Anyone Else?

[SinacSupul]

I believe that there are spirits and that these spirits live in each and everything. There is good there is evil and there is an in between. Each path is affected by our day to day decisions and each spirit becomes part of us. These spirits are at war; for the good spirit is not native and the evil spirit has always been.

I look at it as Albert Einstein did. The universe is cold but in some places there is heat an item a thing. Evil is the universe but in some places there is Good. It is natural for a man to lust, to be greedy, to be jealous, to be angry. Man is a beast. A Good man has turned from these rages and does what he must to please and to shine among men. For his actions are reknown and unlike most men. It is why we smile at firefighters and others who put their lives in danger for us. It is not like man to have sacrifice, humility, or courage.

So I see it as we may know magick or know god but in all reality the world is made up of our spirits and so long as we know and others around us believe we are good men then we are. Those who live day by day will go nowhere while those of us who choose a path will grow. Our magick or our faith will grow. Each religion a foundation for something else that is order that is faith and builds in ones spiritual sense.

It is a bit of a ramble. I see as if you choose a path good or evil if you live not in the shadows but in the light or in the dark then you will be powerful. I pray, I meditate, I sleep with hope to wake.

Im just wondering if anyone out there has a similar belief or if there is a religion that is identical to the spiritual path that I have chosen and follow.

[MorganaFang]

This is more a spirituality thing rather than religion o.O

[Vendetta]

Also I can't believe you had the gall to use Einstein's name in relation to that uhhh "stuff" (hey, I'm trying to respect your religious opinion here, but aren't you the same person who was going on about aliens in that Evolution thread?)

[DL Lycan]

Im just wondering if anyone out there has a similar belief or if there is a religion that is identical to the spiritual path that I have chosen and follow.
No.

[SinacSupul]

Also I can't believe you had the gall to use Einstein's name in relation to that uhhh "stuff" (hey, I'm trying to respect your religious opinion here, but aren't you the same person who was going on about aliens in that Evolution thread?)

Yea I made a very small statement about a theory a friend of mine who went to Cornell had. I probablly horribly misquoted him and he would stab me in the anus for doing so. Its completely another topic.

This is more a spirituality thing rather than religion o.O

Your absolutely right. Last night for some reason I couldnt find the Spirituality Board. Most likely cause I was way too tired to be typing.

No.

Nice

[DarkHunter]

I believe that there are spirits and that these spirits live in each and everything. There is good there is evil and there is an in between. Each path is affected by our day to day decisions and each spirit becomes part of us. These spirits are at war; for the good spirit is not native and the evil spirit has always been.

I look at it as Albert Einstein did. The universe is cold but in some places there is heat an item a thing. Evil is the universe but in some places there is Good. It is natural for a man to lust, to be greedy, to be jealous, to be angry. Man is a beast. A Good man has turned from these rages and does what he must to please and to shine among men. For his actions are reknown and unlike most men. It is why we smile at firefighters and others who put their lives in danger for us. It is not like man to have sacrifice, humility, or courage.

So I see it as we may know magick or know god but in all reality the world is made up of our spirits and so long as we know and others around us believe we are good men then we are. Those who live day by day will go nowhere while those of us who choose a path will grow. Our magick or our faith will grow. Each religion a foundation for something else that is order that is faith and builds in ones spiritual sense.

It is a bit of a ramble. I see as if you choose a path good or evil if you live not in the shadows but in the light or in the dark then you will be powerful. I pray, I meditate, I sleep with hope to wake.

Im just wondering if anyone out there has a similar belief or if there is a religion that is identical to the spiritual path that I have chosen and follow.

Albert Einstein? Are you referencing that supposed story that Einstein owned an atheist professor by talking about good and evil and the analogy of light, darkness, hot, and cold? That story was made up, to let you know, by Christian fundamentalists.

Good and Evil? Abstractions. Not real.

My religion? Spiritual? Hardly.

We smile at firefighters and other such people who put their lives on the line for us because that is helping us. Its not because we particularly like humility and self-sacrifice as traits we ourselves would have. Its because we want others to have those traits in order that they better serve us.

Of course many people mask these desires (especially from themselves) and probably wouldn't admit it.

