Christianity and Supernatural Belief

[shelichen]

Yeah, I'm a committed Catholic. BUT I do love to read and learn about werewolves and vamps. Actually fascinated with it! I think it would be interesting of they existed to some extent. ghosts.....nah....no t really interested in them. What I'd like to know is how many of you out there are in the same shoes as me? Really get into dreaming/learning about this stuff and still knowing the difference between fantasy and reality enough not to get all evil, weird, and sadastic about it all. I still do good and know what's right. Know what I mean? Let me know your thoughts on the subject.
shelichen

[Aeolus]

Yeah, I'm a committed Catholic. BUT I do love to read and learn about werewolves and vamps. Actually fascinated with it! I think it would be interesting of they existed to some extent. ghosts.....nah....no t really interested in them. What I'd like to know is how many of you out there are in the same shoes as me? Really get into dreaming/learning about this stuff and still knowing the difference between fantasy and reality enough not to get all evil, weird, and sadastic about it all. I still do good and know what's right. Know what I mean? Let me know your thoughts on the subject.
shelichen


I dont think things should exist because we WANT them to, and I believe in ghosts, which is addressed somewhere else in the forums. As for enjoying ideas believed to be evil; yeah I'm in the same boat. I play DnD and Magic: the gathering, and I get kind of condemned for that a lot. I try not to let it get in the way of my relationship, but I have been really getting far away lately. I have kind of a swearing problem, and I have a really twisted sense of humor. I'm trying to step back and make changes to that, though.

[BCvonRayfus]

In my opinion, to be Christian is to believe all things are possible. I mean, that's just for this thread. Yeah, to be a Christian is to be lots of things...I'm a Christian, and I believe in werewolves, vampires, ghosts, etc., because I believe anything is possible with God. In my opinion, the supernatural and Christianity go together quite well...

[Aeolus]

Agreed. But I think the belief that anything is possible is supernaturalism in general. I think that christianity should have something to do with salvation, but kudos anyway.

[shelichen]

Agreed. But I think the belief that anything is possible is supernaturalism in general. I think that christianity should have something to do with salvation, but kudos anyway.

Thanks for the comments guys! If werewolves really existed(exist)where do you think we could find them? what about vamps? Aereolus---did you ever see a ghost?
shelichen
P.S. anybody see the movie "Blood and Chocolate"? I thought it was pretty cool.

[Aeolus]

Thanks for the comments guys! If werewolves really existed(exist)where do you think we could find them? what about vamps? Aereolus---did you ever see a ghost?
shelichen
P.S. anybody see the movie "Blood and Chocolate"? I thought it was pretty cool.

I just heard about the blood and chocolate movie, but I didn't really know what is was about. Vampires, isn't it? I'll have to remember that title for a Friday this summer.

Yeah, I do believe I have seen a ghost. It was mine.

As for werewolves, who knows, perhaps they stem from a supernatural affliction which only appears where it will be least noticed, eh?

I would say somewhere dark, wet, and most definitely foggy, that way they would have the advantage of unrecognizabillity. It would be a major boon to their survival in urban climates, a place where there would be ample food. (although I dont know if they need food)

[lykoi_in_shadow6]

I attend church and do believe in the one true God, but
why should I be condemned because I have an interest in the paranormal, it's not my fault the church views werewolves, ghosts, vamps, etc... as evil or "bad" but guess what, people can take anything and turn it into a sin or "something wrong" so as far as I am concerned we
shouldn't change what we want to believe or study because of what the religious nutsacks say. My bible doesn't tell me I can't believe in ghosts so I'm going to.

[Tiamot]

That's a contradiction that I often asked about when I was younger, saying to adults, "You say that you believe in God, who is a supernatural spirit being, but then say that the supernatural isn't real?" eh? My family always believed in the supernatural, but deemed anything that wasn't God, or his angels, were of the devil. I don't particularly hold that viewpoint as an adult, but to each their own.

[Aeolus]

That's a contradiction that I often asked about when I was younger, saying to adults, "You say that you believe in God, who is a supernatural spirit being, but then say that the supernatural isn't real?" eh? My family always believed in the supernatural, but deemed anything that wasn't God, or his angels, were of the devil. I don't particularly hold that viewpoint as an adult, but to each their own.

My parents always told me that they thought there was a supernatural world, but that I shouldn't fear ghosts because God was in control.

The church, in reallity shouldn't have a lot to say about werewolves and the paranormal, it's not a big part of their message and I dont think it matters at all as long as you try not to let your fascination totally take away from your relationship with God, but that's just me. It's mainly the extreme and older members of the church that get upset by these ideas, more out of fear than actual biblical reasoning.

