evidence, like bones, footprints, etc. Second, the werewolf is a mixture of two different species that aren't even closely related. To be able combine their DNA in a sustainable manner, well that's right down close to impossible (you're more likely to be attacked by a healthy, completely wide wolf, which is less likely than being struck by a meteor). Humans and wolves have so many genes that go against each other, if the sperm and egg accepted each other, well that poor creature would most likely die (a very long and agonizing death) a few days after its birth at most. Third, a person that doen't believe in a werewolf isn't arrogant, especially if they can back up why they believe/not belive in such. Of course, if someone doesn't believe "just because they don't", then yes, they hold no more of an argument against those who do believe in werewolves or whatever.

[demonic_monkey]

Sure, the two species have completely different genetic patterns and I'll grant that I was wrong to call disbelief arrogant, however, there may be some possibility that they do exist. If they aren't real, that's okay and those of us who believe in their existence can move on to more important matters but what if they do exist? Would it be irrational to say that any kind of government has the resources to keep them hidden from the public eye, to be able to make even the most isolated case just disappear? The U.S. government conceals several facts from the public, like Congress selling weapons to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, but, like it or not, these things do eventually get out and when they do, the government tries to divert attention away from the secrets that are discovered by, oh, let's say, starting a war destined to become a quagmire.

It's not altogether impossible that they're keeping the existence of werecreatures hidden. Think about it...

[BlackRosePhantom]

Sure, the two species have completely different genetic patterns and I'll grant that I was wrong to call disbelief arrogant, however, there may be some possibility that they do exist. If they aren't real, that's okay and those of us who believe in their existence can move on to more important matters but what if they do exist? Would it be irrational to say that any kind of government has the resources to keep them hidden from the public eye, to be able to make even the most isolated case just disappear? The U.S. government conceals several facts from the public, like Congress selling weapons to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, but, like it or not, these things do eventually get out and when they do, the government tries to divert attention away from the secrets that are discovered by, oh, let's say, starting a war destined to become a quagmire.

It's not altogether impossible that they're keeping the existence of werecreatures hidden. Think about it...

Yeah... Are you high by any chance? Say, if the government was keeping secrets from us, then how did they get out? What you're saying just sounds like one big idiotic consperacy. Well, only the words of this comic can explain how I feel about your "government hiding werewolves consperacy". I took this comic from Red_Queen, and I hope you get the message. Now, without further ado, here it is:

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conspiracy_theories. png

P.S. Red_Queen, I hope you don't mind if I borrow this comic.:D

[Lambog]

Will people please stop saying the 'if' word.
We either do or we dont have evidence to say they do exist which means they dont exist untill we do find evidence.
So lets go on a funded trip to find one and MAKE evidence.

And by the way this website is to do with werewolves so lets talk about werewolves.

[demonic_monkey]

Alright, it does sound like a conspiracy theory. I don't know if the gov't is hiding their existence, but they do hide things. Prove me wrong. Then I will bow to your superior resources.





P.S.-Sure, I was high last night. Sue me!

[Niktoma]

We either do or we dont have evidence to say they do exist which means they dont exist untill we do find evidence.


That sounds an awful lot what my college philosophy professor called argumentum ad ignorantiam.;)

[Galhadrian]

Sure, the two species have completely different genetic patterns and I'll grant that I was wrong to call disbelief arrogant, however, there may be some possibility that they do exist. If they aren't real, that's okay and those of us who believe in their existence can move on to more important matters but what if they do exist? Would it be irrational to say that any kind of government has the resources to keep them hidden from the public eye, to be able to make even the most isolated case just disappear? The U.S. government conceals several facts from the public, like Congress selling weapons to North Vietnam during the Vietnam War, but, like it or not, these things do eventually get out and when they do, the government tries to divert attention away from the secrets that are discovered by, oh, let's say, starting a war destined to become a quagmire.

It's not altogether impossible that they're keeping the existence of werecreatures hidden. Think about it...

I think I just vomited in my mouth. The government, concealing werecreatures? Truly this is the stuff anuerysms are made of.

Sure, I was high last night. Sue me!

Thus credibility evaporates...

Now, as someone who does believe in werewolves and physical shifting as a possibility (I can hear them coming with their pitchforks...) I almost sympathize with you, but, I have to go with BlackRosePhantom's point that, (modern) science or not, the creature would leave some kind of evidence or another of its existence. Science, when stretched as far as it can go, will eventually, I believe, explain what 'ghosts' are, what makes one 'psychic', what maegen (what most would know as 'chi' or'ki') is, etc. Maybe when it gets to that point we'll know if physically changing is 'scientifically posible'.

(And to explain why I believe it is possible, we'll say that I trust science only a bit more than I trust people...)

Forgive my sleepy typos!

[Layira Aura]

Well, just because science says something isn't possible doesn't make what they say true. In fact, they said that its impossible for bees to fly, yet they can. And bats, technically their brains are too small to incorporate all things required for their echolocation and flight manuevers(because of the sound waves getting to the object and back faster than the bat flies toward it. Yes, vague description.). And yet, the bats still manage to fly around without killing themselves. And they can even differentiate between objects just with sound waves. But science contradicts that.

There's a lot of things we can't explain with science, perhaps werewolves are one of them?

[BlackRosePhantom]

Well, just because science says something isn't possible doesn't make what they say true. In fact, they said that its impossible for bees to fly, yet they can. And bats, technically their brains are too small to incorporate all things required for their echolocation and flight manuevers(because of the sound waves getting to the object and back faster than the bat flies toward it. Yes, vague description.). And yet, the bats still manage to fly around without killing themselves. And they can even differentiate between objects just with sound waves. But science contradicts that.

There's a lot of things we can't explain with science, perhaps werewolves are one of them?

That's not true. At first science was puzzle by how insects could fly, then they looks at the air patterns it created which actually caused the lift. Also, bats can see!!! They can't see that good, but they can see none the less. Also, isn't it a good thing that the sound wave get back to the bat before it actually comes in contact with it? And the bat's brain being to small, where did you hear that? Besides, these animals show us evidence of what they can do, while their is a lack of evidence of werewolves, period! Why? Because something that doesn't exist can't give us evidence that it exist, and the complete absance of evidence can only make us infer that it doesn't.

[Layira Aura]

That's not true. At first science was puzzle by how insects could fly, then they looks at the air patterns it created which actually caused the lift. Also, bats can see!!! They can't see that good, but they can see none the less. Also, isn't it a good thing that the sound wave get back to the bat before it actually comes in contact with it? And the bat's brain being to small, where did you hear that? Besides, these animals show us evidence of what they can do, while their is a lack of evidence of werewolves, period! Why? Because something that doesn't exist can't give us evidence that it exist, and the complete absance of evidence can only make us infer that it doesn't.

Well, the point is that for many years, science said it was impossible that bees could fly. Now however, we have evidence to the contrary. Maybe in fifty years we'll discover how it is possible for werewolves to exist and it'll be old news. With bats, they may be able to see, yes but the point of that was: They use echolocation for things they CAN'T see. In other words, too far away to see. And yes, it is a good thing. But the scienctists are still having trouble figuring out how they can manage.

