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chriz
01-15-2008, 12:54 PM
He really is. (http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3383)

dirtyrat
01-15-2008, 01:09 PM
Bummer! Is THAT what I get to look forwards to ( =growing old/senile). Or has he always been nuts? (THEN I'M OFF THE HOOK- YAAA!!)

LV426
01-18-2008, 08:46 PM
So remember people, if you are in an accident make sure you call the Scientolgists/Tom Cruise first, because the paramedics can't help you, only Scientologists can.

Kaden
01-18-2008, 09:45 PM
This man makes me ashamed to admit The Last Samurai is one of my fave movies.

ThrasherCub
01-19-2008, 03:20 AM
This man makes me ashamed to admit The Last Samurai is one of my fave movies.

Me too. :(

Is anyone else reminded of that scene in whichever Scary Movie it was where they made fun of Cruise's display of insanity on Oprah? That has become the first thing to come to mind whenever I think of him.

PS - the video isn't at that link any more. Can someone find a new one?

Kaden
01-19-2008, 08:30 AM
The videos are being sniped down as fast as they go up. Just another part of Scientology's wicked scary legal department and anti slander program. These guys can't take critism for anything.


Oh and that would be scary movie 4.

Tom Cruise not funny crazy like Britney... but scary crazy.

Nimue
01-24-2008, 12:05 PM
Amen to the comment of Cruise being a looney tune! I have nothing against scientology. Did a little reading into it and decided it wasn't for me. I believe in freedom of religion. What I don't believe is anyone proclaming their's to be - THE ONE TRUE FAITH.

Different strokes for different folks I say.

I like Cruise's acting but I think he should keep his religious ideals to himself or at least tune it down a few levels. John Travolta is a Scientoligist and you don't see him picking on Brook Shields :D

LV426
01-24-2008, 12:30 PM
Here's the link.
http://gawker.com/5002269/the-cruise-indoctrination-video-scientology-tried-to-suppress

Gawker is defying the man and Scientologists and refuses to take it down.

Vendetta
01-24-2008, 12:32 PM
Amen to the comment of Cruise being a looney tune! I have nothing against scientology. Did a little reading into it and decided it wasn't for me. I believe in freedom of religion. What I don't believe is anyone proclaming their's to be - THE ONE TRUE FAITH.
At what point does a religion become a cult?

Also, want to scare yourself? Take a look at Wikipedia's list of Scientologist celebrities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologis ts). I lost so much respect for so many people.

Nimue
01-24-2008, 12:58 PM
At what point does a religion become a cult?

Also, want to scare yourself? Take a look at Wikipedia's list of Scientologist celebrities (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologis ts). I lost so much respect for so many people.

I guess a cult is when the group or group leader acts like a control freak. When he/she cuts members off from family and friends. And of course when one or a small group controls all the money.
Not claiming to be an expert or anything. It's kinda like a bad marriage where one is abusive and another is being taken advantage of.

Vendetta
01-24-2008, 01:09 PM
I guess a cult is when the group or group leader acts like a control freak. When he/she cuts members off from family and friends. And of course when one or a small group controls all the money.
Not claiming to be an expert or anything. It's kinda like a bad marriage where one is abusive and another is being taken advantage of.
Well, you just pretty much described Scientology.

Kaden
01-24-2008, 01:20 PM
www.clambake.org is a great site for all your "why Scientology is scary as fuck" needs.

Kaden
01-26-2008, 12:16 PM
http://www.funnyordie.com/videos/3f716ffebe

Jerry O'Connell does it better.

Maverick
01-26-2008, 08:06 PM
Amen to the comment of Cruise being a looney tune! I have nothing against scientology. Did a little reading into it and decided it wasn't for me. I believe in freedom of religion. What I don't believe is anyone proclaming their's to be - THE ONE TRUE FAITH.


I believe in freedom of religion as well, but I am going to say this once and try to make it as clear as possible: SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT A FUCKING RELIGION!!

This particular cult was started by a failed science fiction writer (this should already be evidence enough) who needed a way to get money. If Tom Cruise and those other saps are too stupid to realize the blatant drivel they endorse, they deserve to be called freaks and be robbed of their money.

It's common sense, or the lack thereof. Those nutters believe that some intergalactic warlord massacred a bunch of aliens by throwing them into a volcano and now their spirits make us feel bad inside. Thankfully, L. Ron Hubbard has the answer! Just send your life savings to this address...

