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Lance Walker
03-03-2008, 12:33 AM
Just saw this article on yahoo.com today and it got me to wondering. Do you guys think we might see Russia revert back to the way it was when it was part of the Soviet Union, due to the results of this past election and on the clamping down of political opposition by Putin? And do you think if that were to happen, could the Soviet Union possibly reform since Putin has already expressed a desire in the past to see Russia in it's former glory like it was in the days of the Soviet Union and complained that the United States shouldn't be the only superpower in the world. That and a few years ago he also expressed a desire for some of the old Soviet states to join up with Russia such as the Ukraine.

I've previously posted this topic back when Putin announced his plans to maintain power behind the scenes but since I didn't want to risk reviving a zombie thread, think of this as an update thread.

Without futher ado, here's the article.


Putin, Medvedev pledge unified path

By VLADIMIR ISACHENKOV, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 12 minutes ago



MOSCOW - Dmitry Medvedev, the man Vladimir Putin hand-picked to be his successor, scored a crushing victory in Russia's presidential election Sunday, a result that was long anticipated but that still raises questions about who will run this resurgent global power.

Medvedev had more than 70 percent of the vote with 97 percent of the precincts counted, according to the Central Election Commission. He is expected to rule in concert with his mentor, an arrangement that could see Putin calling the shots despite his constitutionally subordinate position as Russia's prime minister.

Medvedev, 42, the youngest Russian ruler since the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, is expected to heed Putin's advice, continue his assertive course with the West, maintain state control over Russia's mineral riches and freeze out real opposition movements.

"We will increase stability, improve the quality of life and move forward on the path we have chosen," Medvedev said Sunday, appearing alongside Putin at a celebration at the Red Square outside the Kremlin. "We will be able to preserve the course of President Putin."

Putin said Medvedev "has taken a firm lead" and congratulated his protege.

"Such a victory carries a lot of obligations," Putin said. "This victory will serve as a guarantee that the course we have chosen, the successful course we have been following over the past eight years, will be continued."

Medvedev ran against three rivals apparently permitted on the ballot because of their loyalty to the Kremlin line. But the two candidates — Communist Party chief Gennady Zyuganov and ultranationalist Vladimir Zhirinovsky — still alleged violations after the voting ended.

Zyuganov, Medvedev's nearest challenger with 18 percent, said he would dispute the result. Zhirinovsky threatened to do so as well before backing down.

Some voters complained of pressure to cast ballots for Medvedev, and critics called the election a cynical stage show to ensure unbroken rule by Putin and his allies.

Sunday's vote came after a tightly controlled campaign and months of political maneuvering by Putin, who appeared determined to keep a strong hand on Russia's reins while maintaining the basic trappings of electoral democracy and leaving the constitution intact.

Medvedev has said he would propose making Putin his prime minister, and Putin has said he would agree. But in Russia, the premier wields significantly less power than the president, and Putin may find his new chair narrow and confining.

At a news conference early Monday, Medvedev was asked who would run foreign affairs — him or the prime minister. "Under the constitution, the president determines foreign policy," he said.

After eight years in the international limelight, Putin may miss the job of representing Russia in gatherings of world leaders.

The first test could be the July summit of Group of Eight leading industrialized nations: If Putin goes alone or accompanies Medvedev, that could signal his reluctance to relinquish control.

Russia had two rulers — a diarchy — in the 17th century, when the first Romanov czar, Mikhail, served along with his father, Patriarch Filaret. In the early 1920s, Josef Stalin briefly shared power with Vladimir Lenin, the Bolshevik leader and founder of the Soviet state.

The Putin-Medvedev tandem could encourage a revival of classic Kremlinology. During the Soviet era, Western experts painstakingly studied power shifts in the Kremlin by noting minute details of the public appearances of Communist Party leaders.

In particular, they looked for signs of tension or bad blood in body language, and of rising or falling influence based on where they stood on Lenin's Tomb during annual parades in Red Square.

Putin already has shown signs of discomfort with his new role as subordinate to his protege.

When a reporter at his last news conference in February asked him whether he would put the new president's portrait on his office wall, Putin answered dryly that he doesn't need to make such displays of loyalty.

