sterilization becomes law in LA

[LV426]

Pet sterilization becomes law in LA (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080226/ap_on_re_us/pet_sterilization)

Tue Feb 26, 5:52 PM ET

LOS ANGELES - Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Tuesday signed one of the nation's toughest laws on pet sterilization, requiring most dogs and cats to be spayed or neutered by the time they are 4 months old.


The ordinance is aimed at reducing and eventually eliminating the thousands of euthanizations conducted in Los Angeles' animal shelters every year.

"We will, sooner rather than later, become a no-kill city and this is the greatest step in that direction," Councilman Tony Cardenas said as he held a kitten at a City Hall news conference.

The ordinance does exempt some animals, including those that have competed in shows or sporting competitions, guide dogs, animals used by police agencies and those belonging to professional breeders.

The average pet owner, however, must have their dog or cat spayed or neutered by the time it reaches 4 months of age (as late as 6 months with a letter from a veterinarian).

First-time offenders will receive information on subsidized sterilization services and be given an additional 60 days. If they still fail to comply they could be fined $100 and ordered to serve eight hours of community service. A subsequent offense could result in a $500 fine or 40 hours of community service.

Many states require animals adopted from shelters to be sterilized, and New York City requires the same for animals bought from pet shops, but restrictions such as Los Angeles' are rare. A 2006 Rhode Island law requires most cats to be sterilized.

A measure similar to Los Angeles' passed the California Assembly last year but did not gain state Senate support.

Los Angeles animal shelters took in 50,000 cats and dogs last year and euthanized approximately 15,000 at a cost of $2 million, according to city officials.

Bob Barker, the retired game-show host who famously ended every "Price is Right" show with a call for sterilizing pets, pushed for the law's adoption and was among those at Tuesday's news conference.

"The next time that you hear me say, 'Help control the pet population, have your pet spayed or neutered,' I can add, 'It's the law in Los Angeles,'" a jubilant Barker said.

[xxMatolfxx]

This is rediculous. If I was an animal I wouldn't want my balls chopped off.

[john the baptist]

It's cruel. I wouldn't want my balls cut off either. It's a good idea, but cruel!

[Kaden]

I think this is a great idea. It reduces the amount unwanted pets roaming the streets and being killed in the shelters. I support this bill.

[MorganaFang]

Still waiting on this to happen for sex offenders.

[john the baptist]

Now that is a good idea.

[Kaden]

Still waiting on this to happen for sex offenders.

Morgana, I love you for that statement. I really, really do.

[UNODRAGONE]

I think it's about time it's sad we have to force people to be good sound pet owners! It's not hurting the animal, they are asleep through the entire process and feel nothing except groggy later (a lot less pain then lets say,... given birth :) ) If sterilizing an animal means one less animal will be put to death, then I don't see how it is a bad thing but a great thing!

[YoungFang]

Dissapointed, I though the title refered to people. You mislead me LH :P
On the article, what happens if you want to breed some pedegree pups for example?

[UNODRAGONE]

Dissapointed, I though the title refered to people. You mislead me LH :P
On the article, what happens if you want to breed some pedegree pups for example?


there fine

Pet sterilization becomes law in LA

Tue Feb 26, 5:52 PM ET

LOS ANGELES - Mayor Antonio Villaraigosa on Tuesday signed one of the nation's toughest laws on pet sterilization, requiring most dogs and cats to be spayed or neutered by the time they are 4 months old.


The ordinance is aimed at reducing and eventually eliminating the thousands of euthanizations conducted in Los Angeles' animal shelters every year.

"We will, sooner rather than later, become a no-kill city and this is the greatest step in that direction," Councilman Tony Cardenas said as he held a kitten at a City Hall news conference.

The ordinance does exempt some animals, including those that have competed in shows or sporting competitions, guide dogs, animals used by police agencies and those belonging to professional breeders.
The average pet owner, however, must have their dog or cat spayed or neutered by the time it reaches 4 months of age (as late as 6 months with a letter from a veterinarian).

First-time offenders will receive information on subsidized sterilization services and be given an additional 60 days. If they still fail to comply they could be fined $100 and ordered to serve eight hours of community service. A subsequent offense could result in a $500 fine or 40 hours of community service.

Many states require animals adopted from shelters to be sterilized, and New York City requires the same for animals bought from pet shops, but restrictions such as Los Angeles' are rare. A 2006 Rhode Island law requires most cats to be sterilized.

A measure similar to Los Angeles' passed the California Assembly last year but did not gain state Senate support.

Los Angeles animal shelters took in 50,000 cats and dogs last year and euthanized approximately 15,000 at a cost of $2 million, according to city officials.