Kaden
01-26-2008, 10:17 PM
I believe in freedom of religion as well, but I am going to say this once and try to make it as clear as possible: SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT A FUCKING RELIGION!!

This particular cult was started by a failed science fiction writer (this should already be evidence enough) who needed a way to get money. If Tom Cruise and those other saps are too stupid to realize the blatant drivel they endorse, they deserve to be called freaks and be robbed of their money.

It's common sense, or the lack thereof. Those nutters believe that some intergalactic warlord massacred a bunch of aliens by throwing them into a volcano and now their spirits make us feel bad inside. Thankfully, L. Ron Hubbard has the answer! Just send your life savings to this address...

Scientology kills... just ask Lisa McPherson. Oh, wait... you can't. Scientologists killed her. Way to go Scientology.

IIFerinusII
01-26-2008, 11:19 PM
Hahahahahahahaha!!
"I wish I could go on vacation, but I can't.... .... ....because I know, I know, I just know."

OH SAVE ME TOM CRUISE!!!! I'm a person who is depending on you to save me!!!!...because you know!!!You just know!!!!

I also loved his random laughs of insanity throughout the interview. I wonder if the interviewer was huddled in the corner shaking during it.

Now, I don't mind Scientology because they are very optimistic and believe people are good and everything (though some of their stuff does go a little "over the edge" IMO), but of course they have nut jobs and one of their main nut jobs is one of the best known actors ever.

Kaden
01-27-2008, 09:49 AM
Very optimistic? Believe people are good? Which Scientology have you been shown?

This is the version I know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Nimue
01-27-2008, 12:48 PM
I believe in freedom of religion as well, but I am going to say this once and try to make it as clear as possible: SCIENTOLOGY IS NOT A FUCKING RELIGION!!

This particular cult was started by a failed science fiction writer (this should already be evidence enough) who needed a way to get money. If Tom Cruise and those other saps are too stupid to realize the blatant drivel they endorse, they deserve to be called freaks and be robbed of their money.

It's common sense, or the lack thereof. Those nutters believe that some intergalactic warlord massacred a bunch of aliens by throwing them into a volcano and now their spirits make us feel bad inside. Thankfully, L. Ron Hubbard has the answer! Just send your life savings to this address...

Correct. It isn't a religion. It's more of a philosophy. You can still be whatever religion you choose and a member of Scientology though it does seem a bit contrary to Christian belief.

I am not defending them mind you. I can also see where they may be considered cult. and the wole Thetan/evil overlord theory is a tad bizarre. I do like their antiwar doctrine though.

It is a bit odd that a 'non prescription drug' church would give them to a suffering woman though.

Maverick
01-27-2008, 01:13 PM
I am not defending them mind you. I can also see where they may be considered cult. and the wole Thetan/evil overlord theory is a tad bizarre. I do like their antiwar doctrine though.

A tad? I guess some people will believe anything. I heard about another cult that believes that 'heaven' is on a mothership located conveniently out of site and they must commit ritual suicide to get there. I forget what it's called, though.

The antiwar doctrine is good, although you'll find that most religions have one and a load of them still wage war. I am a Christian, and the teachings of Jesus state clearly that one should not fight and instead love his or her enemies. (The Bible also states multiple times that an eye for an eye is just, but I won't get into that) If Christians are supposed to be peaceful, then what was that blurp in the Middle Ages called the Crusades? Aren't those supposed to be religiously motivated?

Kaden, I just watched the video you posted. I knew none of that. These people are insane. Thank you for posting it.

IIFerinusII
01-27-2008, 01:23 PM
Very optimistic? Believe people are good? Which Scientology have you been shown?

This is the version I know
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rCGP-0545EU

Well, on Wikipedia, under beliefs, that is what they said. Maybe Wikipedia is wrong on this one.

Kaden
01-27-2008, 09:31 PM
Correct. It isn't a religion. It's more of a philosophy. You can still be whatever religion you choose and a member of Scientology though it does seem a bit contrary to Christian belief.

It is NOT a philosophy. It's a CULT. A money draining, soul sucking, SCAM OF A CULT!!!

Faolan
01-27-2008, 10:23 PM
Well, on Wikipedia, under beliefs, that is what they said. Maybe Wikipedia is wrong on this one.

Wikipedia is user created, the majority of it's entries do not reference to the author and on top of that the people who edit the post in the first place. You can't count on it as a 100% accurate recourse because of that. That is why when one sights information one needs to cross-reference what they find out. I'm not here to nitpick you, just friendly advice.

