Magic

[CelticMagick]

Do you conciter magic a religon... I am a speritalist but i practis magic... esp those daling with sperits... ( the good ones)

[Vendetta]

Do you conciter magic a religon... I am a speritalist but i practis magic... esp those daling with sperits... ( the good ones)
Before studying magic, you might want to work on your (wait for it...) "spelling".

[MorganaFang]

Do you conciter magic a religon... I am a speritalist but i practis magic... esp those daling with sperits... ( the good ones)

No, magic is not, it is a means of practice for several religions.

It also helps to know how to spell: consider, practice, especially, dealing and spirits; If you are actually a specialist that is. Given your age and the fact your wasting time here says you're not.

Thank you and goodnight

[CelticMagick]

No, magic is not, it is a means of practice for several religions.

It also helps to know how to spell: consider, practice, especially, dealing and spirits; If you are actually a specialistthat is. Given your age and the fact your wasting time here says you're not.

Thank you and goodnight

What was that suposed to mean???

[Vendetta]

What was that suposed to mean???
I think it was SUPPOSED to mean that your spelling stinks.

[MorganaFang]

I think it was SUPPOSED to mean that your spelling stinks.

Actually it means their whole claim stinks.

[ThrasherCub]

You practice magick, huh? Which sephira do you have your strongest connection with?

[DarkWolf]

Do you consider magic a religion? I am a spiritualist but I practice magic, esp. magic dealing with spirits (the good ones).

Corrections I had to make:


"conciter" to "consider".

"religon" to "religion".

"..." to "?" (the "..." means a trailing sentence yet you were making a question and therefore a question mark should have been used).

"speritalist" to "spiritualist".

"i" to "I".

"practis" to "practice".

"..." to "," (you were merely seperating the sentence into parts which did not require the ending of the sentence as a trailing thought but instead required a comma).

"esp" to "esp." (an abbreviation requires a "." to denote it as an abbreviation).

"those" to "magics" (there is nothing that "those" would be a reference to given context but I presume you meant "magics" and therefore put that in).

"daling" to "dealing".

"sperits" to "spirits".

placed "(the good ones)" within the sentence since it's not a standalone sentence but a part of one inserted as a side-note.

"..." to ".".

That's a lot of corrections for two measly little sentences! Go back to school and apply what, evidently minute, brain power you have. If you expect anybody with even a smidgen of intelligence to bother with your words, beyond the highlighting of your flaws, you should, at the very least, use a level of English greater than that of a retarded toddler from a non-English-speaking country.

[CelticMagick]

Umm... Well I call it magic.. I just do energy work and healing… That is what I mean… I think that magic is when you channel you energy do some thing.

[Vendetta]

Umm... Well I call it magic.. I just do energy work and healing… That is what I mean… I think that magic is when you channel you energy do some thing.
I'm going to go out on a limb and guess English isn't your first language. Either that or our education system is FAR worse than I first suspected.

[CelticMagick]

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess English isn't your first language. Either that or our education system is FAR worse than I first suspected.
Let's stay on topic...

[CelticMagick]

Corrections I had to make:


"conciter" to "consider".

"religon" to "religion".

"..." to "?" (the "..." means a trailing sentence yet you were making a question and therefore a question mark should have been used).

"speritalist" to "spiritualist".

"i" to "I".

"practis" to "practice".

"..." to "," (you were merely seperating the sentence into parts which did not require the ending of the sentence as a trailing thought but instead required a comma).

"esp" to "esp." (an abbreviation requires a "." to denote it as an abbreviation).

"those" to "magics" (there is nothing that "those" would be a reference to given context but I presume you meant "magics" and therefore put that in).

"daling" to "dealing".

"sperits" to "spirits".

placed "(the good ones)" within the sentence since it's not a standalone sentence but a part of one inserted as a side-note.

"..." to ".".

That's a lot of corrections for two measly little sentences! Go back to school and apply what, evidently minute, brain power you have. If you expect anybody with even a smidgen of intelligence to bother with your words, beyond the highlighting of your flaws, you should, at the very least, use a level of English greater than that of a retarded toddler from a non-English-speaking country.

PLZ NEVER say that.. i felt VERY offended... my cuzin Happens to have mental retardation...

BTW... i will type my posts in word and then cut and past them so my spelling will be better...

