weaknesses

[cold_heart]

So I am writing a new story, and I'm quite sure that other people would benefit in knowledge with these ideas. What are the weaknesses of wolfs and vampires? My father was skeptical and said anything, including electricity. I'm wondering if the electricity would indeed harm a vampire or wolf, and what other weaknesses/strengths do they each have?

[Gilenea]

Technically, since vampires are not alive, I don't imagine too much would hurt them. They would have the benefit of faster than normal healing due to the fact that they ingest the life from other creatures. Since vampires aren't alive, they don't have a beating heart, which takes away the need for breathing and eating. Starvation and drowning won't work to rid yourself of a vampire problem. As for what might kill them, well... You could always use the classic silver stake through the heart or severing of the spinal cord.

Werewolves on the other hand are made of flesh and blood with their own life force, and I've always hated the idea of invincible werewolves. It just doesn't make sense. Eventually, fantasy has to end and, just because you can turn into a wolf, it doesn't mean to can't be harmed. I will agree that, due to faster metabolism, a werewolf would heal faster, but you can really kill them any old way. Just might take a little more to kill a wolf than it would to kill your average Joe. Enough bullets (silver or regular), fire, drowning... If it'd kill a human, multiply it by about ten and it could probably take care of a werewolf.

But that's all just hypotheticals, of course. The government requires me to say I don't reallty know anything. Haha. ;)

Gil

[Fenrir]

I have to disagree with that starvation thing, true in the normal sense of food a vampire wont be affected; but starve them of blood and they will probably die.

And if you want to go for a more mythical approach with the werewolves then the only way to kill them is by dicapitation or shooting them through the brain.

[Tempest]

What are the weaknesses of wolfs and vampires?

Whatever you want them to be. Vampires and werewolves are fictional creatures and it's your story. Be creative.

[DarkHunter]

Decapitation, in most stories, is pretty goddamned final for any creature.

For vampires, mainly sunlight and fire. Of course the sunlight thing is null if you add in "daywalker" vampires.

I wouldn't think electricity would bother them much, but I imagine things like explosions would. Carry grenades when heading to Transylvania.

Werewolves. I'm sort of divided. I don't think they would be able to be killed by ordinary means. Maybe less resilient then vampires.

I don't know, I'll edit this later and make a point out of it.

[ThrasherCub]

Whatever you want them to be. Vampires and werewolves are fictional creatures and it's your story. Be creative.

The problem is that if you're not familiar enough with the myths at hand you can come up with some pretty stupid things in the name of creativity.

Since people already pointed out lots of great weaknesses, I thought I'd share something else which might help. Vampires don't appear to be terribly susceptible to being hurt, just being killed. Presumably this has to do with the fact that werewolves are still alive and can be hurt like you and me, but vampires are technically dead. Vampires remind me a lot of zombies in that way. Attempts to hurt them are just kind of annoying and while doing something like cutting off a leg would slow them down, it would only slow them down insofar as they must now figure out how to move about without it as opposed to most people who would scream and wiggle until they died of blood loss.

On werewolves, I imagine being shot with silver is a lot like being hit with a poisoned arrow. Get it out soon enough and you wont die, though that limb probably won't be too good until you get it cured. It may have been so badly damaged by the silver it would need to be amputated. Werewolves regenerate yes, but most people agree things like having an arm cut off is beyond their abilities. Hence they must work with living flesh in order to regenerate. Silver is often times described as "burning" so I figure that if the silver is there long enough causing wounds similar to chemical burns then the flesh in the area would have been so badly damaged it would have died completely, much like having a limb removed.

[Ookamiotoko]

Well, Vampirescan be killed in many of the ways already mentioned above this post, (Damn they took some good ones!) but holy water can be a good means of torturing a vamp. Also the classic steak as mentioned above, and (something that might work and I've created from watching Underwolrd) Holy water filled bullets.

For Werewolves, Silver bullets, fire, Nitrogen, almost anything that is to severe for them to regenerate from. (Even though im against killing a werewolf there are many ways to kill them, Im included in there.)