IIFerinusII
01-27-2008, 10:53 PM
Wikipedia is user created, the majority of it's entries do not reference to the author and on top of that the people who edit the post in the first place. You can't count on it as a 100% accurate recourse because of that. That is why when one sights information one needs to cross-reference what they find out. I'm not here to nitpick you, just friendly advice.

I am aware of this, which is why I said maybe Wikipedia is wrong on this one, but usually on big well-known topics, they are usually pretty spot on. Sorry, you are right though, I will cross-reference next time.;)

Vendetta
01-28-2008, 01:36 AM
A tad? I guess some people will believe anything. I heard about another cult that believes that 'heaven' is on a mothership located conveniently out of site and they must commit ritual suicide to get there. I forget what it's called, though.
You might be thinking of the Heaven's Gate cult, where the members actually DID commit suicide. They were gonna hitch a ride on the invisible "ship" in the tail of the Hale-Bopp comet.

Wikipedia is user created, the majority of it's entries do not reference to the author and on top of that the people who edit the post in the first place. You can't count on it as a 100% accurate recourse because of that. That is why when one sights information one needs to cross-reference what they find out. I'm not here to nitpick you, just friendly advice.
Just curious, while I'm not the biggest supporter of Wikipedia, where you get the idea that "most" entries are unsourced? Most of the entries ARE sourced, as ANY editor (and there are quite a few) who comes by and sees unsourced material will generally revert or delete it. And YES, their editors are fairly thorough and anal. I think this is a common misconception people have about Wikipedia. Would I use it as a source for a term paper (assuming I was still in school)? No. But it IS generally a legitimate resource, for people who don't mind doing a little fact-checking.

Vendetta
01-29-2008, 11:51 AM
God, more great stuff from Scientology:

Auditing Process R2-45, which is essentially shooting a person (an SP, usually.) Yeah, you heard right, shooting and killing a person, is considered a valid tactic for this "religion"!

Read more here. (http://www.xenu-directory.net/practices/r2-45.html)

Kaden
01-29-2008, 12:10 PM
This is just one more piece to the Scientology hate list of mine. I knew they were open to the idea of murder just not to this extent and detail.

Nimue
01-29-2008, 03:53 PM
It is NOT a philosophy. It's a CULT. A money draining, soul sucking, SCAM OF A CULT!!!

OOOOO-Kay. Appreciate the passion there.

Kaden
01-29-2008, 04:21 PM
I'm a very passionate SP.

Vendetta
01-29-2008, 04:33 PM
I'm a very passionate SP.
Hehe.

I can't see how ANYONE who reads even a little bit about Scientology isn't seriously creeped out by them.

Kaden
01-29-2008, 05:11 PM
I totally agree. LaFayette Ronald Hubbard was a crazy man.

http://www.ronthenut.org/

Nimue
01-30-2008, 12:20 PM
Very little 'freaks' me out.

I'm rather mellow I guess.

Kaden
01-30-2008, 12:25 PM
So a "religion" that encourages the assainaton of its critics doesn't wig you in even the slightest way?

Eldric
01-31-2008, 01:04 AM
I found this hilarious thanks for posting that link Kaden.

"Scientology Method:

First, take a drunken, drug-addled madman. Then, add a double-fistfull of various amphetamines, barbiturates, opiates and other drugs. Pour a bottle of rum down his throat and shake, not stir. Then sit said drunken, drug-addled madman in the throes of amphetamine psychosis down at a manual keyboard and have him pound out reams of bizarre gibberish.

Then charge thousands of dollars to show it to people who sign an agreement beforehand that says they won't sue if they go insane or develop the blind staggers from applying the material in the now-profitable drug-frenzied ravings.

If anyone disagrees, call them at three in the morning and then hang up when they answer for the next twenty- five years. Alternately, leave a dead cat on their front porch.

If experimental results do not verify the hypotheses of the crazed, drunken lunatic, report to Ethics immediately, you psych-indoctrinated pea brain mental midget!"

On another note I found this creepy little video on youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCbKv9yiLiQ&feature=bz303

Kaden
01-31-2008, 08:14 AM
Ah yes, the Anonymous group. I do loves them so.

Nimue
02-02-2008, 01:03 PM
So a "religion" that encourages the assainaton of its critics doesn't wig you in even the slightest way?


This is news to me. I saw nothing like that but I didn't delve deeply because I didn't consider what I did read all that valid.

