This is Rather Interesting- Sun God.

[Daciana]

I can't even explain this in words... there's a video that's worth seeing to explain it. It's absolutely mind blowing and makes a scary amount of sense. Let me state now that I do not have a problem with Christianity. That's your own personal belief. Whether your Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan or Agnostic, this video is pretty DAMN interesting.

It definitely got me thinking.


Daciana


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q

[Cheater388]

Don't see why this video should be banned. Censored swear words. History and Geography relating to Bible and Religious Studies. It's much better to learn something in a video like this than to see the hundreds upon thousands of videos on the rest of Youtube that lower your IQ points instead of raise them.

Wow... that's quite enlightening (pun intended).

[Daciana]

Don't see why this video should be banned. Censored swear words. History and Geography relating to Bible and Religious Studies. It's much better to learn something in a video like this than to see the hundreds upon thousands of videos on the rest of Youtube that lower your IQ points instead of raise them.

Wow... that's quite enlightening (pun intended).

I couldn't agree more.


Daciana

[Fenris_brood]

already knew that the Sun was the true "god" but this video is very interesting, wonder if all of it is true....

[Daciana]

Thought I should mention that the link I posted earlier is just a segment from the movie "Zeitgeist". Zeitgeist meaning a generally intellectual moral and cultural climate of our era.

If you are interested in seeing the whole thing, here's the link:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.c om/main.htm

I'll state again for posterity's sake: I have nothing against Christianity or anyone's personal choice in religion, spirituality or beliefs. What you choose to believe is your own choice and you are entitled to it.

I am merely just posting this because it was interesting to me I thought it might give your brains some fodder for the gristmill. :)


Daciana

WARNING: Some parts of this video are graphic in nature and depressing.

[Fenrar]

I can't even explain this in words... there's a video that's worth seeing to explain it. It's absolutely mind blowing and makes a scary amount of sense. Let me state now that I do not have a problem with Christianity. That's your own personal belief. Whether your Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan or Agnostic, this video is pretty DAMN interesting.

It definitely got me thinking.


Daciana


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q

In a few words - Christianity just got WTFPWNED.
But don't expect this to convert any fundamentalists or any Catholics, for that matter. The one thing about Christians is that they will turn Paranoid at the first sign of irrefutable proof that Jesus was not divine, and God did not exist.

For that matter, most religions will turn paranoid if you denounce their Gods/prophet. Except Buddhism. Buddhists are AWESOME!!!!

[MorganaFang]

I seriously hate videos with awful excess sound, that completely detracts from anything message being taken seriously or even being listened to.

[Daciana]

In a few words - Christianity just got WTFPWNED.
But don't expect this to convert any fundamentalists or any Catholics, for that matter. The one thing about Christians is that they will turn Paranoid at the first sign of irrefutable proof that Jesus was not divine, and God did not exist.


For that matter, most religions will turn paranoid if you denounce their Gods/prophet. Except Buddhism. Buddhists are AWESOME!!!!


WTFPWNED Indeed! Ha ha. That was pretty funny, Fenrar.

Oh, I'm not expecting to convert anyone... that was not my intention for this thread. If I thought that I could convert anyone then you could just call me L. Ron Hubbard. :p

I just linked it because I found it interesting.

You're right about religious folk getting paranoid about their belief system when something or someone questions it; I agree with your observation. I, myself, prefer to remain open-minded and gather as much information as I can rather than just having something hand-fed to me and gobbling it down as the truth without doing any of my own research. *shrugs*

To each their own.


Daciana

[Daciana]

I seriously hate videos with awful excess sound, that completely detracts from anything message being taken seriously or even being listened to.

You really thought the music detracted from it?

I hardly even noticed it. Maybe I just tuned it out. :confused:

It's still a neat message though. I might have to watch it again and make a conscious effort to listen for the music.

Sorry it bothered you, Morgana.


Daciana

[UNODRAGONE]

WTFPWNED Indeed! Ha ha. That was pretty funny, Fenrar.

Oh, I'm not expecting to convert anyone... that was not my intention for this thread. If I thought that I could convert anyone then you could just call me L. Ron Hubbard. :p

I just linked it because I found it interesting.

You're right about religious folk getting paranoid about their belief system when something or someone questions it; I agree with your observation. I, myself, prefer to remain open-minded and gather as much information as I can rather than just having something hand-fed to me and gobbling it down as the truth without doing any of my own research. *shrugs*

To each their own.


Daciana

I am a real big believer of to each his own and not trying to convert anyone to my religion, but I could also care less when someone starts questioning my belief system or tries to show me proof it doesn't exist. People who allow outside people to influence what they believe and feel in their heart is right are weak pure and simple. I am strong in my faith and if the whole Jesus tomb thing didn't sway it, this doesn't stand a chance. I am open minded and will listen to info being presented, but I am extremley strong willed, your not changing my mind :) nor do I get paranoid :)

[ThrasherCub]

Considerably funnier, in my opinion, is that in Catholic mass when the priest holds the host on high, stretching his arms above his head, he's representing an erect penis. The halo disk behind the heads of saints represents both: it is a sun disk and the head of the penis, the body of the saint representing to shaft. Also note that the virgin Mary is almost universally depicted inside an oval shape which is directly representative of the vagina. In many Christian/Catholic sects either a part or an entire host is plunged into a cup of wine... and that's not hard to figure out what it represents: the host (representative of life - sperm), which was held in a phallic gesture (emanating from the end of the penis) is put into a cup (vagina) of red wine (menstrual blood) in order to represent new life on some level (pregnancy and birth).

Enjoy your sun-worshiping pagan sex-mass! :)

[Kaden]

Oh, I'm not expecting to convert anyone... that was not my intention for this thread. If I thought that I could convert anyone then you could just call me L. Ron Hubbard. :p


I love you. You are now my friend.

[ThrasherCub]

I love you. You are now my friend.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/ThrasherCub/Bashing/1194325174315.jpg


What, you don't appreciate my explanation on the weekly mass of the phallus!? I feel dejected and such!

[Kaden]

But she made a crack on L. Ron. How could I resist. I didn't say bestest friend or internet sister now did I?

[Daciana]

I am a real big believer of to each his own and not trying to convert anyone to my religion, but I could also care less when someone starts questioning my belief system or tries to show me proof it doesn't exist. People who allow outside people to influence what they believe and feel in their heart is right are weak pure and simple. I am strong in my faith and if the whole Jesus tomb thing didn't sway it, this doesn't stand a chance. I am open minded and will listen to info being presented, but I am extremley strong willed, your not changing my mind :) nor do I get paranoid :)


Understood. The whole "people get paranoid" doesn't apply to everyone. Just some people. Just like some people get freaked out by monkeys. The situation is different for everyone.

Wasn't trying to change your mind, UNODRAGON. :)

I would never attempt to change someone's mind when it comes to religious beliefs. My apologies if it came across that way.

Like I said before, I just though it was interesting stuff.

Remember, I have not even stated what my belief systems are or what religion I am. :)



Daciana

[ThrasherCub]

Remember, I have not even stated what my belief systems are or what religion I am. :)

And now that you've mentioned that, I am INTENSELY curious!

[UNODRAGONE]

Understood. The whole "people get paranoid" doesn't apply to everyone. Just some people. Just like some people get freaked out by monkeys. The situation is different for everyone.

Wasn't trying to change your mind, UNODRAGON. :)

I would never attempt to change someone's mind when it comes to religious beliefs. My apologies if it came across that way.

Like I said before, I just though it was interesting stuff.

Remember, I have not even stated what my belief systems are or what religion I am. :)



Daciana


you came across open minded and not pushy, I just wanted to throw it out there :) (hands out cookie)

[animmortalwound]

this was actually really intresting.

[ThrasherCub]

this was actually really intresting.

Indeed. Jesus' theme was even more popular than I knew. Not surprising that it gets banned though. Most people don't like being given the option of either their religion being a knock-off or that their god is actually some heathen deity.

[Daciana]

you came across open minded and not pushy, I just wanted to throw it out there :) (hands out cookie)

*Grabs the cookie and munches messily, speaking with a full mouth...*

Fanks! Fank you for shpeaking your mind. :D

*... finishes the cookie and hands UNODRAGONE a lollipop (or whatever kind of candy you find delectable).*

I do appreciate you speaking your mind, that's why we're all here, right?

