I...Have issues!..

[Vammilious]

ok what i am about to put down is 100% true.
Ok here are my issues:

When a full moon is out and i am outside, it drives me crazy. I am literally just..i have no idea how to put it... i feel like i could run faster than i ever have all night till dawn comes. Just so energised. And whenever i am indoors i cant sleep it keeps me up all night.
WHY does the moon do this to me!!!!!!!
(GRRR)

Well those are just 2 of my many many many issues.
my others include constant werewolf dreams, seeming "invisible" to everyone (people never notice me) and such.. but the moon bothers me

[UNODRAGONE]

I know for some reason or other (can't think of it at the top of my head) the moon has a crazy affect on people I think it's cause of the lunar cycle? Could be wrong in any case if your thinking werewolf....theres a couple of other members on here along that path perhaps you would like to pm them and save us all some grief.

[Vammilious]

I know for some reason or other (can't think of it at the top of my head) the moon has a crazy affect on people I think it's cause of the lunar cycle? Could be wrong in any case if your thinking werewolf....theres a couple of other members on here along that path perhaps you would like to pm them and save us all some grief.

nope actually i dislike dogs.
So ive never actually considered it.
Interesting bit though.

[Layira Aura]

Could be wrong in any case if your thinking werewolf....

nope actually i dislike dogs.

Sorry to be so technical, but wolves and dogs are completely different, Vammilious. Just thought I'd point that out. Personally, I dislike dogs too, but I love wolves. See? Different. ;)

[MorganaFang]

Well those are just 2 of my many many many issues.
my others include constant werewolf dreams, seeming "invisible" to everyone (people never notice me) and such.. but the moon bothers me


Hey guess what a great majority of the site's member do too?

None of what you have said is unique at the least. Nor does it make you have some special bond to wolves really.

All animals (humans of course being animals) are effected by the moon.

Wolves are similar to dog they are actually dog's grandparents. Which does not mean you have to like dogs if you like wolves but at the same time people not liking dogs does not make them any less like wolves.

Books, people, READ BOOKS.

[Ender]

Books kill.

Stack all the books in your neighborhood and burn them. Have pitchforks if possible.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Books kill.

Stack all the books in your neighborhood and burn them. Have pitchforks if possible.

You should only burn the stupid books that aren't informational (except for tax records and other tax related stuff) and don't have a good plot in the least. If it's a good/informational book that don't involve taxes, then yes, it should be burned.

[dracosn]

Not all books that are non informational are bad. I like to read books occasionally that are fiction and the only reason that I don’t prefer digital books is because it’s bad for the eyes to stare at a screen for so long. Anyway a lot of people do feel different effects from the moon cycle myself included and it doesn’t need to have anything to do with werewolves. If the moon can create a gravity field that can affect tidal shifts it is bound to have an effect on anything living kind of like how electromagnetic fields have odd effects on animals and people who are animals also. But hey it could also be a werewolf thing after all got to be open to all possibilities.

[wyrm-takes-last]

Books kill.

Stack all the books in your neighborhood and burn them. Have pitchforks if possible.

Wow! What a great idea! You know I think someone already had that idea though, what was his name... Oh yeah, Adolf Hitler!!

[Cheater388]

Y'know, a better remedy is if you eat your books... actually, eating books while their burning is a good combonation...

[_Grey_]

...

The moon affects everyone.

It's not an issue... I always have the best luck under a full moon (why? Dunno. It just happens.). And besides, the moon looks beautiful when it's full.

Nothing to do with wolves, though.

And the book idea... there was a book called Fahrenheit 451... I thought it was funny that everyone thought it was about censorship, when it was really about TVs making people stupid...

_Grey_

[blueeyes]

To be more precise, the physical effects of the moon's position can be roughly mimiced by stepping under a rock with the right LEDs on it. Gravity and light dim very significantly with distance.

Given the cultural connections modern western society has placed on the moon, it's not surpising that someone would mentally connect it to quick movement and aggression.