[UNODRAGONE]

I was raised a catholic but I don't follow/believe a lot of what is said in the bible. I believe in God, Pray, do pretty good work but I have an evil side just like anyone else; I curse to no end, I believe in a lot of paranormal/supernatural stuff, I lie on occasion, frankly according to the bible I'm fcked since I won't repent cause it will be untrue. But, my love and belief in God makes me feel that even though I do what the bible or people say is 'bad', God gave me a free will and as long as I have him as my only God I'm safe :) Bottom line, God shouldn't have allowed free will and then strike us down for it. I don't feel bad about anything I do or feel like it's against God it's human nature to be curious about the unknown. Jesus that was long

[Korrek]

In my opinion, to be Christian is to believe all things are possible. I mean, that's just for this thread. Yeah, to be a Christian is to be lots of things...I'm a Christian, and I believe in werewolves, vampires, ghosts, etc., because I believe anything is possible with God. In my opinion, the supernatural and Christianity go together quite well...

I am with you buddy...you nailed it right on the head for me

[Aeolus]

I was raised a catholic but I don't follow/believe a lot of what is said in the bible. I believe in God, Pray, do pretty good work but I have an evil side just like anyone else; I curse to no end, I believe in a lot of paranormal/supernatural stuff, I lie on occasion, frankly according to the bible I'm fcked since I won't repent cause it will be untrue. But, my love and belief in God makes me feel that even though I do what the bible or people say is 'bad', God gave me a free will and as long as I have him as my only God I'm safe :) Bottom line, God shouldn't have allowed free will and then strike us down for it. I don't feel bad about anything I do or feel like it's against God it's human nature to be curious about the unknown. Jesus that was long


It doesn't matter what you do, as long as Christ is your savior. I dont understand why you are not interested in repentence, there are no rituals and anyone can ask for forgiveness, most people who do aren't perfect, either.

As for God allowing free will, he is not 'striking us down'. He didn't want a uniform subservience to himself as the key motivating factor of our race, and I believe that all the tragedy caused by free will and all the beautiful ideas that come out of it are part of what he wanted to see. However, the only reason we go to hell for sinning is because of an almost physical repulsion between God and sin. People who sin don't go to hell because they are in a sense being punished, but because God can't coexist with who they are in their sin. They behaved in an ungodly way and are thus sent to an ungodly place. It's just reaping what you sew.

[wyrm-takes-last]

It doesn't matter what you do, as long as Christ is your savior. I dont understand why you are not interested in repentence, there are no rituals and anyone can ask for forgiveness, most people who do aren't perfect, either.

As for God allowing free will, he is not 'striking us down'. He didn't want a uniform subservience to himself as the key motivating factor of our race, and I believe that all the tragedy caused by free will and all the beautiful ideas that come out of it are part of what he wanted to see. However, the only reason we go to hell for sinning is because of an almost physical repulsion between God and sin. People who sin don't go to hell because they are in a sense being punished, but because God can't coexist with who they are in their sin. They behaved in an ungodly way and are thus sent to an ungodly place. It's just reaping what you sew.


Well, so what about people that have never heard about jebus before? They have of course been damned to hell. And I wouldn't be so sure about that "as long as you follow jesus" thingie. Because, as you should know, catholics condem (not openly) every other religion to hell just as all other god-worshiping religions condem all other religions to hell or whatever.

Point being, christianity says supernatural stuff is evil, why? Because there stupid, plain and simple, good thing my religion doesn't prohibit any supernatural interest or investigation.

[Aeolus]

Well, so what about people that have never heard about jebus before?

If they are infants we are told that they are in fact, spared. I think that Jesus' name has been spread all over the world and that God sees to it that everyone gets the chance to hear the message and either accept, or reject it.

They have of course been damned to hell. And I wouldn't be so sure about that "as long as you follow jesus" thingie. Because, as you should know, catholics condem (not openly) every other religion to hell just as all other god-worshiping religions condem all other religions to hell or whatever.


It goes without being said that everyone has a different understanding of whatever they are searching for.

Point being, christianity says supernatural stuff is evil, why? Because there stupid, plain and simple, good thing my religion doesn't prohibit any supernatural interest or investigation.

That's a pretty blunt and ignorant statement overall, it doesn't really explain anything or make a point, other than tell us what we already know about your opinion on the Word.

I have lived amid protestantism all my life, and I can tell you know that you're way off-base.

Most Christians dont think it is necessary to investigate paranomal subjects because they are confident they have faith in an all-powerful supernatural being of their own. Many of them think that certain areas of the paranormal field have to do with the study of, how should I say... 'dark' artforms and they have no reason to endorse such studies.

Beyond that, I dont think they really care, everyone has their interests.

[sai-fujiwara]

Well, so what about people that have never heard about jebus before? They have of course been damned to hell. And I wouldn't be so sure about that "as long as you follow jesus" thingie. Because, as you should know, catholics condem (not openly) every other religion to hell just as all other god-worshiping religions condem all other religions to hell or whatever.