The argument wasn't to prove the existence of werewolves, or any evidence against them. The general theme was indicating that even though things may seem impossible, and that science has not yet proved anything against or for it, it could still happen/exist. Get my drift?

[BlackRosePhantom]

Yes, I actually put into a logical way that they could exist, but there still isn't a reason why they would exist. There are no fossils that would point to such a creature. There is no environmental evidence that would say that a creature would even closely need to become like that in order to survive. It's not a question of if they could exist, it's a question of if they would exist.

[Niktoma]

Yes, I actually put into a logical way that they could exist, but there still isn't a reason why they would exist. There are no fossils that would point to such a creature. There is no environmental evidence that would say that a creature would even closely need to become like that in order to survive. It's not a question of if they could exist, it's a question of if they would exist.

We meet again;)

And on this I am almost totally in agreement with you. The world is filled with all kinds of animals who can do all kinds of incredible things, and it is possible there is, or was, an animal that could be confused with a werewolf, sort of how in the old days, sailors saw manatees and believe them to be mermaids. Fossils are actually pretty rare, they only form under specific circumstances, so not having any fossil evidence doesn't really deny anything.

Australian Aboriginal Dreamtime myths include references to animals that have been extinct for thousands of years, does anyone else think that our werewolf stories are a similar kind of artifact, exagerated and adapted, but basically based on some real creature?

[Layira Aura]

Yes, I actually put into a logical way that they could exist, but there still isn't a reason why they would exist. There are no fossils that would point to such a creature. There is no environmental evidence that would say that a creature would even closely need to become like that in order to survive. It's not a question of if they could exist, it's a question of if they would exist.

Niktoma is right, there are no fossil evidence because it takes millions of years for them to form. And that is only under the correct circumstances. Most fossils are formed in tar pits or river beds.

I disagree on that last part. It IS a question of whether they could exist. They don't need a purpose to be here. Not everything has a specific purpose, the world won't be thrown out of order if something is missing. Like the dodo, it's been gone for years and we're still living fine. But that's not the point. The point is that not everything needs a pupose to be here...hope that makes sense.

[BlackRosePhantom]

When I said fossil evidence, I ment like ansectors of a werewolf. A family tree that shows what evolved into it. Also, I never said anything a about a "purpose". All I said that is that a creature wouldn't have to evolve in anyway like a werewolf (big, amazing jumping ability, have both a frontal cortex almost complex as ours and a wide range of natural weapons) in order to survive. It is all just uneeded in every way for nature to make such a creature. So it is a question of would, because it could exist, but there is no reason why it would exist.

[Layira Aura]

When I said fossil evidence, I ment like ansectors of a werewolf. A family tree that shows what evolved into it. Also, I never said anything a about a "purpose". All I said that is that a creature wouldn't have to evolve in anyway like a werewolf (big, amazing jumping ability, have both a frontal cortex almost complex as ours and a wide range of natural weapons) in order to survive. It is all just uneeded in every way for nature to make such a creature. So it is a question of would, because it could exist, but there is no reason why it would exist.

Well, why wouldn't it? The dinosaurs didn't have to exist, but they did. We don't have to exist. Maybe it exists because it wants to, there doesn't need to be a reason for something to exist.

By the way, who says that werewolves are any bigger than normal wolves? Who says that they have amazing jumping ablilities? You never know, they may not be half human half wolf creatures. That is an assumption, and we have to take the different possiblities into account.

[Niktoma]

By the way, who says that werewolves are any bigger than normal wolves? Who says that they have amazing jumping ablilities? You never know, they may not be half human half wolf creatures. That is an assumption, and we have to take the different possiblities into account.

That's true, we have no evidence of any animal ever having these abilities, and they seem to fly in the face of everything we've learned about science and biology. Then again, we're always discovering new things, so you can't dismiss these abilities outright.

It's interesting that the dog was one of the first domesticated animals, as far as we can tell. It does have a kind of mythic logic to it, we put a bit of 'ourselves' into wolves, and came up with dogs, and when we put the wolf into us, we come up with werewolves.

I'm not saying that there was or was not some sort of werewolf. Certainly, something like a dire wolf (They were the size of me!) could inspire all sorts of legends, and even today, there are people with some sort of insight into the canine mind. It would be very easy to imagine that these people have some sort of deep connection with the wolf, up to and including lycanthropy.

That doesn't mean such creatures couldn't, or wouldn't exist. The fossil family trees mentioned earlier are pretty rare, completely constructed, and may not be accurate. We don't have a complete fossil record for every animal, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to believe we never will. There are quite enough holes in our knowledge to fit a werewolf-like creature into;)

[Layira Aura]

That's true, we have no evidence of any animal ever having these abilities, and they seem to fly in the face of everything we've learned about science and biology. Then again, we're always discovering new things, so you can't dismiss these abilities outright.

True. However, it is a bit unrealistic to think that they do have these capabilities when neither ourselves or wolves have them. So my question would be, where did they come from? Besides, when I think of werewolf(and leaning more toward the historical accounts and legend), I come up with a larger and more intelligent version of a wolf. That's how they were first depicted and modern fiction has obscurred that.

It's interesting that the dog was one of the first domesticated animals, as far as we can tell. It does have a kind of mythic logic to it, we put a bit of 'ourselves' into wolves, and came up with dogs, and when we put the wolf into us, we come up with werewolves.

It is interesting. I would like to say that almost every culture has reference to creatures that can be both human and an animal. It's not surprising that the wolf is the most populal, thanks to Hollywood and modern literature.

I'm not saying that there was or was not some sort of werewolf. Certainly, something like a dire wolf (They were the size of me!) could inspire all sorts of legends, and even today, there are people with some sort of insight into the canine mind. It would be very easy to imagine that these people have some sort of deep connection with the wolf, up to and including lycanthropy.

Of course, that depends on what you mean by werewolf. Werewolf is, by definition, a person who can turn themselves into a wolf. Nowhere does it say that the people are mentally diseased. That's lycanthropy.

That doesn't mean such creatures couldn't, or wouldn't exist. The fossil family trees mentioned earlier are pretty rare, completely constructed, and may not be accurate. We don't have a complete fossil record for every animal, and it doesn't seem unreasonable to believe we never will. There are quite enough holes in our knowledge to fit a werewolf-like creature into;)

Correct. We have yet to know all in this world, so it is perfectly feasible to have a werewolf in our history or present. It may not seem like it fits, but hey, its a mysterious world out there. :D

[metalgopher]

do werewolves exist?? wat do u think ? my answer is indeed they do logic may not show it but wen has it ever showed something was or wasnt real u dont have 2 have proof to beleive proof is just something someone made up so people wold beleive them. wat do u think??

i don't think they're real. period.

[metalgopher]

Well, why wouldn't it? The dinosaurs didn't have to exist, but they did. We don't have to exist. Maybe it exists because it wants to, there doesn't need to be a reason for something to exist.