Gilenea
02-03-2008, 07:46 PM
As a side note, Bill O'Reilly took a poll on his site, asking "Do you care about Tom Cruise?"

The results were astounding.

Out of all the people who answered the question, only 3% said they care about Tom Cruise. A resounding 97% could care less.

Gil

jordanhitler
02-03-2008, 07:56 PM
He really is. (http://www.wwtdd.com/post.phtml?pk=3383)

Don't mess with that guy, he'll kill you with his mind

(he can do that because he's a level 12 scientologist)

Kaden
02-03-2008, 09:01 PM
Actually I believe he's OT3

jordanhitler
02-04-2008, 01:27 PM
Actually I believe he's OT3

Right, sorry I was thinking of Robert Dinero.

Kaden
02-05-2008, 03:32 AM
Right, sorry I was thinking of Robert Dinero.

Dude, Deniro isn't a Scientologist.

UNODRAGONE
02-05-2008, 09:13 AM
He's catholic

http://www.adherents.com/people/pd/Robert_DeNiro.html


http://www.nndb.com/people/765/000023696/

Kaden
02-05-2008, 09:17 AM
Indeed he is. BIG difference there.

UNODRAGONE
02-05-2008, 09:51 AM
Sadly I also leanred he is only a quarter Italian :( oh well he is still my people :)

Kaden
02-05-2008, 02:11 PM
I'm only a quarter Italian... does that make me your people too?

Faolan
02-05-2008, 02:23 PM
Don't forget me Kaden... I'm VERY quarter Italian ;)

UNODRAGONE
02-06-2008, 07:25 AM
I'm only a quarter Italian... does that make me your people too?


you is my people :p

Vendetta
02-06-2008, 09:18 AM
For those of you following the whole Anonymous vs. Scientology thing that's been going down, might be cracked up by this...

Secret Pastafarian/FSM Video Exposed (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=41k-IJxPENc)

Anonymous Message to Pastafarians (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ATZvRyB364s)

Good times.

Kaden
02-08-2008, 01:56 PM
That is funny as hell. I didn't know Jack Sparrow was a Pastafarian.

Tux
02-10-2008, 11:46 AM
I found this interesting:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=SQKbHBqDwSI

I just wonder how far it will actually go.

Kaden
02-10-2008, 01:44 PM
I stand by Anonymous 100%.

I couldn't protest today, so instead I changed my myspace profile to reflect and sent out the Unfunny Truth About Scientology video.

Kaden
02-12-2008, 09:03 AM
Anonymous! Fuck yeah!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O875q2L7yiM

Next protest March 15th. I'm so going to be there.

Kaden
02-15-2008, 07:03 PM
A look at the build up to the world wide protests on Feb 10th.

http://www.dailymotion.com/SA-Anonymous/video/7341208

john the baptist
02-15-2008, 07:37 PM
Will there Be a protest in Oklahoma? If not could you tell me the closest state one will be in.

Kaden
02-15-2008, 07:41 PM
www.enturbulation.or g

Their forums will tell you everything you need to know. But above all... arm yourself with as much knowledge as possible and wear a mask.

john the baptist
02-15-2008, 07:54 PM
Will do. Do you remember how many people that video ,on page three, (I think) died?

Kaden
02-15-2008, 08:04 PM
I know its more than 20. Go to www.whyaretheydead.n et they have a comprehensive list.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 09:30 PM
I totally agree. LaFayette Ronald Hubbard was a crazy man.

You know, the most scary thing about Scientology is that I don't believe L. Ron Hubbard was crazy. A pathological liar and sociopath yes, but not insane. Everything he did, especially in connection with the so-called Church of Scientology, was planned with the explicit purpose of making him lots of money. These actions present of a sane and calculating mind, the real crazy people were the ones so desperate and foolish as to believe his lies and join Scientology. He preyed on the naive nature of humanity to seek out the most simple solution to any problem and bled his "followers" dry. He was probably the best con artist of our time and completely sane.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 09:32 PM
That only makes it worse you realize.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 09:39 PM
Unfortunately, of course.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 09:42 PM
If he was insane at least we could blame a disorder. If he's sane he's just a monster.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 09:48 PM
There are people who undoubtedly see L. Ron Hubbard as a lunatic chiefly because they are afraid and unable to see him for what he truly is. They are afraid to admit that sane men can be monsters and instead hide behind the fallacy that barbarism is reserved for the mad. There is no doubt in my mind that he was completely sane and indeed a monster.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 09:53 PM
That is what is the worst part. He IS a monster and IS snae. If only we could get rid of these people.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 10:02 PM
john the baptist, I've been thinking about your last post, and I don't think we should get rid of those types of people at all. By themselves, they are utterly harmless. Like cows to the slaughter, however, men and women flock to these monsters and endow them with their power. Instead of getting rid of people like L. Ron Hubbard, we need to get people to show a little common sense and not be fooled by the hollow promises presented by these people, thereby removing their power by removing their congregation of followers.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 10:05 PM
People go to whatever makes them happy. In the Scientologist religion they think that you're not to blame for your evil actions, therefor people will go to it. But if we got rid of Hubbard there wouldn't be a Scientology.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 10:11 PM
True, but that is nothing but a temporary fix. Sure, we can say that if we get rid of people like Hubbard these organizations would fall, but how would one do that? And even if one could, there is no possible scenario where another person like Hubbard would not come around in a few years. I believe that the only permanent solution would be to educate the masses that their actions have consequences and no matter how much they pay their problems will not go away. But, it seems that this is impossible as well.

