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UNODRAGONE

08-16-2007, 08:05 AM

Since you are new here, I'll be gentle. First off congratulations on making a post, what puzzles me though is that you were able to not only make this post but realize it belonged in this section yet at the same time you didn't see the other threads already in place about this topic? All jammed packed with information just waiting for you to read!! In any case try reading through a couple of threads in this forum especially the one with the first recorded werewolf, that will catch you up to speed better then what we could tell you. Also check the other thread that poses the same question whether they are real or not. These threads probably have everything you wanted to know and will help you a lot better then any of us can :)

Golden Howl

08-16-2007, 08:15 AM

Well, I just copied what I wrote in another thread.
Here it is:

Actually, I'm not just going to stop by & say that werewolves are real & leave. I've done some research & there are a variety of explantions for both sides.
I should point out that there's a difference between werewolves & Lycanthropy. Lycanthropy is a mental disorder, in which the person thinks that he/she has the ability to transform into a wolf.
Werewolf is the real thing. Ok here we go.

Here are some ways how werewolves are real:

They say that the human wouldn't actually change into a wolf, that instead the human mind/soul
would be transfered into the body of an already existing wolf. And the person's body would lay somewhere unoccuppied.

Here's another explantion: Werewolf is like another form of demon possession. The witch would do a ritual or something & if she/he did it right, then a demon would arrive. The demon would itself take form of a wolf & do all the killing & running around. While the person's body was just helplessly laying somewhere. Anyway when the demon would get injured during its adventure it would transfer the damage directly to the person's body. Once the demon is done the memory is also transfered to the person, making him/her believe that it was them who changed into a wolf.

One other explantion: The person wouldn't really change into a wolf, instead the demon would cast a spell on the person, & outsiders to create an illusion of a wolf. The person thought they were a wolf, & people who saw him saw a wolf too.

Here's some reasons why werewolves don't exist:

It was some sort of disease called Rabies & another called Porphyria that was mistaken for a werewolf way back then. When they compared the symptones of the two diseases to the werewolf beliefs they were extremely similar.

Another explanion: It was just a rare mental illness.

That's all I've got. But I personally believe that werewolves did exist, but now werewolves are probably gone. However I believe that there are a few out there. And the reasons for werewolves nonexistence I certainly believe as well, but not completely, but that would cut down the population of werewolves back then, because according to the people of the past, that there were a lot of those beast roaming around.

I don't know where the first one came from though.

Cheater388

08-16-2007, 08:21 AM

Were-wolfs don't exsist... but werewolves might...

:p

Golden Howl

08-16-2007, 08:28 AM

Were-wolfs don't exsist... but werewolves might...

:p

You just had to, didn't you? *Sighs & shakes head*

UNODRAGONE

08-16-2007, 10:17 AM

Were-wolfs don't exsist... but werewolves might...

:p

damn :banghead: I forgot all about that...hate you for beating me to it ;)

Hamster_Mommy

08-20-2007, 09:44 AM

i want to know all the facts on were-wolfs how they got that way? where the first one came from? where can i find one?

im new at this so any help would be great:confused:

How did werewolves get the way they are:

There are multitudinous variable ways werewolves became werewolves according to legend, as well as from people's present personal belief's regarding the subject, which I think are really too numerous to list save for a sampling:

According to legend some common methods are:

1. wearing a magic article of clothing or jewelry etc.
2. performing a magic ritual, spell, or being cursed
3. being born during a certain time/date etc.
4. consuming human flesh or wolf flesh
5. hereditary werewolfry

..., and the list goes on ...

According to some common present personal belief's:

1. werewolves don't exist
2. werewolves are a huge secret government consipiracy
3. weed smokers and crack addicts are sure to be werewolves
4. one need only be excessively hairy to be a werewolf
5. attention seeking prepubescent youths and middle aged cyber geeks are prone to coming down with werewolfry frequently

..., and again the list goes on ...

Where did the first werewolf come from:

It is a matter of conjecture in legend, and in present personal thoughts.

Many people point to the legend of Zeus and King Lycaon (sp?) as being the first recorded origin of werewolfry.
Another popular origin deduction seems to be quoting passages from various religious texts as proof of werewolfry existance, or origin.

Where can you find a werewolf:

Anywhere. Werewolfry wears many skins and lives in many places.

Things have a way of presenting themself when you looking for them, but not always how you think they might, in closing.

Spirr

08-21-2007, 10:12 PM

Hamster_Mommy

08-22-2007, 04:47 PM

My thought is: Why is it that no one has turned into a gorilla (because they are closest to humans for those who believe so)or a pig (because they have the closest internal (organs and whatnot) design to a human). Also, I find it unbelievable that at least one "p-shifter" has not been curious enough to say anything to anyone else about it.

However: I do believe in some small part of my mind that werewolves do exist, but the possibility that absolutely no one but the supposed werewolves know about it. And if scientist really wanted to find a true werewolf couldn't track one down. And them there's the ever so small chance that one of the scientist isn't a werewolf.

There are legends about werepigs and weregorillas, even were freshwater dolphins hailing from South America called the Boto (if I remember right)! Or werebadgers from Asia!

I believe there are p-shifters who have shared their nature with others.
I also believe that others would know about werewolves who aren't werewolves themselves.

Riaken gow

09-05-2007, 03:18 PM

So you have questions about werewolfs? why not ask me im a lykon a superior werewolf i know you dont beleive but still email me if u got a question

ThrasherCub

09-05-2007, 05:39 PM

Sure, Mr. Werewolf, since I actually know about magick and the possibility of shifting.

Do tell how you personally attract the energy required to make the body of light dense enough to be effectively physical on malkuth of assiah.

Hamster_Mommy

09-06-2007, 05:28 AM

So you have questions about werewolfs? why not ask me im a lykon a superior werewolf i know you dont beleive but still email me if u got a question

Your obviously not superior in intellect,... apparently being a superior "Lykon" isn't everything now is it?!

Riaken gow

09-06-2007, 01:42 PM

ThrasherCub

09-06-2007, 03:08 PM

Answer my question. It'll keep you from looking like you're making up a load of crap.

So really, I'm doing you a favor in offering you a way to prove you're not making this up. Unless of course you are....

:cool:

Hamster_Mommy

09-07-2007, 12:06 AM

Sorry about that last post what i meant to say was if you have a question about were-wolfs/lykons just ask me. And on that note does any werewolf here remeber the great war?.. because i do in very sharp detail.

Yeah, I remember the "great war", the one where you tried to win some brain cells, but lost terribly...

Too bad you lost, otherwise you might now devise something better to post about besides attention seeking crap.

Hamster_Mommy

09-07-2007, 12:37 AM

Lol yeah well i didnt mean for it to come out like that i wrote that at school but if you must know i was born under a winter solsctice i have the golden ring and the sacred bite. I should re-write that post dont you think?.

Above, a PM I recieved from: B]Riaken Gow[/B].

Golden ring - they make cremes for that ya know.

Sacred bite - too bad it missed tearing out your throat, now another attention starved, poser werewolf dumbass is unleashed upon the world to desecrate werewolfry further.

Rewrite your post? - God no! Haven't we suffered enough!

Winter Solstice - I can see where someone would want to put you on ice.

ThrasherCub

09-07-2007, 12:44 AM

Ok ill answer i changed due to a full moon and i was in a panic state due to the fact i just got attacked 1 min prior i dunno what it was i got blind sided, But due to the full moon and me being under attack i changed my muscles grew bigger i could feel hairs pricking through my skin and my teeth getting longer and longer.

I enjoy how he completely ignored my statements.

Full moon - Does nothing on it's own, and cannot be used to charge one with energy.
Panic - Will make shifting (or anything else metaphysical) more difficult.

Also, that's not how the body of transformation feels, since it's not a change to what is generally considered your body.