[MorganaFang]

Umm... Well I call it magic.. I just do energy work and healing… That is what I mean… I think that magic is when you channel you energy do some thing.

Just because a teenager calls something magic, does not make it such.

I could call you a banana but that's not going to make you stop typing and actually be a banana.

Magic is the device of various religions, not a religion itself. I feel a need to repeat myself.

[CelticMagick]

Ok.. Got it... :)

[DarkHunter]

You practice magick, huh? Which sephira do you have your strongest connection with?

Didn't even bother to answer your question. How rude. Then again, you're probably way over Celtic's head.

[MorganaFang]

Ok.. Got it... :)

You don't, or you must not because you keep coming back. Even with this new variation of your name and post the same inane stuff getting the same people telling you off.

Maybe it's time you turned off the computer and go play with your horses. Or better yet. Pay attention in English class.

[Pickle Tickler]

Offended. My cousin happens to have mental retardation...

Corrected.

Also, most everyone has some genetic connection with a retarded person. Don't expect sympathy. I have two paternal aunt's who are severly retarded, and yet I use the word retarded all the time.

[ThrasherCub]

PLZ NEVER say that.. i felt VERY offended... my cuzin Happens to have mental retardation...

We'll never do that again if you promise to be smarter. Some of us here, myself included, actually know about and practice magick and were VERY offended not only by the lack of study on your part, but on the lack of effort. Use a freaking spell-checker.

Do you know how disappointing it is to spend time deciphering your atrocious spelling only to find out that the message has no thought behind it?

Now, you awesome magician you, answer my questions!

What is the state of your kundalini? What is the nature of your connection to your body of light? Does your magick employ vibration? How large are the symbols you construct from aetheric material during banishing?

Since banishing is the first thing taught by anyone who knows magick, banishing would obviously be the first thing you would learn; if you can't answer the question on banishing you're screwed.

Get answering.

Edit: "Celtic Magick" is an oxymoron. "Magick" refers specifically to hermetic magick, of which nothing Celtic is included.

[DarkHunter]

We'll never do that again if you promise to be smarter. Some of us here, myself included, actually know about and practice magick and were VERY offended not only by the lack of study on your part, but on the lack of effort. Use a freaking spell-checker.

Do you know how disappointing it is to spent time deciphering your atrocious spelling only to find out that the message has no thought behind it?

Now, you awesome magician you, answer my questions!

What is the state of your kundalini? What is the nature of your connection to your body of light? Does your magick employ vibration? How large are the symbols you construct from aetheric material during banishing?

Since banishing is the first thing taught by anyone who knows magick, banishing would obviously be the first thing you would learn; if you can't answer the question on banishing you're screwed.

Get answering.

I'm SOOO Glad I'm not a Thelemite. I don't have to learn words like "Kundalini."

;)

But any idiot knows banishing.

[ThrasherCub]

True, but if you're a magician it's easy enough to find out what it is and answer the question.

I made sure to ask things that, even if they're not part of your tradition, anyone with an understanding of magick can easily find out what they are and understand them.

[CelticMagick]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…

[Vendetta]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…
How can you misspell the word BELIEVE two different ways in the SAME sentence?! :confused:

[Lysander]

He spells it 3 different ways if you count his sig.

[Pickle Tickler]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…

You just don't get anything through that thick skull of yours do you?

[Rele WT]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…
BTW... i will type my posts in word and then cut and past them so my spelling will be better...

Word must be going crazy.

[Vendetta]

He spells it 3 different ways if you count his sig.
Now that just makes it MORE hilarious, as he spells it correctly in his sig. It boggles the mind.

[Rele WT]

Yeah, you'd think that would mean he knew how it was spelled. He's a strange one alright. ☺

[Tempest]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…

Ahahahahaha

How are we "staryiotiping" you? You don't know shit about magic, it's quite obvious because a) you seem to think it's a religion b) you think that "speritulists" are against Ouija boards and c) you totally sidestepped ThrasherCub's questions, and instead throw out the "you believe one thing and I believe another" card. Come on dear, I don't even believe in magic and I have a sense of what a kundalini is. Grow up. I'd guess you are 12 or 13 based on your total ignorance and lack of spelling capabilities. PLEASE, FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, use a spell check. You are just giving us another thing to laugh at you about.