By the way, who says that werewolves are any bigger than normal wolves? Who says that they have amazing jumping ablilities? You never know, they may not be half human half wolf creatures. That is an assumption, and we have to take the different possiblities into account.

yes, everything does have a purpose to exist and this is why I don't think werewolves ever or will exist. there is no purpose for werewolves to do what they supposedly do. and there is no reason to call just a reagular wolf a werewolf because the word "were" means man so if the wolf is just regular why call it a "manwolf"?

[Tekay]

Hell yah that are i am one in heart and soul

[UNODRAGONE]

yes, everything does have a purpose to exist and this is why I don't think werewolves ever or will exist. there is no purpose for werewolves to do what they supposedly do. and there is no reason to call just a reagular wolf a werewolf because the word "were" means man so if the wolf is just regular why call it a "manwolf"?

Because it is able to shift from a man to a wolf

[Layira Aura]

yes, everything does have a purpose to exist and this is why I don't think werewolves ever or will exist. there is no purpose for werewolves to do what they supposedly do. and there is no reason to call just a reagular wolf a werewolf because the word "were" means man so if the wolf is just regular why call it a "manwolf"?

That may be, but explain why everything needs to have a purpose. I never said that we called regular wolves werewolves. This is precisely what I said:


By the way, who says that werewolves are any bigger than normal wolves?


The point of this question: saying that since there is no evidence of werewolves, we can not make a stable fact about what they look like. I said that because of this:

Originally Posted by BlackRosePhantom
When I said fossil evidence, I ment like ansectors of a werewolf. A family tree that shows what evolved into it. Also, I never said anything a about a "purpose". All I said that is that a creature wouldn't have to evolve in anyway like a werewolf (big, amazing jumping ability, have both a frontal cortex almost complex as ours and a wide range of natural weapons) in order to survive. It is all just uneeded in every way for nature to make such a creature. So it is a question of would, because it could exist, but there is no reason why it would exist.


Understand now?

[BlackRosePhantom]

The point of this question: saying that since there is no evidence of werewolves, we can not make a stable fact about what they look like. I said that because of this

So, by your logic, a werewolf might not look anything like what people imagine it to be? Almost a completely different animal, that is almost in no way related by countless myths? So then the werewolf that you're thinking of really isn't a "werewolf" as the common myth (Hollywood aside) says it looks like. Correct me if I interpreted your post wrong.

[Layira Aura]

So, by your logic, a werewolf might not look anything like what people imagine it to be? Almost a completely different animal, that is almost in no way related by countless myths? So then the werewolf that you're thinking of really isn't a "werewolf" as the common myth (Hollywood aside) says it looks like. Correct me if I interpreted your post wrong.

No, I meant that it probably IS more related to the legends and stories(NOT Hollywood). The ones where the people always turn into wolves, not half human things. But what I am trying to point out is that the myths and legends are probably closer(if all the werewolf sightings had some truth) to what a werewolf really is, instead of our view todays.

[BlackRosePhantom]

No, I meant that it probably IS more related to the legends and stories(NOT Hollywood). The ones where the people always turn into wolves, not half human things. But what I am trying to point out is that the myths and legends are probably closer(if all the werewolf sightings had some truth) to what a werewolf really is, instead of our view todays.

The man-wolf beast wasn't created by Hollywood. It was around in Europe even before/around the 1600's (especially in France).

[Layira Aura]

The man-wolf beast wasn't created by Hollywood. It was around in Europe even before/around the 1600's (especially in France).

True, but the loup-garous and lubins of France were not hideous monsters that devoured everything in sight. Most stories of werewolves in history has to do with the person turning into a wolf and not a hybrid.

[Kat-chan]

Okay, I'm not directing this at any one person. Its just my overview of this whole disscussion.

Well, really, it all depends on what you call "werewolf". I mean, there are those who associate the title "werewolf" the the cinematic steriotype that hollywood has set, but there are others that hear Werewolf and think something along the lines of therianthropy.

It all depends on what you FEEL is real. Like someone stated way earlier (along these lines, not the direct quote) "There are alot of different religions and gods/goddess that oppose each other but people still believe." It all basicly boils down to what YOU find true. Some people think that Physical shifting and werewolves don't exsist and others are set on the idea that they do. Whats the point of fighting someon e who is set on the exact opposit theory of yours? I mean there are some who are being very polite about this whole thing, but earlier in this conversation people were attacking each other.

Sorry if this seems off track at all (it probably is) but reading this really made me wonder, so I had to put my piece in.

-Kat

[Niktoma]

Of course, that depends on what you mean by werewolf. Werewolf is, by definition, a person who can turn themselves into a wolf. Nowhere does it say that the people are mentally diseased. That's lycanthropy.


I was, of course, refering to the folklore definition, and not clinical lycanthropy.

I agree that what we know about biology makes the likelihood of actual werewolves impossible, but in the the past few hundred years, we've gone from evil spirits to antibiotics, there's no telling what we could learn in the future. Who knows, the way genetic technology is advancing, there may be a chance for a wolf-human hybrid.

I doubt it, but they doubted germs too.

Personally, I think the werewolf myth fills a need in society, the desire to just cut ourselves off from everyone else and return to nature. I don't think there was ever a 'magical' creature such as a werewolf, and that these stories are just expressions of inner yearnings.

However, everyone told Schliemann that Troy was only a myth. Now, you can go there and take pictures.

[Aeolus]

Personally, I think the werewolf myth fills a need in society, the desire to just cut ourselves off from everyone else and return to nature. I don't think there was ever a 'magical' creature such as a werewolf, and that these stories are just expressions of inner yearnings.

That is a very beautiful way to interpret myth. Most people who shrug things off as such have much less to say.

[Niktoma]

That is a very beautiful way to interpret myth. Most people who shrug things off as such have much less to say.

Thank you. Just because something is a myth doesn't mean it has no value, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't believe in it. Whatever makes you a better person should be what you believe in, without regard to what others think.

[Aeolus]

Thank you. Just because something is a myth doesn't mean it has no value, and it doesn't mean you shouldn't believe in it. Whatever makes you a better person should be what you believe in, without regard to what others think.

I full-heartedly agree, but the Nieztche bots will be around quickly to fuck with us on this one.

[BlackRosePhantom]

I full-heartedly agree, but the Nieztche bots will be around quickly to fuck with us on this one.

Are you talking about me? because I see nothing wrong with what Niktoma says.

[Aeolus]

Are you talking about me? because I see nothing wrong with what Niktoma says.

No.

[Niktoma]

No, I meant that it probably IS more related to the legends and stories(NOT Hollywood).

It is important to note that Hollywood, however much the corrupt the original stories, today fills the role of the ancient storytellers that originated these myths.

While I do belive that Hollywood does corrupt and change these old tales to suit its purposes, it is creating our new myths.