Some officials who know Medvedev say privately that he is tougher than his appearance and demeanor may suggest and could show more resolve after his inauguration.

Medvedev has taken a liberal and pro-business posture during the campaign, avoiding Putin's harsh anti-Western rhetoric. But critics point that he helped engineer Putin's crackdown on political and media freedoms as one-time Kremlin chief of staff.

He also spearheaded the Kremlin's concept of making Russia an "energy superpower" as chairman of Gazprom state gas monopoly, strong-arming former Soviet neighbors and expanding Russia's control of Europe's energy supplies. Medvedev's landslide victory would give him the stature to defy Putin, in case of any potential rift with his mentor.

While most expect Medvedev to play second fiddle to Putin, the vast powers of the Russian presidency may tempt him to step out of his mentor's shadow.

Russian history shows that rulers often like to get rid of those who backed their ascent to power. Boris Berezovsky, who backed Putin's rise to power, fled abroad to escape money-laundering charges several months after his election.

Medvedev is the first Russian leader to succeed his predecessor according to a constitutional timetable; Putin became acting president first after Russia's first President Boris Yeltsin stepped down early, and only later won election.

But Medvedev's election was not a wide-open contest either.

Liberal opposition leaders Garry Kasparov and Mikhail Kasyanov were barred from running on technicalities, and voters across Russia say they were being urged, cajoled and pressured to vote in an effort to ensure that Medvedev scored a major victory.

Kasparov held his own protest against the election Sunday near Red Square. Escorted by a dozen riot police, he carried a plastic shopping bag that read: "I am not participating in this farce."

Polling stations offered enticements to voters: discounted food, office supplies, tickets to concerts. The enticements echoed the practices of the Soviet era, when hard-to-get items were available during carefully staged elections.

In a post-Soviet touch, some polling stations were set up in shopping malls.

The head of an independent Russian election monitoring group, Golos, said her organization was receiving a steady stream of complaints and reports of irregularities, including blatant attempts to influence voters and voters being "bought off."

"Most of problems appear to be occurring at the local level" in the provinces, where there is little scrutiny, Liliya Shabanova said.

Sofia, 25, a history teacher in a school in southwestern Moscow, said the principal required her and her colleagues to cast ballots at a polling station at the school.

"This is terrible; they are not leaving us any choice," said Sofia, who declined to give her last name out of fear of losing her job. She said she destroyed her ballot in protest.

Timofei Ryumin, 38, a doctor who lives in Russia's westernmost region, the Baltic city of Kaliningrad, said Medvedev's campaign seems "planned and coherent" and voted for him despite disappointment in the Kremlin's unfulfilled promises to provide cheaper housing for families like his.

"I don't see alternative leaders who could hold a firm grip on power," he said.

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Associated Press writers Mike Eckel, Mansur Mirovalev, Maria Danilova and Peter Leonard contributed to this report.

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080303/ap_on_re_eu/russia_presidential_ election;_ylt=Ak9pYE iQllGR1YqyYp1GzUu9Ix IF


Later,

Lance Walker

Sazabi
03-03-2008, 01:10 AM
Things are definitely shifting back towards cold war policies, but it's mostly Russia throwing an international temper tantrum going, "YOU GUUYYYYYYS, I'M STILL IMPORTANT!"

They recently started their T-95 wartime patrols and have reverted to some other former cold war methods. Meanwhile everyone else is just like, "Lol russia"

Lance Walker
03-04-2008, 02:27 PM
Update

Although this is largely a dispute between companies and perhaps a Russian company and the Ukrainian government, still I think this is a story with some serious political overtones that probably ties into this post as well. Personally, I see dark times ahead for Russia, the Ukraine and maybe Western Europe if stuff like this keeps happening.

I think if something doesn't happen to curb whatever the hell is going on inside of Russia we could see some sort of Cold war behavior resurface soon enough. I hope I'm wrong about this but I'm afraid I might not be.

Later,

Lance Walker:cool:

Russia imposes more gas cuts on Ukraine

By JIM HEINTZ, Associated Press Writer
1 hour, 2 minutes ago



MOSCOW - Russia's state-controlled natural gas monopoly on Tuesday slapped another harsh supply cut on Ukraine in a debt and contract dispute being watched nervously by customers in Western Europe.

