Vegetarianism anyone?

[Dark Fang]

This is probably the wrong site to ask this on, but is anyone a vegetarian?

[Hitodama]

I only drink the blood of my enemies...and the occasional strawberry smoothie.

But in all seriousness, I'm an omnivore.

I prefer wheats, grains, fruits, and vegetables. I can't stand steak though, too bland. But chicken with spanish rice, enchilada sauce and salsa...mmmm.

[Quaternion]

All humans are omnivores. Refusing to eat meat is unnatural and unhealthy.

[Ultimate Carnage]

i do not see any point in vegitarianism

[Rylias Shadow]

To qoute a favorite comidian of mine, "Has anyone ever seen a healthy-lookin' vegitarian? They look like shit!...thier all gaunt and yellow..."

[Xavious]

Actually, I'm nearly the opposite of a vegetarian. I live by the motto "Vegetables aren't food, vegetables are what food eats." Though technically I do eat vegetables and fruits, it's in very small amounts. And I've lived like this for roughly 11-13 years (Can't quite remember when I started this...)

[Hoplite]

i tried once to be a vegetarian...but it's really very very very hard...and it's no fun

[Dark Fang]

How is it not fun? I've be a vegetarian for two months and I really don't think it's that hard. Actually vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters.

[MorganaFang]

How is it not fun? I've be a vegetarian for two months and I really don't think it's that hard. Actually vegetarians are healthier than meat eaters.

People who practice a proper balance of all the food groups are healthier all around.

I'd say though I think both sides have equal potential for being just as healthy as the other considering most human habits.

It just depends how you choose to live your life, it is not necessarily healthier.

[Tempest]

All humans are omnivores. Refusing to eat meat is unnatural and unhealthy.
There is proof for both sides actually. But please don't turn this thread into whether or not vegetarianism is right or wrong.
Personally, I have been vegetarian for five years.

[Quaternion]

There is proof for both sides actually. But please don't turn this thread into whether or not vegetarianism is right or wrong.
Personally, I have been vegetarian for five years.

I'm oh so very sorry you don't like me stating fact with a bit of my own opinion thrown into the mix. It's only a forum, after all.

[Captain Death]

I've been a semi-vegetarian for about 4 years now. There wasn't really much point in making a habit of eating meat for me because I never really enjoyed it that much anyway. The only thing that has a possibility of breaking me is bacon. I started mostly due to a rally in my hometown about animal testing, and they were handing out leaflets. I can appreciate the moral side of it too; I guess it's just easier for me to give up meat.

Semi means I eat a little bit of seafood (that'd be prawns, salmon and tuna) but I mostly eat vegetables. I guess I just prefer it.

[NeonLightChild]

For health reasons and weight management, I keep consumption of beef and pork to a minimum. However, chicken and fish are still fair game, as well as derivements thereof...yogurt (OK, it's from cows, but still), cheese, eggs (though I use EggBeaters, again for health), and occasionally butter (though I prefer Smart Balance with all the plant materials).

I absolutely refuse to eat vegetarian staples, like tofu, soy stuff, or Boca burgers. Yuck.

[Mari_LOVES_Natas]

I for the most part am a vagetarian I only eat Rare steak about once every two months when I crave blood(don't ask)
and I ocassionally eat tuna and shrimp

but for the most part I eat vegies and fruits and rice

and my cousin hasn't eaten meat in 7 YEARS and is healthy as a horse and he was sick before then because of a car reck I don't know guess all of the vitamins in the vegies helped him out and helped him beef up

[MorganaFang]

I for the most part am a vagetarian I only eat Rare steak about once every two months when I crave blood(don't ask)
and I ocassionally eat tuna and shrimp


No you're not a vegetarian, You're an omnivore with weird habits. Even if you say for the most part that you eat veggies you still eat red meat occasionally along with other meats. There is no such thing as being a little vegetarian.

and it is a common thing to drink and eat blood occasionally. People from the US seem to be the only one's with taboo about it but blood is actually very healthy. No it's not odd or unique, or telling of some magical bullshit thing if you crave blood. You're a normal red blooded mammal who occasionally wants blood.