[Lysander]

So then a werewolf sighting vs a wolf sighting would be that the person observing would have to see them turn from or back into their human form. Otherwise they wouldnt have known the difference.

[Niktoma]

So then a werewolf sighting vs a wolf sighting would be that the person observing would have to see them turn from or back into their human form. Otherwise they wouldnt have known the difference.
I'd say that's fair.

[Wulfman Mike]

Yes, They are real.

[Kat-chan]

And like people have asked previously in this conversation, have you seen a physical shift before, or have you done it yourself? Do you have any proof?

[Lysander]

If there was ever a small percentage of the population that could physical shift into wolves, dont you think SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE would eventually notice and phone it in? Even if you could pshift you probably have a higher chance of getting caught and spending the rest of your days in some top secret government research facility where they drug you up and tear your mind apart, than getting unnoticed and living out the rest of your days carefree.

[The Illusionist]

If there was ever a small percentage of the population that could physical shift into wolves, dont you think SOMEBODY SOMEWHERE would eventually notice and phone it in? Even if you could pshift you probably have a higher chance of getting caught and spending the rest of your days in some top secret government research facility where they drug you up and tear your mind apart, than getting unnoticed and living out the rest of your days carefree.

hey now i believe there are real werewolves just like most people believe in god and no ones phoned him in yet

[The Illusionist]

Yes, They are real.
i agree

[Wulfman Mike]

Yea...
Well couldn't the people have seen it change and the werewolves notcied and went and killed them?

Anyways, I know for a fact they are real. 100% sure in italy, but in the states, 3%...

[Kat-chan]

hey now i believe there are real werewolves just like most people believe in god and no ones phoned him in yet
Yes, but theres also the fact that while god is seen by some as a higher being and not nessacarily corporial or can actually be seen, Physical shifters are. For God, the jury is out, but proof CAN be provided for Physical shifting if it indeed does exsist.

[Necro Mortis]

Yes, They are real.


Ahhhhhhhhhhahahahaha hahahahahahahahhahah a!

[UNODRAGONE]

Yes, but theres also the fact that while god is seen by some as a higher being and not nessacarily corporial or can actually be seen, Physical shifters are. For God, the jury is out, but proof CAN be provided for Physical shifting if it indeed does exsist.

What kind of proof would you accept from a shifter? Asking only cause we seem to have a lot of people here who claim proof as well as people who swear up and down they have "seen" or "heard" from God

[Kat-chan]

I am aware. What I was trying to put across in my last post is that proof CAN be provided, IF phsical shifting is possible. Where as god isn't a physical being in the chistian or most religions eye. Less proof can be given for god than for physical shifters.

I would accept any kind of proof as long it wasn't edited in anyway. They can claim all they want, until physical proof is given, most will not believe what they're saying.

[Golden Howl]

Actually, I'm not just going to stop by & say that werewolves are real & leave. I've done some research & there are a variety of explantions for both sides.
I should point out that there's a difference between werewolves & Lycanthropy. Lycanthropy is a mental disorder, in which the person thinks that he/she has the ability to transform into a wolf.
Werewolf is the real thing. Ok here we go.

Here are some ways how werewolves are real:

They say that the human wouldn't actually change into a wolf, that instead the human mind/soul
would be transfered into the body of an already existing wolf. And the person's body would lay somewhere unoccuppied.

Here's another explantion: Werewolf is like another form of demon possession. The witch would do a ritual or something & if she/he did it right, then a demon would arrive. The demon would itself take form of a wolf & do all the killing & running around. While the person's body was just helplessly laying somewhere. Anyway when the demon would get injured during its adventure it would transfer the damage directly to the person's body. Once the demon is done the memory is also transfered to the person, making him/her believe that it was them who changed into a wolf.

One other explantion: The person wouldn't really change into a wolf, instead the demon would cast a spell on the person, & outsiders to create an illusion of a wolf. The person thought they were a wolf, & people who saw him saw a wolf too.

Here's some reasons why werewolves don't exist:

It was some sort of disease called Rabies & another called Porphyria that was mistaken for a werewolf way back then. When they compared the symptones of the two diseases to the werewolf beliefs they were extremely similar.

Another explanion: It was just a rare mental illness.


That's all I've got. But I personally believe that werewolves did exist, but now werewolves are probably gone. However I believe that there are a few out there. And the reasons for werewolves nonexistence I certainly believe as well, but not completely, but that would cut down the population of werewolves back then, because according to the people of the past, that there were a lot of those beast roaming around.

I have left my mark; I shall leave.

[UNODRAGONE]

I am aware. What I was trying to put across in my last post is that proof CAN be provided, IF phsical shifting is possible. Where as god isn't a physical being in the chistian or most religions eye. Less proof can be given for god than for physical shifters.

I would accept any kind of proof as long it wasn't edited in anyway. They can claim all they want, until physical proof is given, most will not believe what they're saying.


?

[Kat-chan]

Okay. Re-doing my explination. I would accept any kind of proof as long as it wasn't tampered with. Video, Picture, anything. I would believe what they were trying to tell me if evidence could be provided, instead of dancing around the idea of providing evidence by saying that we would report them to the government or the shifter would eat the camera.

I'm sorry my last post made no sense at all. :shrug:

[Necro Mortis]

I have left my mark; I shall leave.

Wow! You piss all over something then leave! You really ARE a werewolf!

[UNODRAGONE]

Okay. Re-doing my explination. I would accept any kind of proof as long as it wasn't tampered with. Video, Picture, anything. I would believe what they were trying to tell me if evidence could be provided, instead of dancing around the idea of providing evidence by saying that we would report them to the government or the shifter would eat the camera.

I'm sorry my last post made no sense at all. :shrug:

It could be I had a brain fart :shrug: but that does make sense

[SabineLycaon]

this might confuse you.
it concerns quantum thinking.

a grain of sand in this present day, should it be preserved for 30 years, would still, after that period of time, share a great deal of information about its original state, locked in time. Essentially, it would be entangled with its original state even though it has experienced a change in time.

are werewolves real? well going on the sand idea, if you were to view time as being entangled and constant, then you might be able to say yes..
if werewolves were able to exist in the future, then they would essentially be entangled to the past, ie, the time we are experiencing now.
This going on the notion that what occurs in our past shares information with the future and vice versa.
in essence, they do exist, but only on the information level ascribed to time and the future, we are not yet able to access through our senses, the information attributed to experiencing and seeing for ourselves, real, or as real as possible, werewolves.
so werewolves may be real today, but only because their future appearance is locked with the present day by time.

confused?

[Necro Mortis]

this might confuse you.
it concerns quantum thinking.

a grain of sand in this present day, should it be preserved for 30 years, would still, after that period of time, share a great deal of information about its original state, locked in time. Essentially, it would be entangled with its original state even though it has experienced a change in time.

are werewolves real? well going on the sand idea, if you were to view time as being entangled and constant, then you might be able to say yes..
if werewolves were able to exist in the future, then they would essentially be entangled to the past, ie, the time we are experiencing now.
This going on the notion that what occurs in our past shares information with the future and vice versa.
in essence, they do exist, but only on the information level ascribed to time and the future, we are not yet able to access through our senses, the information attributed to experiencing and seeing for ourselves, real, or as real as possible, werewolves.
so werewolves may be real today, but only because their future appearance is locked with the present day by time.

confused?

