Karma and the rule of three

[dracosn]

Karma and the rule of three
For those that do not know the two are kind of related and have to do with your actions and the impact on others.
Most people know what karma is, it’s actually taught in most high schools for world religions. However the rule of three usually isn’t because of the religion it’s related to, Wicca.
The rule of three in a simple nutshell is that everything that you put into the world both negative and positive will be reflected back to you three fold. It kind of has a similarity to the golden rule except that if you do wrong to another it will come back to hit you three fold.

So what’s your stance on the karma and rule of three or your outlook towards your actions on the world?

[Shield_Wulf]

I'm not voting because I'm not sure I believe in ether. Karma is a Hindu belief that's way it would be taught in World Religion classes. The 3 fold law of Wicca take this and gives it a little kick in the ass. Though it didn't start like that, it was just 2 fold, like Karma, what you send out comes back at twice what was put out. But when Wicca was still young at a press conference to make Wicca look less harmful they added one to the number making it 3 fold law. The thing is, people believe don't affect me unless I want them to really.

[DarkHunter]

I think they're foolish really. They depend on objective morality. An objective definition of "Good and Evil" or "positive and negative" if you want to be New Age about it. But the problem is, there's no real telling what is good or negative. All we have to tell are our own subjective ideas.

And if there is then some objective definition, what defines it? By what criteria?

But if you want to get down to it: Its just too self centered even for me. I mean, I acknowledged that I am a self centered bastard. Its my way of life after all. But I don't believe myself to be the center of the objective universe as well. I don't kid myself into thinking something actually responds to my actions outside of my own self contained world. The universe is vast. Do we really matter that much?

[dracosn]

Well one person can make a big difference. Elections have been won on account of one vote and we all know that one man can kill the entire population of the earth by launching a nuclear warhead and creating a massive nuclear winter and such with the resulting responses from all of the other countries. So yes 1 person can make a difference be it negative or positive. Then again as mentioned above each persons view on the subject of morals and ethics is subjective to each person. I know the world exists outside of me and I try not to screw it up but hey to each his own.

[LanxCrescent]

Karma is the natural law of things, it's true justice. Good and evil, right and wrong don't existe except the the indivisual who is receiving the good or bad act. Its balanced every cause has an equal effect getting morals invoulved in karma however taints it I think. The Law of Three sounds like crap to me, you get whatever you put into somthing. Also the Law of three isn't exculsive to just Wicca, its floating around the Bible somewhere as well. Which is actually mildy ironic.

[Shield_Wulf]

^ You're thinking of the Golden Rule:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
And it's Getting back what you put at, there's nothing about it being 3 fold or not. That Fluffy Bunny Wicca crap.

[MorganaFang]

^ You're thinking of the Golden Rule:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity
And it's Getting back what you put at, there's nothing about it being 3 fold or not. That Fluffy Bunny Wicca crap.

Hold up, miss molly! By Golly the three fold rule is actually not wiccan in origin. I will admit I have no idea where it comes from but I never put too much stock into it.

Though I do believe you reap what you sew, because that actually makes more sense, I don't feel that you would be "punished" several times more for doing a "bad deed". It's all words, babehs and what people choose to give some sort of significant power or not in their lives.

[Shalinda]

So... if i threw a 1kg rock at someone, i would get a 3kg rock back?...

i personally think its some made up junk, but if it was like this it would be cool, i would run out and give all my money away, because i would get it back three fold >_< haha

anyways, not my cup of tea to think like that

[Shield_Wulf]

Hold up, miss molly! By Golly the three fold rule is actually not wiccan in origin. I will admit I have no idea where it comes from but I never put too much stock into it.

Though I do believe you reap what you sew, because that actually makes more sense, I don't feel that you would be "punished" several times more for doing a "bad deed". It's all words, babehs and what people choose to give some sort of significant power or not in their lives.

Well if it was around before Wicca it hard to find anything on it that doesn't have anything to do with it. I look up 3 fold law, and even 3 fold law before Wicca and can't find anything. And it would surprised if it was around before Wicca though, Gerald Gardner did use a lot of thing from different religions when he made Wicca.