[ThrasherCub]

You guys are beeing very staryiotipical… there are manny different way of doing magic…you bleive one thing and I bleive another… So… belive what you want…

I believe there are many different ways, actually. You're just stupid.

I asked things which apply to all magicians, regardless of the way they practice.

So answer my damn questions.

[DarkHunter]

Celtic, he has a point. As long ago as I was into this sort of "magick", I remember basic ideas (like banishing, and now kundalini which should have jumped out at me). The point being that a serious practitioner of any sort of magic is familiar with the other varieties. At least in passing. Of course, you might simply have not gotten around to studying such things, but we'd probably get off your back if you admitted it.

Most magicians get touchy when you get this sort of thing. What you call magic, your energy manipulation and healing, can be insulting to another magician. This arises because other magicians devote lifetimes to studying magical ideas. And energy manipulation can become sort of trivial depending on who you talk to. The tip of the iceberg.

[CelticMagick]

Celtic, he has a point. As long ago as I was into this sort of "magick", I remember basic ideas (like banishing, and now kundalini which should have jumped out at me). The point being that a serious practitioner of any sort of magic is familiar with the other varieties. At least in passing. Of course, you might simply have not gotten around to studying such things, but we'd probably get off your back if you admitted it.

Most magicians get touchy when you get this sort of thing. What you call magic, your energy manipulation and healing, can be insulting to another magician. This arises because other magicians devote lifetimes to studying magical ideas. And energy manipulation can become sort of trivial depending on who you talk to. The tip of the iceberg.

Ok... I get that thanks for informing me. I want to get "Seriously" into it where do i start? I have a book by some Rumstuckle guy ( it seemes pretty chezee) but i guess that most books would be...

[Tempest]

Ok... I get that thanks for informing me. I want to get "Seriously" into it where do i start? I have a book by some Rumstuckle guy ( it seemes pretty chezee) but i guess that most books would be...

I googled Rumstuckle because I did not know who he was, and came up with

http://books.google.com/books?id=cThLqIrvinc C&pg=PP1&dq=inauthor:Corneliu s+inauthor:Rumstuckl e&sig=BNAq_CHGzZOlF1W8 s6whWx1Vx5s

I don't have time to read it all but what I have read (the part about secret names and some of what's written on Wizard's Disks) is pretty laughable. This is just like SilverRavenWolf's books. It's geared toward teens who want to do "magic", it's gimic-y, and it's all fake.
I'm sure that ThrasherCub can provide you with better books to read. I was into this magic stuff when I was 13-15ish, I did not read much. I liked Scott Cunningham, although some don't like him. I also have a book called "Advanced Witchcraft" by Edain McCoy. I haven't read all of it but what I have read is pretty intelligent.

Edit - I've read some more of this and it's quite the crock of shit. I click on the review link on the right side of the book and found this (http://www.spiralnature.com/reviews/book/rumstucklec.html). First line of this review:
On the back of the book the category indicates it as fiction
You may want to try reading things that don't admit they are made up.

[ThrasherCub]

I want to get "Seriously" into it where do i start?

That depends on what kind of magic (or magick) you're interested in.

[DarkHunter]

Start at the sources. Where all magical practices have roots. From what I can tell (and correct me anybody if I'm wrong) but most magical practices owe a debt to the Freemasons and the work of Elphias Levi (not that I've read Levi's work; my interests lie elsewhere).

[sai-fujiwara]

Start at the sources. Where all magical practices have roots. From what I can tell (and correct me anybody if I'm wrong) but most magical practices owe a debt to the Freemasons and the work of Elphias Levi (not that I've read Levi's work; my interests lie elsewhere).
How does magic refer to the Freemasons? Can someone please give me an answer to this, I have been wondering this for years.

I wonder this because my dad is part of the Freemasons, as well as many other family relatives. And as far as I know, the Freemasons are not part of any sort of magic.

I'm not trying to be angry or sarcastic. Just... DarkHunter, you obviously know a bit about this, so tell me how the Freemasons are connected to magic.

(I noticed that CelticMagick improved his spelling and grammar... at least a little. I applaud you, now would you please start learning it so that you can start passing English class)

[DarkHunter]

How does magic refer to the Freemasons? Can someone please give me an answer to this, I have been wondering this for years.