Seeming 'invisible' is just a nice trick. It's pretty easy for even normal humans to pick up, although most don't seem to try. If it's too much of a hassle, carrying around change, wearing shoes with flat bottoms, and/or ornamental clothing (I believe wallet chains were popular for the male subset recently) will all make your movements fairly noticable without looking too out-of-place or requiring uncomfortable jewelry.

To make it easier to sleep, avoid caffiene for four hours or more before planning to hit the sack, and try to avoid too much activity before bed.

If the werewolf dreams get too irritating, focusing on some other sort of concept for fourty-five minutes or so before going to bed can sometimes help things.

[MorganaFang]

...And the book idea... there was a book called Fahrenheit 451... I thought it was funny that everyone thought it was about censorship, when it was really about TVs making people stupid...

Combination of three concepts, the first couple you just ranted about and then also how old ideas are nothing to hold onto. That people do not need to learn or virtually anything from the past. Old is icky, new good, new is equal to everyone being mindless drones. You see if it had just been about the TVs that what would have been the point of the book burning since TVs can be several times more captivating even when books are still present.

I love that book. Read Brave New World!

I'm not on topic at all but the moon made me do it.

[_Grey_]

Click (http://www.laweekly.com/news/news/ray-bradbury-fahrenheit-451-misinterpreted/16524/)
And actually, it's about how TV's make people lose interest in reading... so I was incorrect.


... Oh, and I can be "invisible". I do it all the time. Even when I'm noisy. All I have to do is set off fireworks... and while everyone's all "Oh my god! Pretty colors!" I sneak off.

_Grey_

[Golden Howl]

Sorry to be so technical, but wolves and dogs are completely different, Vammilious. Just thought I'd point that out. Personally, I dislike dogs too, but I love wolves. See? Different. ;)
Actually you're wrong. Dogs' ancestors are wolves, & they share many traits with wolves. Properly trained dogs look at their owners as the alpha wolf. Spoiled dogs think they're the leader of the "pack"
(Consisting of humans). Wolves are just cooler :D
And to the person with the issue with the moon, don't freak out. Whenever I witness a full moon, a sense of strange peace & happiness washes over me, no matter how sad I am. It's normal.

[Webwolf]

Ancestor or not, I have to agree with Layira Aura that wolves are completely different in terms of behaviour and even physically in some ways. Wolves also don't bark, contrary to many believes. To me, thats enough to see wolves as seperate creatures.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Ancestor or not, I have to agree with Layira Aura that wolves are completely different in terms of behaviour and even physically in some ways. Wolves also don't bark, contrary to many believes. To me, thats enough to see wolves as seperate creatures.

Actually wolves do bark; there really isn't that much difference in wolf's vocal cords than a dogs. Dogs are the "domesticated" versions of wolves. Of course, "domestication" is just the human giuded evolution of a creature to make it more inferior/less agresive towards humans. Where did you get your information from?

[Layira Aura]

Ancestor or not, I have to agree with Layira Aura that wolves are completely different in terms of behaviour and even physically in some ways. Wolves also don't bark, contrary to many believes. To me, thats enough to see wolves as seperate creatures.

Thanks for being open-minded. :D Really, though, when you look at a pomeranian or shitzu, it's hard to say that they once were like wolves. You may say its evolution, I say its cross-breeding(and bad ones at that). Sure, the anatomical structure may be similar, and they may have they may fall into the same general category(i.e, the Animal Kingdom, and Carnivores), but they aren't the same species. And the term "dog" is the name we have given to the domesticated animal that was a wolf...at one time or another. However, years of breeding and domestication has dulled their senses and instincts. A dog could survive in the wild no better than a human could. Therefore, I believe a dog can not be compared to a wolf.

[_Grey_]

Wrong Brp. Adult wolves don't bark. Only the adolescent ones do.

_Grey_

[BlackRosePhantom]

Wrong Brp. Adult wolves don't bark. Only the adolescent ones do.

_Grey_

They still bark.

[_Grey_]

Yes. But unlike dogs, they grow out of it.

Which means that they are still completely different anyway.

