"do you"

[bloodyritual]

Do you do magic I do, i know tht sounds really corny, but i mean like wicca please post if you do :wavey:

[MexicanJewLizard]

I do, (you know that :p) But I don't follow the Wiccan rules. I follow the basic ones though.

By the way, welcome back Krissy:)

[bloodyritual]

lol thankies and same here, My fav spells are probaly basic spells or herbel spells lol even though i dont have have the ingredients lol but there still really kool wht bout u linzey

[MexicanJewLizard]

Herbal, oils... yeah. I don't do it often though.

PS Lindsay :D

[Ender]

My freakin' eyes!

[bloodyritual]

My frekin eyes wht the heck

[Ressacaren]

AHHH!! O.O *Eyes are burning* WAAAAY too bright there. *Blink blink*

[blueeyes]

Alter the colorscale. That hurts MY eyes.

[bloodyritual]

oh lol is this better, lol hey do u do wicca

[MexicanJewLizard]

My freakin' eyes!

Be nice. :wavey:

[silenceowl]

YES!I do.

[blueeyes]

Yes, better, no, I do no magic. My actions stay in the realm of the mapable.

[Xzengrim]

Magic?! Don't make me laugh (unless I would laugh really hard, because I might actually like that). If it were real, I'd definitely give it a try. But what in the world makes you think you have magic powers? What makes you so sure it works?

I'm not trying to be mean. I really would like someone to explain to me what makes them think they have superpowers. I am, as always, fascinated evermore by that which I just cannot comprehend.

[athan]

They arnt superpowers, Magic is done in different ways, most common are the following.

1- component. -using things like hemlock to justify the means and direction of your spell.

2- universal. -praying to the god/goddess/etc. for the success of the spell.

3-personal- using your bodily energy to bend the ways of the universe/multiverse into being what you want.


there are others bu i am not to sure about them yet.

Also you cant throw a fireball into someone, you cant summon lighting bolts from now where.

you need to make the elements come into place for it, I.E. summon a storm, takes a while because water needs to condense into clouds and form over your location.


thats a very very short explanation about what magick is, and how we do it.

[Nivek]

I have come to the conclusion that Majik works on the principles of quantum physics, wherein for every action, including thought, there are reactions. Everything throught the universe is interconnected on the quantum scale and thusly when one performs even the slightest action it sends "ripples" through everything. The more one focuses their thoughts, will and intent the greater the "ripple". This does account for the actuality of things such as empathy and telepathy as well.

[bloodyritual]

i mean i know you cant do tht stuff i mean like spells and sayances you know wht i mean :)

[Wraywolf]

Mastery of the English language might net you more respect, guy. I'm much more likely to believe someone who is competent, and does not litter there posts with teeth gnashing "lol"s.

On a lighter note, if I could master harnessing Ki energy, I’d use it to heat up doorknobs to white hot temperatures and then watch with dark enjoyment as small children burn their hands.

Hey, don’t look at me like that. I’m a bastard, remember?

[MexicanJewLizard]

Wraywolf, please be nice. Not everyone has typing skills like us. :p

At anyrate, it would be interesting to learn how to do some of the things you guys say you can do. I'f ya'lls wanna clue me in, I'll listen. :wavey:

[Wraywolf]

Wraywolf, please be nice.

Why?

[MexicanJewLizard]

People have feelings too, and if you do... fuck it just be nice. :p

[Tempest]

I do magick and I'm Shamanic Wiccan. And Xzengrim, magick is real. If you have ever thought yourself sick (okay, maybe not), that's magick. I believe it works because I've seen it work. I don't have superpowers. Anyone can do magick if they put their mind to it.

[Nivek]

i mean i know you cant do tht stuff i mean like spells and sayances you know wht i mean

Can't do what stuff? A spell is focused thought put into words, which effects the universe. Not only the sounds of the words but the energy of thought and intention of spirit. And a seance is a gathering of people to focus their energies to call upon disembodied spirits in order to commune and gain knowledge.

At anyrate, it would be interesting to learn how to do some of the things you guys say you can do. I'f ya'lls wanna clue me in, I'll listen.
How may I help? Pick a subject.;)

[Ender]

If you have ever thought yourself sick (okay, maybe not), that's magick. I thought one became sick because of a germ or viral infection? What do you beleive causes sickness?

[DarkHunter]

I thought one became sick because of a germ or viral infection? What do you beleive causes sickness?

Let people believe what they want. I was under the impression it was germs or viral too, but who really knows right?