Your horseman of the apocalypse may be coming sooner than we expected.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 10:13 PM
Ahh now you see it my way. We're all doomed no matter what. :( So sad we can't just lose the freaks like Hubbard though.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 10:22 PM
Damn, I've got this deep futile depression going on now and I think that I may have just become a nihilist. I'll see you after I go on my rampage and take out those pricks. Not really. (But Maybe)

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 10:24 PM
What's a nihilist?

Maverick
02-24-2008, 10:31 PM
There are different definitions each with a varying degree of scaryness, but the one that I personally learned is that a nihilist is a person that believes in nothing. More precisely, nothing matters. Life, death, and everything in between is completely futile and nothing truly exists. If you are worried by this, I am not a nihilist. It was meant as a joke, but I just got back from skiing all day and I am too tired to think of a proper one.

john the baptist
02-24-2008, 10:33 PM
No I like evil jokes it's okay. It wouldn't be to far from how I feel sometimes. A nihilist would be a good person to sick on these particular people.

Maverick
02-24-2008, 10:46 PM
No I like evil jokes it's okay. It wouldn't be to far from how I feel sometimes. A nihilist would be a good person to sick on these particular people.

It seems that most people have moments when they feel that way, but a true nihilist is a very lonely person. To believe in nothing would be to believe that love, friendship, and family is meaningless. I would pity someone who felt that way at all times, although I question its viability.

And with that, I bid you adieu. I'm going to bed.

UNODRAGONE
02-25-2008, 06:38 AM
wow


Nihilism is the belief that all values are baseless and that nothing can be known or communicated. It is often associated with extreme pessimism and a radical skepticism that condemns existence. A true nihilist would believe in nothing, have no loyalties, and no purpose other than, perhaps, an impulse to destroy. While few philosophers would claim to be nihilists, nihilism is most often associated with Friedrich Nietzsche who argued that its corrosive effects would eventually destroy all moral, religious, and metaphysical convictions and precipitate the greatest crisis in human history. In the 20th century, nihilistic themes--epistemological failure, value destruction, and cosmic purposelessness--have preoccupied artists, social critics, and philosophers. Mid-century, for example, the existentialists helped popularize tenets of nihilism in their attempts to blunt its destructive potential. By the end of the century, existential despair as a response to nihilism gave way to an attitude of indifference, often associated with antifoundationalism.


http://www.iep.utm.edu/n/nihilism.htm

Spirit Wynd
03-22-2008, 10:05 PM
I'm kind of a special case here, being a Therian, and an atheist, but also having Paganistic beliefs thrown in there somewhere. But one of the main things I go by is not flaming people for their beliefs. I don't hold life in high regard, and could as easily kill you as shack your hand, but living in a fascist environment where people are not able to speak their thoughts, is worse then, or equal to, being dead in my book. I don't agree with Tom Cruise, and I certainly think he could have been a bit less opposing then he had been, but I will not bash him for his views, and don't think anyone else should either...but then again, if I were to force that on you, that would make me a hypocrite...

Faolan
03-23-2008, 10:22 PM
Right you are that would be hypocritical. By the way... you being atheist... and pagan well what does it have to do with anything?

You see none of us care about the religion itself. Hell if you think your toaster is the supreme leader of all time and space then thats your right! Now if you believe that same toaster has the right to separate your families apart because others don't agree with you, thats where we draw the line. Among other things.