_Grey_

[Layira Aura]

Please read:

Wolves bark when nervous or when they want to warn other wolves of danger. Wolves bark very discreetly, and will not generally bark loudly or repeatedly as dogs do; rather, they use a low-key, breathy "whuf" sound to immediately get attention of other wolves. Wolves also "bark-howl" by adding a brief howl to the end of a bark. Wolves bark-howl for the same reasons they normally bark. Generally, pups bark and bark-howl much more frequently than adults, using these vocalizations to cry for attention, care, or food.

Maybe that answers that question. Anymore questions?

[BlackRosePhantom]

Yes. But unlike dogs, they grow out of it.

Which means that they are still completely different anyway.

_Grey_

Well, most dogs really just act like adolecant wolves (mainly because their "owners" just pamper them too much).

[MorganaFang]

behaviour and even physically in some ways. Wolves also don't bark, contrary to many believes. To me, thats enough to see wolves as seperate creatures.

Um for one, wolves do bark, also behavior wise dogs act extremely similar to wolves. Within their human family unit they still maintain a pack mentality which several will see themselves as alpha others will constantly (in what seems like affectionate ways) challenge that. If you let your dog stand on you then he probably thinks he's an alpha.

wolves also do play, run, jump, lick and physically look like dogs despite being bigger and more agile. They are different sure, but they are not so different like you guys want to say.

[Layira Aura]

Um for one, wolves do bark, also behavior wise dogs act extremely similar to wolves. Within their human family unit they still maintain a pack mentality which several will see themselves as alpha others will constantly (in what seems like affectionate ways) challenge that. If you let your dog stand on you then he probably thinks he's an alpha.

wolves also do play, run, jump, lick and physically look like dogs despite being bigger and more agile. They are different sure, but they are not so different like you guys want to say.

Yes, we've established the fact that wolves bark. See my lower post on that bit.

As far as family and heirchary, some dogs maintain their instincts as a pack.

Morgana, wolves and dogs are different enough to be called by a different name. They are not interchangable, and we certainly would be corrected if we called a dog, a wolf. However, biologically, they are similar. Still, I find it somewhat offensive to push a wolf under the same umbrella as a dog.

[MorganaFang]

Morgana, wolves and dogs are different enough to be called by a different name.

What actually is trying to be established is that they are not so immensely different like you want to believe. (A rose by any other name...)

It should not be offensive to consider a wolf and dog similar. However you should be offended some when some jerk attempts to treat a wolf like a dog in a park or their natural habitat because it just is not going to happen.

The real difference between wolves and dogs lies in the domestication. Anything that's truly "wrong" with a dog is probably because of human involvement. Not that I'm going start another reason for everyone to hate their own species I'm just saying don't be so close minded.

I am not a particularly hug fan of cats but I love tigers, and I do not mind cats being an umbrella term for larger felines. Tigers probably have more differences to the house hold cat then wolves do to dogs.

Sorry to make that a big thing but I'm super keen on wolves too, admittedly I also like dogs because their ancestors are wolves. But I'm not trying to convince you or anyone else to care for dogs because of that fact. For the most part I just find saying "wolves and dogs are very different" incorrect and my reasons why I have already stated.

[Layira Aura]

It should not be offensive to consider a wolf and dog similar.

For the most part I just find saying "wolves and dogs are very different" incorrect and my reasons why I have already stated.


I'm not saying that its offensive to consider them "similar". What I meant was that it is offensive to call the the same, because they are not.

And by different, I mean that they are not the same species, no matter how closely related they are. For instance, a bulldog and dalmatian may both be dogs, but they are not the same. They have many different qualities, but can still fall under the category of dog. Same thing with wolves and dogs. They still fall under the same general umbrella, but again, they are not the same. They have a lot in common, but they have differences too. I think it is disrespectful to call them the same.

[Webwolf]

Um for one, wolves do bark, also behavior wise dogs act extremely similar to wolves. Within their human family unit they still maintain a pack mentality which several will see themselves as alpha others will constantly (in what seems like affectionate ways) challenge that. If you let your dog stand on you then he probably thinks he's an alpha.

wolves also do play, run, jump, lick and physically look like dogs despite being bigger and more agile. They are different sure, but they are not so different like you guys want to say.