Magick is generated by belief. Faith. Herbs, oils, prayer.... Its all a form of focusing belief and personal energy.

[MexicanJewLizard]

How may I help? Pick a subject.;)


Hey Nivey. :wavey:

I know a lot of people preform astral projection to do spells, and it's been said to be effective. I've been able to project but not on purpose. I find it hard to find a good way to actually be able to do it. I'm not sure of any other effective ways to preform it. I suppose I would like to know how, and a little about the subject.

[Final_wolf]

I believe it is germs and viral infection to, but i don't believe in the use of magic, even if it is for the good of something.

[Ressacaren]

....I've thought myself from becoming sick.....does that count?

[Ender]

Magick is generated by belief. Faith. Herbs, oils, prayer.... Its all a form of focusing belief and personal energy.

"Magic", as it used to be known, was a fundamental idea that probably arose in man's mind early out of the mysterious visitation of infectious diseases, and that was the idea of uncleanness and of being accurse(d?). From that, there may have come an idea of avoiding particular places and people, and people in particular phases of health or more likely diseased-health (<-- being sick).


Then man, from the very dawn of his mental life, may have had a feeling of the "bad" (or, Hollywood evil that was sure to follow seven thousand odd years later) about places and things. Animals who dread traps have that feeling. A tiger will abandon it's usual jungle route at the sight of a few threads of cotton. Like most young animals, young human beings are easily made fearful of this by their elders (parents/guardians). Here is another set of ideas, ideas of repulsion and avoiding, that arose early in man (6,000, maybe 7,000 years ago).


As soon as speech began to develop, it must have got to work upon such fundamental feelings and begun to systematize them, and keep them in mind. By talking together men would reinforce each other's fears, and establish a common tradition of taboos of things forbidden and of things unclean. With the idea of uncleanness would come ideas of cleansing and removing a "curse". The cleansing would be conducted through the advice and aid of wise old men and women, and in such cleansing would lie (lay?) the germ of the earliest "priest craft" and "witch craft". To lift "curses" and to remove evils, to confirm/establish, one must need to do potent things. And was there anything more potent in existence back then, then killing, or the shedding of blood?


Speech from the initial time would be a powerful supplement to the imitative education and the education of blows conducted by a speech-less parent. Mothers would tell their children and scold their children. As speech developed and evolved, men would find they had experiences that gave them or seemed to give them "power" in comparison to others. They would make secrets of these.


There is a double groove in the human mind, a groove that makes us all anxious to tell and astonish and impress each other. Many people make secrets in order to have secrets to tell. These secrets of earlier man they would convey to younger-more impressionable people. More or less honestly and impressively in some process of initiation.
Sacrifice had a double origin, as far as I know. There must have been the disposition to propitiate the leader of early mans group or tribe that was lived in, and that craving to do a "powerful" thing. Sacrifice has probably always been more "magical" then propitiation. It dispelled, it confirmed, and because it did so then, when one came to think about it, one concluded that it must be pleasing to the "spirit" one worshiped.


"Magic" as early people saw it, was done because it was a tremendous thing to do.

[Ender]

Biology 101 - http://science.howstuffwork s.com/virus-human1.htm

For those in our audience who weren't fortunate or awake often enough to have remembered or learnt Biology/Earth Science/ even Practical Science when they went through Middle-school.

Nothing magical or mystical about them, they're particles about one-millionth of an inch (17 to 300 nanometers) long, that can make you sicker then you can possibly imagine, even kill you.

[Final_wolf]

Is there such a thing as a werewolf gene that gives a person the appearance of a wolf?
And secondly, is there anyone in here that can actually Physical shift IRL?

[Xzengrim]

Wait wait wait! You really CAN think yourself sick. First off, there is the psychosomatic reaction that can make a healthy person feel sick. Secondly, worry causes stress, and stress taxes the immune system. If you spend all of your time worrying about being sick, you'll lower your immune system and really become sick.

Of course, it works the other way as well. I can meditate headaches away (sometimes) because I know that the brain has no nerves. It's a phantom pain. There really is no such thing (unless you've got a tumor or something).

But that's not magic. That's just biology. I also understand the three part reasoning (focus/prayer/ direction or however it is) as well as the quantum physics argument, as I have read about them before. But there is no evidence of spirits or deities, or that prayer works, OR that thoughts have any other quantum reaction beyond very feint electrochemical waves. I just don't see how any of those things are connected.

I don't see any proof that magic has worked for anyone, or that it is real in the slightest.

Also: Spelling Magic with a K does NOT make it real. I refuse to spell it that way.