[DarkHunter]

Well, Vampirescan be killed in many of the ways already mentioned above this post, (Damn they took some good ones!) but holy water can be a good means of torturing a vamp. Also the classic steak as mentioned above, and (something that might work and I've created from watching Underwolrd) Holy water filled bullets.

For Werewolves, Silver bullets, fire, Nitrogen, almost anything that is to severe for them to regenerate from. (Even though im against killing a werewolf there are many ways to kill them, Im included in there.)

The whole "holy water" bit seems for more religiously minded literature. Back to old school Van Helsing (not the kickass Hugh Jackman, but the old and frail and still great Edward Van(?) Sloan). Holy water, Sacred Host, your crucifix.

I think werewolves should probably be able to regenerate as long as most of their limbs and things are mostly intact. Silver is often the equivalent of poison for werewolves. As much as I hate to think about it or involve it in any discussion on the subject, I like the way Underworld had it. It burns like hell. Silver in different forms can be crippling. And, to quote something I like, wonderful Amelia Atwater-Rhodes suggests that in her books, when a vampire or a werewolf is cut with a silver knife, it doesn't heal like other wounds. From what I remember, it only really extended to scarring whereas before the creature would heal perfectly.

But its fun to consider.

[BlackRosePhantom]

Vampires are NOT dead. they are the UN-DEAD, meaning that their bodies have rejected death and are still alive even though they were once killed. The means of re-killing one are the classic holy stake (cross with the bottom fashioned into stake point) through the heart, then drowsed with holy water and decapitated for extra measure. I take this directly from how it was done back in the early 17th century when people didn't understand the way bodies decomposed (the body, being 70% water, will evaporate the mosture from the skin, making it shrivel up and the reason for the appearance of hair/nail growth). I take nothing from Hollywood and gained all of my information from a History Channel Vampire Special that was on about a weak ago or so. If you have any doubt how this was done, then you look it up yourself.

Now, onto werewolves, which is a tricky subject that I watched no special on. Commonly heard myths say that werewolves are allergic to silver, but instead of getting hives or swelling, they react to it like a chemical burn as ThrasherCub has previously stated. Werewolves can also die from decapitation. Since your asking for ways that they might die, I'm assuming that you mean the werewolves that change into a giant man/wolf beast during the full moon. Being that this would also mean that it is a curse, it might be possible for them to be killed by means of an exorcism. Fire is also another classic that is used. Like vampires, they are demons, except ones where another being takes over the body while it's still alive, and thus it you will always have to hunt it in order to kill it (as apposed to vampire which are usual still sleeping in there grave before the sun fully sets and thus can be killed in a ritual though still using the same methods as stated above). Werewolves being faster than humans, a chase is useless and will run away when it sees lit torches/large amounts of fire or hears the ringing of bells. I hope that helps for your story, though I'd tweak a few things as so it's more creative and original.

[cold_heart]

Well, yes.


I am writing a story that is taking place in the future, I'm making my own story about a girl who is a hybrid of the two species. From what I've read, it would have to be something that is either silver or fire, perhaps silver fire? Don't know quite yet, I'm just thinking. Plus the story is in the future, so other types of weapons will be used.

She has a set of eye-blades. They are shaped as half an eye, without the actual pupil and (what do you call it...?)the color around it. When she puts them together, and locks them together, she can see through them, and see her next goal, wether it be someone who is to be killed, or just a place.

So, if I can have any ideas for weapons... that would be cool..... :D

Thank you for all the info you guys!!!!!!:D :D :D

[Ookamiotoko]

A weapon that could be used for this future phenominom...
Hmmmm....
Oh! Oh! I know!
A sort of silver spectral laser! A kind of laser that shots a beam of silver element in a plasma form (man that would be hot, literally!):D

[BlackRosePhantom]

Well, yes.


I am writing a story that is taking place in the future, I'm making my own story about a girl who is a hybrid of the two species. From what I've read, it would have to be something that is either silver or fire, perhaps silver fire? Don't know quite yet, I'm just thinking. Plus the story is in the future, so other types of weapons will be used.