No. Wolves cán bark, but they don't. And personally, I don't like labels too much, since I stay by my words that wolves are still very different from dogs. That being said, its a common fact that all types of dogs and canines vary in certain ways, so you can't possibly compare them too much. Sure, they are all canines, but would you consider having a pitbull or a chiuaua in your house the same deal? I doubt it.

[UNODRAGONE]

No. Wolves cán bark, but they don't. And personally, I don't like labels too much, since I stay by my words that wolves are still very different from dogs. That being said, its a common fact that all types of dogs and canines vary in certain ways, so you can't possibly compare them too much. Sure, they are all canines, but would you consider having a pitbull or a chiuaua in your house the same deal? I doubt it.

Wolves are different from dogs, but not as much as you hope. Can't remember where I read it but some where in a history book I read that all dogs are derived from their wolf ancestors. Wolves being the first representation of dog. So in that case and point of view, they have incredible similarities and few differences. And as far as the pit and Chihuahua go, I'd rather have the Chihuahua. Pits are over rated, inbreed way too much and wired wrong in my opinion too many times I have seen a pit attack it's master. Never underestimate the size of the dog, little dogs are much more ferocious then big ones :)

[Layira Aura]

Pits are over rated, inbreed way too much and wired wrong in my opinion too many times I have seen a pit attack it's master.


Actually, not all pitbulls are vicious and attack dogs. My cousin has three of them, and he has raised many pups, and they are the nicest dogs I've ever seen. And they're not fixed either. They're only mean if the owner makes them like that.

[MorganaFang]

Actually, not all pitbulls are vicious and attack dogs. My cousin has three of them, and he has raised many pups, and they are the nicest dogs I've ever seen. And they're not fixed either. They're only mean if the owner makes them like that.

I nearly owned the most gental and loving pitbull ever but it's previous owner was a douche and the dog did not make it.

Pitbulls are quite capable of being less vicious than a the little yappy things I cannot for the life of me spell. You can also train a yappy thing to be an attack dog. My mini daschund was a hunting dog and very vicious if you crossed her (mind you no abuse on our part made her that way she was just a crab).

Also believe it or not I own a very passive Jack Russell terrier that does not jump, bark or is constantly wanting to play. The other one I have does but that one also likes to sit on faces. Dogs are weird they are like sponges of their owner's personalities at one moment but develop their own at another.

So basically I'm agreeing with Layira this time.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Pitbulls are quite capable of being less vicious than a the little yappy things I cannot for the life of me spell. You can also train a yappy thing to be an attack dog.

Lmao at that, seriously. Of course, I can not spell Chihuahua either (copied and paste), and I do have to argee with you and Layira Aura.

[Webwolf]

Wolves are different from dogs, but not as much as you hope. Can't remember where I read it but some where in a history book I read that all dogs are derived from their wolf ancestors. Wolves being the first representation of dog. So in that case and point of view, they have incredible similarities and few differences. And as far as the pit and Chihuahua go, I'd rather have the Chihuahua. Pits are over rated, inbreed way too much and wired wrong in my opinion too many times I have seen a pit attack it's master. Never underestimate the size of the dog, little dogs are much more ferocious then big ones :)

I know what you mean. All canines look alike in many aspects, but that doesn't make them the same. Ofcourse I know that wolves and dogs obviously have a lot in common, but by the way a lot of people compare them it is just way to much. There is still a reason why a wolf is a wolf and a dog a dog, if you know what I mean.

I can not spell Chihuahua either (copied and paste)

Google is your friend. ;)

[NeonLightChild]

If you don't mind my blatant and shameless interruption, perhaps this thread can be moved to Biology since it has deviated so much from the original topic?

