Werewolf worth it?

[Hamster_Mommy]

If you could physically transform into a werewolf nightly, but only by swearing your soul (presuming you believe you have a soul to lose) to servitude,damnation, and suffering forever to some source somehow upon your death would you still choose to be a werewolf?

Myself, no. For as much as I wish to be a werewolf call it a stupid fantasy or what not as you may, I would not because I think an eternity of shit is too high of a price for such a state of being only within one's lifetime.
Now, if I could be a werewolf in (and yes I realize it is subjective) a "good" way I'd jump on the chance.

[IIFerinusII]

I would not give my soul up for a few years of being a werewolf. I don't believe in hell in the first place though, so I have nothing to worry about :D . Now, there are so many different forms of the werewolf legend, like living for eternity, and the fact that many stories are basically being turned into a werewolf through natural means (being bit by a wolf, drinking out of the paw print of a wolf, drinking down stream of a wolf, I won't go into all of them.). Those I might be able to deal with, but if we stick to your hypothetical situation in which you have to give up your soul, then I would say no and you would have to be one sick SOB to say yes.

[dracosn]

Probably not a single lifetime with the ability of a werewolf is not worth an eternity of suffering. However if I could be a werewolf in a good way and be able to live forever and stuff like that I would definitely give it more of a thought because I wouldn’t really lose my soul to an eternity of suffering if I lived forever.

[Aeolus]

Probably not a single lifetime with the ability of a werewolf is not worth an eternity of suffering. However if I could be a werewolf in a good way and be able to live forever and stuff like that I would definitely give it more of a thought because I wouldn’t really lose my soul to an eternity of suffering if I lived forever.

I don't think being a werewolf without the cursing is worth it. Think about how painful it must be to transform into a monster, and do violent things with no control over yourself, and then there's the lack of sleep.

It's just not for me.

[wyrm-takes-last]

If you could physically transform into a werewolf nightly, but only by swearing your soul (presuming you believe you have a soul to lose) to servitude,damnation, and suffering forever to some source somehow upon your death would you still choose to be a werewolf?

Myself, no. For as much as I wish to be a werewolf call it a stupid fantasy or what not as you may, I would not because I think an eternity of shit is too high of a price for such a state of being only within one's lifetime.
Now, if I could be a werewolf in (and yes I realize it is subjective) a "good" way I'd jump on the chance.


I don't believe in the devil nor hell, so yes, I would jump on the opportunity. I have always dreamt of something more that this mundane boring repetitive livestyle, a little werewolfism is just what I need. If some jerk wad offered me to become a werewolf, I would take his offer, then take his life. I would probably be something like 'the punisher' finding sickos and psychopaths, murderers and molesters and giving them their just rewards, I would probably hunt down high crime and drug lords, And I would probably become better aquainted with firearms, for when I wasn't in werewolf form. I'd be a fucking rogue superhero yo...

[Hamster_Mommy]

When I asked my question, I did not mean servitude, suffering, and damnation to be specific of the devil or hell according to Christian docterine, I should have specified, what I meant was would anyone accept the offer of werewolfry facing such later circumstances from any (fill in the blank) probably dark in nature power, if that clarifies any, or helps anyone provide replies better. I realize there are many who don't believe in hell or the devil, but may believe in a dark side so to speak of things yet.

[wyrm-takes-last]

When I asked my question, I did not mean servitude, suffering, and damnation to be specific of the devil or hell according to Christian docterine, I should have specified, what I meant was would anyone accept the offer of werewolfry facing such later circumstances from any (fill in the blank) probably dark in nature power, if that clarifies any, or helps anyone provide replies better. I realize there are many who don't believe in hell or the devil, but may believe in a dark side so to speak of things yet.

I see, well then, the answer is still yes because although werewolfism may come with a darkside, it is only as strong as its victim. If a weak willed person is affected with werewolfism, he will become a maddened beserker killing all in his path for no reason at all, his rage consuming him. A strong willed person would channel that rage and power to serve his own needs, whether they be just or not. As it so happens, my needs would serve the greater good in that case

[Hamster_Mommy]

I don't believe in the devil nor hell, so yes, I would jump on the opportunity. I have always dreamt of something more that this mundane boring repetitive livestyle, a little werewolfism is just what I need. If some jerk wad offered me to become a werewolf, I would take his offer, then take his life. I would probably be something like 'the punisher' finding sickos and psychopaths, murderers and molesters and giving them their just rewards, I would probably hunt down high crime and drug lords, And I would probably become better aquainted with firearms, for when I wasn't in werewolf form. I'd be a fucking rogue superhero yo...