Erm... maybe that's more of a rhetorical question. I'm sure I'll get some witty retorts to it now.



Daciana

[J.L.R.]

I can't even explain this in words... there's a video that's worth seeing to explain it. It's absolutely mind blowing and makes a scary amount of sense. Let me state now that I do not have a problem with Christianity. That's your own personal belief. Whether your Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, Pagan or Agnostic, this video is pretty DAMN interesting.

It definitely got me thinking.


Daciana


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2aW2N46vf4Q

However, he is also very ignorant a many different things. Jesus Christ was not born on December 25th, and in fact the reality is, He was probably born around June - August.

Secondly there was a celestial conjuction of Mars and Jupiter in the year 3 BCE. This accounts for the sudden appearance of a "star."

Also note Jesus was a real man as was noted by the historian Josephus. Josephus mentions Jesus twice in his Antiquities of the Jews. His first account was an indirect reference to Christ with the mention of James "the brother of Chirst." He later mentions Jesus as a man of miracles. There is some questions though in regards to the second passage as there are references to Josephus calling Christ Lord, as something to a contradiction, as Josephus himself wasn't a follower of Jesus Christ. Some skeptis assume that it was later written in by Catholic Priests most of whom translated the works... however, if they would go so far to "add" passages to Josephus' works, why would they leave a blantant account of Jesus having an earthly brother, as that would ruin all accounts of Mary staying a virgin for the rest of her life. Having read the complete passage myself, it reads more "tongue in cheek" than anything else.

Another issue is this, the Bible never credits the sun for being anything other than a celestial body. While other religions worshiped gods and goddesses of things, the ancient Jews worshiped the Eternal (in Hebrew it is El). Genesis reveals the sun, moon, stars, earth, and whot-knot to be creations by an invisible Creator, and not the other way around. This is unique to the ancient Hebrews alone.

The creator of this program spent time studying various religions, but fails to truly understand Christianity. Firstly the Catholics didn't create Christianity. That started when Constatine declared Rome a Christian state and mingled some of the more popular aspects of Roman paganism to make Christianity popular to the more paganistic Romans. Now that is historical. Before people cry foul, it is no different than what we see people doing now a days, with Churchatainment.

What about all the similarities? The reality is, if I was to truly study all of these religions out, I am going to find a number of things. A. they are going to be vague. B. Their differences are far going to out way their similarities, and C. He doesn't know what he is talking about, as I always find with most skeptics. They study everything but the Bible, but then again, if they did truly study the Bible, he would find out he was wrong, and couldn't bitch. :P

The reality is you are always going to find similarities and coincidences. I did a quick google of Horus, and I found some interesting things. A. Horus wasn't the son of a virgin. B. Horus didn't have 12 "disciples" C. Horus was not born on December 25th. Horus was resurrected (in certain mystery cults tellings) but he was resurrected as another god entirely!

Don't be fooled by ignorant videos with bad sound and unprofessional representation. The Bible says, "Study to show thyself approved." This person is just a dope.

[Daciana]

Don't be fooled by ignorant videos with bad sound and unprofessional representation. The Bible says, "Study to show thyself approved." This person is just a dope.

Those are all very good points, JLR. I'll definitely have to do some research into what you've called to my attention.

I was aware that Jesus' birthday was sometime in the summer. I know that Pope Gregory was the one that moved Jesus' birthday to December 25th in order to coincide with the Pagan holiday; among with many other Pagan celebratory holidays to coincide with the "christian version of things", such as Easter... whose name actually comes from Ostara (Pagan goddess of the spring and fertility) and Oestre (Pagan name for the spring fertility celebration that we now know as Easter).

http://home.earthlink.net/~yvonr/pagan/yearwheel/oestre.html

Ancient Egyptians paraded a manger and child representing Horus through the streets at the time of the winter solstice. Which is where the idea of Horus being born around the time of the winter solstice comes from. The comparisons of Horus and Jesus are many, however the similarities and differences and the specifics of those differences are summed up here:

http://www.religioustoleran ce.org/chr_jcpa5.htm

It is odd, though, that both Horus and Jesus had parents named Mary and Joseph.

The video on YouTube is just an excerpt from the original movie entitled "ZEITGEIST". Obviously, the person who chose to put the clip on YouTube had to do some alterations to the video to avoid copyright infringement or anything else. Or to avoid taking credit for work that wasn't his own.

Also, according to the person that posted the Video, YouTube has tried to censor and remove the excerpt several times.

The actual movie that the excerpt is from can be found here in it's entirety, if you're interested:

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.c om



Daciana

[Daciana]

I love you. You are now my friend.

Yay! I <3 Kaden. :D


Daciana

[Gilenea]

Good gravy. I have not found one thing wrong with Daciana. I think we have found the anti-Christ.

Gil

[LV426]

The Bible mentions a lot of things in it that actually occurred in other places at other times. There's no way to gauge whether these are separate occurrences that happened for each area or if they are just verbal legends that someone recorded and decided to make part of the religion. Like the flood. There are a lot of floods recorded by different religions and they all have a religious significance behind them as well as one guy that was prepared for it and had a boat fully stocked. Not to mention we know by the fossil record that the entire planet was never covered entirely in water.

This video is just pointing out that many civilizations and religions speak of a messiah of sorts and that they all have similar backgrounds and actions which herald their existence. This is not new information and is out there for anyone to read.

It wouldn't be the first time christianity stole something from another religion and made it their own.

[J.L.R.]

That would be true LV IF Christians created Christ, but they didn't. Jesus, being a Jew, started the movement with Jews. Jesus' ministry lasted for only 3 years and didn't outgrow its Jewish roots until after His death. Roman Catholics didn't make Jesus up. It is beyond ignorant to even consider this, since the Gospels were written between 50AD to 150AD, while the actual "Christian" church didn't come to fruition until around 300AD.

Christians didn't write the Bible, as most of the books were written some thousands of years before the Council of Nyceon.

Getting back on track.

LV is right on some things though, and I am going to touch on those right now. Themes of salvation, redemption, sacrifice, and a coming savior are plentiful across the spectrum of world religions, just as stories of creation, global floods, and so on. While the themes may be similar the means vary greatly.

I don't think the religions stole from one another, but their various interpretations came from the same source. If all human ancestors can be linked evolutionarily to one certain people (somewhere in Africa) then it is quite possible that all religions can be linked as well.

For thousands, possibly tens of thousands of years these stories were passed down verbally, and as each tribe went their own way, these stories were altered to suite the spiritual needs of the people telling them.

This does mirror significantly the Bible's explanation of where "religion" started, with the "man" recieving the awakening of God.

I must add another note here on this subject just so you know... The Bible doesn't say that the earth is only 6000 years old, nor does the Bible state that Adam and Eve were the first humans. In fact the word used in the text is, "Let us make man in our own image." While some Christians obviously differ on this account, the tense being used here is undoubtably different that what was applied to when God created the sun, moon, stars, and so on. We could believe that man was orignally like all other animals, benign to his existence, covered in fur like apes, as scientists believe he evolved, and God "changed" the nature of man and made him aware of himself and implanted in him a need to seek God.

darn it... out of time... I will write more later!

[RQ]

I try not to discriminate against Christianity.

All your Imaginary Friends are belong to crazy.

[LV426]

We could believe that man was orignally like all other animals, benign to his existence, covered in fur like apes, as scientists believe he evolved, and God "changed" the nature of man and made him aware of himself and implanted in him a need to seek God.
later!

Or they were scared shitless of things like forest fires, earthquakes, and large hungry predators and needed someone to hold their hand through the long dark night.

[Fenrar]

As my Custom User Title states, I'm not a big fan of religion. I don't hate, it's more of a heavy dislike for people who won't accept that his beliefs may be wrong. I'll jump at any chance to denounce it, quite simply because I'm agnostic. I'm not sure, and I want people to think about the things they worship and say "Hey, this might be all bullshit". If people then say, "I choose to disregard this and still be faithful, because I NEED to believe." Then, hell, I won't badger them.

But it's people who try to defend it. I know that sounds weird, but if they can't accept facts then they are idiots. As a rather cunning doctor once said "Religious People don't listen to rational arguments. Or else there would BE no religious people."

[J.L.R.]