The Church of Scientology is that evil toaster. In all seriousness the protesters have thus far been nothing but peaceful. True, there where some people who made harassing phone calls and denial of service attacks. However the Anonymous group owned up to it. The church however is doing everything they can to try to incriminate them. I hope you see where I'm getting at.

Spirit Wynd
03-24-2008, 06:39 PM
I am aware of Anonymous, and aware of what the Co$ is doing to their followers. I am, of course, against it. But I have never seen anything to state that Tom Cruise is part of the Co$. I do know Scientologists that are outside the church, and simply sympathize with the beliefs. Since non of you know Tom Cruise personally, I think you should refrain judgment.

Faolan
03-24-2008, 09:17 PM
I am aware of Anonymous, and aware of what the Co$ is doing to their followers. I am, of course, against it. But I have never seen anything to state that Tom Cruise is part of the Co$. I do know Scientologists that are outside the church, and simply sympathize with the beliefs. Since non of you know Tom Cruise personally, I think you should refrain judgment.

Tom Cruise on Tom Cruise Scientologist. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O2_rZIgrQI)

Listen to him rant like a mad man about how Scientology is the ONLY way to live.

"We are the authorities..."

"I won't hesitate to put ethics in someone..."

"Your on board or your not on board..."

I've heard evangelicals sound less zealous. Also really read in between the lines with what he is talking about when he speaks about "SP"s.

Also look at this video.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TIl0VYQjaNY&feature=related

Watch as the Co$ pretty much made up a medal and a title just for their precious star. Listen to how Mr. Cruise speaks the audience.

"So what do you say? Are we going to clean this place up?"

This is a RALLY speech. He is telling these people "David is our leader and we will do what he says."

He is the Goebbels of Scientology or at least he is trying to be.

http://www.daserste.de/goebbels/img/goebbels1.jpg

BTW for those who are German or German descent I don't mean to offend you but Mr.Cruise's actions just oddly reminds me of this despicable human being. Germany has for years been trying to reconstruct their world image sense WWII, and I hope they continue with their national healing from those times. What Mr.Cruise is doing is promoting to a world audience that Scientology (Which is a Totalitarian Organization) is the authority and the only way to live. Goebells did the same for his Für during the Nazi's reign.

Spirit Wynd
03-25-2008, 05:21 PM
Wow...but, then again, there are Rallies for many different things. Forceful arguments have been used in Christian Rallies, Abortion rallies, and yes, Nazi rallies. I just don't see how we can be sure unless he comes out and says "I support and stand with the Co$." If he's said that, or something equal to that, then I'll, of course, eat my words. But I think we must be very careful to distinguish the Co$ from devout Scientologists separate from the Church.

Kaden
03-25-2008, 08:28 PM
He's best friends with the head of the church, David Miscavige. I doubt he's aware of the crimes the church commits (otherwise I'm sure he'd defect) but he most certainly is in deep.

Vendetta
03-26-2008, 08:32 AM
But I think we must be very careful to distinguish the Co$ from devout Scientologists separate from the Church.
Huh? This... this doesn't make sense. If you are a devout Scientologist then you pretty much support the church. Their "religion" is organized that way.

Spirit Wynd, I would recommend you do a little reading up on the CoS and Cruise before posting any more in this thread.

I doubt he's aware of the crimes the church commits (otherwise I'm sure he'd defect) but he most certainly is in deep.
Why do you doubt he's aware, and why would you assume he'd defect. If he's shown anything it's that he thinks Scientology is the only way, and I'm pretty sure that he'd have no problem with the ends justifying the means.

Kaden
03-26-2008, 09:06 AM
The main reason I doubt he's aware is the fact that I seriously don't think the "Church" would risk letting their elite stars in on their dark little secrets. Does Tom know that his "Golden Room" in Clearwater was built by the slave labor known as the RPF?

Vendetta
03-26-2008, 09:19 AM
The main reason I doubt he's aware is the fact that I seriously don't think the "Church" would risk letting their elite stars in on their dark little secrets. Does Tom know that his "Golden Room" in Clearwater was built by the slave labor known as the RPF?
Well maybe, but that's a bit like stars turning a blind eye to the fact that wherever they go they are waited on hand-and-foot by people who are probably paid next to nothing. Not to mention the scores of possible undocumented workers who keep their homes clean and landscape their palatial estates.

Kaden
03-26-2008, 09:21 AM
This is also true. I'd hate to think that he actually knows about the crimes. I doubt some of the newer celeb Scientologists know the full extennt though.