Why would you kill the one who offered you werewolfry upon accepting it if that where a possibility?

[wyrm-takes-last]

Why would you kill the one who offered you werewolfry upon accepting it if that where a possibility?


Assuming that he is some sort of devil worshiping, pig-headed sap who wanted to use me for his own means, then I would kill him. If it was by accident by another werewolf, then I probably wouldn't kill him, unless he was trying to kill me. If it was by a werewolf who intended to make me a werewolf, then I would thank him for the gift, and only side with him if he was to offer me aid.

[Hamster_Mommy]

I see, well then, the answer is still yes because although werewolfism may come with a darkside, it is only as strong as its victim. If a weak willed person is affected with werewolfism, he will become a maddened beserker killing all in his path for no reason at all, his rage consuming him. A strong willed person would channel that rage and power to serve his own needs, whether they be just or not. As it so happens, my needs would serve the greater good in that case

Inciteful.
Do you believe that by serving the greater good as a werewolf it would void upon death facing the darkside of the unknown badness you accepted the werewolfry offer from?

[Hamster_Mommy]

Assuming that he is some sort of devil worshiping, pig-headed sap who wanted to use me for his own means, then I would kill him. If it was by accident by another werewolf, then I probably wouldn't kill him, unless he was trying to kill me. If it was by a werewolf who intended to make me a werewolf, then I would thank him for the gift, and only side with him if he was to offer me aid.

I really like your answers and thoughtfulness.

[IIFerinusII]

Inciteful.
Do you believe that by serving the greater good as a werewolf it would void upon death facing the darkside of the unknown badness you accepted the werewolfry offer from?

Good and bad is all a matter of perception. Most people, including Hitler, had good intentions for themselves and their people (though we all see it as very evil and misguided, including myself).
This argument does not work, and if you try to bring religion into it saying that there is a line between good and evil, it is a sin to kill, which is what you would be doing.
Argument that doing good would void your damnation, is void itself.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Good and bad is all a matter of perception. Most people, including Hitler, had good intentions for themselves and their people (though we all see it as very evil and misguided, including myself).
This argument does not work, and if you try to bring religion into it saying that there is a line between good and evil, it is a sin to kill, which is what you would be doing.
Argument that doing good would void your damnation, is void itself.

I understand the point being made, and it is indeed hard to dispute, if it can be. For the sake of my question though for novelty purposes, I think without reading into the question too hard or philosophically a YES I'D DO IT TO SPITE THOSE CIRCUMSTANCES, or NO I WOULDN'T DO IT can still be replied.

P.S. I like your avatar :), I have that Liquid Blue brand t-shirt, and one like it with a Lion also.

[silvr_werwulf]

for those who have the choice.... maby depending on the case, but what about those that are forced..... its tough


actually...... yes.

[Hamster_Mommy]

for those who have the choice.... maby depending on the case, but what about those that are forced..... its tough


actually...... yes.

Yeah, presuming you have that choice is what I asked with my question.

You must desire werewolfry very much to say yes to such a hypothetical deal. To this I would say I hope you get what you desire, and it is as you've hoped it would be.

[LV426]

I would have to know the exact defined parameters of such an offer before I could say yes or no. Basically sacrificing my soul isn't a big deal because my belief system doesn't belief in souls. As for the darkside, that is what lurks in the heart of every person so it is up to us to use the power as we see fit if in fact we have control. You see I wouldn't want to be given such an ability if I had no control over it. Basically that would end up with me in jail for murder in a heartbeat or as a hunted beast and I really want to avoid that. But if the ability was given with just the shape-shifting and no loss of cognitive ability then I would be more tempted. Also if it's a forced change such as at the full moon or if it's an any time you want to change.

See too many parameters to say yes or no at this time.

[wyrm-takes-last]

Inciteful.
Do you believe that by serving the greater good as a werewolf it would void upon death facing the darkside of the unknown badness you accepted the werewolfry offer from?

yes, plus i don't believe in karma

And its also worth it because its my ultimate fantasy to make love to my life partiner while in werewolf form.