I wonder this because my dad is part of the Freemasons, as well as many other family relatives. And as far as I know, the Freemasons are not part of any sort of magic.

I'm not trying to be angry or sarcastic. Just... DarkHunter, you obviously know a bit about this, so tell me how the Freemasons are connected to magic.

(I noticed that CelticMagick improved his spelling and grammar... at least a little. I applaud you, now would you please start learning it so that you can start passing English class)

Some of the Freemason appendent bodies may or may not have performed ritual magic. BUT, Freemasonry has had a huge influence on all groups that perform ritual magic. They all use similar symbols and items. Degree systems and initiatory structures were largely popularized by the Freemasons. Of course, the Freemasons were in turn influenced by groups that predated them, but a lot of common ritual practices are Masonic in nature. This is true on your basic occult orders (like the Order of the Golden Dawn), Thelema, Satanic organizations, and even neopagans (through Aleister Crowley's original influence on Gerald Gardner).

[CelticMagick]

That depends on what kind of magic (or magick) you're interested in.

what kinds are there?

[MorganaFang]

what kinds are there?

That's a funny question for someone who was calling themselves a specialist.

[ThrasherCub]

what kinds are there?
A lot, actually. Making a huge comprehensive list, besides being time consuming, would probably also be confusing.

So, what kind of magickal uses are you looking for? Healing and other "useful" magicks, devotional (praising a god or goddess) magick, or theurgic (leading to enlightenment) magick.

There are other sub-divisions but that tends to cover all the main things.

[DarkHunter]

That's a funny question for someone who was calling themselves a specialist.

I thought he was calling himself a "spiritualist" rather than a specialist.

[CelticMagick]

I thought he was calling himself a "spiritualist" rather than a specialist.

Tats right.

[ThrasherCub]

Please post more than two words as a response.

WW.com Rule #8 - Add to the discussion.

I'm still interested in helping you find a fine magickal system, if you'd just respond to my earlier post. :)

[John 677808]

Celtic Magic, you need to sort out your spelling.

[CelticMagick]

Ok, Sorry. I would like to learn a little of everything. Where should I start what is easy to learn?

BTW tanks for telling me about rule #8

[ThrasherCub]

No problem :) There's a rules page here (http://werewolf.com/vb/showthread.php?t=712 7) for future reference, but I don't think you'd have a problem with much else.

Learning a little of everything is a lot harder than it sounds. A lot of things can't be mixed well, and certain combinations like Hermetic magick and Chaos magick can't be mixed period.

The first thing any magician should learn is banishing - it really doesn't matter what kind you're learning, but banishing always comes first.

Beyond that I'd have to say devotional magick (the kind where you do rituals in honor of a god or goddess) is the easiest, assuming you have a deity you really truly love and wish to honor via magick.

Hermetic magick is not only hard, but tends to require a butt load of learning compared to the others. Good information on the topic is hard to come by.

Thelemic magick is fairly Hermetic, but easier to access an is less complicated (to some degree). On the down side it's not only heavily influenced by the Thelemic religion, but is often times quite sexual and I'm not entirely sure you feel like drinking an alchemical preparation made up of mingled sexual fluids.

Chaos magick is probably the easiest, presuming you have the right kind of mindset for it. Of course it could also drive you entirely insane. Other forms of magick slowly rise you from one plane to another via a systematic progression. Chaos magick just blows up the current plane of understanding and either forces you up or starts cracking down on your sanity. This is done via a system of what are ever-so politely named "Mindfucks."

In all of these (except maybe devotional magick) you can find divination and the charging of sigils, or something similar there to, so that's a good place to head after you learn banishing. Which you'll be better at depends entirely on if you're better at accepting influences or concentrating your Will and intent into something.

If there's anything else you'd like to know, I'd love to try to help you. If you're interested in devotional magick, I suggest studying up on the pantheon or religion you follow.

[UNODRAGONE]

No problem :) There's a rules page here (http://werewolf.com/vb/showthread.php?t=712 7) for future reference, but I don't think you'd have a problem with much else.

Learning a little of everything is a lot harder than it sounds. A lot of things can't be mixed well, and certain combinations like Hermetic magick and Chaos magick can't be mixed period.

The first thing any magician should learn is banishing - it really doesn't matter what kind you're learning, but banishing always comes first.

