Ki

[Gohan]

Okay. I am new here, and I came here for the sole purpose of discussing ki and other energies. Of all of you here, who believes in ki and similar energies such as psi, mana, etc.? I want a friendly discussion and I am in no way trying to offend anyone. By the way, I believe firmly in ki and other energies.

[ThrasherCub]

Yo. First off, welcome to WW.com. :)

I work with ki on a regular basis, psi I've messed with (but sucked at), and mana is just ki not circulating within your sphere of sensation.

[Gohan]

Yo. First off, welcome to WW.com. :)

I work with ki on a regular basis, psi I've messed with (but sucked at), and mana is just ki not circulating within your sphere of sensation.

Hmm. This is good. What kind of ki manipulation do you do? I prefer an offensive style with defense mixed in. So in other words, do you like to blast it, shield with it, or heal with it?

[ThrasherCub]

Folks with the ability to shield with ki are rare and have gone through lots of training which, quite unfortunately, I cannot find :mad: .

I do a little offense, a little more healing than that, but mostly I use the manipulation of ki in order to keep healthy.

[Gohan]

Folks with the ability to shield with ki are rare and have gone through lots of training which, quite unfortunately, I cannot find :mad: .

I do a little offense, a little more healing than that, but mostly I use the manipulation of ki in order to keep healthy.

Okay. Anyone else have anything to say about the topic? Also, please take the test I PMed you, ThrasherCub.;)

[ThrasherCub]

Okay. Anyone else have anything to say about the topic?

I'm not sure anyone else is viewing this section right now.

And I have something else to say on the topic, if I may. :)

People have a lot of weird ideas on Ki.

I once read a news article about people who had decided that Qi Gong was in some way related to a cult. Many Christians seem to believe that the manipulation of ki is in some way evil (despite the fact that you're manipulating your ki every time you eat or breath). There are people who think ki is just like in video games and try to perform those super-kewl blasts or whatever, and there are people who think ki is exactly like in video games and therefore very stupid.

And don't get me started on the huge headache caused by the fluffy new-age ideas on it.

[NeonLightChild]

I use ki but mostly as an energy to remain healthy and balanced in the physical sense. Rarely do I use it offensively or defensively (at least that I'm aware of).

[DarkHunter]

Gohan, I take it you like DBZ? :)

I've always thought of Ki as linked to Animism and I'm not sure where I stand as far as Animism is concerned.

[Gohan]

Yes, I do like DBZ. But this is not the point. Ki is not animistic. You can still be Christian or any other religion to believe in ki and other energies. It is common sense. And to all you hardcore Christians out there, KI IS NOT OF THE DEVIL/EVIL!!!

[ThrasherCub]

Gohan, I take it you like DBZ?
Judging from his name? Either that or he REALLY likes rice. :D

Ki is not animistic. You can still be Christian or any other religion to believe in ki and other energies.
Even if ki were animistic Christians could still believe in it. Animism can be summed up as "believing other stuff have spirits." It usually refers to souls (which is not the same as ki), but people have interesting and unique views on the nature of souls, spirits, and energy. After all, the Bible does not say that animals don't have souls (a common misconception), which opens one up to the idea that maybe all things have souls. It's not much of a stretch to go from "all things have souls" to "all things have life energy."

And to all you hardcore Christians out there, KI IS NOT OF THE DEVIL/EVIL!!!
I doubt that shouting at anyone is going to convince them.

But you're still right. :p

[Gohan]

Well, I can at least try...

[West]

Kamehameha!!!

[ThrasherCub]

You are both hillarious and a jerk.

[DarkWolf]

I have two questions and despite the bluntness please do not be offended. I am genuinely interested in this. :D

1. What's the difference between Ki, Chi, and Chakra? I know there is a difference (despite popular belief) but can never find out the exact reason for difference.

2. Why is this in Religion? Ki isn't a religion, it's a form of life energy and the effects of it have even been scientifically monitored. It's like saying breathing is a religion or electricity is. Shouldn't this be placed in a different category such as Spirituality or something? Although some beliefs do concern Ki, Ki itself isn't a religion but an energy that can be used for something.

[Gohan]

I have two questions and despite the bluntness please do not be offended. I am genuinely interested in this. :D

1. What's the difference between Ki, Chi, and Chakra? I know there is a difference (despite popular belief) but can never find out the exact reason for difference.