Ukraine's natural gas company said there were no immediate plans to divert Europe-bound gas to supply Ukrainian customers, but held out the possibility it could do so if reserves run low.

Much of the Russian gas consumed in Europe comes in pipelines crossing Ukraine.

The Russian monopoly, OAO Gazprom, is demanding Ukraine sign documents resolving a $600 million debt dispute and enabling further gas deliveries. On Monday, it cut shipments by 25 percent.

Gazprom spokesman Sergei Kupriyanov announced another 25 percent cut on Tuesday evening and held out the possibility of further reductions.

A spokesman for Naftogaz, Ukraine's natural gas company, said earlier Tuesday that the company could begin diverting transit gas if the second cut were imposed. But after Kupriyanov's announcement, another spokesman said such a move was not in the immediate offing because of warm weather and substantial reserves.

"We will do that if our energy security is threatened. At the moment it is not," Valentyn Zemlyansky told The Associated Press in Kiev.

Siphoning off Europe-bound gas would be a deeply risky move for Ukraine, whose government is seeking closer ties with the West while trying to move out of Moscow's sphere of influence.

Gazprom portrays the cutoffs as a straightforward commercial dispute, but suspicions of a political agenda persist. Gazprom is controlled by the state and its chairman, Dmitry Medvedev, is Russia's president-elect.

Russia has watched with irritation as Ukrainian President Viktor Yushchenko pushes for membership in NATO and the European Union.

On Tuesday, Medvedev urged Kiev to pay the debt in a telephone conversation with Yushchenko, the Russian president-elect's office said.

Medvedev told Yushchenko that Russia "expects an intensification of Kiev's efforts for the swiftest resolution to the problem of debt for gas that has been delivered," Medvedev's office said.

The European Union "looks to the parties to make every effort to find a rapid and durable solution to their disagreement. In addition, we look to both parties to ensure that gas supplies to the EU remain unaffected," EU Energy Commissioner Andris Piebalgs said in a statement.

U.S. State Department spokesman Tom Casey urged the countries to resolve the dispute.

"Cutting off or reducing the flows of gas wouldn't appear to be the best way, I think, to resolve those differences," he told reporters in Washington. Casey called for a "predictable flow of energy" for Ukraine and the rest of the Europe.

Only about one-quarter of the gas imported by Ukraine is of Russian origin; the rest comes from Turkmenistan and Kazakhstan in pipelines controlled by Gazprom. Naftogaz said that by going ahead with the threatened reduction, Gazprom would be cutting the Central Asian gas as well as Russian-origin gas — a move that "grossly violates technical agreements between the two companies."

Gazprom last month threatened to cut supplies to Ukraine over a $1.5 billion debt dispute, timed to coincide with Yushchenko's visit to Moscow. That cutoff was avoided by a last-minute agreement between Yushchenko and President Vladimir Putin.

But documents formalizing that agreement have not been signed by Ukraine's natural gas company, and Gazprom says Ukraine still owes $600 million for gas delivered this year.

Zemlyansky said the current dispute centered on the controversial middlemen companies that are used in the gas trade; he did not elaborate.

Critics say the laborious arrangement is essentially a mechanism for siphoning money into private pockets and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko has called for direct dealings with Gazprom.

Both the Central Asian gas and the Russian-origin gas that Ukraine imports is purchased from RosUkrEnergo, an intermediary company half-owned by Gazprom and half by two Ukrainian businessmen. The gas in turn is sold to UkrGazEnergo — jointly owned by Naftogaz and RosUkrEnergo — which then supplies Naftogaz.

The agreement reached by Putin and Yushchenko last month foresaw the elimination of the intermediaries, but Gazprom President Alexei Miller later said two other middlemen operations would be created, each to be half-owned by Gazprom and Naftogaz. Tymoshenko has criticized the agreement.

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Associated Press Writer Maria Danilova in Kiev, Ukraine and Foster Klug in Washington contributed to this report.


Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080304/ap_on_re_eu/russia_ukraine_gas;_ ylt=AmDcIuxSn.BiN9It 0ji7CiKs0NUE

Fenrar
03-04-2008, 02:55 PM
In Soviet Russia, the Cow milks you!