Riaken Gow...

http://emoto.smugmug.com/photos/76726605-S.jpg

Necro Mortis

09-07-2007, 04:56 AM

You just had to, didn't you? *Sighs & shakes head*

Don't you DARE spread that FILTH!
LARPing?!
You make me sick...

Riaken gow

09-07-2007, 01:29 PM

You want to know what your a fucking douche bag who think they know everything so you know what i dont give a fuck about you i know what happend you werent there for all i know your probaly a librarian in case you dont know what that means its someone who researches on werewolfs lykons vamps. thrasher.

ThrasherCub

09-07-2007, 01:43 PM

You want to know what your a fucking douche bag who think they know everything
"You're a fucking douche bag." The correct spelling for this use is "you're."

Now, where did I say I know everything? Was it when I asked a question using correct terminology or when I pointed out the errors in your statement?

The very best part is that my first post to you was really quite friendly. I was hoping we could get a dialog going.

i dont give a fuck about you
Psychology dictates otherwise. If you do not care, why do you reply? Passionately, I might add.

i know what happend you werent there
Correct. I wasn't there. None of us were. Therefore you must either provide proof of what occurred or show sufficient logic that it somewhat equates to proof.

your probaly a librarian in case you dont know what that means its someone who researches on werewolfs lykons vamps.
Actually I'm a magician. That means I don't just study it, but apply it.

Now, if you're done throwing your tantrum, you should either shut up about things you know nothing about or answer my question, preferably using correct terminology.

So, how do you draw the energy down to Malkuth of Assiah?

Canis Lupus

09-07-2007, 01:50 PM

Riakon Gow, a librarian is somebody who works in a library. Makes perfect sense, no?

You, on the other hand, don't make any sense to me.
Judging by your bad spelling and behavior, I'd say you're in the age range of 11-14. You'll probably treathen to rip open my throat and kill my children for saying this. Too bad I don't have any children. I'd love to see you try.

There are those people called psychologists. They can help you with your mental problem.

Heck, I'm mentally disabled and I don't behave like this. (No, seriously, I am.)

UNODRAGONE

09-07-2007, 02:04 PM

"You're a fucking douche bag." The correct spelling for this use is "you're."

Now, where did I say I know everything? Was it when I asked a question using correct terminology or when I pointed out the errors in your statement?

The very best part is that my first post to you was really quite friendly. I was hoping we could get a dialog going.

Psychology dictates otherwise. If you do not care, why do you reply? Passionately, I might add.

Correct. I wasn't there. None of us were. Therefore you must either provide proof of what occurred or show sufficient logic that it somewhat equates to proof.

Actually I'm a magician. That means I don't just study it, but apply it.

Now, if you're done throwing your tantrum, you should either shut up about things you know nothing about or answer my question, preferably using correct terminology.

So, how do you draw the energy down to Malkuth of Assiah?

Though I am not sure what Riakon Gow meant by his post, re-reading yours, you did come off a bit sarcastic so I am not sure how that was suppose to be read as quite friendly

ThrasherCub

09-07-2007, 03:32 PM

I genuinely wished to know how he was able to draw the energy in sufficient quantities to make the body of light "physical" on malkuth of assiah.

I've always sucked at that.

Also, if you've ever tried to talk about magick with someone who knows nothing about it, it is one of the most irritating things ever. Reading some of the things people say.. Ugh, it just makes you feel like your very brain has turned into one big, infected, ingrown toe-nail. It is that unpleasant.

Generally when speaking on a topic like this, finding someone who actually knows about magick and the possibility of shifting is a source of relief. No BS or pointlessly talking in circles as you accomplish nothing.

West

09-07-2007, 03:46 PM

:eek:

09-07-2007, 04:12 PM

Sorry about that last post what i meant to say was if you have a question about were-wolfs/lykons just ask me. And on that note does any werewolf here remeber the great war?.. because i do in very sharp detail.I didn't know they had the internets ".....in a forest." Please go away and leave our site alone, you person in need of serious psychiatric evaluation, you.

Also, when did "lykons" join up with the "magyk/majick/magyeick/magjyicke" crowd? COOL SPELLINGS FTW!!!!1

Edit: Oh man, I just saw the "librarian" reference! <3 Librarians (http://www.jephdraw.com/random/libraryscience.png)!

ThrasherCub

09-07-2007, 04:24 PM

Also, when did "lykons" join up with the "magyk/majick/magyeick/magjyicke" crowd?

Shortly after the great war, of course. They talk about it in the Silver Ravenwolf book, "To Verb a Fluffy Noun"

Pickle Tickler

09-07-2007, 05:26 PM

Canis Lupus

09-08-2007, 05:18 AM

Shortly after the great war, of course. They talk about it in the Silver Ravenwolf book, "To Verb a Fluffy Noun"

What great war are you guys talking about?
Seriously, stop talking about made-up wars.
There's REAL wars going on out there, and they're not a fantasy or a joke.

John 677808

09-08-2007, 07:35 AM

What great war are you guys talking about?
Seriously, stop talking about made-up wars.
There's REAL wars going on out there, and they're not a fantasy or a joke.

They are talking about this similar sort of war that takes place in underworld.

When the moon comes out, these pack's of emo 13 year old's drawn to the power of the moon, change into were beasts. Then wage war with the vampires in underground crypts and deserted neighbourhood's. lol

Kat-chan

09-08-2007, 11:15 AM

Raiken gow,

Listen. Do you wonder why people here don't believe you? Its the validity of your story.

There is none.

Other than telling us your story, in which Thrashercub found several faults, and tried to discuss a "Great War" which none of us but you seem to know about, you've given us nothing to make us change our minds and go "WHOOPS! Mah bad. You were right. Here, have a cookie".

In short, evidence please.

Something that is spelled right, and is valid. Like many have asked on the other thread, Pictures, Video, SOMETHING other than, "I can shift physically" and when someone disproves what you were saying because they actually know something on the subject, you go to insulting them.

So. Please. Asking nicely here. Give something to suggest that your story is true, so that we'll be able to believe you at all, instead of thinking you're an attention grabber.

Seriously people, I'm a skeptic. I'm not utterly convinced that they don't exsist, thats why I try not to bash people about their saying that they're a werewolf, but if its disproven, I won't freak out and scream at the top of my lungs that its all true. Honestly, I like to believe that there is something like werewolves out there, and that it can be proven. You just need the proof for everyone else. :3

LordNexthor

09-10-2007, 03:13 PM

Interesting, i went out of this site a several months and the same battles still rages on. Do werewolves exist or not exist? Sounds like dilemma about what is reality and what is fantasy. Anyway, I post my theoy some time ago about a werewolf could be. I won't write again. i will leave to you as a homework. But there is something that i want to share to you all, belivers and non-belivers and make yur own conclussions. Here is the link to see: http://www.michigan-dogman.com/gablefilm.html

And in case you can't see try this one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-ByGk3bt4w

or simply go to youtube and in search type Gable film. That's it. Enjoy it.

specopssoldier

09-10-2007, 03:35 PM

well, seems like same kind of tactics like the blair witch project to me....not that it wasnt scary though... it was great:D

fuzzalemur0

09-10-2007, 04:05 PM

http://www.michigan-dogman.com/sightings-antrim.html

Lysander

09-10-2007, 04:27 PM

I know the guy was fearing for his life, but damn what was the point of filming if you are going to shake the damn camara so much.

specopssoldier

09-10-2007, 04:41 PM

well....believe me when you run for your life you dont even look over your shoulder you just run like a madman by the adrenaline...

let alone to stop and turn around....

but good entertainment though..
but im getting offtopic...
so ill quit posting guys;)

Rele WT

09-10-2007, 04:51 PM

It didn't look like it ran that fast to me, it looked a bit more like they took a few pictures and put them together. On Windows Movie Maker I can make image quality look like that. Also, someone could have had that camera. It was probably somekid in a wolf costume. I guess it could be real, but it looked fake to me. The article fuzzalemur0 posted looks even more fake than the video.