[NeonLightChild]

No you're not a vegetarian, You're an omnivore with weird habits. Even if you say for the most part that you eat veggies you still eat red meat occasionally along with other meats. There is no such thing as being a little vegetarian.
I believe the current buzzword is flexitarian, supposed to mean something like "a vegetarian who eats meat." Which is what I consider myself.

As a rather lengthy aside, not to start up the whole I'm-right-you're-wrong argument again, Q, but just something I remembered:

I have a friend who's a vegan and he recently wrote about an article (can be read here (http://www.upi.com/NewsTrack/view.php?StoryID=200 61109-010122-9781r)) about how eating meat of any type was bad and how eating plants was better for you and he stated that the Atkins was basically proof of that.

What most people fail to take into account is that, no matter how "outdated" or "wrong" it is, there's a reason that meat is toward the top of the food pyramid: it's meant to be eaten in moderation. I know some people can't get by without some kind of meat, and that's fine, but they also need to exercise portion control. I almost get nauseous whenever I see the picture of the guy eating the 20-lb hamburger because it's so...excessive. Animal products were never meant to be eaten by humans in the volume that they're eaten these days, and that's one of MANY reasons why (well, a hypothesis as to why) we're seeing so many health problems other than the obvious of lack of exercise and whatnot. Calories are calories whether they come from pop, candy, meat or beans...but each needs to be eaten in moderation.

[LV426]

Ok you guys do realize that if you eat meat that pretty much means that you are not a vegetarian by any means.

Vegetarian means someone who does not eat meat and eats vegetation.

Vegan means someone who doesn't eat animals or their by products and subsists completely on vegetal matter.

Carnivore means an animal that subsists primarily on meat.

Omnivore is an animal that subsists on both meat and vegetation.

Herbivore means an animal that subsists primarily on vegetation.

If you eat meat and vegetation you are not a flexitarian you are an omnivore.

[aktarian78]

No extreme is good for you. Completly avoiding meat means your body lacks certain things while eating too much meat isn't healthy either.

Personally I eat meat for lunch every 2-3 days other days it's fish or vegetables. But I feel that something is missing if I don't have meat for a few days.

[NeonLightChild]

If you eat meat and vegetation you are not a flexitarian you are an omnivore.
I know. I'm just being politically-correct.

Different words, different eras, same meanings, same stupidity...some things never change.

[Captain Death]

Mari is actually a post-modern vegetarian (definition= eats meat ironically). A lot of people bandy about the term without really thinking about it. I'd never call myself a proper vegetarian because I know it's not true. Even seafood counts for something; rare steak is kind of pushing it a bit don't you think?

Why do most people seem to discount fish from the term "meat"?

[LV426]

No extreme is good for you. Completly avoiding meat means your body lacks certain things while eating too much meat isn't healthy either.

Personally I eat meat for lunch every 2-3 days other days it's fish or vegetables. But I feel that something is missing if I don't have meat for a few days.
You do realize that fish is meat.

[MorganaFang]

Mari is actually a post-modern vegetarian (definition= eats meat ironically).

Thank you god you added the "ironically" or my brain would have combusted at how sad that statement was.

Post-modern vegetarian :P

[aktarian78]

You do realize that fish is meat.

It's different meat (white as opposed to red) so one could count it as different group.

[MorganaFang]

It's different meat (white as opposed to red) so one could count it as different group.

Acccccctttttuuuuuuaa aaaallllllllyyyyyy, A lot of fish prior to cooking is pinkish or red. Also fish bleed, and in my mind bleed = meat. Though I've certain innards of fruit referred to as meat.

[LV426]

It's different meat (white as opposed to red) so one could count it as different group.
Pork and chicken are also white but hey it's still meat.

[---Arawn---]

It's different meat (white as opposed to red) so one could count it as different group.

And actually, their only difference is this, their color. White meat is not healthier than red meat. People only think that because red meat has more collagen, making the digestion slower...

I really don't understand vegetarians... It's not tasty, it's not healthier, it's not "morally right" (like some think)... Then why change their habits?
The ones that just don't like meat is understandable. But those who have repulsion to it must have some kind of alimentary disturbance (like bulimia)...

[aktarian78]

Acccccctttttuuuuuuaa aaaallllllllyyyyyy, A lot of fish prior to cooking is pinkish or red. Also fish bleed, and in my mind bleed = meat. Though I've certain innards of fruit referred to as meat.