On the topic of wolves and dogs: They are both canids. Same family (Canidae). THEY ARE RELATED. That means that somewhere in there, SOMETHING is the same. Even horses and tapirs are related (http://www.thewebsiteofever ything.com/animals/mammals/Perissodactyla/), the tapir resembling Eohippus more than Equus but still, RELATED. Przewalski's horse (the Mongolian wild horse) is still a horse, and so is Thumbelina (http://www.worldssmallestho rse.com/gallery.htm).

A wolf has the same basic instincts as a great Dane has the same basic instincts as the coyote has the same basic instincts of the Chihuahua. Different habits, yes. But dominance, leadership, exercise, affection, vocalizations...hell , even a Basenji makes a bark-like sound!

This whole argument is stupid. No one is reinventing the classification system just because wolves don't bark like dogs do and dogs like to bark their damn fool heads off compared to wolves, much less because some wolf-obsessed, academically-limited (ie no PhD OR long-term research experience among wolves) adolescents made a point.
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Digressing now.

Vammilious, you are a human. The moon has fascinated people for centuries. Use Google to find out what effects the moon has on the earth and its peoples, because your case is definitely far from the first. Constant werewolf dreams: yo'ure thinking about werewolves too much. Simple as that. Ever heard lovestruck idiots say "Oh honey, I dreamed about you last night!"? That's why, they think about each other way too much. Think about something else. Seeming "invisible" to people: it happens in high school too, but maybe that's because I was a depressed, crazy-hyper band geek. I grew up and suddenly people look me in the eye when I'm talking. Grow a spine, gain some confidence and you will be noticed.

Sorry for the bluntness, but like I said...blatant and shameless. Any problems with it, PM me personally.

DIsclaimer: I have not worked with wolves, just done my research on t3h int4rw3bs and through books and journals. So don't go all personal-attack-like on me.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Google is your friend. ;)

No, finally memorizing the d@mn word would be helpful, not a website search engine. Besides, I'd rather yahoo.:p

[Hamster_Mommy]

ok what i am about to put down is 100% true.
Ok here are my issues:

When a full moon is out and i am outside, it drives me crazy. I am literally just..i have no idea how to put it... i feel like i could run faster than i ever have all night till dawn comes. Just so energised. And whenever i am indoors i cant sleep it keeps me up all night.
WHY does the moon do this to me!!!!!!!
(GRRR)

Well those are just 2 of my many many many issues.
my others include constant werewolf dreams, seeming "invisible" to everyone (people never notice me) and such.. but the moon bothers me

The moon effects all Earth life on some level, and some are more sensative to the lunar cycle than others. It is not unnatural to be effected in such a way by the moon. I get energized and have trouble sleeping during full moons also so don't feel alone with this issue. I know it can be a pain when you want to sleep and can't.

As a side note on the subject of full moon effects:
In my fantasies as a werewolf fan I wish I could say the moon effecting you, me, or someone in such a way was a sign of latent werewolfry, but I'm afraid to my knowledge it is not.

I have consistant werewolf dreams too. I find I especially dream about them when I am under stress, wishing I could be one during my awake time intensely, or after having watched a movie or read a book about them, during full moons Etc. I wonder if any of these are possibilities for you also knowingly, or subconciously. A lot of dream books I've flipped through say werewolf dreams are a sign of repressed or unfulfilled desires, often sexual, but not neccessarily as a tid bit of info. to pass on.
I don't think having dreams about the same thing is an issue or unique unless they are having negative effects on your awake life, in which case I'd seek some form of sound help regarding them.
Again, I wish I could say your werewolf themed dreams where somehow connected to werewolfry as a reality given my fandom of them as an explanation of why you consistantly have werewolf dreams, but nope I can't based on my personal experiences. I say enjoy them. Well, if you like werewolves anyway!

I've also had people not notice me where I've felt like if even for a moment I'm invisiable to them. The experience seems for me to come and go in streaks. There could be several possibilities why you have this type of experience ranging from scientific, theologic, or metaphysic Etc. I think a main reason might just be that people often don't bother to be aware of their surroundings even when something is right under their nose.
I have a Chippewa friend named Leonard who says that the ability to become invisible to others whether literally or otherwise is a strong female preternatural/spirit ability that some women have and can use if aware of at will. Or something along those lines.
I think if controlled invisibility would be handy thing to be able to do indeed. I'm not a huge people person as a whole and like to stay in the background when I'm out and about.