[Stephen Knight]

Good and Evil? Abstractions. Not real.


What evidence do you base this belief upon?

[DarkHunter]

What evidence do you base this belief upon?

The evidence that they exist in no real observable form. People throw around "Good" and "evil" very easily. To the Muslim insurgents, we're evil. To us, they're evil.

I have never observed any concious, divine force/being that has defined good and evil and deals out punishments and rewards accordingly. I see no reason to believe in Good and Evil. Life has its ups and downs and no karma, threefold law, or gods need be the cause. It could just be human stupidity.

I have a personal definition of things that I don't like which I commonly call "evil" but thats from my point of view. Objectively, good and evil are labels thrown around by people who are trying to make themselves look (and feel) good.

[Stephen Knight]

Interesting.

I think good and evil do exist. I think what people miss is a steady principle to base them on. I mean, if you're about to die and I save your life then that act will typically be called "just".

We would call it "just" because both of us value your life.

A steady principle.

I think good and evil are the same way. We need an accurate and consistent steady principle.

Thoughts?

[J.L.R.]

The huge problem with relative morality, the common belief that there is no real right or wrong, good or evil, is that you can then justify any sort of abharent behavior.

In short:
Adolf Hitler and the murder of 6 million Jews was okay, because he believed what he was doing was good for all mankind.

Saddam Housain's near genocide of Iraqi Turks was fine and dandy, because it was okay by his terms.

The Salem Witch trials were okay, because the cut throat zealots believed it was okay.

Deforestation, wiping out other animal species, or polluting the earth is okay, because I say it is...

It is okay to steal, to kill, to lie, to cheat, rape, or whot-knot because by the definition of relative morality, the person who is commiting such crimes, doesn't see them as crimes at all, as he or she is doing what they need to do to survive.

This theory, per say, is bogus of course. If a society did not establish definite concepts of what is acceptible and not acceptible the brutal would rule, while the innocent would languish, while some may call this Darwinism in its most poetic form, survival of the fittest, we also have to remember that even in evolution there is a grander scheme working for the betterment of nature itself.

Relative Morality is a crock. There is right or wrong. There is, by title Good or Evil. To wipe away those definitions, is to white wash all injusticies across all spans of life.

[Okamiotoko]

The problem with subjectivity is that it leveas no room for morality. Cultural realtivism may be the less extreme of the two (cultural and personal), but even that I find lacks moral compass. Very example, Society A find X wrong. Person from soceity A finds X ok, and leaves society A to start soceity B. Society B becomes the same size as society A. X is ok in B and not in A.


In order from something to be turth, it must always be wrong. So, basically, with cultural relativism, anything can become ok as long as their is a group of people who belive it to be true.

Personal sibjective moralilty is worse. Basically, what I think is ok, is ok. Which means everything is ok, because I can think anything is ok.

[Stephen Knight]

So what we need is an accurate and consistent base upon which we base truth and lie, good and evil, etc....

[DarkHunter]

Relative morality is hardly a theory.

For the purposes of daily interaction, standards of right and wrong are established, often on the wishes of what most people will agree to or believes.

But that doesn't make those people any more right. Its just their preference. Its not some absolute Good and Evil written in Stone Tablets given to us. Its just what we think, feel, and believe.

We think that Hitler was a bad guy. So naturally we portray him that way. But if he had won, what would they say? Would they know some other "good" or "evil?"

We practice a kind of absolute good and evil, but like I said thats just what we like. Its what we are most comfortable with and think is the best way to go.

Thats exactly the point! As long as a majority believes something to be true, it might as well be true! Its a shitty way to look at it, but its true. People's beliefs determine morality. Winners justify their actions. If the Founding Fathers had lost, they would have been demonized as filthy traitors to Great Britain. They committed treason. But they won and today we know them as great men.

Its hardly accurate to characterize evolution as a process of a grand scheme. Evolution is simply the explanation of how some living things react to enviroments and survive while others don't survive. Some change, mutations happen, etc etc. No grand scheme needed. Its not better overall. One selection of organisms need not be really superior to another. Just better at that time.

Stephen, people have tried to make accurate and consistent bases, but try getting everybody to accept it. It will only matter to people if a lot of people believe in it.