As my Custom User Title states, I'm not a big fan of religion. I don't hate, it's more of a heavy dislike for people who won't accept that his beliefs may be wrong. I'll jump at any chance to denounce it, quite simply because I'm agnostic. I'm not sure, and I want people to think about the things they worship and say "Hey, this might be all bullshit". If people then say, "I choose to disregard this and still be faithful, because I NEED to believe." Then, hell, I won't badger them.

But it's people who try to defend it. I know that sounds weird, but if they can't accept facts then they are idiots. As a rather cunning doctor once said "Religious People don't listen to rational arguments. Or else there would BE no religious people."

Just as you dislike the fact that YOU could be wrong? And by the way... you are... so there ya go.

Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place.

These arguements only seem rational because you agree with them. Countless times and times again I've seen skeptics declare that the Bible is largely fictional or that Jesus Christ never existed, and yet there are monumental archeological evidence to prove other wise. Watch programs like the Naked Archeologist. Time and time again the creator of the program goes up against skeptics of the Bible who openly refuse to accept what is planly in front of their nose, because they simply don't want to accept that the Bible wasn't just made up.

Of all the skeptics of the Bible that I've run into in my life, I can honestly say I know of only ONE person who has studied her stuff, and that is LV. We've come to several disagreements, and I'm sure we will in the future, but at least she knows her stuff, however she is the minority.

People jump on bandwagons because they found similarities in multiple religions... big deal. I plan to go the Library today and return my books "Mohammed: Islam's Greatest General" and "Mars" both of which were great reads, and pick up some books on Egyptian mythology. It has been a while sense I last studied it. I don't trust the web to provide all my answers, as not everything that is printed online is completely accurate. I may start there as a starting point, but I love my Library.

[Hitodama]

I don't trust the web to provide all my answers, as not everything that is printed online is completely accurate. I may start there as a starting point, but I love my Library.
Neither are all books accurate either, as it all depends upon the author's "Lense". How they choose to interpret the material, and some even distort it for the purpose of manipulating and controlling others, the only thing you can do is read everything that you can, and determine for yourself what to and not to believe.

You may already know this though.

Anyway, I do agree with you about the point of not believing everything you read on the internet...(I'm still waiting for that free Xbox 360 that a pop-up told me about.)

[Daciana]

Good gravy. I have not found one thing wrong with Daciana. I think we have found the anti-Christ.

Gil


Mua ha ha. :D

Nah. I just like doing good old fashioned research. :)



Daciana

[Daciana]

As a rather cunning doctor once said "Religious people don't listen to rational arguments. Or else there would BE no religious people."


Amen. :)

Ha.

Which doctor said such? That is quite funny to me because I have met some of those people.

However, I have met some pretty darned religious people that have been very open to discussing beliefs and ideas that were not their own. They even discussed them rationally and logically. It was beautiful.

I suppose, like everything else, the rule does not apply to everybody. :)


Daciana

[Daciana]

Neither are all books accurate either, as it all depends upon the author's "Lense". How they choose to interpret the material, and some even distort it for the purpose of manipulating and controlling others, the only thing you can do is read everything that you can, and determine for yourself what to and not to believe.

You may already know this though.

Anyway, I do agree with you about the point of not believing everything you read on the internet...(I'm still waiting for that free Xbox 360 that a pop-up told me about.)


That's a very good point, Hitodama.

A lot of the religious literature out there was written by man and, as we all know, man is fallible. So of course there are going to be X number of versions out there of what may or may not have happened.

It's similar to 5 people witnessing a car accident. Person 1 will say, "Car 1 braked really hard and then Car 2 smashed into it."

Person 2 might say, "The driver of Car 2 was on his/her cell phone and wasn't watching and that's why it smashed into Car 1."

Yet Person 3 would give his/her account and say, "The person in Car 1 had road rage and braked really hard on purpose because Car 2 was tailgating and then they smashed."

Person 4 could say, "Car 2 smashed into Car 1 because a dog ran across the road and Car 1 put on it's brakes to avoid hitting the dog."

Then maybe Person 5 might say, "Car 2 hit Car 1 because purple flying monkeys swooped down out of the sky and started accosting the driver of Car 2, rendering it impossible for him/her to see that Car 1 had stopped."


Everyone has had different accounts of what happened and different versions. It's all based on how we interpret things and then chose to believe based on what we feel is right.

None of those people were wrong in describing what they saw in the car accident; it's just that they all saw something different and interpreted it differently.

Again I will state, to each his own.

Come to think of it... I'm still waiting for that free Xbox 360, too. Hmm. You know, while the internet is a good tool for research, it does have it's downfalls just like everything else; but really the Internet "is a place used the world over where people can come together to bitch about movies and share pornography together." Which I believe Ben Affleck said at some point in some movie or another. :D


Daciana

[Vendetta]

Neither are all books accurate either, as it all depends upon the author's "lens". How they choose to interpret the material, and some even distort it for the purpose of manipulating and controlling others, the only thing you can do is read everything that you can, and determine for yourself what to and not to believe.
While this CAN be true, it's easy enough to figure out if a book is accurate by checking it's sources. A book that is supposed to contain accurate information should have footnotes or appendices that list cited works. And if a book doesn't have these, well yeah, I probably wouldn't trust it 100%. As for author bias, well that's bound to crop up, but is usually easily identifiable.

[LV426]

Just as you dislike the fact that YOU could be wrong? And by the way... you are... so there ya go.

A. Have never read the Bible.
B. Never studied Biblical history.
C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point.




This also applies to 99.9% of Christians as well.

[Daciana]

I'm afraid that this is going to turn into a flame war.

When people (I'll refrain from naming a name) start blatantly and openly telling other people that they are wrong for what they believe in or what the believe to be truth, that's when things can start getting ugly.

Stop it.

This was supposed to be a discussion NOT an argument or a debate.

The original reason I posted the video excerpt was because I wanted to share it because I thought it was an interesting concept. I never said it was truth or that it was right. I wasn't trying to "prove Christianity wrong", get anyone riled up, stomp on anyones beliefs or question them. I certainly didn't start this thread with the intention of it causing people to get heated under the collar.

The original reason for this thread was to talk about the content in the video. To discuss the ideas and possibilities that the video conceptualizes.

Which I will now do.

I thought it was interesting about the correlation between the the 12 constellations and the 12 apostles.

Tell me what you all think about that.

Back on topic.


Daciana

[J.L.R.]

This also applies to 99.9% of Christians as well.

I was actually going to add that, but forget, but that is a good point. My new "hero" the Naked Archeologist guy, Simcha Jacobovici, made mention of just that when he was trying to hunt down the real Mt. Sinai. The current "supposed" Mt. Sinai that has been held for the last few thousand years, is completely contradictory to the sources in the Bible. Apparenly the only "archeology" that was used to determine its location was a bush in front of it. Then again, there ya go.

However, LV, as again, you are quite right. Very few Christians have read the Bible itself all the way through, nor have studied Biblical history, or ancient history for that matter, of which is why you get some of these crazy sects.

I help teach our young people at my church as well as give a montly lesson on Sunday nights, and the one thing I always stress is KNOW what you believe. Study the Bible itself.

It really depresses me to see so many "Christians" who don't even know the books of the Bible.

[UNODRAGONE]

I'm afraid that this is going to turn into a flame war.

When people (I'll refrain from naming a name) start blatantly and openly telling other people that they are wrong for what they believe in or what the believe to be truth, that's when things can start getting ugly.

Stop it.

This was supposed to be a discussion NOT an argument or a debate.

The original reason I posted the video excerpt was because I wanted to share it because I thought it was an interesting concept. I never said it was truth or that it was right. I wasn't trying to "prove Christianity wrong", get anyone riled up, stomp on anyones beliefs or question them. I certainly didn't start this thread with the intention of it causing people to get heated under the collar.

The original reason for this thread was to talk about the content in the video. To discuss the ideas and possibilities that the video conceptualizes.

Which I will now do.

I thought it was interesting about the correlation between the the 12 constellations and the 12 apostles.

Tell me what you all think about that.

Back on topic.


Daciana

I love learning about different concepts and ideas and how people think and thought this was presented well :)


side note: Daciana...thank you for pulling this back on topic and keeping it neutral :) you have proven to be a very valued member :)

[Daciana]

I love learning about different concepts and ideas and how people think and thought this was presented well :)


side note: Daciana...thank you for pulling this back on topic and keeping it neutral :) you have proven to be a very valued member :)




Thanks UNODRAGONE. :) I always try and remain objective when it comes to sensitive and highly volatile topic conversations. I really appreciate your comments and contributions. Thank you.