Tempest

09-10-2007, 05:02 PM

I'm always skeptical to see these videos portraying "legends". Usually they are done in extremely poor quality so you can't really tell what anything is. The camera always shakes an ungodly amount making it even harder to tell.

There are several things that make me question the validity of this video. First off, why would you get out of the safety of your vehicle if you saw a strange, carnivorous beast wandering around out there? Personally, I'd drive away as fast as possible. Or film from my car. Either one makes more sense than getting out. Second, why was he filming in the first place? Do normal people video tape car rides as they bounce the camera around annoyingly? Third, as specopssoldier pointed out, you would NEVER look over your shoulder or stop like that guy did.
These 3 things make me think this is a hoax. It was a good watch, especially if you took logic and threw it down the drain. But watching it with a clear, logical, skeptic mind.... no.
I'd love it if werewolves were real. But the only evidence I'm likely to believe 100% is if you come to my house and shift in front of me. Video tapes and photos are easily manipulated. And those photos that were on the link fuzzalemur0 provided? Lame. So so fake. Look at the paw on the last picture. Does that look real to you? No it looks like some fake paw with a lame attempt at "fur" surrounding it.

Thanks for playing, you lose.

fuzzalemur0

09-10-2007, 06:02 PM

I think i would have to agree with Tempest on this one. I only provided the link to show the website... and in a way, prove the creature was fake. Also Tempest, even though i agree with you this movie was made a while ago and in a car the camera would be bumpy and when he was outside (which was pointless) he was probably scared. just my thoughts

Tempest

09-10-2007, 06:12 PM

this movie was made a while ago

You sure of that? You can buy vintage cameras that still work.

fuzzalemur0

09-10-2007, 06:49 PM

That is true but whoever made the film did there homework...

Rele WT

09-10-2007, 06:54 PM

Well they'd want people to believe it. So yeah, they'd do their home work on it.

MorganaFang

09-10-2007, 07:05 PM

That is true but whoever made the film did there homework...

On horror films. Theres a lot of tells, like the music and text which is obnoxious if you're looking at the video from a researcher's perspective.

Also how the camera guy just happens to get "attacked" right when we were going to get a better view of what the beast looks like.

Lysander

09-10-2007, 07:43 PM

You are right.. could have been made by anyone with vintage camera, vintage cars, or Adobe Premier.

Riaken gow

09-11-2007, 01:55 PM

Ok , i really don't care if yall dont belive me ok i dont know how I changd it was not a really big change if it was. I got attacked right and i was scared and pissed off. And suddenly i felt this great surge of energy come over me like I was being re-born anew and yes the moon was out. But anyways onto the war im surprised really none of you don't know this. I dont think any on either sides botherd to keep records but anyways. So years ago a really long time ago a war raged between vampires and werewolfs. it was right after the lykon rebellion I remeber only the beggining for I was killed by a best friend, his name was lyzandre. But anyways I was on the front of a giant field, boulders the size of houses flying over knockind down rows of vamp-decent creatures. My friend lyzandre rushed by me shouting his war cry (hes a werewolf if you havent figured it out so far). My friend xavier was just standing beside me with a look of satisfaction of the utter chaos we was in. I think we were losing at this point becuase I remeber him breaking down one the wooden barricades with his great axe. Then I guess I got blacked out beacuse i remember waking up in front of a were/man who had Golden markings on and around his face. And my friend lyzandre was standing beside him. I cast a glance his way he turned away from me. I knew I was in trouble then the were/man said "execute him" "for he has failed us". And i remeber looking up for the last time and seeing a hazy outline of my freinds face and then darkness. Now how ever long its been ive awoken in a teenagers body and I've met lyzandre xavier and even a phoniex just 2yrs ago. They have different accounts on this story but I can give you their emails if you need them becuase one doesnt have a phone or computer and the other one is never home. Some other things happend but I might repost thim becuase they seem unneccsary atm.

Lysander

09-11-2007, 02:17 PM

my dream last night was more coherent than that absolute trash you,ve been feeding yourself and attempting to feed us. I think you need some real friends outside the internet.

Tempest

09-11-2007, 02:36 PM

But anyways onto the war im surprised really none of you don't know this.

None of us don't know this? Don't they teach you about double negatives in school?

I dont think any on either sides botherd to keep records but anyways. So years ago a really long time ago a war raged between vampires and werewolfs.

You know what happened to you? You watched the movie Underworld and got confused between fantasy and reality. Or maybe too many Werewolf: the Apocalypse games hmm?

it was right after the lykon rebellion I remeber only the beggining for I was killed by a best friend, his name was lyzandre. But anyways I was on the front of a giant field, boulders the size of houses flying over knockind down rows of vamp-decent creatures. My friend lyzandre rushed by me shouting his war cry (hes a werewolf if you havent figured it out so far). My friend xavier was just standing beside me with a look of satisfaction of the utter chaos we was in. I think we were losing at this point becuase I remeber him breaking down one the wooden barricades with his great axe. Then I guess I got blacked out beacuse i remember waking up in front of a were/man who had Golden markings on and around his face. And my friend lyzandre was standing beside him. I cast a glance his way he turned away from me. I knew I was in trouble then the were/man said "execute him" "for he has failed us". And i remeber looking up for the last time and seeing a hazy outline of my freinds face and then darkness.

Nice story, but it didn't happen.

Now how ever long its been ive awoken in a teenagers body and I've met lyzandre xavier and even a phoniex just 2yrs ago.

Oh god. More delusional teenagers. These are your RPG buddies am I right (No offense to those people who RP who can distinguish reality from fantasy...I'm one)?

They have different accounts on this story but I can give you their emails if you need them becuase one doesnt have a phone or computer and the other one is never home.

Yeah first off, good idea. Let's offer our friend's e-mails to any psycho who asks for them. Second of all, how convenient, they are never at home/don't have a computer? Lol... So when they don't reply you'll just say "oh well he's never at home sorry". Or maybe they're actually YOUR accounts? And you're going to reply to our e-mails as "Lysander/Xavier"? Riiiiight.

Some other things happend but I might repost thim becuase they seem unneccsary atm.

Oh please do post them. I'm getting a lot of entertainment from reading about your "past life". And why WOULDN'T you post them? Have to think of them first? You supposedly don't care if we believe you or not but you seem so intent on throwing us enough "evidence" that we'd start to believe you.

In short: grow up, get a life, and seek psychiatric evaluation.

MorganaFang

09-11-2007, 02:39 PM

It's that time again.

Ok , i really don't care if yall dont belive me

You must because here you are going to go into a rather hole filled explanation with a lot of "I don't knows or I dont't thinks"

Word of advise, if you really are unsure of anything don't post that up there. Leave them guessing if you must, some people may actually be gullible enough to believe yous others are just going to pick you apart.

And so we proceed.

ok i dont know how I changd it was not a really big change if it was. I got attacked right and i was scared and pissed off. And suddenly i felt this great surge of energy come over me like I was being re-born anew and yes the moon was out.

Attacked by who? Why? How? maybe even when and where? If you're going to go about "relaying an experience" then you need to address those questions. It can't all just be up in the air if you want logical minded people to take you seriously.

But anyways onto the war im surprised really none of you don't know this. I dont think any on either sides bothered to keep records but anyways.
That's convenient.

So years ago a really long time ago a war raged between vampires and werewolfs.

Oh yes, naturally. But really how long ago? 20 years ago? 5? maybe 400?

it was right after the lykon rebellion I remember only the beginning for I was killed by a best friend, his name was lyzandre.
Ooooh you were reborn... So wait, when was the Lykon rebellion?

But anyways I was on the front of a giant field, boulders the size of houses flying over knocking[b] down rows of vamp-decent creatures.
How were boulders that big flying? What caused that? And what the hell is a vamp-decent?