[BlackRosePhantom]

It really depends. I don't believe in a soul and know it is just a myth/metaphor for one's emotions, desires, self control, and that special adrenalin rush you get when you/a loved one is about to die. this is all actually part of the mind. So in the form of giving up my soul, I give up all of my emotions, desires, perseverance, self control, and most importantly, my free will. Basically I'd be a weak and pathetic puppet that couldn't even stop himself from doing the littles/biggest thing that I don't want to do. In this case, no. I am no one's puppet!!!

Of course, another way of looking at giving up your soul to some else, is that you still have it for the most part, it's just that you can't go against your "master". Sounds like becoming a dog of the military, doesn't it? Yes, that means the US troops too. They chose to become a part of the military because of the benefits and/or for their loved ones, but they basically lose their right to protest a war, since they will be putting down the protest, and have to go and fight against an enemy that they, personally, don't want to fight/kill. in this case I would say yes. Now, what if this master is evil? Then before I make the deal, I make sure the master won't cause my loved ones' deaths, directly or indirectly. This will also guaranty that I can't be forced to kill my loved ones because that would still be an indirect cause of my loved ones' death. I would also make sure if he did, then I would be able to keep my werewolf self, thus being able to get revenge easier. I wouldn't have a problem with anything else he wanted me to do because a human life is just as valuable as any other animal life, and humans kill other animals by the millions a day, and I won't technically be humans, so... I wouldn't have a problem taking that person's life. Besides I always played the bad guy in childhood games because one on else was willing (another reason why I'm not liked, people see what I do, and don't look into why I do it), so it's payback time for no appreciation.:D

[LV426]

yes, plus i don't believe in karma

And its also worth it because its my ultimate fantasy to make love to my life partiner while in werewolf form.

You do realize that's bestiality and illegal in the United States as well as most developed countries.

[DarkHunter]

If you could physically transform into a werewolf nightly, but only by swearing your soul (presuming you believe you have a soul to lose) to servitude,damnation, and suffering forever to some source somehow upon your death would you still choose to be a werewolf?


Yes.

LV426, I think beastiality is legal in Washington State as long as the animals don't suffer any pain.

[Galhadrian]

Absolutely the-fuck-not. (If I missed anything in te rules against harsh language like that please tell me and I'll edit. Forgive the noob!) Losing my own free will and my, well, soul, would defeat the entire purpose, and take away my loveable ability to be the most hard-headed, stubborn s.o.b. this side of the planet.

And my wolf side would never agree anyway. :D

[wyrm-takes-last]

Absolutely the-fuck-not. (If I missed anything in te rules against harsh language like that please tell me and I'll edit. Forgive the noob!) Losing my own free will and my, well, soul, would defeat the entire purpose, and take away my loveable ability to be the most hard-headed, stubborn s.o.b. this side of the planet.

And my wolf side would never agree anyway. :D

So your saying that you are weak-willed and would be unable to control yourself in werewolf form? Then yes, it is understandable that you would not want to become a werewolf.

Concerning beastiality, how is making love to my life partiner while in werewolf form beastiality? Aren't I still considered partly human while werewolf? And wouldn't it be more illegal for her anyway, because I would technically be the animal in that situation.

[Galhadrian]

So your saying that you are weak-willed and would be unable to control yourself in werewolf form?

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be a cunt by calling me weak-willed.

While I don't believe it's possible to lose one's soul, in every movie/book/leend/ whatever I've heard read or sen about losing one's soul, one typically loses one's free will along with it.

[BlackRosePhantom]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be a cunt by calling me weak-willed.

While I don't believe it's possible to lose one's soul, in every movie/book/leend/ whatever I've heard read or sen about losing one's soul, one typically loses one's free will along with it.

I actually have to agree with him/her (guessing you're a him, but feel free to corect me). Your free will is part of your soul.

[wyrm-takes-last]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be a cunt by calling me weak-willed.

While I don't believe it's possible to lose one's soul, in every movie/book/leend/ whatever I've heard read or sen about losing one's soul, one typically loses one's free will along with it.


This thread goes under the assumption that IF werewolves were real, well, as it is they are most likely not, but pretending for a second that they are, it could also be assumed that books,movies,whateve r would most likely NOT be good guides to werewolfism.

If thats what your going by, a man can be thrown out of a car from the windsheild and live, I saw it in a movie, it has to be true...

[UNODRAGONE]

I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you weren't trying to be a cunt by calling me weak-willed.