I, too, love learning new things, new concepts and new ideas. I feel one of the best ways to do that is to discuss concepts and ideas with other people. Everyone has new and different ideas.

I always like those moments when I go, "Huh... I never thought about it like that. Neat!"


Daciana

[UNODRAGONE]

Thanks UNODRAGONE. :) I always try and remain objective when it comes to sensitive and highly volatile topic conversations. I really appreciate your comments and contributions. Thank you.

I, too, love learning new things, new concepts and new ideas. I feel one of the best ways to do that is to discuss concepts and ideas with other people. Everyone has new and different ideas.

I always like those moments when I go, "Huh... I never thought about it like that. Neat!"


Daciana

my thoughts exactly :) I have a good imagination and thinking skills but sometimes people or things right in front of me surprise the hell out of me! Especially when you get to discuss them out openly it makes for a better understanding of yourself and the world around you :) I guess thats my Psychology side :) I love seeing how people think and what makes them think a certain way :) that or school is really getting to my head :(

[J.L.R.]

I'm afraid that this is going to turn into a flame war.

When people (I'll refrain from naming a name) start blatantly and openly telling other people that they are wrong for what they believe in or what the believe to be truth, that's when things can start getting ugly.

Stop it.

This was supposed to be a discussion NOT an argument or a debate.

The original reason I posted the video excerpt was because I wanted to share it because I thought it was an interesting concept. I never said it was truth or that it was right. I wasn't trying to "prove Christianity wrong", get anyone riled up, stomp on anyones beliefs or question them. I certainly didn't start this thread with the intention of it causing people to get heated under the collar.

The original reason for this thread was to talk about the content in the video. To discuss the ideas and possibilities that the video conceptualizes.

Which I will now do.

I thought it was interesting about the correlation between the the 12 constellations and the 12 apostles.

Tell me what you all think about that.

Back on topic.


Daciana

Jesus Christ's 12 Disciples were real people, and if you need archeology to back it, there is in deed a Jewish grave site that actually contains an ancient burial chamber in which most of the 12 was buried... and most notably Peter, Andrew, Nathaneel, just to name a few. Of course Catholic tradition holds that Peter was buried at the site of the Church of St. Peter in Rome, but when the histocracy was challenged, the propriator mentioned that it didn't matter to him if the claim was true or not, but only the faith in that claim. Sounds sort of dodgy to me. Apparently the truth of the matter is, some early churches tried to swoon crowds by stating that they held whatever body part from whatever apostle. I doubt the claims though, as I the archeology of those claims just don't add up. I believe it was just a tool to get people to go to mass and nothing more, much like Mega churches use new hip bands, sound systems, and movie-style messages to get people to go to church.

As for your claim... I think it would hold true if the apostles themselves were invented, but they weren't. I think the claim would hold true if Christianity had started in Rome among neo-pagans, but it wasn't. The first Christian converts were Jewish, of which by and large was a miracle itself, as Jews throughout history assimulated very little if anything from other religions. This is quite evident in Jewish culture today as it was thousands of years ago. Even Arab Jews living in Arabia at the time of Mohammed remained true to their native practices while most of Arabia was largely polythestic. Their views, as well as the few Christians he met during his trials, had a huge impression on Mohammed, in so much when ordered all of Arabia to convert to Islam, both Jews and Christians were exempt from this edict.

In short the Jews views on religion forbade them from assimulating into other cultures. This is also evident in their transcribing of the Holy Scriptures. A Jewish scribe had to memorize the entire Torah. When he began to write it on papyrus they had several tools to help guide them so that not one letter was changed, added, or subtracted. There there was a variance of just one letter the parchment would be scrapped and destroyed and the scribe would start over. They were master craftsmen of their trade. You can readily find such scribes making copies of the Torah, although their job today is a bit easier as they use computers to help monitor their work.

In short it is HIGHLY unlikely that Jews would have picked up polythestic pratices and implemented them into their own religion, as El (The Eternal) forbade them from doing so. Again, if you need proof, all you have to do is take a gander at the archeology, because it is there.

What this leads to though is that if a Messiah appeared in around 30 ACE and suddenly a minority of Jews started converting, they would have had to actually believe that this Christ was indeed that Messiah. Jews despised Rome. Jews despised paganism, as well as change to their tradition, so for Jews suddenly to start converting and following a supposed Christ, you can bet that they really believed that He was the Messiah.

Once more the claims would hold true if Christianity, as a religion, appeared some several hundred years after the events stated, but the fact is we have nearly 25,000 ancient Gospel manuscripts dating anywhere around 50ACE to 150ACE. There is even evidence of ancient Christian churches (of which didn't amount to much other than a hole in the wall) showing Christians readily practicing their religion even early than 50ACE.

Similarities doesn't mean connection, as well as know. In evolution we often find several animals that have similarities, but it is their differences that will decide nominclature. As a writer I've often seen movies that had tons of similarities to my own works, but since I don't readily share unfinished ideas with anyone, they couldn't have possibly stolen my own concepts. We were just thinking on the same lines. This is why if you ever "legally" send in a copy of a manuscript you have to sign a waiver that releases the production company, producer, director, actor, and so on from any legal action in case they turn down your project and years later produce something similar.

[LV426]

Don't worry Daciana, JLR and I have agreed to disagree, we don't flame.

[Vendetta]

Don't worry Daciana, JLR and I have agreed to disagree, we don't flame.
No, that's MY job. And actually, I find very little reason to argue with JLR these days, for while I disagree with his beliefs, he is erudite and well-read, and that goes far in my book.

As for arguing in general, welcome to religious discussion. I mean nothing sparks people's passions faster and hotter than religious "discussions".

[Fenrar]

I don't like to argue about things with a million different view points. It is indeed fun and all that, but it complicates things. I'll argue with you about my best Football Team, the best Animal, anything like that. Religion is one of those two things, Religion and Politics, that spark off heated debates easily. Plus, I'm sorry, but I really don't have the time to look up every single little detail of the Bible, or any religion for that matter. If you think that denies me a right to an opinion, then I say 'FUCK YOU'. Everyone has the right to their opinion, no matter how deformed or crazed. Everyone also has the right to try and put those opinions into doubt. Religion will still be around, because Atheism and Agnosticism are religions in themselves. Christianity is something I'll always severely dislike because of the people I've come across. Experience teaches us more then TV ever could.
Also, by saying YOU'RE WRONG, you just make yourself look like a very arrogant person, no matter how educated you are. I don't say that, I say everyone may be wrong. I accept the fact that Doomsday could happen tommorow. I also accept that it probably won't. But, ultimately, Life goes on. Anything could happen at any time, because we just don't know enough. We can say "It is probable that this Runner will win the race, because he has won the most and can do a better time then the others." But who knows? A Meteor might fly out of the Sky and kill him. ((Excuse my cynicism, but I would laugh for about 3 seconds if that happened, just because of the shitty luck of the guy.))

Uncertainty is the reason Religion is there - to explain the unexplainable. Nothing THAT bad about that, I guess.

[RQ]

Uncertainty is the reason Religion is there - to explain the unexplainable. Nothing THAT bad about that, I guess.

Actually, there is.

See, we now have such things as mathematics, cosmology, and physics to "explain the unexplainable." Our technology has outgrown religion. Now, if only the mindset of our species could follow.

[Fenrar]

Actually, there is.

See, we now have such things as mathematics, cosmology, and physics to "explain the unexplainable." Our technology has outgrown religion. Now, if only the mindset of our species could follow.

The Big Bang theory states that there was a group of Neutrons that exploded. How? Explain.

[RQ]

The Big Bang theory states that there was a group of Neutrons that exploded. How? Explain.

Please read these articles.
Peebles, P.J.E., Schramm, D.N., Turner, E.L. & R.G. Kron 1991, "The Case for the Relativistic Hot Big Bang Cosmology", Nature, 352, 769 - 776.
Peebles, P.J.E., Schramm, D.N., Turner, E.L. & R.G. Kron 1994, "The Evolution of the Universe'', Scientific American, 271, 29 - 33.