Beyond that I'd have to say devotional magick (the kind where you do rituals in honor of a god or goddess) is the easiest, assuming you have a deity you really truly love and wish to honor via magick.

Hermetic magick is not only hard, but tends to require a butt load of learning compared to the others. Good information on the topic is hard to come by.

Thelemic magick is fairly Hermetic, but easier to access an is less complicated (to some degree). On the down side it's not only heavily influenced by the Thelemic religion, but is often times quite sexual and I'm not entirely sure you feel like drinking an alchemical preparation made up of mingled sexual fluids.

Chaos magick is probably the easiest, presuming you have the right kind of mindset for it. Of course it could also drive you entirely insane. Other forms of magick slowly rise you from one plane to another via a systematic progression. Chaos magick just blows up the current plane of understanding and either forces you up or starts cracking down on your sanity. This is done via a system of what are ever-so politely named "Mindfucks."

In all of these (except maybe devotional magick) you can find divination and the charging of sigils, or something similar there to, so that's a good place to head after you learn banishing. Which you'll be better at depends entirely on if you're better at accepting influences or concentrating your Will and intent into something.

If there's anything else you'd like to know, I'd love to try to help you. If you're interested in devotional magick, I suggest studying up on the pantheon or religion you follow.


I just wish everyone else would follows these rules as well:

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But in any case, Thrashercub how did you learn so much about magic and how did you get into it? It seems like you know a hell of a lot!

[CelticMagick]

Ok what would you guys suggest? it is all greek to me.

[DarkHunter]

Ok what would you guys suggest? it is all greek to me.

Well I think thats sort of the problem. We can't really suggest things to you. Its sort of dependent on who you are and what you want (which is just paraphrasing everything Thrasher just said).

I didn't go in for all that sort of thing myself. I guess by those sorts of standards, the closest I can come to is Chaos magick, but then I don't follow any sort of established teaching under Chaos magick and I don't really bother with planes cause I dont' believe in them.

My magic is self devotional, through externalized symbols (Satan). My practices often involve themes of enlightenment and the growth of my personal knowledge so you might be able to call it theurgic. Its pyschodramatic, meaning its used to express myself and vent personal feelings.

And there is the practical element. The attempt to bring about a change in my surroundings, though this is attained more outside of ritual magic.

This really is one of the most convoluted topics you can learn about, just for the sheer volume of different ideas, conceptions, and practices that exist. The easiest place to start is to ask yourself, what do you want and what do you believe? After that? Learn Greek (which is to say, find out what all of this means!).

[ThrasherCub]

Thrashercub how did you learn so much about magic and how did you get into it? It seems like you know a hell of a lot!
Years of wandering in the metaphorical dark, studying it compulsively, and then moving in with a hermetic magician.

what would you guys suggest?
There isn't much to suggest. It's all about your interests and your strengths and weaknesses.

If you have any questions I'd be happy to answer them but any suggestion I make at this point would now just be me choosing something arbitrarily.

[NocturnalNero]

All truth be told, determining a single path to tread upon for spiritual or magickal development is probably the hardest part. Even I'm finding out on my own that there really isn't any one "path" or "way" to anything. There are esoteric Christians, Buddhists, as well as Taoists that are extremely powerful and exude an absolutely amazing aura. Along those same lines, certain self-proclaimed vampires I know are just as powerful, even if it is in a more... shall we say "invasive" manner.

In any case, what has worked for me thusfar in my magickal and spiritual studies, is remembering the basic foundations of religion and keeping in-mind my end-goal as a human being with a personality.

A good way to start might not be with religion at all, but perhaps starting with a foundation of psychology and sociology, as well as investigating what you believe in first.

Do you believe that there is energy everywhere? Individual spirits with individual personalities? Can you become one with said spirits? Or can you only channel them? Those may be hard questions to ask without exploring any form of magick first, but typically, those help determine what path you might want to consider.

Nature-based or Earth-based magick systems or religions tend to favor peace and healing, typically personified in Wicca as well as "Green" Witchcraft or the Celtic belief system.

Magickal systems based on an emphasis of empowering the self and excluding most others outside of one's circle of influence or personality typically include forms of Chaos Magick, Satanism, as well as more incendiary permutations of animism and (to a far lesser degree), therianthropy. (The popular internet believe that the "were" or "therian" community is anti-social or otherwise depraved has yet to be proved entirely true.)