While I don't believe it's possible to lose one's soul, in every movie/book/leend/ whatever I've heard read or sen about losing one's soul, one typically loses one's free will along with it.

Wow think you took that a little too personal

[Galhadrian]

Wow think you took that a little too personal

Meh. It's possible. Apologies. :D

[Lysander]

If somebody came up to you and proved to you he had the power to turn you into wolf whenever you wanted, at the price of your soul, dont you think you might start believing in souls and the hereafter because obviously this dude knows something you dont.

[Hamster_Mommy]

If somebody came up to you and proved to you he had the power to turn you into wolf whenever you wanted, at the price of your soul, dont you think you might start believing in souls and the hereafter because obviously this dude knows something you dont.


They'd have my vote.

[Avalancheblu]

Werewolf?!? Hell Yeah I'm Happy To Be A Werewolf,
Besides It Sets Me Apart From The Normal. My Kid
Sister Said To Me Was The Best Complement To Me Was
'you Freak Out My Friends,they Are Afraid Of You
And Are Scary To Them.'
Sniff Sniff I Smell Something
Lovely Oooo I Smell Somrthing
Yummy

[Wulfman Mike]

To me, its worth it.
I wouldnt care what the cost. But its never gonna happen.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Werewolf?!? Hell Yeah I'm Happy To Be A Werewolf,
Besides It Sets Me Apart From The Normal. My Kid
Sister Said To Me Was The Best Complement To Me Was
'you Freak Out My Friends,they Are Afraid Of You
And Are Scary To Them.'
Sniff Sniff I Smell Something
Lovely Oooo I Smell Somrthing
Yummy

This doesn't address my question as your commentary currently stands.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Werewolves Rules Down With The Humans!!!!!!!

Sniff Sniff I Smell Something Ooooo
I Smell Something Lovely Oooo Yummy


Please stop taking a shit on my thread here by posting off topic, and worse stupidly.

[Lysander]

So even if you sold your soul for this power, you would then be the only one and not have a pack to run with of people like you.

[Pickle Tickler]

Unless you convinced others to do the same.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend it. You're probably gonna end up shot anyway. Or worse. Put in a zoo.

[Lysander]

Overall, I wouldn't recommend it. You're probably gonna end up shot anyway. Or worse. Put in a zoo.

Or be 'part' of a secret government research project into the paranormal.

[sai-fujiwara]

I wouldn't sell my soul for anything..

It wouldn't matter to me if I did. I would find a way out.

[BlackRosePhantom]

I wouldn't sell my soul for anything..

It wouldn't matter to me if I did. I would find a way out.

Go loop-holes!!!:D Sell your soul by a special contract that allows you to keep your werewolf form even if the deal is broken on the part of the soul buier (by saying 'if this happens, then the deal is off"), then have they buier break the deal by some means!!! Aren't loop-holes fun!?:D [added the the last two sentences to stay on topic]

[St_bernard]

This reminds me of Cat People, 1982, where a women transform into black panther when aroused, and back to human after feeding (taking a soul).
In the movie the Cat People, latterday descendants of Africans shamans that were fed soul to transform to humans.

[Philosopher]

I would ask for it and all its benefits and able to force shift(at will) and as long as its controllable would offer my servitude for 1 year with 2 years in between to be 100% free and continue being a werewolf.
By the way according to the cell regenaration rate and the legends that go along with werewolves they don't age they heal like wolverine and they dont die from disease. so on those terms i probably would.

[lupine-bianca]