[Webwolf]

If you don't mind my blatant and shameless interruption, perhaps this thread can be moved to Biology since it has deviated so much from the original topic?

On the topic of wolves and dogs: They are both canids. Same family (Canidae). THEY ARE RELATED. That means that somewhere in there, SOMETHING is the same. Even horses and tapirs are related (http://www.thewebsiteofever ything.com/animals/mammals/Perissodactyla/), the tapir resembling Eohippus more than Equus but still, RELATED. Przewalski's horse (the Mongolian wild horse) is still a horse, and so is Thumbelina (http://www.worldssmallestho rse.com/gallery.htm).

A wolf has the same basic instincts as a great Dane has the same basic instincts as the coyote has the same basic instincts of the Chihuahua. Different habits, yes. But dominance, leadership, exercise, affection, vocalizations...hell , even a Basenji makes a bark-like sound!

This whole argument is stupid. No one is reinventing the classification system just because wolves don't bark like dogs do and dogs like to bark their damn fool heads off compared to wolves, much less because some wolf-obsessed, academically-limited (ie no PhD OR long-term research experience among wolves) adolescents made a point.
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Digressing now.

Vammilious, you are a human. The moon has fascinated people for centuries. Use Google to find out what effects the moon has on the earth and its peoples, because your case is definitely far from the first. Constant werewolf dreams: yo'ure thinking about werewolves too much. Simple as that. Ever heard lovestruck idiots say "Oh honey, I dreamed about you last night!"? That's why, they think about each other way too much. Think about something else. Seeming "invisible" to people: it happens in high school too, but maybe that's because I was a depressed, crazy-hyper band geek. I grew up and suddenly people look me in the eye when I'm talking. Grow a spine, gain some confidence and you will be noticed.

Sorry for the bluntness, but like I said...blatant and shameless. Any problems with it, PM me personally.

DIsclaimer: I have not worked with wolves, just done my research on t3h int4rw3bs and through books and journals. So don't go all personal-attack-like on me.

Maybe you haven't read the posts in this topic too well, because I think there was no misunderstanding about wolves being related to dogs. The discussion was more about wolves being classified as dogs.

Could be me though...

No, finally memorizing the d@mn word would be helpful, not a website search engine. Besides, I'd rather yahoo.:p

Well, I'm not English nor American, so I just Google every 'hard' English word up with Google and usually Google finds the word I'm looking for.

[NeonLightChild]

Maybe you haven't read the posts in this topic too well, because I think there was no misunderstanding about wolves being related to dogs. The discussion was more about wolves being classified as dogs.

Could be me though...
I read all I needed to to realize that it was turning into a "Yes they do," "No they don't," type of deal.

My point about bringing up the classification was to emphasize how closely wolves and dogs are related and NOT THE SAME. Maybe I wasn't the smartest to bring up the horse/tapir relationship since it's so distant (Family rather than Genus). But when something is related that closely, such as wolves and dogs (Canis lupus and Canis familiaris), something has got to be similar but yet different enough to make them completely separate species. Kind of like how there's enough of a difference between Equus caballus and Equus caballus przewalski to classify them as a separate species and subspecies. Maybe its the fact that wolves don't have the motivation to bark that dogs do. Certain dogs were BRED to bark such as hounds. Wolves do not hunt the same way as hounds do, therefore they do not need to bark as much as a hound on the trail.

I don't know, I was trying to make a point, hopefully someone here can figure it out, but I'm so brainfried at the moment that I can't piece it together.

Or maybe I'm just fed up with asinine arguments. :shrug:

[MorganaFang]

I don't know, I was trying to make a point, hopefully someone here can figure it out, but I'm so brainfried at the moment that I can't piece it together.

eh this thread lost it's point when the OP decided to put the first letter down in the title box. :p