She has a set of eye-blades. They are shaped as half an eye, without the actual pupil and (what do you call it...?)the color around it. When she puts them together, and locks them together, she can see through them, and see her next goal, wether it be someone who is to be killed, or just a place.

So, if I can have any ideas for weapons... that would be cool..... :D

Thank you for all the info you guys!!!!!!:D :D :D

OK, let's use syllables for this: CRE - A - TIV - ITY. Now what does that spell? Come on, sound it out. Creativity! good. Now how can creativity *rainbow wave motion* be used to help you write this book of yours? Well, creativity is what you think up on your own through mean of imagination, meaning that you can use your imagination to think up of things for your book on your own. After all, it is your book. Now quit asking us to design it for you!

Though, on the note of vampire/werewolf hybrid. That means that the person's body would have rejected death and would have kept the other wolf demon after they rejected death. The creature would just be like a vampire most nights and would turn into a werewolf on the full moon then. That would be how you'd create it if you went by European myth alone and nothing Hollywood has produced.

[Ookamiotoko]

OK, let's use syllables for this: CRE - A - TIV - ITY. Now what does that spell? Come on, sound it out. Creativity! good. Now how can creativity *rainbow wave motion* be used to help you write this book of yours? Well, creativity is what you think up on your own through mean of imagination, meaning that you can use your imagination to think up of things for your book on your own. After all, it is your book. Now quit asking us to design it for you!

Though, on the note of vampire/werewolf hybrid. That means that the person's body would have rejected death and would have kept the other wolf demon after they rejected death. The creature would just be like a vampire most nights and would turn into a werewolf on the full moon then. That would be how you'd create it if you went by European myth alone and nothing Hollywood has produced.

Well the part of the hybrid becoming a werewolf during the fullmoon might be off because there are some werewolves who can turn to a werewolf on their will.

[Fenrir]

Well the part of the hybrid becoming a werewolf during the fullmoon might be off because there are some werewolves who can turn to a werewolf on their will.

He did say if we went by european myth alone so the full moon thing applies.

If you decided to go for a more realistic (Though still quite farfetched) approach then the idea of diseases being the cause would be my suggestion.

[Ookamiotoko]

He did say if we went by european myth alone so the full moon thing applies.

If you decided to go for a more realistic (Though still quite farfetched) approach then the idea of diseases being the cause would be my suggestion.

Ohh, I must've over red a few parts then...

Disease, awsome and that might happen alittle more frequent or there just might be more chance of this hybrid character getting some sort of wierd freaky new diesease that could cause it some problems, perhaps kill it the full way.

[xxMatolfxx]

I think I will call this disease...AIDS! :)

[TheDyingStar]

Well, in a story, it is whatever you want them to be, what ever makes the story flow best. I personally like having characters with huge weaknesses, All powerful beings that nothing can stop and heal lightning fast can get annoying. I like putting things for my characters to get around, so most of the supposed strenght of werewolves isn't in my story. :)

I.E. I can't post the story because it is so long, but my idea is that different people react differently to being bitten. I did use the silver thing. In mine, the transformations strain the human form, so they only live about 30 years after the bite. It is what makes my story work the best with what I'm trying to do with the characters. Do what will make the story work as far as weaknesses.:)

[Ookamiotoko]

I think I will call this disease...AIDS! :)

Hee hee, thats gives me the creaps, (yet it's still funny)...hee hee...:D

[xxMatolfxx]

:) Yes I can sleep tonight knowing that someone laughed.:)



Why stop as objects being weapons. People with special abilities can be weapons just the same. It is the future who knows what we have accomplished. We could of found the secret gene that unlocks telekinesis and such.

[cold_heart]

Why stop as objects being weapons. People with special abilities can be weapons just the same. It is the future who knows what we have accomplished. We could of found the secret gene that unlocks telekinesis and such.

I know of these powers. Telekinesis is in some vampires naturally, vampires can block other vampires from their conscious mind, insane people and mentally disabled are also unreachable.

I have no clue what super natural thing a wolf can do, and that's why I started this thread.