Bob Barker, the retired game-show host who famously ended every "Price is Right" show with a call for sterilizing pets, pushed for the law's adoption and was among those at Tuesday's news conference.

"The next time that you hear me say, 'Help control the pet population, have your pet spayed or neutered,' I can add, 'It's the law in Los Angeles,'" a jubilant Barker said.

[dirtyrat]

Dissapointed, I though the title refered to people. You mislead me LH :P

People are NEXT. :eek:

[UNODRAGONE]

if I wasn't so pro choice....I would wish for some people they would!!

[Kaden]

It has nothing to do with pro choice, it has to do with Pro Human Race. If we neuter certain people, we can be certain they'll never have babies to abort.

[Tempest]

It's cruel. I wouldn't want my balls cut off either. It's a good idea, but cruel!

Hmph, is it more cruel to cut off dog balls, or to euthenize thousands of puppies because no one wants them? Personally I don't see spaying/neutering as cruel but more as a necessary procedure. I'd personally feel relieved if I didn't have to have any more periods...
I fully support this legal action and I hope it's only a matter of time before more and more cities take on these laws.

[LV426]

People are NEXT. :eek:

You'd be the first one on the list, then john the baptist.

[Faolan]

You know... I wouldn't mind the act of sterilization of people with IQ's below 80 by the time they reach puberty. :p

[BlackRosePhantom]

You know... I wouldn't mind the act of sterilization of people with IQ's below 80 by the time they reach puberty. :p

Holy F@cking Shit. That would be over 50% of the students in my grade!

[UNODRAGONE]

It has nothing to do with pro choice, it has to do with Pro Human Race. If we neuter certain people, we can be certain they'll never have babies to abort.


pro choice
One entry found.

pro-choice



Main Entry: pro–choice
Pronunciation: \(ˌ)prō-ˈchȯis\
Function: adjective
Date: 1975
: favoring the legalization of abortion
— pro–choic·er \-ˈchȯi-sər\ noun

[Kaden]

I know what pro-choice is. I'm not saying that people wont still get abortions. Just that fewer will.

And I'm pro-life btw.

[UNODRAGONE]

I know what pro-choice is. I'm not saying that people wont still get abortions. Just that fewer will.

And I'm pro-life btw.

I think if kids had a stronger family back ground and morals they would be less likely to go out and get pregnant. The problem these days is that parents are too busy working and letting TV school their kids that their kids seem to do what ever they want. I would think I would never get an abortion but you never know how you will feel in certain situations but I do know I have no right to tell someone else what they can do with their body

[Kaden]

I believe that there are in fact certain circumstances where abortion is okay. I'm not one of those crazy staunch pro-lifers. I'm a more realistic pro-lifer. I do agree with you that children aren't being raised properly and the pregnancy rates are increasing because of it.

I'm just grateful that my parents raised my sister and me well.

[Vendetta]

Still waiting on this to happen for sex offenders.
The problem with this has to do with the definition of sex offender. Also, what do you do to female sex-offenders? Hysterectomy?

[greggchamberlain]

This is rediculous. If I was an animal I wouldn't want my balls chopped off.

not many animals do. though if you asked some of the hardcore S&M types among humans, well...

;)

anyway, to be more serious...not sure i like the idea of mandatory sterilization after four months.

now i would agree that if a person's dog or cat ends up in the pound then they are subject to sterilization before return to their owners, since the owners showed less-than-complete responsibility in the first place or the animal would not have gotten lost.

still, i can understand WHY los angeles might do this. not just the basic idea of control pet population but also attempt to reduce the number of feral pets that may be roaming around loose now and the disease and other hazards they pose as well as the expense of maintaining animal shelters and animal control programs.

[Sazabi]

The problem with this has to do with the definition of sex offender. Also, what do you do to female sex-offenders? Hysterectomy?

This. out of every 40 people on my caseload last summer, the majority of them were decent people who were classified sex offenders for stupid shit like urination in public when they got drunk or having sex with a 16 year old who told them they were 18. Castration for that is cruel and unusual punishment.

[greggchamberlain]

the bit about people getting caught pissing in public (which i suspect is a result of complete inebriation in most cases) demonstrates a sad fact of life...

not enough common sense is used by some investigators, court officials, etc. in applying the sex offender registration regulation.

so you have people labelled in the official records as sex offenders for that kind of drunken stupidity.

it would be the same as using any charge more severe than "public disturbance" or "vandalism" or "public drunkeness" against the twits up here who got caught peeing on the war memorial in ottawa during one canada day celebration in the downtown.

the fact that the incident got reported in newspapers and these guys got the joy of seeing their names in print, to the shame of their families, and then had to go and explain to the judge later why they did what they did proved punishment enough for them. that along with a basic fine and community service term.

anything worse, even a weekend in jail, would have been like using a hammer to kill a mosquito.