Now how ever long its been [b]I've awoken in a teenagers body and I've met lyzandre, xavier and even a phoniex just 2yrs ago. They have different accounts on this story but I can give you their emails if you need them because one doesn't have a phone or computer and the other one is never home. Some other things happened but I might repost them because they seem unnecessary, at the moment.

Ok obviously I omitted a good portion of the rest of the story because I got tired of correcting spelling errors and in reality all of that read like a science fiction novel written by a sixteen year old boy. This part though is just golden.

First, you awoke in a teenage body? Just that? you weren't born through human parents or anything and had a childhood? Well shucks. Do you think you'll grow into an adult. Oh wait a minute, does this mean you're no longer a shifting werewolf? If you are still then how?

I did not correct it in the quote but I wanted to ask you if your friend's name is really spelled "phoniex?" because if it's suppose to be like the bird it's phoenix .

If your friends have different versions of the story to yours how do you know they are not lying? Or messing with you? Have you met them in person?

If they're unnecessary and only further make your "experience" sound like a piece of fiction then I would not repost them. You'll get jeered and laughed at more then you are right now, especially with the "reborn as a teenage boy" thing. I mean seriously, think about that!

You can make up any delusion of occult specialness to get through how stupid High School can be all you want but, man, think about the consequences of trying to relay that as fact. Prepare for the rest of your life to be just as shitty as high school when you keep telling people that shit.

Rele WT

09-11-2007, 05:39 PM

I want to write a fun story too!

Yeah, there are a good many things that don't work out quite right in that story. Or maybe it does make perfect sense and I just can't tell because of all the grammar mistakes. I don't know about you, but I can hardly read things like that.

*has a lot of time on her hands*
Let us see if it is the grammars fault.

Ok, I really don't care if you all don’t believe me. I changed it was not a really big change. I got attacked by a ____ and I was scared and angry. Suddenly I felt this great surge of energy come over me like I was being re-born anew and the moon was out. But anyways onto the war I’m surprised really none of you know this. I don’t think any on either side bothered to keep records but though. So, years ago, a really long time ago, a war raged between vampires and werewolves. It was right after the lykon rebellion I remember only the beginning for I was killed by a best friend, his name was Lyzandre. But anyways I was on the front of a giant field, boulders the size of houses flying over knocking down rows of vampire descended creatures. My friend Lyzandre rushed by me shouting his war cry (he’s a werewolf if you haven’t figured it out so far), and my friend Xavier was just standing beside me with a look of satisfaction of the utter chaos we were in. I think we were losing at this point because I remember him breaking down one the wooden barricades with his great axe. Then I guess I got knocked out because I remember waking up in front of a werewolf/man who had golden markings on and around his face. And my friend Lyzandre was standing beside him. I cast a glance his way he turned away from me. I knew I was in trouble then the werewolf/man said "execute him, for he has failed us." I remember looking up for the last time and seeing a hazy outline of my friends face and then darkness. Now, however long it’s been, I’ve awoken in a teenager’s body and I've met Lyzandre, Xavier, and even a phoenix just 2 years ago. They have different accounts on this story but I can give you their emails if you need them. Although one doesn’t have a phone or computer and the other one is never home. Some other things happened but I may or may not post them because they seem unnecessary at the moment.

Nope, it didn't help...

Sorry Riaken, but I don't believe you.

punxnotdead

09-11-2007, 06:52 PM

How old are you? You should be posting this in the stories section and watching too many movies or playing too many video games. Do you even believe what you're telling us; what you're telling yourself? I'd go for some Physiological help if I were you.

Gilenea

09-11-2007, 08:19 PM

Ever run into someone named Blakyra? She was a tough one...

Gil

ThrasherCub

09-11-2007, 09:36 PM

*raises hand*

Why was his reaction to make his story make less sense and be harder to believe.

Don't non-retarded people usually make their stories more believable when they want to be believed?

WareW-Believer

09-11-2007, 09:46 PM

Don't non-retarded people usually make their stories more believable when they want to be believed?
No.

Though upon more thought: it may be a certain audience the said "non-retarded" peoples are trying to convince. Like.... cookies, or me, or something.

lupine-bianca

09-12-2007, 08:38 AM

Oh hey look!
It's Underworld as told by a werewolf.com member.

Seriously guys, I you want to say stuff like that that's fine, but if you don't want to get told off by every single annoyed person on this site who KNOWS you're propbably just some thirteen yearold making up this stuff cuz you desprately want to be different from everyone else in what you think is a plain and regular life. When you mature a little, you might realize that everyone's life has some beauty in it and it's not about "what you are' that makes you special, it's what you do and how you act. Trying to be indavidual by lying about being a lycanthrope is kind of stupid because every other thirteen-year-old-craving-attention is doing it too.
So If you guys want to make up stories, or seriously believe that you are a reincarnated lycanthrope (I commend you're creativity because I've only heard lycanthrope, never reincarnated), that's fine. But please, do it on the LARP section. I mean, who am I to say if mythalogical creatures are real or not, so I can't prove you guys wrong. But you have to understand that so many people claim that that the other members get tired of hearing it so often, that's why they tell everyone off.
I mean to offend no one, only trying to lay out the truth.
hope no one's butt hurt,
-Brat

Riaken gow

09-13-2007, 08:42 AM

Well congratulations you caught me lied heres a cookie =) i was trying to get some shit started on here my bad. Just testing the waters =) sorry if pissed anyone off. My bad

Tempest

09-13-2007, 01:05 PM

Well congratulations you caught me lied heres a cookie =) i was trying to get some shit started on here my bad. Just testing the waters =) sorry if pissed anyone off. My bad

:rolleyes:

Another facepalm moment brought to you by the noobs at ww.com!

Riaken gow

09-13-2007, 01:27 PM

Whats that supposed to mean?. Oh im 16 by the way..

Tempest

09-13-2007, 01:58 PM

Whats that supposed to mean?. Oh im 16 by the way..

It means, sir, that you are an idiot.

Riaken gow

09-13-2007, 02:03 PM

What ever, all i did was play a joke you all are the ones that got worked up overe it not me =) when you point a finger at someone there's 3 pointing back at you =)

John 677808

09-13-2007, 02:05 PM

Well congratulations you caught me lied heres a cookie =) i was trying to get some shit started on here my bad. Just testing the waters =) sorry if pissed anyone off. My bad

Why turn back on your claim now, you had us all convinced, I'd say.

Tempest

09-13-2007, 02:08 PM

What ever, all i did was play a joke you all are the ones that got worked up overe it not me =) when you point a finger at someone there's 3 pointing back at you =)

Oh really? Was it a joke or did you just not know how to support your beliefs? Regardless, it was a pretty moronic move since anyone who has read this thread probably thinks less of you because of it. I know I do. And if you think you're the first to throw this bs out there and then say "oh it's a joke" you're quite wrong. Although most tend to mysteriously disappear after being flamed by 30 people.

Riaken gow

09-13-2007, 03:08 PM

yeah well people on here tend to take jokes in the wrong way take me for example i got like friggin dog piled by like 100 people..even though it was a joke. Oh and me comlpetely dissapering like some do thats not gonna happen i actually sort of like this site.

ThrasherCub

09-13-2007, 04:16 PM

That is one of the dumbest things I've ever heard.

I'm also pretty sure that most people stop saying the three fingers pointing back at you think by the time they begin puberty.

Golden Howl

09-13-2007, 05:46 PM

Did I really just waste my time reading all that? :mad: GREAT JOKE!!! Should I start laughing now?
HA HA HA HA It's so funny, because it just stole minutes from my time. :mad:

Gilenea

09-13-2007, 05:54 PM

I'm pretty sure you're not joking, considering you spent a while talking to Lysander about this... Where he played along, and you just dug your hole deeper and deeper. No, you're not joking. You're just pathetic.

LH, can we do something about this?