This isn't quantum thinking, it's just bullshit, patronised?

[SabineLycaon]

hey, no hostility on my part, or patronisation.
i was just hinting that it might be confusing so you needn't bother read it.
youre right so long as you read it and tried to understand something and its bullshit,rather than it being completely dismissed and still considered bullshit.

[Necro Mortis]

hey, no hostility on my part, or patronisation.
i was just hinting that it might be confusing so you needn't bother read it.
youre right so long as you read it and tried to understand something and its bullshit,rather than it being completely dismissed and still considered bullshit.

Thanks, maybe it's just because I don't understand quantum thingies

[SabineLycaon]

no problem man ^^

entangled was definitely the wrong word to throw in
i know this isnt a physics forum lol

i was just saying that if werewolves are in the future, then whatever happens now is tied to that appearance.
sorry to play off as such an ass, i just checked this forum out and im learning its ways..

another way i feel is that yeah werewolves were real, in some form or another, i think if you put all the religious and folklore stuff aside
thered be some interesting accounts of human-wolf creatures, across many cultures, like native americans etc

[Golden Howl]

Wow! You piss all over something then leave! You really ARE a werewolf! Quite the sense of humor you've got there, when I typed that line I wasn't thinking of it that way. More like I left my pawprint there, but of course now I want to change it because I don't want people to think I'm talking about piss. But nice one though. Interesting to read.

[Raventalon]

Geez you people can get harsh on here! Anyway, did it ever occur to anybody here that they may not exist in this time period, but they HAVE, and will COME BACK? Think about a few things, has the Peter Stubbe/ Stump/ Stubb/ whatever case ever been solved? I've read in multiple books and on multiple sites that when they finally caught him, they found him in "wolf-form" and watched him turn back, or something like that. I don't believe that case has ever been solved, it was the 1300's or 1400's, wasn't it? :hoping a few people on here know what I'm talking about: Thing is, I read that on trial, he told how he got the wolf pelt from Satan, and it gave him shapeshifting abilities. It DOES sound wacky, however, from multiple personal experiances and other things I've been told (by ADULTS, not children who don't know what they're talking about), I highly believe in the possibilities of witchcraft and devil-worship, and that presents many dark possibilities of its own. There were many cases of werewolves, witches, and vampires back then, some explained, some not. These days, don't know if it's just as often those things happen, but there certainly aren't as many believers anymore, and most unbelievers will say "I don't believe in what I don't see." Maybe they WERE here, then left centuries ago, hence the never SEEING THEM. To Christians out there who believe the Revelation prophecy-type stuff, the Bible does say that demons will be released upon earth, and with the presence of demons, I'd think there could be werewolves, vampires, devil-worshipers and witches everywhere. That's just my opinion, say what you want about it. Just think outside the box here....and like everybody else who believes in werewolves on here says, if they would exist, they probably wouldn't themselves be seen too much...


I really don't like how 'witches' have been lumped together with 'demons.' Because witches are real. It's a religion. Several, actually, although from what I've heard the word 'priestess' is much more appropriate. Pagans, those who follow the old path (Druidism, Wicca, Gaea Worship) are simply those who worship often a God and Goddess, and many embodiments of the Earth. There is nothing to do with Satan or evil here-they don't even believe Satan exists.

And about the were-wolf question-I wish they could exist in the "Blood and Chocolate" or "New Moon" and "Eclipse" way. Like, oversized, mutated wolves.
I wish. But all of the reading I've ever done on the subject has come out with a 'no' as the answer. Dissapointing, yes. But the thing that intrigues me about werewolves is not the human part of the creature-but the wolfen part.

For those of you who believe in the traditional werewolf, believe. But for some equally cool alternative to obsessing over the werewolf, how about you try reading up on the Dire Wolf?

[jack skater]

:o Topic Moved to the correct forum. Please remember to use proper grammar and spelling for future posts. Thanks.
:p thats one of my best lines ..its the only way to live

[ville]

I dont think werewolves exist:p

[UNODRAGONE]

I really don't like how 'witches' have been lumped together with 'demons.' Because witches are real. It's a religion. Several, actually, although from what I've heard the word 'priestess' is much more appropriate. Pagans, those who follow the old path (Druidism, Wicca, Gaea Worship) are simply those who worship often a God and Goddess, and many embodiments of the Earth. There is nothing to do with Satan or evil here-they don't even believe Satan exists.

And about the were-wolf question-I wish they could exist in the "Blood and Chocolate" or "New Moon" and "Eclipse" way. Like, oversized, mutated wolves.
I wish. But all of the reading I've ever done on the subject has come out with a 'no' as the answer. Dissapointing, yes. But the thing that intrigues me about werewolves is not the human part of the creature-but the wolfen part.

For those of you who believe in the traditional werewolf, believe. But for some equally cool alternative to obsessing over the werewolf, how about you try reading up on the Dire Wolf?


Nice
http://www.naturalworlds.or g/wolf/history/Canis_dirus.htm

[EarthBobcat]

I dont even understand why people would ask that. Of course they are real I mean therianthropies are wereanimals we just have not learned how to P-shift yet.

[Beasts Rage]

hmm,i would have to say thats a yes,i believe werewolves do exist,but what if they werent keeping themselves hidden just because of scientists and such,what if they had anenmy they were hiding from,something besides vampires,something even more dangerous? just a theory,probably not to accurate,and i didnt put too much thought into it.

:cool:

[Wolfx]

I think we need to be a little realistic here. There is a 99.9% chance werewolfs do NOT exist. As much as I wish they were I'm just gonna have to say they dont. Too much evidence points against it.:( I know...so sad.

[Canis Lupus]

hmm,i would have to say thats a yes,i believe werewolves do exist,but what if they werent keeping themselves hidden just because of scientists and such,what if they had anenmy they were hiding from,something besides vampires,something even more dangerous? just a theory,probably not to accurate,and i didnt put too much thought into it.

:cool:

Quick! Run away before the flames start!
Too late!

Get a life, they DO NOT EXIST!!!

[Beasts Rage]

Quick! Run away before the flames start!
Too late!

Get a life, they DO NOT EXIST!!!

oh? can we be 100% sure of that? honestly i believe they do exist. ;)

[Canis Lupus]

The chance is one in the biggest number you can imagine. With your low IQ, I think that'd be 3 or something, but I think way further than that.

We get loads of idiots saying just what you said. They all leave once they know we're not all stupid.

[MorganaFang]

oh? can we be 100% sure of that? honestly i believe they do exist.

Please attempt proper sentence structure, your previous post was an English teacher's worse nightmare.

It's fine and dandy that you believe but if you're going to properly argue a point you need to bring something to the table to really discuss. Like why you believe? Have you seen physical proof of some sort?