[MexicanJewLizard]

Is there such a thing as a werewolf gene that gives a person the appearance of a wolf?
And secondly, is there anyone in here that can actually Physical shift IRL?

No.

[Tempest]

Wait wait wait! You really CAN think yourself sick. First off, there is the psychosomatic reaction that can make a healthy person feel sick. Secondly, worry causes stress, and stress taxes the immune system. If you spend all of your time worrying about being sick, you'll lower your immune system and really become sick.

Of course, it works the other way as well. I can meditate headaches away (sometimes) because I know that the brain has no nerves. It's a phantom pain. There really is no such thing (unless you've got a tumor or something).

But that's not magic. That's just biology.
Perhaps, but some people believe differently. Just as some Christians don't believe in evolution despite the obvious evidence that it actually did happen. The power of faith can be very stubborn and very strong. Just as you refuse to believe in magick, I refuse to not believe in it.

Also: Spelling Magic with a K does NOT make it real. I refuse to spell it that way.
Alright, but that's not why I spell it with a "k". It is simply to avoid having the ordinary person think we are talking about sleight of hand. Spelling something differently doesn't make it real. It just clarifies things sometimes.

[athan]

.....well arnt we all the little genious mommy wanted us to grow up to be.

[Xzengrim]

I see. I don't *refuse* to believe in magic. I refuse to believe blindly and without proof. I'd love to believe in magic, and try my hand at it, IF it's real.

In that respect, maybe it IS a good idea to spell magic with a k. If it's in the interests of greater efficiency. I shall have to rethink that.

That, and let's get it clear on what we mean by Magic. I define magic as that which circumvents the laws of physics. It's a shortcut to an end, in that way (and because it bypasses physics it is scientifically impossible).

I'm not missing something here, am I?

[Bear]

I thought one became sick because of a germ or viral infection? What do you beleive causes sickness?

Uh dude people can get sick from smells getting winded etc... i'm pretty sure its not just germs and junk.




Peace from the bear

[MexicanJewLizard]

I see. I don't *refuse* to believe in magic. I refuse to believe blindly and without proof. I'd love to believe in magic, and try my hand at it, IF it's real.

In that respect, maybe it IS a good idea to spell magic with a k. If it's in the interests of greater efficiency. I shall have to rethink that.

That, and let's get it clear on what we mean by Magic. I define magic as that which circumvents the laws of physics. It's a shortcut to an end, in that way (and because it bypasses physics it is scientifically impossible).

I'm not missing something here, am I?


Ever tried?

[Nivek]

That, and let's get it clear on what we mean by Magic. I define magic as that which circumvents the laws of physics. It's a shortcut to an end, in that way (and because it bypasses physics it is scientifically impossible).

I'm not missing something here, am I?

Maybe, I assume that you have read theories on quantum physics and superstrings? Also that of the law of causality? Majik is bound by these principles. However, many of these theories are not fully grown, they are missing pieces. It takes a bit of faith to hold them as truths, same as majik.

When one does a ritual, casts a spell, prays or chants, they are simply focusing their mental, spiritual energies and often add to it their physical energies in the forms of sound and motion. For all these actions come effects through our world on many different levels. Even physicists have agreed that a simple sneeze can cause a tornado, so it's not imposible to see that ones intended outcome can be come by without bypassing science. Though, many who try to measure the subtle energies are limited by the measuring devices, which do not pick up the energies sent into action as a reaction to the initial action.

I hope that confused someone.:p

[Xzengrim]

I see. Actually, I have tried magic before. I've tried to turn myself into a wolf on several occasions. Also; I accidentally invoked Satan once, when I was too young to know who he was.

The thing is, I like to study anything I don't understand. I've tried experiments in ESP, psychokinetics, telekenesis, lycanthropy, magic, auras, palmistry, alchemy, precognition, teleportation, astral travel, and a wealth of other things. I read a lot of books about Christianity, Wiccans, fascism, serial killers, politics, the occult, art history, and psychology, among others. People think I'm some sort of nut. But I study these things because I *can't* get into them; not because I AM into them.

Also; yes I understand quantum physics and superstrings. I just haven't seen evidence of these "energies" that seem so central to this philosophy, let alone that mankind possesses these as well as the ability to point them at things.

What kind of magic can you people do? How do you know it works?

[ThrasherCub]

Xzengrim, are you saying you don't believe in Magick because you tried to use it to make yourself all wolfy and it failed? That would require TOTAL control of spirit. If you could sit down, light a candle or two and say "God, you're going to make me a werewolf now!". It's like the Sticky post where it mentions biting and beating with a book "there! you're a shifter!".