P.S., please don't suggest that my reliance on science and mathematics is the same as religious reliance on a god. Science and mathematics can be worked through, replicated, and proven or disproven anywhere in the universe. Religious belief is purely subjective; wholly individually upheld, without any significant proof.

Also, we must remember that scientists, when confronted with the fact that 2 + 2 does not equal 5, realize that this result is based in basic observation of a concrete fact. Find me a religious person who can justify his faith beyond the answer "It's what I believe in."

[J.L.R.]

Please read these articles.
Peebles, P.J.E., Schramm, D.N., Turner, E.L. & R.G. Kron 1991, "The Case for the Relativistic Hot Big Bang Cosmology", Nature, 352, 769 - 776.
Peebles, P.J.E., Schramm, D.N., Turner, E.L. & R.G. Kron 1994, "The Evolution of the Universe'', Scientific American, 271, 29 - 33.


P.S., please don't suggest that my reliance on science and mathematics is the same as religious reliance on a god. Science and mathematics can be worked through, replicated, and proven or disproven anywhere in the universe. Religious belief is purely subjective; wholly individually upheld, without any significant proof.

Also, we must remember that scientists, when confronted with the fact that 2 + 2 does not equal 5, realize that this result is based in basic observation of a concrete fact. Find me a religious person who can justify his faith beyond the answer "It's what I believe in."

I have proof...

Vendetta just gave me a compliment... now I know there is a God! :P

Sorry now let us return to our scheduled broadcast...

[Vendetta]

I have proof...

Vendetta just gave me a compliment... now I know there is a God! :P

Sorry now let us return to our scheduled broadcast...
Don't let it go to your head bucko. :D

[Gilenea]

I do admire Christianity, though, and all its attempts to hide behind a "good, loving" mask when the entire relgion is based on something different (see second paragraph). It would seem to me that a loving and forgiving father wouldn't smite his children for messing up a few times in their eighty years of existence. Trying to live up to the expectations of the very Creator seems hard enough by itself.

So far, from what I've seen and research I've done, Christianity is based entirely on fear and guilt. Jesus died for you. You're a horrible person to reject his precious gift of eternal life, and, on top of that, you're going to be damned for eternity! Isn't that nice! And you could have done it right the first time around. Jeez. I mean, a mass murderer can beg forgiveness before the needle hits his vein, and he goes to heaven, right?

But hey. Whatever gets the church 10%.

Mua ha ha. :D

Nah. I just like doing good old fashioned research. :)



Daciana

Research, inDEED. ;) Good talk.

Gil

[greggchamberlain]

me, i try to separate what the Church says and does ("church" applying to every organized formal religion) and what the philosophical/spiritual tenets of the religion itself espouse.

now, granted, that can get pretty difficult when reading through official texts (either of the Testaments in the Bible, whatever translation of the Q'ran one might have available, various Buddhist and Taoist treatises...and won't even go into what efforts are required sometimes to find proper texts for shintoism, Confucianism, and others...as for the Hindu pantheon...well, that depends on which translation you have of the Bhagavad-Gita, the Upanishads...which take a loooonnnng time to read through...and whatever other collections of Hindu myths, folktales, etc., you have handy...then there's Wicca (and trying to find something decent on that and not exploitative can be a job in itself)...

but all worthwhile...

well, i think so...but then again...i get a kick out of trying to figure out why people do what they do...

is why i took criminology (with psych and sociology for supplementals) in college...

about the one thing i know for sure after getting my college certificate in the subjects is...

...there are a lot of STUPID people in jail!

:D

[Daciana]

I do admire Christianity, though, and all its attempts to hide behind a "good, loving" mask when the entire relgion is based on something different (see second paragraph). It would seem to me that a loving and forgiving father wouldn't smite his children for messing up a few times in their eighty years of existence. Trying to live up to the expectations of the very Creator seems hard enough by itself.

So far, from what I've seen and research I've done, Christianity is based entirely on fear and guilt. Jesus died for you. You're a horrible person to reject his precious gift of eternal life, and, on top of that, you're going to be damned for eternity! Isn't that nice! And you could have done it right the first time around. Jeez. I mean, a mass murderer can beg forgiveness before the needle hits his vein, and he goes to heaven, right?

But hey. Whatever gets the church 10%.

Gil



Research, inDEED. ;) Good talk.

Gil


Good talks for the win. ;)


Daciana

[Rascaduanok]

Except Buddhism. Buddhists are AWESOME!!!!

Really? Karma people? People who believe that disabled people did something atrocious in a past life, hence why they ended up disabled? ‘Awesome’ indeed…

[DamienMidgard]

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.

[Vendetta]

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.
Now I'm not too particularly fond of Christianity myself (or really ANY religion) but those are some pretty outrageous claims. Do you have anything to back up that 99.9% or are you just talking out of your ass?

[MorganaFang]

Really? Karma people? People who believe that disabled people did something atrocious in a past life, hence why they ended up disabled? ‘Awesome’ indeed…

Er that is not necessarily apart of Buddhism.

[DamienMidgard]

Now I'm not too particularly fond of Christianity myself (or really ANY religion) but those are some pretty outrageous claims. Do you have anything to back up that 99.9% or are you just talking out of your ass?

vendetta,

I was simply playing off of J.L.R’s attempt to stereo type any one who dose not believe in the bible, or simply has conflicting ideas of its meanings.

I quote J.L.R. “Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place.”

So I in turn stated “ I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

How I did this, I made the same type of absurd statement . 99.9% of la de da and so forth

How ever I added a twist. The twist is, you do not actually need to be a biblical scholar to disagree with the bible and what it stands for. All you need is to open your eyes and see the world around you, and what the beLIEvers of the “bible“ actually produce.

Now what I mean by the last statement is simply ….. I may not have read the “bible” because it is a boring piece of what ever, and I DO NOT need to read it to say it’s a worthless piece of whatever , because the people who profess full knowledge of this book and its creator still act like a bunch of monkeys.

And just for the record, I personally would like absolutely no part in their monkey games. :eek:

[UNODRAGONE]

vendetta,

I was simply playing off of J.L.R’s attempt to stereo type any one who dose not believe in the bible, or simply has conflicting ideas of its meanings.

I quote J.L.R. “Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place.”

So I in turn stated “ I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

How I did this, I made the same type of absurd statement . 99.9% of la de da and so forth

How ever I added a twist. The twist is, you do not actually need to be a biblical scholar to disagree with the bible and what it stands for. All you need is to open your eyes and see the world around you, and what the beLIEvers of the “bible“ actually produce.

Now what I mean by the last statement is simply ….. I may not have read the “bible” because it is a boring piece of what ever, and I DO NOT need to read it to say it’s a worthless piece of whatever , because the people who profess full knowledge of this book and its creator still act like a bunch of monkeys.

And just for the record, I personally would like absolutely no part in their monkey games. :eek:


it sounds a little ignorant to me to sit here and judge something you have never read, at least some of the people on here who are against the bible have actually READ it, but to make that kind of a statement never reading the book, yeah that kind of to me gets the ignorance award.

[DamienMidgard]

it sounds a little ignorant to me to sit here and judge something you have never read, at least some of the people on here who are against the bible have actually READ it, but to make that kind of a statement never reading the book, yeah that kind of to me gets the ignorance award.

Unodragone

Ok , well I will stand back from the flame and tell you its not such a great idea to touch it, even thou I never touched it before. And you can stick your face in it and profess the unyielding wisdom of Christ.

Do I need to play with fire to know I will get burned, no… But I guess some have to learn the hard way!

I feel it would be ignorant to study something for the sake of changing your opinion about it, where all you have to do is Open Your Eyes, and take it for face value… judge that book by its cover and walk away unscathed. You have to be a complete hermit not to know some of the stories and messages of the “bible”.

So why would you subject your self to more?

I will put this out their, I am not closed minded. I am willing to listen to peoples believes and faiths and maybe even learn a thing or two.. But to tell me or any one.. “That you are wrong because you do not have MY understanding of the subject “ simply gets my blood boiling.

[UNODRAGONE]

Unodragone

Ok , well I will stand back from the flame and tell you its not such a great idea to touch it, even thou I never touched it before. And you can stick your face in it and profess the unyielding wisdom of Christ.

Do I need to play with fire to know I will get burned, no… But I guess some have to learn the hard way!