If it's just an "I believe deep down in my heart" thing then I recommend not going forward with discussion unless you can handle some harsh criticisms. You'll find that most people who believe against the existence of werewolves are 99.9999% sure which weighs more in the concrete world than blind faith.

[Aeolus]

hey now i believe there are real werewolves just like most people believe in god and no ones phoned him in yet

Now hang on, you don't need physical proof for deities, however, werewolves exist in the realm of matter. There are differences between the two.

[Beasts Rage]

Please attempt proper sentence structure, your previous post was an English teacher's worse nightmare.

It's fine and dandy that you believe but if you're going to properly argue a point you need to bring something to the table to really discuss. Like why you believe? Have you seen physical proof of some sort?

If it's just an "I believe deep down in my heart" thing then I recommend not going forward with discussion unless you can handle some harsh criticisms. You'll find that most people who believe against the existence of werewolves are 99.9999% sure which weighs more in the concrete world than blind faith.

Ah but unfortuantely,i dont care much for english teachers.

oh i have,ive had more than enough proof,you see the point is,i dont exactly care to argue my claim,im just here to get a few opinions,seeing as most of the people on this site would believe me if i told them my story,i just dont see any point in telling you about it. Odds are about now your thinking about claiming that,since i havnt bothered to defend my claim,im lying,or trying to get attention. Oh well,i guess you will never know.

And one more thing,some werewolves will actually come out with it simply because they know that you will never believe them,which i must say,is quite ammusing. :p :cool:

[Wolfx]

Ah but unfortuantely,i dont care much for english teachers.

oh i have,ive had more than enough proof,you see the point is,i dont exactly care to argue my claim,im just here to get a few opinions,seeing as most of the people on this site would believe me if i told them my story,i just dont see any point in telling you about it. Odds are about now your thinking about claiming that,since i havnt bothered to defend my claim,im lying,or trying to get attention. Oh well,i guess you will never know.

And one more thing,some werewolves will actually come out with it simply because they know that you will never believe them,which i must say,is quite ammusing. :p :cool:

Dude she is not asking you to use grammer she is TELLING you. Read the rules if you have'nt already.

[Beasts Rage]

Dude she is not asking you to use grammer she is TELLING you. Read the rules if you have'nt already.

Yes but the question you should ask yourself is,do i care? you see,an order only works if a person actually cares to follow it,besides,you could say im merely "passing through" im looking for something,and i Will find it. oh and,feel free to have someone delete my account at any time,i never intended to remain here. Ciao! :cool:

[Aeolus]

Yes but the question you should ask yourself is,do i care? you see,an order only works if a person actually cares to follow it,besides,you could say im merely "passing through" im looking for something,and i Will find it. oh and,feel free to have someone delete my account at any time,i never intended to remain here. Ciao! :cool:


What the hell are you doing? I've been reckless, but this is just obscene. And may I ask, what is it that you are looking for?

[MorganaFang]

What the hell are you doing?

They are attention Whoring.

bum bum bum baaaah the DRAMA and the BAD WRITING.

[Aeolus]

They are attention Whoring.

bum bum bum baaaah the DRAMA and the BAD WRITING.

I couldn't tell. I only read the interesting lines, which admittedly, weren't so many in number.

[Canis Lupus]

I've heard West's whole family will be shredded to pieces by pissed off 13 year old emo kids. :(

[UNODRAGONE]

I've heard West's whole family will be shredded to pieces by pissed off 13 year old emo kids. :(


and Ludwig is being held hostage :eek:

[Golden Howl]

Sheesh, how long have I been gone? Everybody's avatar is differnet. (I am aware of the fact that my reply has nothing to do with this thread. Pardon me.)

[Aeolus]

Sheesh, how long have I been gone? Everybody's avatar is differnet. (I am aware of the fact that my reply has nothing to do with this thread. Pardon me.)

Neither have the last three or four. I don't see what hurts you if break such an invisible law.

[Golden Howl]

Neither have the last three or four. I don't see what hurts you if break such an invisible law.

I guess I fit right in then. :)

[UNODRAGONE]

I guess I fit right in then. :)

welcome to the club :D

[Canis Lupus]

Neither have the last three or four. I don't see what hurts you if break such an invisible law.

My post was about 13-year olds thinking they're werewolves.

Kids, that rapidly growing body hair is a sign of puberty!
Not being a werewolf. Sheesh, I thought kids were thaught about that stuff today.

[Golden Howl]

My post was about 13-year olds thinking they're werewolves.

Kids, that rapidly growing body hair is a sign of puberty!
Not being a werewolf. Sheesh, I thought kids were thaught about that stuff today.

Ahhhhhhhhh....I get it now, and who said I didn't get it before? :p Good thinking though; interesting.

[Necro Mortis]

Come on people, you're straying a bit much.
Keep the topic on how werewolves don't exist.

[Razor-Claw]

Thanks Darkwolf...

*cracks knuckles*

I'm not dissing on anyone wanting to believe in werewolves or were-related creatures, I'm just saying that there is no soild evidence that can be used to hold up any of the arguements you guys are using... You can quote all the legends and "so-called" people who claim to shapeshift. it is just every person that has come on here saying they exist only does one thing, believe.

Now, the only way for me, as a logical skeptic, to believe in something like this is... Whats the word of the day kids:

EVIDENCE!!!

Thats right boys and girls, evidence. Bring me a video clip, something to put some soild ground under the claims here. However, before you guys start going after me for my opinions, think about your own and put some reason on them... I know, I have thought about yours with reason; which is why i'm typing this now.

Thank you.

Ok.
Im new here (though i came here a lot in my younger years), so dont rip off my head and spit down my neck, as i see most of you enjoy doing (metaphorically...i hope) but, jesus christ, does no one here believe in god? personally, i dont, but my point is, it comes down to the same thing: faith. is there proof of god? no. is there proof of jesus flying around or whatever? no. is there proof of cavemen being connected to humans? YES. but i bet more then halfthe people on this website believe in religion of some sort. so why not believe in werewolves? sure, like this deathjoker character says, "they cant exist because the dna cant match up" or whatever. if there was a jesus, do you think he'd have some kind of supergod/man dna? would that match up? who knows. im talking in general here. what i think about the existence of werewolves is that, sure, i think they EXISTED but not some magic shapeshifting kind of being, the people here have valid points. but maybe they were extremely large wolves, or just deformed wolf anomalies that were thought to be half man, half wolf. who knows. but do you people have to try and destroy these kids self esteem for having FAITH? have fun thinking up a witty retort for that. a retort against a SIXTEEN year old, who hasnt even gone to school for the past 2 years. not to sound like a cocky douchebag, but i impressed myself with that little "essay".

EDIT: now i think about it, i sound like an extremely cocky douchebag. and kinda childish (at least in the last couple of sentances). Sorry.

[Razor-Claw]

Please attempt proper sentence structure, your previous post was an English teacher's worse nightmare.