Not that simple. You made it seem like you believe only what you can see. You beleive in werewolvs, of any type? Where's the proof?... Do you believe in God? It's fine with me if you don't believe in Magick or even if you don't believe in God (mine or anyone else's). But refusing to believe in what you can't prove is pessimistic.

Es gibt nix
was es nicht gibt

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true."

[MexicanJewLizard]

Xzengrim, are you saying you don't believe in Magick because you tried to use it to make yourself all wolfy and it failed? That would require TOTAL control of spirit. If you could sit down, light a candle or two and say "God, you're going to make me a werewolf now!". It's like the Sticky post where it mentions biting and beating with a book "there! you're a shifter!".

Not that simple. You made it seem like you believe only what you can see. You beleive in werewolvs, of any type? Where's the proof?... Do you believe in God? It's fine with me if you don't believe in Magick or even if you don't believe in God (mine or anyone else's). But refusing to believe in what you can't prove is pessimistic.

Es gibt nix
was es nicht gibt

"The optimist proclaims that we live in the best of all possible worlds; and the pessimist fears this is true."


Read it. That's not what he's saying. I think he put it good form on how her preveives majick.

[Tempest]

That, and let's get it clear on what we mean by Magic. I define magic as that which circumvents the laws of physics. It's a shortcut to an end, in that way (and because it bypasses physics it is scientifically impossible).

I'm not missing something here, am I?

You kind of have the idea. Magick to me is the alteration of certain outcomes by using the energy of yourself, spirits, the Earth, etc. You have it, but you don't. Magick doesn't necessarily have to avoid the laws of physics to work. Neither does it have to by scientifically impossible. If I'm not mistaken, there is strong evidence that the effects a mind has on its body is tremendous. If a mind has this effect on the body, why can't it have this effect on other things, too? Besides, science doesn't solve everything instantly. It takes time. Just a few centuries ago, people would have laughed at you if you told them that microscopic organisms were the cause of their flu. Maybe someday, it will be proven that magick is real. And maybe they'll even have some fancy equation or scientific reason for how it works.
Besides, magick has been used for thousands of years. Why would we keep doing it if it didn't work?

What kind of magic can you people do? How do you know it works?
I do Earth magick mostly. Simple little spells that work just fine. Once in a while I'll do some odds and ends like knot and stone magick.
I know it works because I've seen it work. I cast a money spell for a friend. Now, she's finding coins all over the place. Although it is mostly pennies, there is no way that it was a coincidence. She finds them everywhere. She has about $10 worth of pennies now. I swear, she found one on my bathroom counter and I never put it there.
A friend cast a love spell for herself (*shakes head*). Despite all the warnings. She won't do that again. The guy was falling all over her, whereas before, he showed no emotion to her at all. He eventually turned a bit stalker on her, so she had to undo the spell. *rolls eyes* Never cast a love spell.
Anywho, magick only works if you believe it will work. Any bit of doubt, and you might as well quit.

[Nivek]

Anywho, magick only works if you believe it will work. Any bit of doubt, and you might as well quit.

And that's about the gist of it. Though, one does not have to believ in it in order for it to effect them.

[Final_wolf]

Nivek are you male or female?

[Xzengrim]

I see... Yes, I tried to use magic to make myself a wolf. I don't have any interest in doing anything else. I don't want money or love or to know the future or anything else. Just that one thing.

And Thrasher... I DON'T believe in werewolves, Pshifting, OR God. I DO believe only in what I can see. If it can be measured, tested, or sensed, then it must be real. Otherwise, it is probably not. I'd LIKE to believe in all of those things, because it seems life might be easier that way. But I can't lie to myself, so I need proof first.

That's the tough part about magick. They say you have to believe absolutely in order for it to work. First of all, that makes it impossible to perform experiments on. I can't perform magick experiments myself. I would have to find someone else and observe them secondhand. And secondly, it has been my experience that if people believe in something, they WILL see it whether it is real or not.

That, and Once Again: I do not REFUSE to believe anything. I will believe completely in anything you can show me. I just won't take it on faith for any longer than ten minutes or so.

[Vincent IWP]

i know magic but only the wind and ice spells well my pack cheif know lots of magic

[ShadowCat]

Do you do magic I do, i know tht sounds really corny, but i mean like wicca please post if you do :wavey:

yeah I do -for a couple of years now..
anyway..glad 2 see a lot of witches here!!!