I feel it would be ignorant to study something for the sake of changing your opinion about it, where all you have to do is Open Your Eyes, and take it for face value… judge that book by its cover and walk away unscathed. You have to be a complete hermit not to know some of the stories and messages of the “bible”.

So why would you subject your self to more?

I will put this out their, I am not closed minded. I am willing to listen to peoples believes and faiths and maybe even learn a thing or two.. But to tell me or any one.. “That you are wrong because you do not have MY understanding of the subject “ simply gets my blood boiling.

yeah that doesn't sound close minded :rolleyes: If your willing to listen to peoples beliefs, maybe start by not bashing them. No were in my post did I say you were wrong, ignorant yes, no one in my eyes is wrong, everyone has the right to their opinion and beliefs, I would NEVER push mine on anyone or expect to change anyone nor would I sit here and judge someone I don't know, not my job but I will state my opinion and you can take it or leave it.

[ThrasherCub]

Do I need to play with fire to know I will get burned, no… But I guess some have to learn the hard way!
There's a bit of a difference. Actually, there's two really huge ones.

1, Most animals have hard-wired instinct which declares good and loud that fire is dangerous. There is no such "The Bible is dangerous" instinct.
2, By observing fire you'll see it burn all sorts of things, including people. By observing the Bible's effect on people you'll see a huge spectrum of results, ranging from the truly bad to the truly wonderful.

In short, your analogy couldn't be any more inaccurate.

I feel it would be ignorant to study something for the sake of changing your opinion about it,
Except in order to have an accurate opinion about it you have to know what it is you're formulating an opinion about. You just declared that the best state to be in when judging something is to be fully ignorant of the topic at hand.

Are you outraged that juries are presented with evidence before they come to a conclusion about the defendant?

where all you have to do is Open Your Eyes,
No matter how open your eyes are you won't see anything if you've got a bag over your head. The idea of "opening your eyes" and yet refusing to actually look at anything is pretty contradictory when your intent is to learn and understand. :rolleyes:

and take it for face value…
Why do you assert that it is best to take the rout of ignorance?

judge that book by its cover and walk away unscathed.
"Unscathed." Dude, what the hell do you think will happen if you work up the balls to actually read it? Is it going to leap up and choke your dumb ass?

You have to be a complete hermit not to know some of the stories and messages of the “bible”.
Just like you have to be a complete retard to think the average person who has not read the bible actually understands jack or shit from it.

So why would you subject your self to more?
Because it's better than sounding like an angsty half-wit advocating ignorance. You know, like you.

I will put this out their, I am not closed minded.
Bull-the fuck-shit! You're not only closed minded but are suggesting that everyone else be closed minded too!

I am willing to listen to peoples believes and faiths and maybe even learn a thing or two.. But to tell me or any one.. “That you are wrong because you do not have MY understanding of the subject “ simply gets my blood boiling.
No one is telling you you're wrong because you don't have the understanding of someone specific. We're telling you your an ignorant shit because you have no understanding of the topic at hand.

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[Tempest]

1) http://www.spellcheck.net/

2)
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Sorry TC, I think it was good enough to use a second time ;)

[DamienMidgard]

There's a bit of a difference. Actually, there's two really huge ones.

1, Most animals have hard-wired instinct which declares good and loud that fire is dangerous. There is no such "The Bible is dangerous" instinct.
2, By observing fire you'll see it burn all sorts of things, including people. By observing the Bible's effect on people you'll see a huge spectrum of results, ranging from the truly bad to the truly wonderful.

In short, your analogy couldn't be any more inaccurate.


Except in order to have an accurate opinion about it you have to know what it is you're formulating an opinion about. You just declared that the best state to be in when judging something is to be fully ignorant of the topic at hand.

Are you outraged that juries are presented with evidence before they come to a conclusion about the defendant?


No matter how open your eyes are you won't see anything if you've got a bag over your head. The idea of "opening your eyes" and yet refusing to actually look at anything is pretty contradictory when your intent is to learn and understand. :rolleyes:


Why do you assert that it is best to take the rout of ignorance?


"Unscathed." Dude, what the hell do you think will happen if you work up the balls to actually read it? Is it going to leap up and choke your dumb ass?


Just like you have to be a complete retard to think the average person who has not read the bible actually understands jack or shit from it.


Because it's better than sounding like an angsty half-wit advocating ignorance. You know, like you.


Bull-the fuck-shit! You're not only closed minded but are suggesting that everyone else be closed minded too!


No one is telling you you're wrong because you don't have the understanding of someone specific. We're telling you your an ignorant shit because you have no understanding of the topic at hand.

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Damn son, pick that shit apart why don’t you.. You rude piece of crap

I have no problem with you analyzing what I say, if it is what I said. However, you pick what I have said apart and make it out to something completely different.

“In short, your analogy couldn't be any more inaccurate.”

that’s your opinion. If you put a little thought into what was written, the analogy was not that far of a stretch, oh but your feeble little mind simply sees fire and book… so how can that even compare.. Right

“I feel it would be ignorant to study something for the sake of changing your opinion about it,”
This is what you quoted me as saying. And then you make some outrageous rant about it.
Why don’t you shut the fuck up, and actually read what was written, instead of pulling out a convenient little part of what was said and bashing it.

The point of that whole paragraph was to simply say, why look further when the answer is in front of your face… but that must have been much to complicated for you to understand.


You are a brilliant piece of shit aren’t you. I am going to tell you the same thing I was going to tell Unodragone. Next time you read the words on the pretty lit screen. Before you reply stop for a moment.. And maybe, I don’t know…. Think about their meanings. I guarantee you will have a much greater understanding of what is being expressed.

But I have a feeling that is asking way too much from your stupid ass.

[Galliard]

*plays the Star Wars theme*

Flame Wars: battle for decency on WW.com!!! Enter Galliard.


Deep in Cyberspace, one Galliard, registered to werewolf.com's message board, hopes to take on the incredibly flametastic people who would rather swear crudely at people than make coherent arguments. Galliard studies the scripts that the previous users, Damienmidguard and peterpuffinman have written and has found them to Fail MISERABLY as human beings!!!


*ends Star Wars theme*

It is time for me to be serious. People like the both of you, damienmidguard and peterpuffinman, are shameful. It is rude and disgusting, to see that much vulgarity aimed at members of this website. There is quite a bit to be said for the proper use of language. The mere fact that you are lashing out in anger to some rather simple comments indicates to me that you are insecure in where you truly stand, and that you can't hold a decent conversation without putting someone down, or otherwise being an internet bully.

As per damienmidguard, you should have read further into different sections before you decided to post here. People will pick apart what you have to say. It's how points are made without making them confusing. Perhaps you should rethink your membership here if you cannot grasp that simple concept. Calling someone names is not going to change their viewpoint, and more than likely will result in disciplinary action, if it hasn't already. Consider the fact that you are talking to human beings, and show some respect. Learn to speak with dignity, and others will be more open to speaking with you. Also, if you simply cannot agree with someone, please, walk away.

As per peterpuffinman, why did you even enter this discussion if all you truly intended to do was bash Unodragone? That may not have been your intent, but it surely seems so. What is the relevance of Uno's sexual orientation in this thread? Why do you lace almost every sentence with written atrocities, both grammatical and the words themselves an offense to people? It was surely offensive to myself. You did not contribute anything relevant to the conversation, and were extremely provocative, disrespectful, and negative. Is that how you have your fun, by disrespecting others in such a vulgar manner? It's shameful that you would write in the manner that you have. If they haven't already, I wish the moderator would put a freeze on your account.

To Unodragone, I am so sorry there are people like the aforementioned in the world, who do nothing but act like imbeciles. I give you a cyber hug and cookie, and hot cocoa or coffee, if you prefer.

[DamienMidgard]

*plays the Star Wars theme*

Flame Wars: battle for decency on WW.com!!! Enter Galliard.


Deep in Cyberspace, one Galliard, registered to werewolf.com's message board, hopes to take on the incredibly flametastic people who would rather swear crudely at people than make coherent arguments. Galliard studies the scripts that the previous users, Damienmidguard and peterpuffinman have written and has found them to Fail MISERABLY as human beings!!!