A special gene can also make it so the wolf/vampire girl knows of a place, such as a fourth dimension, where things can be placed with the usefulness measured, instead of volume, and the fifth dimension of the time that is aquainted with such an object, making it just a different shape and different dimension, like the world is paper.

Whoa, sorry. I'm just blabbing now, huh? :D

[xxMatolfxx]

That isn't bad. It's called brainstorming.

[cold_heart]

Brainstorming while typing, yeah.

Anyways, what powers can the genetics in vampire and werewolf blood cause in the animals bodies? Hmmmm....

[Ookamiotoko]

I think that would depend on the animal and maybe how it got infected...

I know it's a little late but what about a sort of dimentinal phenominom that can somehow make This hybrid of yours eather really sick/weak or sometimes give it other additional powers for a temporary amount of time? :)

[xxMatolfxx]

What kind of additional powers?

[cold_heart]

That's actually a really good idea. See, I'm actually writing the story... right now. So, I'm building Ideas. I hate writing plans and everything, so I just write the story as it comes.... hehehe;)

[LV426]

Well, Vampirescan be killed in many of the ways already mentioned above this post, (Damn they took some good ones!) but holy water can be a good means of torturing a vamp. Also the classic steak as mentioned above, and (something that might work and I've created from watching Underwolrd) Holy water filled bullets.

For Werewolves, Silver bullets, fire, Nitrogen, almost anything that is to severe for them to regenerate from. (Even though im against killing a werewolf there are many ways to kill them, Im included in there.)

Steaks do not kill vampires, maybe vegetarians but not vampires.

[cold_heart]

Steaks do not kill vampires, maybe vegetarians but not vampires.

hehe. I think they spelled that wrong, huh?

STAKES

right?

[Ookamiotoko]

What kind of additional powers?

Well that could depend on the situation...

Ex: lets say that this hybrid is in a cold place like, a tormentigly cold snow frost in the north. An additional power could be the ability to produce fire and warmth but afterward she (the hybrid is a girl right?) could get extreamly nausious, sort of a backfire from using her new temporary power.

The additional powers could depend on what situation she is in. I repeated this on purpose.:)

[xxMatolfxx]

She wouldn't need that. If she is indeed a true hybrid, she will have stuff from the wolf's side. A wolf can sleep out in the open durring a blizzard and not really care. Though this does come from the fact they have two coats of fur.

[Ookamiotoko]

Which is why I said additional powers, doesn't have to be the example I said.

Another Ex: She could see the past clearly and see the future for a short time, and then faint for a while.

[cold_heart]

Thank you. that's actually a pretty cool idea.

Okay, so did I tell you about her eye-blades? Perhaps she could see the future through those, right?

[Ookamiotoko]

It is your story so you call the shots. If you say she can see to the future through those eye blades then she can, it's your story.:)

[cold_heart]

It is your story so you call the shots. If you say she can see to the future through those eye blades then she can, it's your story.:)


gracias. :)

[Ookamiotoko]

De nada.:)

[cold_heart]

hehe. Como estas?

[Ookamiotoko]

Muy bien pero,?no crees que no debemos hablar espanol si los de mas no lo entienden?

Lets speak English... Anyway, did you already think of settings?

[cold_heart]

Muy bien pero,?no crees que no debemos hablar espanol si los de mas no lo entienden?

Lets speak English... Anyway, did you already think of settings?

She's going to be in a mansion with a valley behind it, but a forest that lines it every which way. The house is pretty much off the map, and she doesn't use a car, unless she needs to blend in. She just graduated High School, and she's looking for past times, other than hunting.

[Ookamiotoko]

Sounds like she's going on a searching quest.

[cold_heart]

Yes. In the past, her lover died. And the one who was in love with her as well. She's trying to find out what more there is to life without getting depressed, she's hopeful that she won't die.