2. Why is this in Religion? Ki isn't a religion, it's a form of life energy and the effects of it have even been scientifically monitored. It's like saying breathing is a religion or electricity is. Shouldn't this be placed in a different category such as Spirituality or something? Although some beliefs do concern Ki, Ki itself isn't a religion but an energy that can be used for something.

I put this in this section because it mentioned practices as well. Ki and chi are the same thing(Chi is the Chinese word, ki is the Japanese word, plain and simple). Chakra is a Naruto misconception. They use ki/chi, but they call it chakra. What chakras really are are the energy channels in which energy is to flow through. They are like our energy organs. I don't know what the Naruto makers were smoking, but they made a big mistake in calling the energy the characters use chakra.

[DarkWolf]

Actually if you ask a major Ki user they'd get offended if you call Chi and Ki the same.

And actually their depiction of Chakra in Naruto is partially correct. When they talk about what chakra is and the gates, and the points of chakra in the system it's actually dead-on with real chakra. They merely took it a step further to make it ki-esque and a biological factor as well as spiritual.

[ThrasherCub]

1. What's the difference between Ki, Chi, and Chakra? I know there is a difference (despite popular belief) but can never find out the exact reason for difference.
Ki = Life energy within a person. Most references to use in martial arts use this spelling.
Chi = Life energy within and without a person. When referring to the energy meandering around a room (as manipulated by Feng Shui) it is sometimes spelled as Ch'i. Most references to balance and well-being use this spelling.
Qi = Life energy within a person. Like Chi, this spelling is of Chinese origin. Many people use this spelling in reference to energy based healing techniques not part of reiki.
Chakra = An energy center charged with a specific assortment of influences though which life energy flows.

2. Why is this in Religion? Ki isn't a religion, it's a form of life energy and the effects of it have even been scientifically monitored. It's like saying breathing is a religion or electricity is. Shouldn't this be placed in a different category such as Spirituality or something?
Eh, it has to do with belief in the matter, ki plays a part in many religions (though usually under a different name), and the description on the Therianthropy/Spirituality section makes it look like it's centered around animal-based spirituality.

Actually if you ask a major Ki user they'd get offended if you call Chi and Ki the same.
I'm a major Ki user and I laugh at people like that.

"*Gasp!* You called it by it's name in Chinese! I only use the Japanese word for it! HEATHEN!"

[West]

1. What's the difference between Ki, Chi, and Chakra?

Different cartoons.

[ThrasherCub]

Dammit West, stop trying to ruin the conversation.

Go find a tr00 w3r3 to bug. :p

[Gohan]

Different cartoons.

Let me guess. You don't believe in anything beyond what modern science(the stuff that is not hidden from public) can explian. Am I right? Well, if I am, then you are an idiot for being so closed minded.

[DarkHunter]

Different cartoons.

West I think you're striking a nerve.

So....how does one go about using Ki? Or am I being a foot for asking, in that I should go find out for my own damn self.

[Gohan]

No. You are good for asking. After all, learning begins with questions. How does one go about using ki, you ask? I will PM you some sites.

[ThrasherCub]

Well, if I am, then you are an idiot for being so closed minded.
Try not to start a fight. Judging from how you type I don't think you'd win and I rather enjoy talking with you.

So....how does one go about using Ki?
Gohan and I have quite different views on Qi, so here's a few sites on behalf of my ideas;

Nei Dan Gong (http://www.geocities.com/donjitsu2/neidangong.html) by Josh Skinner
Zhan Zhuang (http://www.geocities.com/donjitsu2/zhanzhuangarticle.ht ml) by Josh Skinner

Unfortunately finding good information on the topic can be pretty hard. For the most part sites are good starting places, and then after that you have to find individuals to learn from.

I'm looking for more sites for you though.

[winwinwe]

I agree with west. Although I do believe in ki, the use of it in cartoons is poisoning the public's mind. Especially that of children.

[ThrasherCub]

Here here!

I think that a cartoon with ki in it could inspire someone to learn more about it, but it has had the sad side effect of making people think that you can hurt someone with ki by shouting the syllables in "kamehameha" one at a time.

Of course there were those people who wanted GTA banned because it was influencing children to become more violent. The day after that was on the news my mom walked in to my brother playing. He was running up a freeway on-ramp in his underwear while police chased him saying "stop making me run." He shortly thereafter knocked several cars into the sky and then flied around via a jetpack.