Gil

Pickle Tickler

09-13-2007, 06:09 PM

Seems as if we've caught you in yet another lie, Riaken. Eh, eh?

lupine-bianca

09-13-2007, 06:47 PM

Oh, there's fingers pointing alright, but it's not the pointer finger, and it's not at us.
And thank you for the thanks, by the way guys. ;p

Anyway, to Gil, yeah it's annoying, but if the annoying thirteen-years-olds didn't do that and then mature and learn from their mistakes, the site wouldn't expand much and then we'd just have the same people. (not that I don't like everyone here, but we do want more people on the site).
Anwho, I'm not discouraging creativity by any means, you can do all the role-playing you want-in the LARP section (as previously stated).
I won't say much about Riaken's lame it-was-all-a-joke excuse except that is what lame. If you're going to say something that you know will make everyone dog-pile you, at least stick to it when they do dog-pile you. Because now, not only does everyone think you're an attention-grabbing 13-year-old (sixteen, same thing), you're a lying, lame-excuse/joke making attention grabbing thirteen year old who got butthurt when people told him to take it to the LARP section ect.
Now onto a more pleasant subject, the subject that this thread was based on.
I believe that werewolves are real in mythology and the literature and films that we see them in. I'm not saying that they couldn't be real in life, but it seems quite unlikely. I do have a close friend who says that evereything written in a story or seen in a dream is really happening, or has happened in another dimension. The idea, i think, is quite insane, yet quite brilliant at the same time. :D
Thanks for listening,
-Brat

peanut4

09-14-2007, 12:49 PM

Rele WT

09-14-2007, 12:54 PM

Um, okaaaaay then...

Lysander

09-14-2007, 01:14 PM

You and 'your kind' if you were real wouldnt be advertising yourselves on the internet.

For your own good, take this to LARP or get off the site.

Necro Mortis

09-14-2007, 01:28 PM

Rele WT

09-14-2007, 01:36 PM

Not a day goes by on WW.com that this arguement doesn't come up... :)

John 677808

09-14-2007, 04:30 PM

Not a day goes by on WW.com that this arguement doesn't come up... :)

Not true, I am sure I looked at this site one day this week and nothing was going down with the werethinkers.

Layira Aura

09-14-2007, 04:40 PM

Not true, I am sure I looked at this site one day this week and nothing was going down with the werethinkers.

Eek! :eek: That must be a record! A whole DAY where no one posted anything stupid about being a were! :eek:

Pickle Tickler

09-14-2007, 06:09 PM

Tempest

09-14-2007, 06:58 PM

Werewolves do exist and here are some facts ; they do exist, they dont need the moon to change(actually they only need it the very first time), and they look perfectlly normal. thats all i can really tell you though i fear that i told too much about myself and others of my kind. :eek:

You know, you people obviously do not read the threads you post in, just the titles. Because if you DID read the threads, you would see that we literally just got done tearing someone apart for saying essentially the same thing you just did. And I'm pretty sure that should fend off tr00 w3r3s for at LEAST two days.

I'm beginning to wonder if the lot of you can even read.

Pickle Tickler

09-14-2007, 07:03 PM

Tempest, they have about four brain cells, if that.

One for eating, one for drinking, one for sleeping, and one for defecating. And then later they sprout growths that become new tr00 w3r3's like the parent.

Rele WT

09-15-2007, 05:53 PM

Tempest, they have about four brain cells

Is that why it's peanut4 then?

Pickle Tickler

09-15-2007, 06:51 PM

Good call.

Layira Aura

09-15-2007, 08:20 PM

Is that why it's peanut4 then?

Most likely, yes. And it's "peanut" because that's what size his/her brain would be....if s/he had one, that is. Actually, I don't even know if it'd be THAT big...maybe I'm being generous.

lupine-bianca

09-16-2007, 01:01 AM

Tsuki Aikoka

09-24-2007, 08:03 AM

hmmm. so, what is the point of this site? just a buncha nerds that like talkin bout stuff they know is fake? ha ha, so i wasnt the only werewolf obsessed 13 year old,,sure am glad i grew up. :eek: i think young ppl like myself want to feel different so we pretend that we are special. after looking it over ive all but forgotten the possibiltties of werewolves existing.

ThrasherCub

09-24-2007, 08:22 AM

Actually it's assorted people discussing topics from all genres, not nerds talking about werewolves.

You lose.

UNODRAGONE

09-24-2007, 08:35 AM

Actually it's assorted people discussing topics from all genres, not nerds talking about werewolves.

You lose.

technically you lose :

nerd /nɜrd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nurd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang. 1. a stupid, irritating, ineffectual, or unattractive person.
2. an intelligent but single-minded person obsessed with a nonsocial hobby or pursuit: a computer nerd.

ThrasherCub

09-24-2007, 08:46 AM

I disagree.

I fail to see how the members who are not single-minded or obsessed with nonsocial hobbies, which seem to be the majority of the active members here, are nerds.

You quoted the dictionary despite the fact that the definition does not describe us. You both lose.

UNODRAGONE

09-24-2007, 08:52 AM

videogamefreak

09-24-2007, 10:33 AM

they are real i know it.havent seen one yet but something tells me there out there watching you waiting

Gilenea

09-24-2007, 02:48 PM

Oh, sweet Jesus.

I'm being watched by a fictional creature. I'm shaking in my little boots.

Gil

Tempest

09-24-2007, 05:27 PM

technically you lose :

nerd /nɜrd/ Pronunciation Key - Show Spelled Pronunciation[nurd] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation
–noun Slang. 1. a stupid, irritating, ineffectual, or unattractive person.
2. an intelligent but single-minded person obsessed with a nonsocial hobby or pursuit: a computer nerd.

I'm so happy that you can use an online dictionary. And well, I have to agree with ThrasherCub. For two reasons. First, there are a ton of people here who definately are not intelligent. Second, many of us have an actual social life, and are not obsessed with werewolves. Those that are usually are the tr00 w3r3s and they leave within 1 month of their arrival.
I fail to see what you were trying to accomplish by using copy-paste.

PS - I think you are misunderstanding the word "obsession". No we are not all obsessed with something. Here let me look it up for you and use copy-paste so YOU don't have to.

obsession

noun
1. an irrational motive for performing trivial or repetitive actions, even against your will; "her compulsion to wash her hands repeatedly" [syn: compulsion]
2. an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone

Rele WT

09-24-2007, 05:27 PM

Eeeew, stalker werewolves? Gross! Do they sneak in your house and eat your dog food too?

ThrasherCub

09-24-2007, 06:12 PM

obsession

noun
1. an irrational motive for performing trivial or repetitive actions, even against your will; "her compulsion to wash her hands repeatedly" [syn: compulsion]
2. an unhealthy and compulsive preoccupation with something or someone
Tempest wins.

You both still lose.

Seriously, the dictionary thing is a great way to get your point across, but only if you're right. Otherwise it looks like you're quoting what you haven't read.

UNODRAGONE

09-25-2007, 06:25 AM

Tempest wins.

You both still lose.

Seriously, the dictionary thing is a great way to get your point across, but only if you're right. Otherwise it looks like you're quoting what you haven't read.

I still don't see where I am wrong and I still believe people can be obsessed with something in their life but hey thats your opinion :shrug: I respect Temps opinions and leave it at that :)

John 677808

09-25-2007, 06:36 AM

Poison_Black

09-25-2007, 06:44 AM

I don't know....
I likey Wolfies :D

but, I must witness before I must say yes to this question

Tsuki Aikoka

09-25-2007, 06:53 AM

ha ha, i was joking...u guys aren't nerds (i dont think) ha, of course looking the word up in the dictionary didnt convince me you werent. lol. what the heck was that about?

and common spammer? i dont even know what that means...how do u "spam?" oooo one of u nerds teach me please!!!