Point being, christianity says supernatural stuff is evil, why? Because there stupid, plain and simple, good thing my religion doesn't prohibit any supernatural interest or investigation.
I pity you. How could one person be born with this little minded point of view? And to actually say it as though it is real... wow, these types of people must be complete idiots. Ignorant, foolish, idiots.

As for my opinion, because I live in a family who does not like witchy stuff (tarot cards included), but accepts the idea of ghosts, I don't really have the same words as you all do when describing what you believe in.

Pretty much, to be honest, I do not believe in many supernatural things (except for God and aliens, but that's different). I believe in something else entirely.

[UNODRAGONE]

It doesn't matter what you do, as long as Christ is your savior. I dont understand why you are not interested in repentence, there are no rituals and anyone can ask for forgiveness, most people who do aren't perfect, either.

As for God allowing free will, he is not 'striking us down'. He didn't want a uniform subservience to himself as the key motivating factor of our race, and I believe that all the tragedy caused by free will and all the beautiful ideas that come out of it are part of what he wanted to see. However, the only reason we go to hell for sinning is because of an almost physical repulsion between God and sin. People who sin don't go to hell because they are in a sense being punished, but because God can't coexist with who they are in their sin. They behaved in an ungodly way and are thus sent to an ungodly place. It's just reaping what you sew.

The reason I don't ask for repentence is because I don't feel I am doing anything wrong, and I will do what I do again. I think to ask for forgiveness is to be sorry for what you did and try not to do it again, I'm not sorry and I more then likely will do it again.

[_Grey_]

Point being, christianity says supernatural stuff is evil, why? Because there stupid, plain and simple, good thing my religion doesn't prohibit any supernatural interest or investigation.

My mother is a complete christian. She still does tarot, follows her horoscope very closely, and believes in ghosts, ghouls, vampires, werewolves, or whatever.

She was once into Wicca... when she was a teen (Not any more). I've even managed to find some of her old "solitary practitioner" books, and a book about familiars. And they had notes in them.

I don't think you have much of a point there.

_Grey_

[Aeolus]

The reason I don't ask for repentence is because I don't feel I am doing anything wrong, and I will do what I do again. I think to ask for forgiveness is to be sorry for what you did and try not to do it again, I'm not sorry and I more then likely will do it again.

At least you're being honest with yourself.

@fujiwara-

Wyrm's got his own issues and I think that his behavior is far from unique as far as werewolf.com is concerned. Let's try to respect his frustration and anger. After all, it may be best that he vents it that way rather than boxing it up or actually hurting someone.

[wyrm-takes-last]

At least you're being honest with yourself.

@fujiwara-

Wyrm's got his own issues and I think that his behavior is far from unique as far as werewolf.com is concerned. Let's try to respect his frustration and anger. After all, it may be best that he vents it that way rather than boxing it up or actually hurting someone.


I'm not starting to scare you am I pup?

[Aeolus]

I'm not starting to scare you am I pup?

:eek:

I am terrified!!!!!

:p

[wyrm-takes-last]

:eek:

I am terrified!!!!!

:p

Muhahaha!!!

[UNODRAGONE]

At least you're being honest with yourself.

@fujiwara-

Wyrm's got his own issues and I think that his behavior is far from unique as far as werewolf.com is concerned. Let's try to respect his frustration and anger. After all, it may be best that he vents it that way rather than boxing it up or actually hurting someone.

I can only be me, no more no less, I think God would rather have me be honest then lie and be two faced

[Aeolus]

I can only be me, no more no less, I think God would rather have me be honest then lie and be two faced

Yes, he would. I remember an anology that states 'you are either hot or cold, but there is no luke warm.'

[wyrm-takes-last]

Yes, he would. I remember an anology that states 'you are either hot or cold, but there is no luke warm.'

Thats the problem, it's never hot or cold. In fact, it's almost always lukewarm.

Trying to stay on topic here, I think that there may have been, under the christian, possibly the roman catholics, researched into supernatural "stuff" It's really just a guess though, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't, It just seem that they would so some looking-into after all the talk of werewolves and vampies ans demons during the fourteenth century.

[UNODRAGONE]

Thats the problem, it's never hot or cold. In fact, it's almost always lukewarm.

Trying to stay on topic here, I think that there may have been, under the christian, possibly the roman catholics, researched into supernatural "stuff" It's really just a guess though, I wouldn't be suprised if they didn't, It just seem that they would so some looking-into after all the talk of werewolves and vampies ans demons during the fourteenth century.

It's funny you saying that reminds me of how the Vatican church looks into and assists in exorcisms of demons and what not.

[Aeolus]

It's funny you saying that reminds me of how the Vatican church looks into and assists in exorcisms of demons and what not.

Anyone ever read that book, before? You know, the Amityville Horror? It has a lot to do with how the church handles supernatural threats.