Well, if you are determined to nitpick then yes, fish are red meat. But, as I said, it's often referred to as white meat and is considered different food group than meat from land (and I guess air) animals.

So no, I don't consider it same group as e.g. beef or pork. And some vegetarians eat fish.

[RQ]

And some vegetarians eat fish. The lame ones, maybe. Anybody really committed to being a vegetarian would realize that meat is meat, and includes flesh of any kind.

[Quaternion]

Well, if you are determined to nitpick then yes, fish are red meat. But, as I said, it's often referred to as white meat and is considered different food group than meat from land (and I guess air) animals.

So no, I don't consider it same group as e.g. beef or pork. And some vegetarians eat fish.

Ok, so you must not have understood what was said earlier. Pork is white meat.

[Canis Lupus]

I'm not much of a vegetarian. (read: not at all)
I prefer meat, somehow I start gagging when I eat certain vegetables, or simply much of them.
I guess it's got to do with the Asperger Syndrome I have.
I simply won't eat certain things...
Those things are usually vegetables and fruit.
But damn do I like corn.

[LV426]

And some vegetarians eat fish.


If you eat fish you are not a vegetarian. If you eat the flesh of any animal be it by land, sea, or air then you are NOT a vegetarian.

[aktarian78]

Ok, so you must not have understood what was said earlier. Pork is white meat.

I understood, I just don't agree. What I'm saying is that fish are generally considered different type of food than meat. And to distinguish them meat from land (and air) animals is called red meat while fish are called white meat.

If you eat fish you are not a vegetarian. If you eat the flesh of any animal be it by land, sea, or air then you are NOT a vegetarian.

Some disagree with that and don't consider fish meat.

[LV426]

I understood, I just don't agree. What I'm saying is that fish are generally considered different type of food than meat. And to distinguish them meat from land (and air) animals is called red meat while fish are called white meat.



Some disagree with that and don't consider fish meat.
DUDE! What is your malfunction? Fish is an animal! Animals are meat. Therefore fish is meat no matter how you want to justify it. If you eat a fish you are not a vegetarian. FISH ARE NOT VEGETATION!!

[chriz]

FISH ARE NOT VEGETATION!!

That's almost sig-worthy.

[Vendetta]

And some vegetarians eat fish.
These people are not vegetarians, end of story. I mean you DO understand what makes a person vegetarian don't you?

Perhaps they are flexitarians or pesco-vegetarians. Both words are considered paradoxical and oxymoronic by ACTUAL vegetarians though.

[Vendetta]

Some disagree with that and don't consider fish meat.
Look, no one cares if there are morons out there who don't understand what it means to be a vegetarian. That's not our problem. If ANYONE eats the flesh of another animal, be it on the land, sea or air, they are NOT a vegetarian, end of story. Please stop making people reiterate this to you. :mad:

[Captain Death]

Well, if you are determined to nitpick then yes, fish are red meat. But, as I said, it's often referred to as white meat and is considered different food group than meat from land (and I guess air)

Why do you suppose that you can group cod, haddock etc into "whitefish", and then you have fish like salmon? It's still meat, both red and white depending on the type of fish.

An actual vegetarian wouldn't eat fish, but would eat dairy products. Hence why I refer to myself as semi-vegetarian, because I only eat fish (actually I am beginning to phase fish out now, slowly).

[DarkWolf]

This shouldn't be debate-worthy.

Vegetarian (http://dictionary.reference .com/browse/vegetarian)veg·e·tar ·i·an [vej-i-tair-ee-uhn]
- noun
1. a person who does not eat or does not believe in eating meat, fish, fowl, or, in some cases, any food derived from animals, as eggs or cheese, but subsists on vegetables, fruits, nuts, grain, etc.

Vegan (http://dictionary.reference .com/browse/vegan)
veg·an [vej-uhn; especially Brit. vee-guhn]
-noun
1. a vegetarian who omits all animal products from the diet.

Carnivore (http://dictionary.reference .com/browse/carnivore)car·ni·vor e [kahr-nuh-vawr, -vohr]
-noun
1. an animal that eats flesh.