UNODRAGONE

09-25-2007, 07:11 AM

ThrasherCub

09-25-2007, 08:35 AM

and common spammer? i dont even know what that means...
It means go away or stop being annoying.

Lysander

09-25-2007, 10:27 AM

Morons... If you are going to 'joke' and be sarcastic, say so in the samethread or make it absurdly obvious so it doesnt look like a half-assed attempt to CYA when people call you on your bullshit.

Also, this thead by its very nature is going to bring out people who believe they are werewolves, so telling them to shut up is mute. If you dont want to listen to these people then stay out of threads lik these.

ThrasherCub

09-25-2007, 11:24 AM

We only want "Lol, I beleev in teh tr00 w3r3z." people to shut up.

I feel the need to remind everyone that I believe in the possibility of werecreatures.

Canis Lupus

09-25-2007, 01:19 PM

I don't know....
I likey Wolfies :D

but, I must witness before I must say yes to this question

Answer: No
For you will never see one.

MorganaFang

09-25-2007, 01:45 PM

Wow, that mede less sense than me early in the morning. And that's quite a feat.

Wait, are you saying you actually saw one?
Share your wisdom with us, oh great Idiot! Our sage!

Er no they're saying they need to see one first before they have a definite answer.

Canis Lupus

09-26-2007, 01:41 AM

Don't blame me, blame terrible grammar and a bad day at school.

Tempest

09-26-2007, 02:28 PM

I respect Temps opinions and leave it at that :)

Who is Temps?

I must say that at least that's closer to my name than Temptress (as I've been called a couple of times).

I'd also like to point out that what I posted wasn't an opinion. Dictionary = fact, not opinion. Ask any psychologist what an obsession is, they will tell you exactly what I posted.

UNODRAGONE

09-27-2007, 06:44 AM

Who is Temps?

I must say that at least that's closer to my name than Temptress (as I've been called a couple of times).

I'd also like to point out that what I posted wasn't an opinion. Dictionary = fact, not opinion. Ask any psychologist what an obsession is, they will tell you exactly what I posted.

My apologies Tempest.

I actually take classes for Psychology and Human services and your right that is the definition, for clinical OCD, but in everyday terms, when I say to someone, "your obsessed with him" I'm not speaking of clinical OCD.

Tempest

09-27-2007, 02:34 PM

Ok so you believe that everyone is obsessed with something based on the "everyday" definition. I can accept that.

My bad for assuming we were throwing out dictionary definitions because we wanted to use the intellectual, CORRECT meanings of terms.

_Fera_

10-08-2007, 12:03 PM

i want to know all the facts on were-wolfs how they got that way? where the first one came from? where can i find one?

im new at this so any help would be great:confused:

If you want to find the oldest female werewolf then look no further then me.
We came from our own spirit world. A world we have lived in since before the start of earth.

I have to go, the bell is ringing to go to class. Is hall continue this later on at home.

Tempest

10-08-2007, 01:19 PM

If you want to find the oldest female werewolf then look no further then me.
We came from our own spirit world. A world we have lived in since before the start of earth.

I have to go, the bell is ringing to go to class. Is hall continue this later on at home.

Lmao so you're the oldest female werewolf but apparently you are still in school? Nice. You guys have a special place in my heart for making me laugh so hard. Love ya!

Pickle Tickler

10-08-2007, 05:52 PM

We came from our own spirit world. A world we have lived in since before the start of earth.

I have to go, the bell is ringing to go to class. Is hall continue this later on at home.

Then why are you on here? Seriously, I would think that if you left your own world behind BEFORE Earth, putting you around 4+ billion years old, you would be smart enough to know not to go around talking about it to everybody, even if you think that no one would believe it. It's called a fanatic hunter, and people like them like killing people like you.

Canis Lupus

10-11-2007, 01:38 PM

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 02:24 PM

If you want to find the oldest female werewolf then look no further then me.
We came from our own spirit world. A world we have lived in since before the start of earth.

I have to go, the bell is ringing to go to class. Is hall continue this later on at home.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/ThrasherCub/Bashing/1191077953563.jpg

John 677808

10-11-2007, 02:56 PM

4490

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 06:59 PM

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 07:06 PM

Wow, someone did his homework. Good job!

That does not mean that Physical Shape shifting is not possible, I think any thing is possible.
My thoughts exactly. The problem is mostly that people decide that real shifting is somehow connected to things from legends.

Shifting might be real, but it sure as hell isn't like in the old werewolf myths.

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 09:32 PM

Well, it might be like legend but who really knows? So many people claim, it not being possible but what information is this based upon? Theres no way to tell. Its the same with the bible, Zohar, the Torah, etc. You cannot base there accuracy, they are story. Now you can base your views off of personal experience. I might be like legend, but some od legend I find to be misleading. Like the ointment, that might make you think your a werewolf, but thats it. But the incantations, why not? Can anyone here disprove magick? I am guessing not, many have tried. How about the berserker's, they where said to be able to shape shift, physically, and mentally. I am a firm believer that anything is possible. Look at how far we have came in the past 50 years. If someone would have explained a quantum computer back then they would have been laughed at, but in todays world its soon to be a working machine.

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 09:37 PM

Yes I did do my home work, 9 years of occult study and practice lol.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 09:39 PM

Well, it might be like legend but who really knows?
To some degree, science. Science says that physical, biological shifting does not take place. Therefore if it exists it is something other, which would fall into the world of magick.

And magick says it's not like in the legends, except for silver to some degree.

BTW; use the "Edit" button instead of double-posting. It's okay since you're new, but that time of forgiveness will wear off soon.

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 09:57 PM

Okey, i will use the edit button from here on. But remember in the realm of magick ANYTHING is possibly. Magick is bringing you WILL into the physical. Now, some of the ways to do this in legend I don't think would work, like the ointment example. have you seen the recipe for some of the ointments? Heres a few pieces to one," hen bane, nightshade, fat of a unbaptized baby's fat, etc". The list goes on. And a lot of it requires hallucinogenics. But other methods I believe could work, rituals and such. but that all depends on your belief in magick.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 10:00 PM

But remember in the realm of magick ANYTHING is possibly. Magick is bringing you WILL into the physical
You don't have to tell me that. I'm a magician.

And I never said it could not be brought into the physical, what I said was that it is not like in the myths.

For example: the transformation would not be uncontrollable. Nor would it come about due to drinking water from a wolf foot print.

but that all depends on your belief in magick.
I believe in what works. Not in hallucinogenic ointments.

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 10:06 PM

Didn't know you where a magickian, sorry. i just see a lot of people bashing physical transformations on here, and I don't really understand why. and the part about the werewolf's not controlling it might be the beast part of the mind when it takes over. beasts are instinctive, humans are not so much led my instincts anymore. Also, the foot print I agree there. Drinking from a food print would suggest that wolds are magick beings, and I don't see why this would be suggested. I don't believe in the hallucinogenic ointments ether. Those might help you change on the Astreal, but I don't think they will on this plain.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 10:16 PM

Didn't know you where a magickian, sorry.
It's spelled "Magician." You drop the "K." :)

i just see a lot of people bashing physical transformations on here, and I don't really understand why.
Because the majority of them are not magicians, and pretty much everyone on here who supports the idea of physical shifting loudly enough to get attention from anyone is fully brain-dead.

and the part about the werewolf's not controlling it might be the beast part of the mind when it takes over.
Which would bring the shift to a halt because magick is brought about through focusing of Will, which would not be present at that time.

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 10:33 PM

Well you could drop the K, but I prefer to keep it, because it distinguishes the difference between the practitioners of prestidigitation and true magick. Crowley was the one who added the k to magick, I don't believe he dropped it when using the word magician. Ether way it gets the point around, and with the k people understand more of what your talking about.

Yes, the people here do not seem very educated on the subject of magick, let alone of transformation. I thought there would be more people to debate with about this.