Deity-based magickal systems can be included under any of the above subjects, including forms of animism. Friends of my own often have celebratory meals (and subsequent fornication-based magick rituals) based around Freyja, a deity of Norse origins.

If you have any questions, a few good resources on any of these subjects or ideals are always available on the internet. Wikipedia.org is a fabulous resource, Google.com is a great way to find websites or forums very similar in composition to WW.com, and if all else fails, your local library or occult shop may be able to offer you more guidance.

I hope this helps, and if you have any questions at all, you're more than welcome to privately message me or ask on this thread. :)

[CelticMagick]

where can i finde info on all the diffrent kindes of magic... this is going to be really helpful for my book

[DarkHunter]

where can i finde info on all the diffrent kindes of magic... this is going to be really helpful for my book

Google, Amazon, Wikipedia (though I wouldn't trust their articles on Satanism, they're usually in a state of flux). Religioustolerance.o rg has general information on religions.

For Satanism's magical practices, there are the Satanic Bible, Satanic Rituals, and Satanic Witch. For Thelema, there are the various writings of Aleister Crowley. I'm not too much of an expert there so I can't direct you too well. Wiccans have their Book of Shadows by Gardner, though a lot of other Wiccan groups have their own books now. Like I said, the writings of Elphias Levi were particularly prolific for the older magical traditions.

If you want to start with pyschology and then try to figure out magic, I would suggest Carl Jung.

[ThrasherCub]

If you're not sure about a book I suggest bringing the title to us. Just because it's popular doesn't mean crap.

Because of the open-minded nature of Wicca and it's growing popularity there are a lot of "reinventions" of old traditions (read: people are too stupid to understand the old Egyptian religion so they just make crap up using Egyptian gods). There's a similar high demand on Satanic material, especially with rebellious teens who don't know better (or care) so you'll find a lot of books containing stereotypical evil stuff, a great deal of which is BS.

If you want ancient traditions, start out with books documenting the religion itself, not "how to follow this religion." Going with the Egyptian example, until you can tell me Ur-Heru's relation to Ynpw without having to look anything up, you're not ready to learn to worship. If you want something Satanic, stick with things written by LaVey first and then look into other authors.

If you're interested in Thelema you, A - want Liber AL (The Book of the Law), and B - help. Crowley's wittings are intensely cryptic, and the Thelemic holy books have this tendency to speak to you, but not on the conscious level. This leads to many many misinterpretations being published.

I have not yet found a good book on Chaos Magick. The very nature of Chaos Magick is entirely too insane to be accepted by publishers (I once wrote a chaotic-philosophical essay on the enjoyment of drinking bear urine), and there are no experts or anything of the sort. The closest Chaos Magick has to an expert is the guy who invoked Tzeench and saw a random Mayan temple because of it. A good website is Chaos Matrix (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos.php)

[DarkHunter]

If you're not sure about a book I suggest bringing the title to us. Just because it's popular doesn't mean crap.

Because of the open-minded nature of Wicca and it's growing popularity there are a lot of "reinventions" of old traditions (read: people are too stupid to understand the old Egyptian religion so they just make crap up using Egyptian gods). There's a similar high demand on Satanic material, especially with rebellious teens who don't know better (or care) so you'll find a lot of books containing stereotypical evil stuff, a great deal of which is BS.

If you want ancient traditions, start out with books documenting the religion itself, not "how to follow this religion." Going with the Egyptian example, until you can tell me Ur-Heru's relation to Ynpw without having to look anything up, you're not ready to learn to worship. If you want something Satanic, stick with things written by LaVey first and then look into other authors.

If you're interested in Thelema you, A - want Liber AL (The Book of the Law), and B - help. Crowley's wittings are intensely cryptic, and the Thelemic holy books have this tendency to speak to you, but not on the conscious level. This leads to many many misinterpretations being published.

I have not yet found a good book on Chaos Magick. The very nature of Chaos Magick is entirely too insane to be accepted by publishers (I once wrote a chaotic-philosophical essay on the enjoyment of drinking bear urine), and there are no experts or anything of the sort. The closest Chaos Magick has to an expert is the guy who invoked Tzeench and saw a random Mayan temple because of it. A good website is Chaos Matrix (http://www.chaosmatrix.org/library/chaos.php)

Interesting site. Ewww they cite Isaac Bonewitz. That guy is such a joke.