I'm not sure that the cartoons and whatnot are to blame so much as the parents who raise their children to be too retarded to tell the difference between fiction and reality.

[Gohan]

You can't hurt someone with ki just by using syllables. You actually have to move the ki and use willpower to blast it. It won't just move by saying some words. Then, you can hurt someone. The syllables can be of help, but not be used solely.

[ThrasherCub]

Before anyone jumps on him for saying the syllables help, that makes sense.

It's a way of focusing will and intent, similar to the ritual workings of magick.

[Gohan]

Before anyone jumps on him for saying the syllables help, that makes sense.

It's a way of focusing will and intent, similar to the ritual workings of magick.

Exactly.

[ThrasherCub]

:D Glad we can agree. Though you might want to say more than one word when you post. The mods and a lot of the older members kinda get peeved by that.

But yes, in reality a great deal of what is done in energy workings (magick in particular) is completely unnecessary as far as the manipulation of the energy itself is concerned. It simply helps the mind overcome self-doubt, often times by simply distracting it quite a bit.

You know those cute little things they taught us in school to help us remember junk? Like the order of the planets being "My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pies" or whatever variant. Most motions and words (but certainly not all) are little more than a trick like that.


Though for the record, things like physical motion and position are somewhat more important with ki than in magick, but not by earth-shattering proportions.

[Gohan]

:D Glad we can agree. Though you might want to say more than one word when you post. The mods and a lot of the older members kinda get peeved by that.

But yes, in reality a great deal of what is done in energy workings (magick in particular) is completely unnecessary as far as the manipulation of the energy itself is concerned. It simply helps the mind overcome self-doubt, often times by simply distracting it quite a bit.

You know those cute little things they taught us in school to help us remember junk? Like the order of the planets being "My Very Educated Mother Just Served Us Nine Pies" or whatever variant. Most motions and words (but certainly not all) are little more than a trick like that.


Though for the record, things like physical motion and position are somewhat more important with ki than in magick, but not by earth-shattering proportions.

Anyone else have a view on ki they'd like to share?

[ThrasherCub]

Why don't you share a few more thoughts? You and I have somewhat different views and I'm sure some of the members would find a compare and contrast discussion interesting enough to join in. :)

[Gohan]

Well, I believe that many great things can be done with ki. This includes healing, levitation/flying, blasting(jing for physical damage), increasing strength greatly, increasing speed greatly, and more! Also, I think ki was given to us and all living things as an energy to harness to its full potential, so I fully advocate its use for personal gain and to become powerful. Ki, in my opinion, is in no way an evil thing. It is the intent and actions of the user that denotes whether it is good or evil, but the energy itself is neither good nor bad.

[ThrasherCub]

I can think of easier ways to fly, but I suppose Ki works just as well. :)

I've really never understood the idea that Ki is evil. I can understand the idea that manipulation of other energies might be considered evil since many people believe that control of the world like that should only be done by God.

But Ki is your energy and, going with the belief that God is almighty and in charge and what not, didn't He put the ki in you?

...

So wouldn't calling the use of ki evil be similar to calling working out in the gym evil?

[Gohan]

I agree completely with you. I know there are easier ways of flying other than ki. I know psi is probably better for levitation/flying, but ki would work also.

[ThrasherCub]

I was actually thinking plain old magickal Will. Flying with magick is pretty much "decide really hard that you're flying."


Though I imagine that flying by way of ki or psionic energy would be pretty fun. Since you would have to create something which you could stand upon which would move about it would be kind of like surfing.

Ki surfing. Why hasn't that been in a popular anime? Someone write Japan an angry letter! They've let me down!

[The Dragon-King]

Ki and all that other stuff are just forms of magic which I know little about. But I do believe in magic and I have friends who are witches (none of them are werewolf slayers, thank the Lord, or I would NOT be friends with them)!

[ThrasherCub]

Ki and all that other stuff are just forms of magic which I know little about.
That depends entirely on how you define magick. Most people who practice magick do not practice ki or even have a very good grasp of what it is.

and I have friends who are witches
Most people who call themselves witches wouldn't know magick if it bit them in the face.

(none of them are werewolf slayers, thank the Lord, or I would NOT be friends with them)!
There are no werewolf slayers because werewolves are nothing more than magicians who know how to shapeshift.


BTW, why haven't you worshiped me yet?