[UNODRAGONE]

the bit about people getting caught pissing in public (which i suspect is a result of complete inebriation in most cases) demonstrates a sad fact of life...

not enough common sense is used by some investigators, court officials, etc. in applying the sex offender registration regulation.

so you have people labelled in the official records as sex offenders for that kind of drunken stupidity.

it would be the same as using any charge more severe than "public disturbance" or "vandalism" or "public drunkeness" against the twits up here who got caught peeing on the war memorial in ottawa during one canada day celebration in the downtown.

the fact that the incident got reported in newspapers and these guys got the joy of seeing their names in print, to the shame of their families, and then had to go and explain to the judge later why they did what they did proved punishment enough for them. that along with a basic fine and community service term.

anything worse, even a weekend in jail, would have been like using a hammer to kill a mosquito.

I agree with you on the whole peeing aspect, what do you think should be done with sex offenders?

[Sazabi]

I agree with you on the whole peeing aspect, what do you think should be done with sex offenders?

The same thing thats being done now, with more focus on VSPs and less focus on stat rape of 16 year old+.

[greggchamberlain]

I agree with you on the whole peeing aspect, what do you think should be done with sex offenders?

okay, my ultra-radical/reactionary side has decided to speak up...

rapists and child molesters (whatever gender) get one bullet to the temple.

other sexual predators decide on case-by-case basis (yeah, i will volunteer to do the dirty work...i am hardened enough about this after my past court coverage of sex cases in my own communities) with corporal punishment to be determined (plus immediate financial compensation for the victims and, trust me, BANKRUPTCY DECLARATIONS AIN'T GONNA HOLD WATER!).

other sexual offenders of a lesser nature also decided on case-by-case basis with property confiscation and/or fines common results and, bet on it, there are going to be a lot of "public humiliation" orders here too.

i have found public shaming to be a more effective deterrent for many to prevent repeat incidents and also discourage potential first-time offenders. certainly didn't see as many people showing up in court in revelstoke for petty stuff or even impaired charges once folks clued in that i did attend the weekly provincial and the monthly or bimonthly supreme court sessions in town and i would report on the guilty cases And Name Names!

even, i am happy to say, made an enemy of one guy who didn't like having his name show up in the court reports. but he soon started cleaning his act up when he couldn't bully me into either printing an apology or a "correction/retraction" like he wanted.

ah, those were my glory days as a journalist. the scourge of evildoers everywhere.

:D

yeah, i know. the freakazoid me managed to slip in here.

:D

[greggchamberlain]

The same thing thats being done now, with more focus on VSPs and less focus on stat rape of 16 year old+.

okay, not understanding the one acronym.

VSP is...? victim something or other?

[RQ]

okay, not understanding the one acronym.

VSP is...? victim something or other?
Violent sexual predators.

I'm all for it, but it'll never happen.

Idiocracy, here we come.

[greggchamberlain]

[QUOTE=Red_Queen;2613 34]Violent sexual predators.

QUOTE]

sigh

been a long time since my college criminology program.

i am a bit out of touch.

[Sazabi]

Idiocracy, here we come.

If it means I get to live in a world where BRAWNDO is cheap enough to water my plants with, hell yes!

[BlackRosePhantom]

okay, my ultra-radical/reactionary side has decided to speak up...

rapists and child molesters (whatever gender) get one bullet to the temple.

Even the hot teacher child molesters? You know, the kind you wish you had as a teacher when you were in school to get 'molested' by?

[Layira Aura]

Even the hot teacher child molesters? You know, the kind you wish you had as a teacher when you were in school to get 'molested' by?

That is probably one of the most disturbing things I have ever read in my entire life.

[LV426]

That is probably one of the most disturbing things I have ever read in my entire life.

Even more so because he's like gay n stuff.

[BlackRosePhantom]

That is probably one of the most disturbing things I have ever read in my entire life.

Even more so because he's like gay n stuff.

I wasn't talking about myself. -_- I was talking about the 28 or so blond female teachers that seem to be on the news a lot lately for 'molesting' their 15-year-old male students.

[Sazabi]

I wasn't talking about myself. -_- I was talking about the 28 or so blond female teachers that seem to be on the news a lot lately for 'molesting' their 15-year-old male students.

Yeah, those kids always end up with a host of confidence issues and psychosocial defects that take years of therapy to undo. thats so hot!