[Ookamiotoko]

Cool

[cold_heart]

Gracias. Actually, I'm working on it in the stories section. The name is "Just Starting" because I couldn't come up with a better name. :)

[DarkHunter]

I've always felt that the subject of Hybrid werewolf-vampires is handled somewhat sloppily. I mean, sure it sounds cool, but I don't think it is something that would work out. In the way that you have hybrids like mules that turn up sterile. Granted this is different. But I think the situation is handled in a manner that is too light and doesn't show any kind of of the grotesque effects of combining two different beings can have.

[Ookamiotoko]

Gracias. Actually, I'm working on it in the stories section. The name is "Just Starting" because I couldn't come up with a better name. :)

It took a while for me to read but I like how the story has played out, looking forward for more.:)

[cold_heart]

thanks. I'm trying to find the story, I lost it in my room. *walks into room and gets smothered by a pile of random things*

that doesn't work out too well for me.

[xxMatolfxx]

NO! It is going to take for ever now. :)

[cold_heart]

Nah, I read it like 20 times, so I know most of it.

[MorganaFang]

Nah, I read it like 20 times, so I know most of it.

How about you keep your discussing a story to the stories forum. It just would be good common sense.

[Ookamiotoko]

So...anything else?

[cold_heart]

Hmmm... do you think that a hybrid should fall in love with a vampire or a werewolf?

[xxMatolfxx]

How about both at the same time. :)

[cold_heart]

How about both at the same time. :)

But they're mortal enemies.

Here's the plot:

She falls in love w/ vamp. ditto
Gets kidnapped by werewolf
changed into werewolf.
Gets taken back by vamp
vamp tries to make her a vamp too
wakes up in werewolf home (abandoned in forest)
wolf is in love w/ her
she realizes he saved her...

eventually, she is torn between them. It's a LOT like the Eclipse book, but... there's a difference. She's a hybrid.

[xxMatolfxx]

To much drama for me. :)

[cold_heart]

She's torn between them. the werewolf changed her against her will, but saved her life. the vampire is her soul-mate and he changed her with her will, but he doesn't trust her.

[xxMatolfxx]

*Head starts to smoke* Ahh my brain hurts. :) lol

[UNODRAGONE]

She's torn between them. the werewolf changed her against her will, but saved her life. the vampire is her soul-mate and he changed her with her will, but he doesn't trust her.


sounds complicated......als o sounds like it belongs in the stories forum :)

[xxMatolfxx]

It wasn't originally about a story it was about something along the lines of wondering what a hybrid was.

[MorganaFang]

It wasn't originally about a story it was about something along the lines of wondering what a hybrid was.

After the second or so page, THEN it became fully about stories, despite a mode asking for the storie discussion to be in the appropriate part of the forum. But I totally got stepped over on that :p

[xxMatolfxx]

When did you ask that?

[cold_heart]

sounds complicated......als o sounds like it belongs in the stories forum :)

:p

[xxMatolfxx]

God I am confused.:confused: :confused:

[UNODRAGONE]

God I am confused.:confused: :confused:


Simple terms, no more telling about your story in this thread. The only thing that you should be talking about in this thread is anything pertaining to the original posting, "What are the weaknesses of wolfs and vampires? My father was skeptical and said anything, including electricity. I'm wondering if the electricity would indeed harm a vampire or wolf, and what other weaknesses/strengths do they each have?" I understand in the first sentence cold-heart stated he/she was writing a story but they didn't ask about that/want to talk about that the whole thread is just suppose to be about what can kill/harm a werewolf/vampire. Cool?

[cold_heart]

I'm up for that. Okay, so what do you think could harm a hybrid of the species?

[xxMatolfxx]

Exactly a hybrid. They are a perfect mix between the two. Who says they even have weaknesses or if they do would they be the same as the original forms they derived the hybrid from?(Hope you understood it I tried to word it better, but it is just not going to happen with me) :)

[UNODRAGONE]

I'm up for that. Okay, so what do you think could harm a hybrid of the species?

Simple, if you be-head a vampire or a werewolf they die so be-heading is one, fire two :)

[Necro Mortis]

I'm up for that. Okay, so what do you think could harm a hybrid of the species?

Reality

[cold_heart]

:D

That's why the story is Dark Fiction. It's NOT REAL. :D