[MorganaFang]

Well if it was around before Wicca it hard to find anything on it that doesn't have anything to do with it. I look up 3 fold law, and even 3 fold law before Wicca and can't find anything. And it would surprised if it was around before Wicca though, Gerald Gardner did use a lot of thing from different religions when he made Wicca.

Despite the wiki Article and various men who claim they created the "woman based religion." Wicca is a very very old and you're the three fold rule is a fairly new concept, though there where variations that existed prior to this new variation. I'd like to point you all in the direction of Christianity... Gods wraith :D To some Christians what exactly is god? The father, the son, the holy spirit.... Dey's gunna getcha if you are naughty.

Then there is the greeks and the three fates and three furies.
I'm sure theres more but I just woke up :p

[LV426]

Hold up, miss molly! By Golly the three fold rule is actually not wiccan in origin. I will admit I have no idea where it comes from but I never put too much stock into it.

Though I do believe you reap what you sew, because that actually makes more sense, I don't feel that you would be "punished" several times more for doing a "bad deed". It's all words, babehs and what people choose to give some sort of significant power or not in their lives.

Sorry, I have to.

Sew is a needle pulling thread.
Sow is seeding plant life.



Anyway the three fold law is a wiccan tenant that was adopted from christianity's golden rule.

[Vendetta]

Sorry, I have to.

Sew is a needle pulling thread.
Sow is seeding plant life.
Man I was gonna do that, although not in a Sound-of-Music kind of way. :D

Anyway, Karma, the Three-fold law and the golden rule are all kind of bullshit.

I much prefer Crowley's way of looking at it:
"Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law"

[Aeolus]

I think they're foolish really. They depend on objective morality. An objective definition of "Good and Evil" or "positive and negative" if you want to be New Age about it. But the problem is, there's no real telling what is good or negative. All we have to tell are our own subjective ideas.





You claim morals are relative, but you seem to want to correct every major political/religious figure's mistakes.

I have heard vaguely of the three part rule, but I dont know anything about it.

As for karma, I dont necessarilly put a lot of creedence into the idea, but I feel it is important to TRY to be kind to people while you live on Earth.

[DarkHunter]

You claim morals are relative, but you seem to want to correct every major political/religious figure's mistakes.



I'm sorry who was I correcting? When? Where?

As for me stating my opinions on what is right and wrong, they are just that. My opinions on what is right and wrong. My own subjective ideas of what is good and evil.

[dracosn]

Wow I didn’t think that this thread would actually get as much response as it has. And thanks I did not realize that the rule of three was not of Wicca origin. If anyone does know where it is from perhaps post a link or something I would greatly appreciate it.

At last 100 posts. .

[Aeolus]

I'm sorry who was I correcting? When? Where?

As for me stating my opinions on what is right and wrong, they are just that. My opinions on what is right and wrong. My own subjective ideas of what is good and evil.

Understood.

I should have figured the three part rule was in step with Cristianity or Islam.

Z what are you talking about? The Golden Rule paralells and possibly even inspired some of the ideas behind Wetern Civillization's philosophy on human rights, our country's especially.

[_Grey_]

Huh...

I don't know.

I know that bad things do happen to bad people... but they also happen to good people.

Maybe it's all the way that you think... obviously, if you feel guilty about something and you let it hold you down, bad things will happen. And good people do think bad thoughts... so... maybe the rule of three was only built to scare wiccans or other people into doing what's considered right by the majority.

And if they don't, it's a self-fulfilling prophecy anyways.

Then again, maybe the rule is "No matter what you do you're screwed"?

_Grey_

[Vendetta]

I know that bad things do happen to bad people... but they also happen to good people.
Bad AND good things happen to people, REGARDLESS of whether they are good or bad. I think that's all I've got on this subject.

[_Grey_]

I wasn't meaning to imply that only bad things happened to people, just that both bad and good people have bad things happen to them.

_Grey_

[humanpup]

I have recently turned to Wicca, because of its open policies and the way it is equal. I have been wondering does the three fold law mean it will come back three times or just three times as hard?

[_Grey_]

Three times as hard, or bad, or maybe three unfortunate events.

Oh, and don't forget it could come back good: Three times as pleasant, or good, or three fortunate events.

Take your pick, they are all valid: all of them mean that you got what you gave times three.

But of course it doesn't matter, right? Always do good, and according to your religion it should always come back good... right?