[DarkHunter]

Ki and all that other stuff are just forms of magic which I know little about. But I do believe in magic and I have friends who are witches (none of them are werewolf slayers, thank the Lord, or I would NOT be friends with them)!

I haven't heard about something as ridiculous as a "werewolf slayer" in YEARS now. Probably last time was in a past version of WW.com.

Flying with Ki and Magic? I could think of more practical ways to spend magical energy. It'd be cool to actually fly, but I'd imagine it'd be too exhausting (if you could pull it off) to be enjoyable. Rather pay twenty bucks at the boardwalk and get stuck in a sling shot that will throw me into the sky.

[ThrasherCub]

The Magick route would require no effort other than concentration and application of Will.

Ki on the other hand would probably somewhat tiring if you weren't in tip-top condition, and then there would still be a limit to how long you could fly (and probably how high).

Though I still think that flying around with Ki would feel a hell of a lot cooler.

[Tempest]

But I do believe in magic

I like that you're foolish enough to decide that something does not exist when you know next to nothing about it.

In his defense, he was saying that he does believe in it.

I have worked with auras and chakras, however I'm a little unsure about ki. I don't know much about it to be honest. I'm definately skeptical about using it to fly... I suppose it wouldn't be a far stretch to say that you could levitate, but flying...eh.
When I was like 13 I did light as a feather with 4 others. I was the board. At the head was my friend, who was dating the guy at my feet, who was brother to my friends on either side, who were twins. We all had strong connections to each other. It could have been a trick of my mind, but I swear to the heavens that I started to float. I freaked out and sat up. We tried many times to make it happen again and we couldn't.
Just a fun little story I felt like sharing.

[ThrasherCub]

I edited that out (before you posted, too). I was severely distracted by the time by my boyfriend. He's practically dying from diarrhea and I practically had to tie him down to keep him from going to work.

[Tempest]

I edited that out (before you posted, too). I was severely distracted by the time by my boyfriend. He's practically dying from diarrhea and I practically had to tie him down to keep him from going to work.

I'm sorry, it was definately there when I quoted you. Sometimes it takes me a while to write my posts.
I hope your boyfriend gets better :(

[ThrasherCub]

I hope so too. He's the crappiest patient ever.

And bringing it back to the topic at hand, he has the most stuffed up, blocked, and fully retarded ki flow I have ever encountered. Except possibly for his mother.

I'm not exaggerating at all when I say that I'm surprised he's still alive.

:( Yesterday I was having to teach him how to walk because his weird jarring steps were detrimental in every conceivable way. Hopefully once we get some basics of physical life down we'll be able to work on things like this.

[Kaden]

I, myself, have been trying to study a little on Ki and Chi. I first found good focus on it by taking Taichiquan. I found that really helpful. I've been meditating since I was 7 and found it to be an incredible way of focusing my ki. Also through my faith I've been finding other ways of working with my ki and with the chi around me.

I'm also researching ki and chi for a character in the comic I'm working on so this thread has been an extremely helpful and fascinating read. Thanks for starting it Gohan. :D

[Gohan]

Good! You really should learn to use ki for the purposes that I listed if you want power like I do. BTW, you live in Front Royal, Virginia?(It's in your profile). I used to live in Virginia as well.

[Kaden]

I do you think you could send me those links you were pming people?

Oh and what part of Virginia?

[Gohan]

I do you think you could send me those links you were pming people?

Oh and what part of Virginia?

Lorton, Virginia in Fairfax County. But what links are you talking about? The ki sites? If you want them, just ask.

[ThrasherCub]

I believe she did ask. :)

Why not just post them like I did?

[Gohan]

I believe she did ask. :)

Why not just post them like I did?

Lots of people here would think it is dumb and gay because the sites go against their beliefs. That could start a flame war, so I would rather just send it to people that are serious and want the sites via PM.

[Kaden]

You know, if people think they are dumb and gay then they need to grow up. Dont be afraid of posting it.

[Hamster_Mommy]

Okay. I am new here, and I came here for the sole purpose of discussing ki and other energies. Of all of you here, who believes in ki and similar energies such as psi, mana, etc.? I want a friendly discussion and I am in no way trying to offend anyone. By the way, I believe firmly in ki and other energies.

Yes I believe in Ki and other energies. I think the truths regarding them are frequently defiled for the sake of entertainment, discreditment, and swelling up personal egos etc.