Look, being new here, i dont want to make TOO many enemys right away, but if you're saying something about grammar then say the word that fits. "english teacher's WORST nightmare" works a lot better than "English Teacher's WORSE"

[Necro Mortis]

Ok.
Im new here (though i came here a lot in my younger years), so dont rip off my head and spit down my neck, as i see most of you enjoy doing (metaphorically...i hope) but, jesus christ, does no one here believe in god? personally, i dont, but my point is, it comes down to the same thing: faith. is there proof of god? no. is there proof of jesus flying around or whatever? no. is there proof of cavemen being connected to humans? YES. but i bet more then halfthe people on this website believe in religion of some sort. so why not believe in werewolves? sure, like this deathjoker character says, "they cant exist because the dna cant match up" or whatever. if there was a jesus, do you think he'd have some kind of supergod/man dna? would that match up? who knows. im talking in general here. what i think about the existence of werewolves is that, sure, i think they EXISTED but not some magic shapeshifting kind of being, the people here have valid points. but maybe they were extremely large wolves, or just deformed wolf anomalies that were thought to be half man, half wolf. who knows. but do you people have to try and destroy these kids self esteem for having FAITH? have fun thinking up a witty retort for that. a retort against a SIXTEEN year old, who hasnt even gone to school for the past 2 years. not to sound like a cocky douchebag, but i impressed myself with that little "essay".

EDIT: now i think about it, i sound like an extremely cocky douchebag. and kinda childish (at least in the last couple of sentances). Sorry.


Being sixteen does not excuse you for being an idiot. When I was 16 I was able to post quite competently and fair enough you are trying to stand up for people but think about what you are saying.
First of all there is more evidence of Jesus existing than there is for Julius Caesar (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2006102121 2346AA4PRXi), not including the Bible so that part of your argument is weak (I learnt that at 16 without the aid of google).

Yet again, God is a deity and since there CAN be NO physical evidence of his existence this is a moot point. That is why people say that God's existence is simply a matter of faith.

The existence of extremely large mutant wolves is totally unrelated to the existence of Werewolves, simply because this thread debates the existence of beings that can transform from human to wolf form, not mutant wolves.

It's not destroying a kid's self esteem to challenge their beliefs. It's called character building. If parents allow their children access to the internet then they must think they are mature enough to handle criticism.

I'm glad you impressed yourself but, now, brace yourself.

It was hardly an essay. The lack of grammar and sentence structure was truly shocking. I don't care if you've never been to school in your life, if you have the intelligence to use a computer then you can do your own research and you can use a spellchecker.

[MorganaFang]

Look, being new here, I don't want to make TOO many enemies right away, but if you're saying something about grammar then say the word that fits. "english teacher's WORST nightmare" works a lot better than "English Teacher's WORSE"

I make mistakes, they were pretty much hellbent on destroying the English language. For me there is no problem in being corrected, I often hop on the site when I've just woken up or have been awake for over 48 hours so there is high possibilities I will make small slip ups. As will the high schoolers that attempt to correct me. :)

[Aeolus]

I make mistakes, they were pretty much hellbent on destroying the English language. For me there is no problem in being corrected, I often hop on the site when I've just woken up or have been awake for over 48 hours so there is high possibilities I will make small slip ups. As will the high schoolers that attempt to correct me. :)

Hey, I don't consider myself doing so in an obnoxious manner.

[MorganaFang]

Hey, I don't consider myself doing so in an obnoxious manner.

Nah you don't I was talking about Beast dude.

[Razor-Claw]

I make mistakes, they were pretty much hellbent on destroying the English language. For me there is no problem in being corrected, I often hop on the site when I've just woken up or have been awake for over 48 hours so there is high possibilities I will make small slip ups. As will the high schoolers that attempt to correct me. :)

heh heh
thats true

[Razor-Claw]

Being sixteen does not excuse you for being an idiot. When I was 16 I was able to post quite competently and fair enough you are trying to stand up for people but think about what you are saying.
First of all there is more evidence of Jesus existing than there is for Julius Caesar (http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=2006102121 2346AA4PRXi), not including the Bible so that part of your argument is weak (I learnt that at 16 without the aid of google).

Yet again, God is a deity and since there CAN be NO physical evidence of his existence this is a moot point. That is why people say that God's existence is simply a matter of faith.

The existence of extremely large mutant wolves is totally unrelated to the existence of Werewolves, simply because this thread debates the existence of beings that can transform from human to wolf form, not mutant wolves.

It's not destroying a kid's self esteem to challenge their beliefs. It's called character building. If parents allow their children access to the internet then they must think they are mature enough to handle criticism.

I'm glad you impressed yourself but, now, brace yourself.

It was hardly an essay. The lack of grammar and sentence structure was truly shocking. I don't care if you've never been to school in your life, if you have the intelligence to use a computer then you can do your own research and you can use a spellchecker.

good point
but notice the bottom where i acknowledge that i did sound like a cocky bastard?
either way, i didnt post any of this to get into e-fights or whatever i was just making a point.
and also, the quote/end-quote on the essay thing pretty much means that i called it an essay for lack of a better word.

[Necro Mortis]

good point
but notice the bottom where i acknowledge that i did sound like a cocky bastard?
either way, i didnt post any of this to get into e-fights or whatever i was just making a point.
and also, the quote/end-quote on the essay thing pretty much means that i called it an essay for lack of a better word.

Dude, I'm NOT trying to get into an e-fight, I'm trying to have a discussion! Retort, don't moan! ;)

[Razor-Claw]

Dude, I'm NOT trying to get into an e-fight, I'm trying to have a discussion! Retort, don't moan! ;)

heh heh well played

[Moon_Slave]

if your going to fight then do it through PM's got it.

[Krallis]

No One Knows

[Webwolf]

Ofcourse I'm real!

Oops... busted.:p

[william_wraithe]

Much like the "witches" of salem and other such supernatural trials?

Well I have news for you, those were all human through and through.

Besides, I have a bit of firm faith in our society today when it comes to "scientific" discoveries. If "Men that could transform" actually existed, they would not be hunt down out of fear and need to be wiped out. At least not in North America or Western Europe.

I put it out there that I've seen some narly shit as well, but I don't go about rambling on about and using that nasty tactic of "I can't convince you of anything, because humanity as a whole is jaded" First off, no crap you will not convince any body when you do that kind of melodramatic speak and second you're human, you have faith, remember that one.

Basically all I'm saying is if you believe but do not have the proper way to support you belief in an argument, then do not argue. Simple as that because it will lead to a whole lot of negativity. And I'm sure you're still much happier believing what you want to believe whether others do or not. Fine, you're entitled. Personally I'd love for werewolves to exist but so far logic and science has only shown dead ends in that kind of study. Doesn't make me want to still research and study any less. I just won't argue with bad information (on science issues).

Ok, ok ... just for you Morgana, I will do what you ask and expose myself to the world with actual proof that I can physically shift. That way when it boils down to being dissected and probed I will only have happiness in my heart because all that matters is you believed me once and for all. How is that? Will that be good enough for you and your lesbian bitch lover?