You're not evil (hopefully) so you shouldn't get into any trouble.

_Grey_

[humanpup]

Thanks I was wondering, but I never did use logic. I hope I'm good.

[_Grey_]

Good?

As in good at wicca, or good as in the opposite of evil?

Because if it is the former, you can't be "good" at a religion. The measure of that is what you get from it.

And if it is the latter, you don't "hope" that you don't hex someone... you just don't hex them. Besides, last I checked not many "spells" are bad.

_Grey_

[Vendetta]

Besides, last I checked not many "spells" are bad.
This whole forum is FULL of bad "spelling". :D

[Aeolus]

This whole forum is FULL of bad "spelling". :D

Har har har har!

http://killermookie.org/images/StewieGriffin2.gif

You're funny! :mad:

[deadened_nerves]

I've never believed in karma myself because i've never seen proof of it in my life

[NeonLightChild]

I've never believed in karma myself because i've never seen proof of it in my life

You'll understand it someday when you're helped by a random stranger like some of these people were (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2 799145). Once you've been in a bad situation and helped out by someone who you don't know and never will see again, it really hits you.

Or it could be that if you've never experienced 'karma' in the 'd-something-nice-and-it-will-be-returned' form at your age, you're just too self-centered to think of doing anything nice for someone else.

Disclaimer: I'm mean. Get over it.

[dracosn]

This whole forum is FULL of bad "spelling". :D

Please people for the love of the little bit of sense that is left in the human race :droolbloo please USE SPELL CHECK.
It doesn’t take that much more time just type your post in a word program spell check and cut and paste its not that hard to do.
So unless you have perfect spelling uses the spell check.:beerchug:


P.E.B.K.A.C
(Problem exist between keyboard and chair)
That’s right it’s the user (you)
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

[Vendetta]

Please people for the love of the little bit of sense that is left in the human race :droolbloo please USE SPELL CHECK.
It doesn’t take that much more time just type your post in a word program spell check and cut and paste its not that hard to do.
So unless you have perfect spelling uses the spell check.:beerchug:


P.E.B.K.A.C
(Problem exist between keyboard and chair)
That’s right it’s the user (you)
:banghead: :banghead: :banghead:
And while you're at it proper punctuation helps too.

[UNODRAGONE]

You'll understand it someday when you're helped by a random stranger like some of these people were (http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comments.pl?IDLink=2 799145). Once you've been in a bad situation and helped out by someone who you don't know and never will see again, it really hits you.

Or it could be that if you've never experienced 'karma' in the 'd-something-nice-and-it-will-be-returned' form at your age, you're just too self-centered to think of doing anything nice for someone else.

Disclaimer: I'm mean. Get over it.

what does being nice/civil or rude to someone and having someone treat you or not treat you the same way have to do with karma?

kar·ma /ˈkɑrmə/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[kahr-muh] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun 1. Hinduism, Buddhism. action, seen as bringing upon oneself inevitable results, good or bad, either in this life or in a reincarnation: in Hinduism one of the means of reaching Brahman. Compare bhakti (def. 1), jnana.
2. Theosophy. the cosmic principle according to which each person is rewarded or punished in one incarnation according to that person's deeds in the previous incarnation.
3. fate; destiny.
4. the good or bad emanations felt to be generated by someone or something.


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[Origin: 1820–30; < Skt: nom., acc. sing. of karman act, deed]

[ThrasherCub]

I dislike this poll since I can't vote in it.

Karma has absolutely nothing to do with the rule of three. At all.

Karma is the idea that everything you do leaves an impression on you (much like pushing your thumb into clay), and that if you do enough of the same thing you get enough impressions of that type to actually change the shape of your spirit.

This is how most religions believing in reincarnation explain why/how you may get born as a different species. For example, you might end up doing enough things which are dog-like in nature or spirit, reforming your spirit to be more dog-shaped. When you die and it's time to incarnate you, you'll be born as a dog mostly because your soul won't "fit" in anything else.

And the rule of three is punishment and reward based on doing right and wrong, usually as defined under absolute terms.



They're not even related. It's some wiccan/new-age thing where people are trying to reinvent old traditions to suit their needs, desires, and expectations because they can't be troubled to actually read up on the subject.