definately not.
first off, there's no way that I would barter my soul for anything, the Bible and harry potter teach you that nothing good can come of that.
Saecond, it would be painful turning into a werewolf and as cool as it would be to "really be different" and have that power that everyone is looking for, I oculdn't endure being completely seperate from people and knowing that it was my fault, that I was damned and I did it on purpose.
It's like the anne ric ebooks, there's two characters, Louis and lestat. Lestat is forced into vmapirism, it's againt his will that he is made, and he flourishes because he know that it isn't his fault that hes a murderer, but he has to go on. on the other hand, Louis is seduced into vampirism and comes to hate himself because he knows that he is damned and it is his own doing, this results in sucide attempts and being constantly mopey through the entire series.
SO I couldn't accept it, if something was forced on me, things would be different, but i couldn't be dmaned and know it wa smy oen fault an dhave to live through it, it would be so lon chaney jr. Besides, I don't even get to live forever, I just die like everyone else.
Seriously, lycanthropy would suck if it were like that because you would have to turn into a wolf and endure that pain over and ove,r you might kill innocent people or loved ones, you have to go through with it no matter what, and you would still be vulnerable to death, like a normal person.
That would suck, big time
suck
I mean if ugot to live forever that would be loads better, still wouldn't sell my soul, but better
anywho, gotta run
-BRAT!
ps. O, and another thing that just came to my attention as I was reading
back into the reply's, is that by trading my soul, who am I trading it to? why do they want it? and obviously, as always when dealing in souls, there's always, awlays, always a reason, what do they want me to do for them? and its like Galhadrian and blackrosepahntom said, when they take your soul, they take your free will, so you couldn't enjoy the little power that you do have. SO if you took the deal, you'd be screwed because, you go through pain, you have power but it's under another's control and you die eventually, basically you're a big dog on a short leash tied to a very strong tree.
screwed.
sux.
pss. dude~ why the heck would u want to- in-wolf- wha-?

[Hamster_Mommy]

So even if you sold your soul for this power, you would then be the only one and not have a pack to run with of people like you.

Not neccessarily.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Unless you convinced others to do the same.

Overall, I wouldn't recommend it. You're probably gonna end up shot anyway. Or worse. Put in a zoo.

Or there where already others who have done the same.
As for ending up shot or in a zoo, not neccessarily, depending on the werewolfry being contracted for and how it works.

[Hamster_Mommy]

I wouldn't sell my soul for anything..

It wouldn't matter to me if I did. I would find a way out.

Presume for the sake of the question loop-holes are NOT an option in the exchange.

[Hamster_Mommy]

[QUOTE=Philosopher;22 7221]I would ask for it and all its benefits and able to force shift(at will) and as long as its controllable would offer my servitude for 1 year with 2 years in between to be 100% free and continue being a werewolf.
By the way according to the cell regenaration rate and the legends that go along with werewolves they don't age they heal like wolverine and they dont die from disease. so on those terms i probably would.[/QU

Presume the only way you could get the werewolfry would be upon death eternal servitude and suffering, and no alternative options of contract. Then what would your thoughts be to accepting such a deal?

On healing, ageing and other werewolf abilities it varies by legend.

[Philosopher]

If that is the case maybe if i didn't age or die of natural death with all the bonuses a werewolf has(according to legends that make more sense to me this would mean NOT die because of silver) and if at the end of my life servitude meant go back to earth to carry out it would sound like a better deal then before.

[Necro Mortis]

Myself, no. For as much as I wish to be a werewolf call it a stupid fantasy or what not as you may, I would not because I think an eternity of shit is too high of a price for such a state of being only within one's lifetime.
Now, if I could be a werewolf in (and yes I realize it is subjective) a "good" way I'd jump on the chance.


That's a stupid fantasy.

Kidding.

No, I don't think kind of 'selling your soul' would be worth it. I could imagine some people saying yes if it were real, possible or even probable but people do stupid things to get hold of power or at least a self deluded one such as blowing away half of their school with automatic weapons borrowed from grandpa's arsenal.
Such is the way of the world, I suppose.

[---Arawn---]

Well, it only depends by what it would happen when I sold my soul. If I was going to have a eternity of suffering, no. But if was just some kind of curse, like being unable to do something, I would think about it...
But still, probably no :P
I enjoy my freedom too much...

[matias draigh]

I already sold my soul for a dodge viper... :(


Ok but seriously, what if it wasn't selling your soul like your having something taken away but in a different sense. So you would just be under that persons control, not mind control, just having to serve them, do their bidding etc.

Also for me it would be a yes, unless when i transformed i wouldn't rememeber a thing, that would suck sort of like random amnesia. Otherwise i think it would be worth it.

[Lysander]

Just a viper? You should have gotten a Audi Les Mans Quattro.

[matias draigh]

I know thats whats scary.. i didnt ask for a viper :eek:

[IIFerinusII]

Basically sacrificing my soul isn't a big deal because my belief system doesn't belief in souls.

Sorry to go all the way back to the 2nd page, but I haven't been on for a while, but if the parameters were you had to sacrifice your soul in order to become a werewolf, wouldn't that mean your belief was wrong, and since it is a parameter set by a higher being (devil, god, whatever would turn you into a werewolf), would mean that you in fact do have a soul and it would have to be sacrificed?