*ends Star Wars theme*

It is time for me to be serious. People like the both of you, damienmidguard and peterpuffinman, are shameful. It is rude and disgusting, to see that much vulgarity aimed at members of this website. There is quite a bit to be said for the proper use of language. The mere fact that you are lashing out in anger to some rather simple comments indicates to me that you are insecure in where you truly stand, and that you can't hold a decent conversation without putting someone down, or otherwise being an internet bully.

As per damienmidguard, you should have read further into different sections before you decided to post here. People will pick apart what you have to say. It's how points are made without making them confusing. Perhaps you should rethink your membership here if you cannot grasp that simple concept. Calling someone names is not going to change their viewpoint, and more than likely will result in disciplinary action, if it hasn't already. Consider the fact that you are talking to human beings, and show some respect. Learn to speak with dignity, and others will be more open to speaking with you. Also, if you simply cannot agree with someone, please, walk away.

As per peterpuffinman, why did you even enter this discussion if all you truly intended to do was bash Unodragone? That may not have been your intent, but it surely seems so. What is the relevance of Uno's sexual orientation in this thread? Why do you lace almost every sentence with written atrocities, both grammatical and the words themselves an offense to people? It was surely offensive to myself. You did not contribute anything relevant to the conversation, and were extremely provocative, disrespectful, and negative. Is that how you have your fun, by disrespecting others in such a vulgar manner? It's shameful that you would write in the manner that you have. If they haven't already, I wish the moderator would put a freeze on your account.

To Unodragone, I am so sorry there are people like the aforementioned in the world, who do nothing but act like imbeciles. I give you a cyber hug and cookie, and hot cocoa or coffee, if you prefer.

This is so ridicules, I get misinterpreted, then I get cursed out, not only in words but in pictures.. Then when I act accordingly, I get a slap on the wrist… what a joke.. You are all a bunch of little internet fags! I forgot why I stopped going on chat rooms and message boards.. It was because you’re a bunch of clown shoes, not worth the time or energy involved in speaking with you!!!…..I know their must be some involved in this circuses of shit that are half way intelligent, But I don’t know how you keep your cool amongst a gambit of fools.

[Vendetta]

Speaking of picking apart...

Damn son, pick that shit apart why don’t you.. You rude piece of crap
Mommy, mommy, someone was mean to me on the internets... abloo bloo bloo.

I have no problem with you analyzing what I say, if it is what I said. However, you pick what I have said apart and make it out to something completely different.
Actually she quoted EXACTLY what you said. If you meant something ELSE maybe you should have SAID what you meant. There was no twisting of words.

“In short, your analogy couldn't be any more inaccurate.”
that’s your opinion. If you put a little thought into what was written, the analogy was not that far of a stretch, oh but your feeble little mind simply sees fire and book… so how can that even compare.. Right
Actually it has nothing to DO with her opinion. She pointed out how you are FACTUALLY incorrect. This is not a matter of opinion, but mostly a matter of your own ignorance, and arrogance to see that you could possibly be wrong.

The point of that whole paragraph was to simply say, why look further when the answer is in front of your face… but that must have been much to complicated for you to understand.
But see, that's not what you said at ALL. She quoted you word-for-word. I mean if you dislike the Bible so much, all you have to do is say "I think the Bible is a bunch of made-up stories" and that would be that. Instead you try to reinforce your ideas with rather bad logic and spurious claims.

You are a brilliant piece of shit aren’t you.
Ahh yes, HERE your true intellect shines.

I am going to tell you the same thing I was going to tell Unodragone. Next time you read the words on the pretty lit screen. Before you reply stop for a moment.. And maybe, I don’t know…. Think about their meanings. I guarantee you will have a much greater understanding of what is being expressed.
What, we're supposed to read your mind now? Maybe you should say what you mean the FIRST time instead of thinking people will guess your meaning from poorly worded posts that make little to no sense, and with even less logic.

Also, I would hope that a mod or admin checks your and our eloquent friend Peterpuffer there's IP adresses. I'll wager money you'd find them to be the same. I certainly hope that warrants a ban for the "both" of you.

But I have a feeling that is asking way too much from your stupid ass.
The only thing I think it would asking too much of, is for you to carry on a reasoned conversation without using vulgarity in every other sentence, when confronted with people who disagree with you or your "logic".

In short, fuck you, idiot. :D

[ThrasherCub]

Damn son, pick that shit apart why don’t you.. You rude piece of crap
Rude about ignorance is in all ways superior to your brand of prejudiced retardation.

Also, I am no one's son. TC = Woman.

I have no problem with you analyzing what I say, if it is what I said. However, you pick what I have said apart and make it out to something completely different.

“In short, your analogy couldn't be any more inaccurate.”

that’s your opinion. If you put a little thought into what was written, the analogy was not that far of a stretch, oh but your feeble little mind simply sees fire and book… so how can that even compare.. Right
As Vendetta pointed out, I quoted you. That is what you said. Further, my point stands: the only ways to know not to touch fire is from observation and from instinct. Otherwise, where is this information coming from?
Obviously instinct does not apply to the Bible, and I pointed out that the observed result of reading the Bible has much more variance than the results of lighting things on fire.

“I feel it would be ignorant to study something for the sake of changing your opinion about it,”
This is what you quoted me as saying. And then you make some outrageous rant about it.
Why don’t you shut the fuck up, and actually read what was written, instead of pulling out a convenient little part of what was said and bashing it.
...

Dude, I fucking quoted you. And my reply was quite on topic. How the hell can you say I didn't read it? Is it perhaps because your feeble mind cannot comprehend simple concepts?

The point of that whole paragraph was to simply say, why look further when the answer is in front of your face… but that must have been much to complicated for you to understand.
Evidently my point was too complicated for you to understand since it didn't sink in. With something as complex as the Bible the answer isn't right in front of your face.

You are a brilliant piece of shit aren’t you.
Quite. I have a genius IQ and have taught various age groups. :) Your sarcasm fails!

I am going to tell you the same thing I was going to tell Unodragone. Next time you read the words on the pretty lit screen. Before you reply stop for a moment.. And maybe, I don’t know…. Think about their meanings. I guarantee you will have a much greater understanding of what is being expressed.
Fail. Please point out any area where I put forth less thought than you.

But I have a feeling that is asking way too much from your stupid ass.
Oh noes! He called me stupid! Surely this random person who is ignoring pure and simple logic is correct that my superior knowledge is symptomatic of stupidity!

On behalf of your intellectual superiors on Werewolf.com;
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[J.L.R.]

This is so ridicules, I get misinterpreted, then I get cursed out, not only in words but in pictures.. Then when I act accordingly, I get a slap on the wrist… what a joke.. You are all a bunch of little internet fags! I forgot why I stopped going on chat rooms and message boards.. It was because you’re a bunch of clown shoes, not worth the time or energy involved in speaking with you!!!…..I know their must be some involved in this circuses of shit that are half way intelligent, But I don’t know how you keep your cool amongst a gambit of fools.

People this is exactly the reason why inbreeding is illegal. :eek: Please remember to spade an nueter your morons...

Honestly, if isn't worth your time, why do you keep replying? It is a waist of time to FLAME people on the internet. If you disagree with what they said, then do so, but honestly if you are going to take the time to write something out, make sure you are saying something intelligent...

The truth is, if you are going to make an arguement for or against something, be sure you know what your talking about before you post. If you just say what is off the top of your head without even the slightest concept of what is there, then yes you are going to get mauled.

Also getting angry, profane, and down right condescending towards others on the internet is rather silly, so if there is a clown out there, then I am quite afraid that you are the one with the rubber nose.

Remember there is a disclaimer that you have to read (most skip over it) when you create an account at WW.com that states, "entertainment only." This site, as most forums out there, is designed for fun as well as the occasional debate. Flaming others for being smarter than you, will get you no where, but banned.

If you want to argue, that is fine... If you have an opinion, that is fine... If you worship a giant rubber duck named Stan... more power to you, but keep in mind, when you post something on the world wide web you will get feedback, both good and bad.

There is an old saying that goes, "Look before you leap." Let me give you a new one, "Think before you post."

Education is key in any debate. You have a brain, so use it. If somebody picks apart your post then it is usually a sign that you haven't spent enough time thinking it out. Go back reread and review. (There is a preview key). This way you will be sure that people are not misunderstanding your points.

[UNODRAGONE]

*plays the Star Wars theme*

Flame Wars: battle for decency on WW.com!!! Enter Galliard.