[UNODRAGONE]

I think this is the case BRP is referring to

http://www.tabloidcolumn.co m/debbie-lafave.html

[Kaden]

She looks like someone who'd do those Girls Gone Wild shit videos when she was in college.

[Vendetta]

She looks like someone who'd do those Girls Gone Wild shit videos when she was in college.
You DO know the majority of the girls who "do" those videos often don't do them willfully, right?

[UNODRAGONE]

You DO know the majority of the girls who "do" those videos often don't do them willfully, right?


actually there is a waiting list for the girls since so many sign up (my cousin is trying to get in)

[Vendetta]

actually there is a waiting list for the girls since so many sign up (my cousin is trying to get in)
Those girls who "sign-up", how many of them do think are actually on the videos? Joe Francis is a douche and manipulates women and OFTEN films them without their consent.

Just because your cousin is a retard who has no problem objectifying herself, doesn't mean she'll be in a Girls Gone Wild video.

[UNODRAGONE]

Those girls who "sign-up", how many of them do think are actually on the videos? Joe Francis is a douche and manipulates women and OFTEN films them without their consent.

Just because your cousin is a retard who has no problem objectifying herself, doesn't mean she'll be in a Girls Gone Wild video.


thats an ignorant statement to make about someone you do not know but I don't expect any more from you but since you know so much about the subject I will assume you yourself have tried to enroll in it as well.

Little side note, I would never do what she is doing or has done nor do I really agree with it, but I also wouldn't sit here and talk shit about something I myself haven't experienced or call someone names for doing something they want or something I myself wouldn't do

[Vendetta]

thats an ignorant statement to make about someone you do not know but I don't expect any more from you but since you know so much about the subject I will assume you yourself have tried to enroll in it as well.

Little side note, I would never do what she is doing or has done nor do I really agree with it, but I also wouldn't sit here and talk shit about something I myself haven't experienced or call someone names for doing something they want or something I myself wouldn't do
I'm sorry that my opinion that anyone who wants to objectify themselves and be in a lowest-common denominator "video" is a moron, bothers you.

Also, I'd wager cash that your cousin doesn't know a thing about Mantra Films or Joe Francis, and I'd call wanting to work for people you don't know anything about pretty stupid, yeah.

[UNODRAGONE]

I'm sorry that my opinion that anyone who wants to objectify themselves and be in a lowest-common denominator "video" is a moron, bothers you.

Also, I'd wager cash that your cousin doesn't know a thing about Mantra Films or Joe Francis, and I'd call wanting to work for people you don't know anything about pretty stupid, yeah.


judging by your non response to my question of you yourself enrolling in it I would wager to say you are in that 'stupid' catagory as well

[MorganaFang]

If is a pretty well known fact, especially after Francis was put in prison, that have done some very non kosher things to women. However when a women puts herself willingly into that position like say signing up well they can get away with it.

Now the guys gone wild videos are hilarious because it really does not take much to get a twenty something guy to strip or whip out his peen.

[Vendetta]

If is a pretty well known fact, especially after Francis was put in prison, that have done some very non kosher things to women. However when a women puts herself willingly into that position like say signing up well they can get away with it.

Now the guys gone wild videos are hilarious because it really does not take much to get a twenty something guy to strip or whip out his peen.
Certainly less booze.

Also, when I was in my early 20s they didn't have Girls/Guys gone wild videos.

[MorganaFang]

Also, when I was in my early 20s they didn't have Girls/Guys gone wild videos.

Back then people actually went to parties and clubs to see that shizz instead of watching it on video or teh internetz.

Man if a woman wants to objectify herself to get money, I am fine with that but there seriously is better ways then getting drunk and all kinds of sexually "assualted" on camera. Whatever they pay and/or offer seriously cannot be worth the hangover and long lasting humilation those tacky pits of video provide.

I present Dita Von Teese as an example of how to really make it work. The only long lasting humilation for her is ever having boned Marylin Manson. :p

[Kaden]

Wow, this has gotten way off topic but its a really interesting debate now.

[greggchamberlain]

confusing for me.

other than the Girls Gone Wild reference, i have NO idea who any of these other people are that are named (though i gather the guy with the jail term was the original creator of the Girls Gone Wild stuff).

:confused:

[dirtyrat]

the bit about people getting caught pissing in public (which i suspect is a result of complete inebriation in most cases) demonstrates a sad fact of life...
Back in Missouri, my hometown :) , if you didn't stop on the side of the road and take a leak -THEN there was something wrong with you. I however live in the big city now, and thus refrain from enjoying outside peeing. :(

[greggchamberlain]

soooo...THAT is Missouri is known as the "show me" state!

:D