Yes, you do have to be in control to shift, but once the process is done the instincts could take over. i kinda playing devils advocate here, looking at it from each point of view.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 10:40 PM

Well you could drop the K, but I prefer to keep it, because it distinguishes the difference between the practitioners of prestidigitation and true magick.
That only applies when the word is "magic." Once it becomes the word "Magician" the use of the K at the end distinguishes between people who can spell and people who can't.

Crowley was the one who added the k to magick, I don't believe he dropped it when using the word magician.
Yes he did, but you believe wrong.

Yes, the people here do not seem very educated on the subject of magick, let alone of transformation. I thought there would be more people to debate with about this.
You might end up with a few saying how magick isn't real, but for the most part I'm the only person here real big on chatting about Magick.

Yes, you do have to be in control to shift, but once the process is done the instincts could take over.
And instinct contradicts Will, thereby rendering acts of Will null, which includes the transformation.

Your statement that instincts take over proves my point, not yours. :p

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 10:53 PM

I said that they take over after the process is finished. There would be nothing from preventing this. Having strong instinct does not mean you cannot have a strong will.
You can't make it sound different in the pronunciation with the added K, but I believe it should be written with a K.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 10:59 PM

I said that they take over after the process is finished.
That would be after you become human again. It takes constant focus of will to keep the Body of Light manifest.

Having strong instinct does not mean you cannot have a strong will.
No, but if said instincts take over as you said then they would be pushing aside the conscious mind, which is the part that has and focuses Will.

but I believe it should be written with a K.
That in no way makes it legitimate. It also makes you look like one of those silly kids who spells it "Majik" to be cool, new-age, unique, or some other such crap that they aren't.

blacktalon

10-11-2007, 11:04 PM

:eek: werewolf and werewolves are the same thing:D
wrerwolf is one:p wrerwolves is more than one;) sorry i had to say that:cool:

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 11:08 PM

The animalistic mind is also strong WILLED to, and very instinctive.

I'm not some little kid trying to be "cool". I just think when written it should have the K within it, then people understand the difference. If you said to a friend online " studied magic today". They would think you meant prestidigitation. But when you at the K to it, most people understand what you mean.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 11:13 PM

The animalistic mind is also strong WILLED to, and very instinctive.
Evidence please. All I see is a strong instinctive drive, which is not the same thing.

I'm not some little kid trying to be "cool".
I never said you were. I said you were looking that way. I figured you might want to avoid that.

But when you at the K to it, most people understand what you mean.
True, but you lose credibility in the eyes of those who can spell if you say "Magickian."

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 11:19 PM

I guess we will have to agree to diagree about the spelling of magician when it is used in in the meaning of a practitioner of magick. Its all point of view. If you ask 10 people who practice magick how to create a circle you get 10 different responses. Why keep the K at all then? Why not drop it from magick completely? "magician" is not the term I prefer to use, I prefer the term of sorcerer. Everyone knows what you mean when you say that :p

And I would be kinda hard for me to offer proof of a animals WILL power lol, when i figure out how to do this I will let you know.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 11:22 PM

Why keep the K at all then?
I keep the K in "Magick" for the same reason I omit it in the word "Magician."

Because it's right.

And I would be kinda hard for me to offer proof of a animals WILL power lol, when i figure out how to do this I will let you know.
Can you tell me this; how do animals have Wills strong enough to maintain a physical shift when most humans, beings which are generally more self-aware and able to understand concepts such as Will, cannot do it?

JeredFarrell

10-11-2007, 11:55 PM

Well it is Crowley's spelling. That is his way. Its just because common place. That does not mean that it is right. To begin with it was only magic, not magic"k".
So basically your saying you follow the heard?

It IS possible for animals to have a stronger WILL, anything is possible. Not can i prove it, no I can't. Can you disprove it? I don't think so. Like I say, I believe anything is possible.

ThrasherCub

10-11-2007, 11:59 PM

Well it is Crowley's spelling. That is his way. Its just because common place. That does not mean that it is right. To begin with it was only magic, not magic"k".
So basically your saying you follow the heard?
Did you fall on your head or something? Since when is "not being wrong even though I know it's wrong" following the herd?

Can you disprove it?
I alluded to why it's incredibly improbable. Could you at least give a hint of a reason why it might work?

Like I say, I believe anything is possible.
There reaches a point where it's possible to be so open minded your brain falls out.

JeredFarrell

10-12-2007, 12:17 AM

Wow, insult much? Thats something that little kids are good at. Good job.

Magick with a K was popularized by Crowley. It was how it wrote it, from his own beliefs. This does not make it right. This was from his point of view. Do you understand that? It doesn't seem like you do. Saying that its the "right way" is following the heard. Your doing as most do and not examining it.

Well some of the primates within the ape family understand are language and can respond. It cannot be disproved or proven at this moment, only debated.

There reaches a point where it's possible to be so open minded your brain falls out.

Wow, just wow. I wont even touch this, that was just a ignorant comment.

And maybe you can lay of the Insult, it seriously makes you look like a child.

ThrasherCub

10-12-2007, 12:22 AM

This does not make it right.
He had reasons for this change, it's a legitimate word, and you can look it up.

The same is not true of "Magickan."

Saying that its the "right way" is following the heard. Your doing as most do and not examining it.
I did examine it. And that's why I follow it. That's less common than you might thinl.

Being too stubborn or ignorant to see when you're wrong, now that's something more attune to the herd mentality, don't you think?

Wow, just wow. I wont even touch this, that was just a ignorant comment.
How was it ignorant? You know there are people who think the world is flat? That's an example of being too open-minded.

It's good to be open to new things. It's bad to be open to things which are clearly stupid.

And maybe you can lay of the Insult, it seriously makes you look like a child.
I didn't insult you. Though "something that little kids are good at. Good job." is an insult.

Tempest

10-12-2007, 12:24 AM

I can understand adding a "k" to the end of magic. Magic ends with a hard "k" sound, so adding a "k" would not make any difference to the pronunciation. However, spelling it magickian makes no sense. Sound it out. You would completely alter the sound of the word, rendering it unrecognizable. In my opinion, if you're going to alter words, try to at least have it make sense, both when reading the word and saying it.

Well some of the primates within the ape family understand are language and can respond. It cannot be disproved or proven at this moment, only debated.

Understanding language has to do with intelligence, NOT willpower. I do not see an ape having the willpower of a human. I mean...what do they even NEED willpower for?

And maybe you can lay of the Insult, it seriously makes you look like a child.

Oh my you will not fit in here at all if you find what she said insulting.

ThrasherCub

10-12-2007, 12:34 AM

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JeredFarrell

10-12-2007, 12:49 AM

ThrasherCub

10-12-2007, 12:57 AM

I explained the reason for my spelling magickian with a K, because it tells people the different between prestidigitation, and true magick.
It also tells people the difference between someone mature and someone like you.

I consider this a insult. I did not insult here, I stated a fact. It is childish to insult, little kids do it often. Theres no point to it. Its a message board, why insult someone? its a waste of the movement of your fingers to type it.
1 - Announcing the obvious isn't insulting unless you're too stupid to see the obvious.
2 - That implies that you think I'm childish (that's an insult, BTW).
3 - I enjoy proving stupid people wrong.

you don't think it takes WILL power for a animal that has no spoken language (that we know of) to learn our language?
There is a difference between willpower and Will in reference to Magick.

And it really doesn't take a lot of willpower for them to do that. They learn it from observations just like they learn anything else, similar to how my pet mouse learned what it putting my hand in the cage meant.

All that takes are cognitive skills.

Humans have a complex way of processing information in reference to language, and the reason it is so hard for us to learn a second language is because we are forcing ourselves to learn it in a different way than we are designed to, and at a much faster pace.

You could learn a second language through human observational skills, the equal of how animals learn to recognize our words, and you wouldn't even have to be paying conscious attention.

Tempest

10-12-2007, 12:59 AM

I'm gonna leave the first part of your post for ThrasherCub.