Celtic, the main thing you need to do is examine yourself.

[DarkWolf]

Celtic, the main thing you need to do is examine yourself.Must... Resist... Urge... To make... Bad... Joke...

[UNODRAGONE]

Must... Resist... Urge... To make... Bad... Joke...

Examine yourself preferably with a mirror and rubber gloves :)

[CelticMagick]

you guys just really confused me

[Tempest]

you guys just really confused me

:p Just ignore UNO and DarkWolf then. If you don't get it, come back and read it in a couple of years.

[Pickle Tickler]

you guys just really confused me

It's called self sex, or as you have probably heard, masturbation. Something DarkWolf and I practice regularly, eh Darky? Eh, eh?

[DarkWolf]

It's called self sex, or as you have probably heard, masturbation. Something DarkWolf and I practice regularly, eh Darky? Eh, eh?
A whole world of "no comment".

[ThrasherCub]

Interesting site. Ewww they cite Isaac Bonewitz. That guy is such a joke.

Celtic, the main thing you need to do is examine yourself.

Yes, except for the Bonewitz it's good. :p

Examine yourself preferably with a mirror and rubber gloves

It's called self sex, or as you have probably heard, masturbation.
What the hell kind of masturbation requires rubber gloves!?:(

[DarkWolf]

What the hell kind of masturbation requires rubber gloves!?:(The very kinky kind. :)

[philodox]

The very kinky kind. :)
Just brings a whole new meaning to the phrase "beating yourself up".
Ahem.

[GoddessWolf]

The very kinky kind. :)

Im not sure if I should laugh or be afraid. lol

[DarkWolf]

Im not sure if I should laugh or be afraid. lol
Both? :shrug:

:D

[GoddessWolf]

Both? :shrug:

:D

:eek:

[DarkHunter]

Well, Celtic, you can take comfort from this at least: Some ritual magic does in fact call for masturbation. So to a greater or lesser degree, there hasn't been an irrelevant post yet. ;)

[ThrasherCub]

Some ritual magic does in fact call for masturbation.

Some calls for things requiring more teamwork than that. ;)

Did someone say "Azoth?!"

Anyway, except for tantric and Thelemic stuff, the use of sex (with or without others involved) is generally optional.

[UNODRAGONE]

I got to get into magic :)

[CelticMagick]

All truth be told, determining a single path to tread upon for spiritual or magickal development is probably the hardest part. Even I'm finding out on my own that there really isn't any one "path" or "way" to anything. There are esoteric Christians, Buddhists, as well as Taoists that are extremely powerful and exude an absolutely amazing aura. Along those same lines, certain self-proclaimed vampires I know are just as powerful, even if it is in a more... shall we say "invasive" manner.

In any case, what has worked for me thusfar in my magickal and spiritual studies, is remembering the basic foundations of religion and keeping in-mind my end-goal as a human being with a personality.

A good way to start might not be with religion at all, but perhaps starting with a foundation of psychology and sociology, as well as investigating what you believe in first.

Do you believe that there is energy everywhere? Individual spirits with individual personalities? Can you become one with said spirits? Or can you only channel them? Those may be hard questions to ask without exploring any form of magick first, but typically, those help determine what path you might want to consider.

Nature-based or Earth-based magick systems or religions tend to favor peace and healing, typically personified in Wicca as well as "Green" Witchcraft or the Celtic belief system.

Magickal systems based on an emphasis of empowering the self and excluding most others outside of one's circle of influence or personality typically include forms of Chaos Magick, Satanism, as well as more incendiary permutations of animism and (to a far lesser degree), therianthropy. (The popular internet believe that the "were" or "therian" community is anti-social or otherwise depraved has yet to be proved entirely true.)

Deity-based magickal systems can be included under any of the above subjects, including forms of animism. Friends of my own often have celebratory meals (and subsequent fornication-based magick rituals) based around Freyja, a deity of Norse origins.

If you have any questions, a few good resources on any of these subjects or ideals are always available on the internet. Wikipedia.org is a fabulous resource, Google.com is a great way to find websites or forums very similar in composition to WW.com, and if all else fails, your local library or occult shop may be able to offer you more guidance.