Will bringing proof to everyone that I can actually p-shift make you all happy once and for all? Or when I actually produce evidence will you all claim all the photos will be altered or video footage will be messed with?

Either way, the only best solution I can give you that will not be discredited is to do it in public and then let the news cameras have a field day or is there another suggestion? If I do this ... will everyone shut their fucken mouths and then support me or will you all laugh and say oh well when they cart me away to their labs?

The choice is yours ... do you say yes to curb your curiousity and let whatever happens happen ... or do you say no because you would hate to see what will happen to me when the evidence breaks.

Slicing my own throat for letting the public decide my fate,

William

[xxMatolfxx]

William I am all for what you just said, but you know you're asking for it now. Right?

[Pickle Tickler]

William, that's just life. And you'll hardly be able to convince anyone but a fool that you can p-shift. Sure, maybe you can, but it doesn't really matter to anyone but scientists, and you know, it's not going to be exactly released to the public that this is possible or even plausible.

The thing is, with this government in today that cares more about religion (Christianity, mainly) than what is morally right, you're not exactly going to be treated without skeptism and lack of hatred. And the government, if they do dissect you, will hide the information if it is true about you being able to p-shift. That's the way of things. If you are in your thirties and you have not learned to accept things like that, then really you shouldn't even argue about it. It's just life.

In other words, don't be stupid William.

[MorganaFang]

William I am all for what you just said, but you know you're asking for it now. Right?

He's attempting a bad swing at martyr-dumb.

I honestly could care less if he could actually produce the video or un-doctored photo. I'd be interested in seeing it is it really is infallible, but I can live with out it.

My point was and still is for anyone who believes and does not want to present decent proof or argument then they do NOT HAVE to. They should be contented in their own belief and handle on the situation. If shows a great deal of confidence in one's own self if they just don't go trying to "force" anyone into their belief system.

Now ok, some of you hairballs maybe going to yourselves well then why are all the "nonbelievers" pushing their points on us and not getting crap.

In most cases when I am doing that it is because I feel I have a strong enough argument against what A LOT of "tr00 w3r3s" are saying, because in reality they are not saying anything. Basically I am trying to get a conversation going.

Watch now as at first William seems ok with what I just said and then suddenly mood changes to angry and irrational because he misconstrues what I wrote as some sort of insult. Or he just does not show up again for weeks on end then pops on and does what I just said.

[LV426]

william you are just a wannabe werewolf so STFU.

[Lysander]

William.. linkage to the posted vids.

[Gilenea]

Or how about this angle? William doesn't get enough attention anywhere, so he comes to the internet finds why he feels so "different" from everyone else at school, and winds up here with a nut-case story about "OMG I CAN PSHYFT LOL" and we all give him that attention he wants.

Will, if you're so concerned about the government finding out about werewolves and the fact that you can physically shift, why the HELL would you come to WEREWOLF.COM and spout off that "You guys suck for not believing me because I can't show proof or else they'll put me on a metal table." Well, guess what, kid? If the government or what have you was looking for anything, you just gave it to them. We also openly post IPs and I'm pretty sure your AIM/Yahoo/MSN or e-mail is somewhere on the internet. It's not hard to track you down. So if you're worried about "exposing" your super secret ability, shouting it for the world to see on the internet is a spretty awesome idea...

So whether you can or can't, shut the hell up.

Gil

[Webwolf]

I can't possibly take this topic seriously since there is (unlike most Hollywood cash-in's may suggest) still a clear difference between a shapeshifter and a werewolf.

At least, thats my point of view.

[WareW-Believer]

I can't possibly take this topic seriously since there is (unlike most Hollywood cash-in's may suggest) still a clear difference between a shapeshifter and a werewolf.
You are quite right dude. Shapeshifter: single person, but various forms. Werewolf: Single person who can turn into a wolf and nothing else. That's about as basic as it gets.

[UNODRAGONE]

I can't possibly take this topic seriously since there is (unlike most Hollywood cash-in's may suggest) still a clear difference between a shapeshifter and a werewolf.

At least, thats my point of view.

True but originally the topic was are werewolves real not other shifters :)

[wierdwulfdream]

Ok, ok ... just for you Morgana, I will do what you ask and expose myself to the world with actual proof that I can physically shift. That way when it boils down to being dissected and probed I will only have happiness in my heart because all that matters is you believed me once and for all. How is that? Will that be good enough for you and your lesbian bitch lover?

Will bringing proof to everyone that I can actually p-shift make you all happy once and for all? Or when I actually produce evidence will you all claim all the photos will be altered or video footage will be messed with?

Either way, the only best solution I can give you that will not be discredited is to do it in public and then let the news cameras have a field day or is there another suggestion? If I do this ... will everyone shut their fucken mouths and then support me or will you all laugh and say oh well when they cart me away to their labs?

The choice is yours ... do you say yes to curb your curiousity and let whatever happens happen ... or do you say no because you would hate to see what will happen to me when the evidence breaks.

Slicing my own throat for letting the public decide my fate,

William

well if you are a true "werewolf" how did you become one???

im not being horrible in any way.... im just curious..

[william_wraithe]

True, like there could be a werewolf at this very forum site and nobody knows it... :D

Oh God! WHERE!!???

BTW, I like LV's explanation about seeing Santa Clause but cannot give any proof but she knows he is real because she seen him, plain and simple. That is not even the most contradictory thing, is it?

Who knows ... who am I to even suggest anything? I am just the fly on the wall when it comes to conversations and speaking my opinion ... if you asked anyone, I might not even exist. :P

Oh, before I forget ... the bible has references to werewolves as well. They were called Dogheads or Cynocephali ... point in case, why would the bible refer to them as factual if they did not exist?

Just trying my best to make actual facts apparent ... since my word isn't good enough you know.

[Pickle Tickler]

Not everything in the Bible is provable. Case and point.

[william_wraithe]

well if you are a true "werewolf" how did you become one???

im not being horrible in any way.... im just curious..

Here goes the unofficial beginning ...

I am only answering this post because I was asked, nothing more nothing less.

I seen my first horror flick when I was 4 years old. It was a movie on HBO about the Little Red Riding Story but the wolf was a werewolf. I felt connected, not scared like most kids would be.

I first got into magick and the occult when I was 11 years old. Checked out a lot of library books ...

At the age of 13 I could do some very interesting stuff and decided to join a coven. My luck landed me in the Golden Dawn. I became obsessed in learning everything I could about summoning. A few years passed and I could do some more interesting stuff and became quite good at it.

It was myself and a few friends (Sam in particular) decided to find out if werewolves and vampires actually existed and, to find out, my friends coerced me into summoning a few demons that we found in the Keys of Solomon to find out some answers.

What we found was (as a young person's standards would be) the coolest shit we ever came across in our lifetime. It seemed that our quest was at an end because we got what we paid for. In return for our information we had to give something back, in which we all did (all five friends).

About two or three years ago, a