Fish (http://dictionary.reference .com/browse/fish)fish [fish]
-noun
1. any of various cold-blooded, aquatic vertebrates, having gills, commonly fins, and typically an elongated body covered with scales.

3. the flesh of fishes used as food.



So to summarise: A vegetarian does not eat flesh, meat, or any animal (including fish). A vegan is the same but also refuses to eat any animal by-products. Carnivores (effectively the opposite to vegetarians) eat meat and the flesh of animals. Fish are meat, they are animals and have flesh.

I even highlighted the part of the vegetarian definition of most relevance.

So, aktarian78, since you eat fish you cannot be a vegetarian of ANY kind WHATSOEVER - based on the ACTUAL DEFINITION of the words.

You lose at English (I'd suspect at life too but let's not go there). Go back to class, little one. School is there to LEARN things in so try doing so.

[aktarian78]

DUDE! What is your malfunction? Fish is an animal! Animals are meat. Therefore fish is meat no matter how you want to justify it. If you eat a fish you are not a vegetarian.

I don't have a malfunction, I simply disagree with your view. I simply stated that some believe that fish are not meat. If you don't agree with that fine. But there is no need to bite my head off.



[/QUOTE]
FISH ARE NOT VEGETATION!![/QUOTE]

Salt isn't either.....

These people are not vegetarians, end of story. I mean you DO understand what makes a person vegetarian don't you?

Perhaps they are flexitarians or pesco-vegetarians. Both words are considered paradoxical and oxymoronic by ACTUAL vegetarians though.

I stated that some people hold that view. If you disagree with them that's your right, same as it's their right to disagree with you.

Look, no one cares if there are morons out there who don't understand what it means to be a vegetarian. That's not our problem. If ANYONE eats the flesh of another animal, be it on the land, sea or air, they are NOT a vegetarian, end of story. Please stop making people reiterate this to you. :mad:

What's the problem exactly? Some people disagree with you. You think they are wrong. They don't.

Why do you suppose that you can group cod, haddock etc into "whitefish", and then you have fish like salmon? It's still meat, both red and white depending on the type of fish.

An actual vegetarian wouldn't eat fish, but would eat dairy products. Hence why I refer to myself as semi-vegetarian, because I only eat fish (actually I am beginning to phase fish out now, slowly).

Because people consider fish to be different than land animals.

So to summarise: A vegetarian does not eat flesh, meat, or any animal (including fish). A vegan is the same but also refuses to eat any animal by-products. Carnivores (effectively the opposite to vegetarians) eat meat and the flesh of animals. Fish are meat, they are animals and have flesh.

I even highlighted the part of the vegetarian definition of most relevance.

Yes, according to that definitions they are not vegetarians.


So, aktarian78, since you eat fish you cannot be a vegetarian of ANY kind WHATSOEVER - based on the ACTUAL DEFINITION of the words.

I never said I'm a vegetarian. I explicitly stated I eat meat. Or did you miss that part?


You lose at English (I'd suspect at life too but let's not go there). Go back to class, little one. School is there to LEARN things in so try doing so.

Don't you think it's a bit inappropriate to call somebody who is 7 years older that you "little one"?

[Bone and Soul]

I'm not a vegitarian but I do eat healthy and holisticly...Not many people that are not vegitarian will willingly eat tofu besides me.... :p

[Vendetta]

What's the problem exactly? Some people disagree with you. You think they are wrong. They don't.
Uhh this isn't a matter a religion or politics where people are free to hold opinions. The WORD vegetarian means someone who DOES NOT eat the flesh of another animal. If these people refuse to accept this definition they are, quite frankly, idiots. They ARE NOT vegetarians; there is no grey area here, do you understand that?

This is not a matter of opinion, this is fact.

[DarkWolf]

Yes, according to that definitions they are not vegetarians.And since those definitions of it on that site are the only ones in the standard English language then this is settled. If you eat fish you're not vegetarian. End of debate.

I never said I'm a vegetarian. I explicitly stated I eat meat. Or did you miss that part?I did miss that part and apologise.

Don't you think it's a bit inappropriate to call somebody who is 7 years older that you "little one"?Six years and surely some change. And when that somebody is portraying themselves like an imbecilic child then yes, it's not only appropriate; it's very fitting.