I hope this helps, and if you have any questions at all, you're more than welcome to privately message me or ask on this thread. :)


Thnaks that helped alot, i think i want to do a Nature bace magick... so now that i figured out what i want to do, what is the next step?

[ThrasherCub]

You go back and answer a question more relevant to magick.

ANY magickal system can be based in nature. Pick one of these goals for your magick:

- Becoming enlightened
- Revering spirits / Gods
- Healing
- Making your life easier


Obviously that's a pretty simplified list and most types of magick do all of those at least a little, but they by and large focus on one main part.

THAT is what you have to choose in order to find a good magickal tradition for you. All you did is tell us how you plan on personalizing your practices once you find a tradition.

Feel free to PM me or contact me via MSN messenger, though I'm usually only on MSN at night (pacific time).

Edit: a few corrections for that big blurb you quoted as being helpful:

There is no longer a "Celtic belief system." It died long ago and has been reconstructed EXTREMELY poorly. It is mostly Wicca, a made-up religion, centering around "Celtic Gods" which are nothing more than randomly fabricated Gods given (mispronounced) Celtic names.

Chaos Magick doesn't exclude others. Quite to the contrary, Chaos magicians have a tendency to involve others without their knowledge or approval.

Therianthropy has nothing to do with magick.

Wikipedia is a good starting point, but only an idiot would view it as a "fabulous resource" since any random twit can edit it. Wikipedia also says that white tigers are endangered when they are in fact intensely OVER populated as the white tiger is nothing more than a mutation which would be detrimental in nature.

If you're looking for guidance, find a magician willing to teach you one-on-one about the various types of magick.

[CelticMagick]

You go back and answer a question more relevant to magick.

ANY magickal system can be based in nature. Pick one of these goals for your magick:

- Becoming enlightened
- Revering spirits / Gods
- Healing
- Making your life easier


Obviously that's a pretty simplified list and most types of magick do all of those at least a little, but they by and large focus on one main part.

THAT is what you have to choose in order to find a good magickal tradition for you. All you did is tell us how you plan on personalizing your practices once you find a tradition.

Feel free to PM me or contact me via MSN messenger, though I'm usually only on MSN at night (pacific time).

Edit: a few corrections for that big blurb you quoted as being helpful:

There is no longer a "Celtic belief system." It died long ago and has been reconstructed EXTREMELY poorly. It is mostly Wicca, a made-up religion, centering around "Celtic Gods" which are nothing more than randomly fabricated Gods given (mispronounced) Celtic names.

Chaos Magick doesn't exclude others. Quite to the contrary, Chaos magicians have a tendency to involve others without their knowledge or approval.

Therianthropy has nothing to do with magick.

Wikipedia is a good starting point, but only an idiot would view it as a "fabulous resource" since any random twit can edit it. Wikipedia also says that white tigers are endangered when they are in fact intensely OVER populated as the white tiger is nothing more than a mutation which would be detrimental in nature.

If you're looking for guidance, find a magician willing to teach you one-on-one about the various types of magick.


Ok, but the problem is,,, where do i find one... and by the way i want to do Revering spirits / Gods

[ThrasherCub]

If you hadn't noticed, I'm a magician. We're out there. I wouldn't suggest looking for a magician on "magick" forums since those are good places to go if you're a nitwit who THINKS he knows about magick.

You might find an actual magician, or you might find someone who thinks he's the reincarnation of Puff the Magic Dragon

Stick of forums and groups like this one that are pretty insistent about people making sense. If someone there is able to talk about a mystical subject without causing people to get upset, that indicates that this person says stuff that actually makes sense.

Contrary to popular belief, magick is not some amazing thing that goes right over the heads of everyone else in the world. People who don't study it might not understand it well enough to perform it, but if they give a description of something it will more or less make sense to everyone.

and by the way i want to do Revering spirits / Gods
:) A large part of what I do is devotional magick too. It's really interesting, the things you can learn about gods from things like that.

So now the main question is what kinds of Gods are you looking to revere, and more importantly, why?

[DarkHunter]

Ok, but the problem is,,, where do i find one... and by the way i want to do Revering spirits / Gods

Here's a hint. Stop talking on forums. Look information up (I'd suggest only use internet sources as a starting point;libraries are better), read it, comprehend it, and then use it. The only way to learn about magic, learn how to use it, and to use it is to actually go and try to use it.