I consider this a insult. I did not insult here, I stated a fact. It is childish to insult, little kids do it often. Theres no point to it. Its a message board, why insult someone? its a waste of the movement of your fingers to type it.

She too stated a fact. Now your brains of course wouldn't literally fall out but there is a point where you are so open minded you become utterly gullible. There is a fine line between being open minded and being TOO open minded. I'm not saying you are on one side or the other, I'm just saying that this is indeed true.

Now about the primates. you don't think it takes WILL power for a animal that has no spoken language (that we know of) to learn our language? Well thats like saying it takes no will power for us to learn a different language, it does. It has to do with intelligence, got it has a lot to do with WILL.

Ok let's define the word will.

will –noun 1. the faculty of conscious and especially of deliberate action; the power of control the mind has over its own actions: the freedom of the will.

I truly think you are confusing will with intelligence. Will has to do with self-control. Yes, as humans, we learn a language through some amount of will. We may get books from the library, listen to audio tapes, make a study schedule, etc. However, any other animal will not do this. They "learn" languages through repetitive lessons forced upon them by humans. For instance, a dog will learn how to sit by you saying "sit" while pushing down on their butt (gently of course >.>). This will cause the dog to associate the SOUND of the word "sit" with the action of sitting. You see, it has nothing to do with the dog maintaining an amount of self control.
Chimps, dolphins, dogs, etc can learn through us forcing exercises on them. They don't go out and make themselves a study schedule and try to learn it themselves. That'd just be silly.

UNODRAGONE

10-12-2007, 08:23 AM

Ok, I explained the reason for my spelling magickian with a K, because it tells people the different between prestidigitation, and true magick.
If you write magick with a K, then why not write magickian with a K? We are talking about Crowley's work here, his ideas and his views. And it may be in the dictionary, but so is the word "aint", but that does not make it write.
Crowley added the K the the end of magick because it is the first letter for the Greek word "kteis", thats free for women or female I believe. So he had his own point of view, allow me mine.

I consider this a insult. I did not insult here, I stated a fact. It is childish to insult, little kids do it often. Theres no point to it. Its a message board, why insult someone? its a waste of the movement of your fingers to type it.

Now about the primates. you don't think it takes WILL power for a animal that has no spoken language (that we know of) to learn our language? Well thats like saying it takes no will power for us to learn a different language, it does. It has to do with intelligence, got it has a lot to do with WILL.

First I would just like to say can we PLEASE drop the whole K thing, it's old and redundant and neither one of you will give in, even though Thrashercub has already proven it isn't acceptable as a standard part of the English language. Second, when I first got on here I thought people here were a little hostile and a little rude, however reading Cubby's (hope it's ok that I call you that) she didn't insult you directly, it may have been implied in a way but not directly, you also implied she was childish as well. Basically, to be on this message board you have to have a tough skin, people will challenge you and dissect you in the hopes to either learn something or prove you wrong. Just make sure what ever you say you can back up and not pull out of your ass and you should be good :) opinions are different, there is no right or wrong with that even though people on here will battle you to bend to their will. Take what you can use and toss out the rest, you seem like someone who could add some good quality to a conversation so don't be discouraged :)

Necro Mortis

10-12-2007, 12:14 PM

Okey, some facts about werewolf's. These facts are from legend.

The Transformed at full moon.
The transformation was not controllable.
The heal extremely fast.
They are allergic to Silver, this comes in later in the legend.

Some common ways to transform into a werewolf where to;
1. Rub a hallucinogenic ointment on your body.
2. Wear a wolf pelt or the skin of the wolf and recite a incantation.
3. Use magick to transform.
4. Drink water from a foot print left by a wolf.
5. having a wolf or werewolf bite you under a full moon.

I'm new to this forum to, but have a lot of research done on this subject. There are those who claim the ability of Physical shape shifting, but most of the time these people tend to be young kids and are not being honest. That does not mean that Physical Shape shifting is not possible, I think any thing is possible. Some of the people that suffer from clinical Lycanthropy have enlarged canine teeth, extreme growth in body hair, etc. Theres a few facts for you, this website is full of them, thats just what I can pull of of the top of my head.

Oh please, please, please be kidding. I laughed so hard at that milk came out of my nose. And I wasn't even drinking milk.

And why is this thread now about 'Magick'?
I think that spelling magic with a k stuck on the end is, frankly, ridiculous and is done in an attempt to seem wise and individual when really it makes people look like those teenagers who call themselves Wiccan’s because they like drinking tea from a cauldron, rebelling against their parents by choosing, possibly, the furthest religion from Christianity possible and lighting candles in their rooms whilst listening to death metal. Why not save yourself that fraction of a second NOT typing an extra letter?
I do however know that Thrasher likes this kind of thing a lot and is not one of the said teenagers and so can use it without incurring any anger from me.

Oh and I did take a look at the reason some people call it 'Magick' and Jered Farrel is slightly correct.

"The Anglo-Saxon k in Magick, like most of Crowley's conceits, is a means of indicating the kind of magic which he performed. K is the eleventh letter of several alphabets, and eleven is the principal number of magick, because it is the number attributed to the Qliphoth - the underworld of demonic and chaotic forces that have to be conquered before magick can be performed. K has other magical implications: it corresponds to the power or shakti aspect of creative energy, for k is the ancient Egyptian khu, the magical power. Specifically, it stands for kteis (vagina), the complement to the wand (or phallus) which is used by the Magician in certain aspects of the Great Work."

Anyway, I think this thread is so far off topic it can't see the path anymore. Although it is funny now and then, just seeing the title, 'Were-wolfs is pretty annoying. Can a mod please fix it now? Pleeease?

Tempest

10-12-2007, 12:26 PM

Basically, to be on this message board you have to have a tough skin, people will challenge you and dissect you in the hopes to either learn something or prove you wrong.

This is on any message board. You need to be able to take crap from people no matter what message board you go to. If someone throws a hinted insult at you, you can't start whining about how that's childish and yadda yadda. It's the freaking internets people. If someone insults you and you act like it's the end of the world you shouldn't be here.

Anyway, I think this thread is so far off topic it can't see the path anymore.

I'm not sure it's quite that far off topic. I think the whole "k" thing is a little off topic, but both JaredFerrell and ThraserCub believe that magic(k) can be used to transfrom. So...it is relevent. Just not the spelling thing. :D

ThrasherCub

10-12-2007, 12:35 PM

First I would just like to say can we PLEASE drop the whole K thing, it's old and redundant and neither one of you will give in, even though Thrashercub has already proven it isn't acceptable as a standard part of the English language.
Oh fine. If I must. ;)

Anyway, as kind of a closing statement on the topic, the reason I hate made-up spellings of magick so much is because magick is something I care about quite deeply. People who run around shouting, "Hay guyz i pratise teh majik!" give magick a very bad name, and often times those people go to forums or threads or chats for people who actually know about magick and then they start muddying the waters, so to speak.

I imagine a lot of actual Christians feel that way towards those Thoughtless Happy Christians, who can't go 2 whole paragraphs without saying "Jesus Loves Me!" or those crazy up-tight Christians who say that Pokemon are a tool of the devil (not making that up - I saw a book about that).

And yes, Unodragone, you may totally call me Cubby. :D It goes well with my current avatar any how.

I laughed so hard at that milk came out of my nose. And I wasn't even drinking milk.
:confused: Egads. How... ew. Yeah. :( Hrmmm.

K is the eleventh letter of several alphabets, and eleven is the principal number of magick, because it is the number attributed to the Qliphoth - the underworld of demonic and chaotic forces that have to be conquered before magick can be performed.
Correct! Crowley's magick is about defeating the influence of Choronzon within and achieving full knowledge and conversation of the Holy Guardian Angel.

This is on any message board.
Actually I once got kicked off a forum for trying to start a debate. :D

That's how it is on any GOOD forum.