Deep in Cyberspace, one Galliard, registered to werewolf.com's message board, hopes to take on the incredibly flametastic people who would rather swear crudely at people than make coherent arguments. Galliard studies the scripts that the previous users, Damienmidguard and peterpuffinman have written and has found them to Fail MISERABLY as human beings!!!


*ends Star Wars theme*

It is time for me to be serious. People like the both of you, damienmidguard and peterpuffinman, are shameful. It is rude and disgusting, to see that much vulgarity aimed at members of this website. There is quite a bit to be said for the proper use of language. The mere fact that you are lashing out in anger to some rather simple comments indicates to me that you are insecure in where you truly stand, and that you can't hold a decent conversation without putting someone down, or otherwise being an internet bully.

As per damienmidguard, you should have read further into different sections before you decided to post here. People will pick apart what you have to say. It's how points are made without making them confusing. Perhaps you should rethink your membership here if you cannot grasp that simple concept. Calling someone names is not going to change their viewpoint, and more than likely will result in disciplinary action, if it hasn't already. Consider the fact that you are talking to human beings, and show some respect. Learn to speak with dignity, and others will be more open to speaking with you. Also, if you simply cannot agree with someone, please, walk away.

As per peterpuffinman, why did you even enter this discussion if all you truly intended to do was bash Unodragone? That may not have been your intent, but it surely seems so. What is the relevance of Uno's sexual orientation in this thread? Why do you lace almost every sentence with written atrocities, both grammatical and the words themselves an offense to people? It was surely offensive to myself. You did not contribute anything relevant to the conversation, and were extremely provocative, disrespectful, and negative. Is that how you have your fun, by disrespecting others in such a vulgar manner? It's shameful that you would write in the manner that you have. If they haven't already, I wish the moderator would put a freeze on your account.

To Unodragone, I am so sorry there are people like the aforementioned in the world, who do nothing but act like imbeciles. I give you a cyber hug and cookie, and hot cocoa or coffee, if you prefer.

(gives big bear hug in return and happily eats cookie with coco :) )

This is so ridicules, I get misinterpreted, then I get cursed out, not only in words but in pictures.. Then when I act accordingly, I get a slap on the wrist… what a joke.. You are all a bunch of little internet fags! I forgot why I stopped going on chat rooms and message boards.. It was because you’re a bunch of clown shoes, not worth the time or energy involved in speaking with you!!!…..I know their must be some involved in this circuses of shit that are half way intelligent, But I don’t know how you keep your cool amongst a gambit of fools.

I'm sorry that your little arguments are not working and that you now have to resort to name calling since your ego has been damaged, but do not bash Thrashercub like that again, you want to piss and wail, do it to me all you want, I work with mentally challenged people I am use to it but I will be damned you disrespect my buddy like that for no reason. All she did was state what YOU said, not like what you did basically stating that everyone who believes in the bible needs to open their eyes and then claiming to be open minded. I don't do grudges nor do I do name calling so if your trying to get a rise out of me your in for one big epic fail.

[DamienMidgard]

I already know this is going to be much to complicated for most of you to follow, So why am I even trying?!?!? I must harbor a little masochism in me.. But here I go any way.
My first post on this thread was a quote from J.L.R that stated

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

In response to this statement I in turn stated

“I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

now this is where Paying attention to WHY something was written is important..
It just takes a little thought…
Vendetta wrote
“Now I'm not too particularly fond of Christianity myself (or really ANY religion) but those are some pretty outrageous claims. Do you have anything to back up that 99.9% or are you just talking out of your ass?”

So I in turn went on to explain and I quote my self

“I was simply playing off of J.L.R’s attempt to stereo type any one who dose not believe in the bible, or simply has conflicting ideas of its meanings“.

and also went on to say

“How ever I added a twist. The twist is, you do not actually need to be a biblical scholar to disagree with the bible and what it stands for. All you need is to open your eyes and see the world around you, and what the beLIEvers of the bible actually produce.”

again this is where reading would require a little thought, no you do not need to be a mind reader, just have a small ability of comprehension.

All that I meant is you can judge a book by its cover. But By this point I was already getting unodragone all confused, so I went on to say

“Now what I mean by the last statement is simply ….. I may not have read the “bible” because it is a boring piece of what ever, and I DO NOT need to read it to say it’s a worthless piece of whatever , because the people who profess full knowledge of this book and its creator still act like a bunch of monkeys.”

again just reaffirming the fact that in deed all you have to do is take the world at face value, and you do not need to look much farther then out your front door for your answers of spiritual enlightenment.
So in turn Unodragone wrote
“it sounds a little ignorant to me to sit here and judge something you have never read, at least some of the people on here who are against the bible have actually READ it, but to make that kind of a statement never reading the book, yeah that kind of to me gets the ignorance award.”

Again I have to say it only takes a little comprehension skills to understand what I had meant. But some where along my written words and unodragons mind, I had said I never read the bible… not exactly what was said. Again all that I meant Is, open your eyes and forget about an in-depth study.. Their really is no need for it.. When the worth of its product is all around you. So I go on to make a analogy of the scenario I quote my self

“Ok , well I will stand back from the flame and tell you its not such a great idea to touch it, even though I never touched it before. And you can stick your face in it and profess the unyielding wisdom of Christ.
Do I need to play with fire to know I will get burned, no… But I guess some have to learn the hard way!”

again I said this to reaffirm the fact you do not need an in-depth study, just a basic knowledge.

I also went on to say, the only reason I am even commenting about this is because J.L.R. went a head and made some absurd statement. I quote J.L.R “99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place." But unodragon misunderstood again and wrote “yeah that doesn't sound close minded If your willing to listen to peoples beliefs, maybe start by not bashing them. No were in my post did I say you were wrong, ignorant yes, no one in my eyes is wrong, everyone has the right to their opinion and beliefs, I would NEVER push mine on anyone or expect to change anyone nor would I sit here and judge someone I don't know, not my job but I will state my opinion and you can take it or leave it”

I never said YOU said I was wrong…

Again, just a little comprehension and you would have understood I was referring to J.L.R’s post. But what ever, the misunderstanding storm of ignorance ensues.
Then thrasher cub injects her two cents of crap, starts talking all sorts of garbage. One thing I will point out is she says .. I quote thrasher cub “1 Most animals have hard-wired instinct which declares good and loud that fire is dangerous. There is no such "The Bible is dangerous" instinct.” this is in response to an analogy I had made.

what I wrote was an analogy not a comparison..

Google the words analogy and comparison and maybe you will understand what I meant. So pretty much after a post from thrasher cub all forms of intelligence left the forum. I then begin receiving insults and post that are all sorts of retarded…. And not worth the time involved in responding. But here I go again. So what misquote or written abuse will I receive next. Is their no end to your stupidity?!?!?

[ThrasherCub]

I already know this is going to be much to complicated for most of you to follow, So why am I even trying?!?!?
Because you like parading about what a douchebag you are.

again just reaffirming the fact that in deed all you have to do is take the world at face value, and you do not need to look much farther then out your front door for your answers of spiritual enlightenment.
And all we are doing is telling you how utterly retarded that is. Why have you not addressed this? All you've been doing is throwing about baseless insults and reaffirming what you said. No one is debating what you said, we're debating it's accuracy. Address it or leave.

Again all that I meant Is, open your eyes and forget about an in-depth study.. Their really is no need for it.. When the worth of its product is all around you.
Opening your eyes into nothingness still lets you see nothing, no matter how open your eyes are. Simple concept.

again I said this to reaffirm the fact you do not need an in-depth study, just a basic knowledge.
I want you to go have an operation from a doctor who has basic knowledge, such as the name of each organ.

Again, just a little comprehension and you would have understood I was referring to J.L.R’s post.
Use [ Quote ] tags.

Then thrasher cub injects her two cents of crap, starts talking all sorts of garbage.
Fail. Calling things garbage don't actually turn them into garbage. Please prove your incorrect statement.

One thing I will point out is she says .. I quote thrasher cub “1 Most animals have hard-wired instinct which declares good and loud that fire is dangerous. There is no such "The Bible is dangerous" instinct.” this is in response to an analogy I had made.

what I wrote was an analogy not a comparison.. Google the words analogy and comparison and maybe you will understand what I meant.
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So pretty much after a post from thrasher cub all forms of intelligence left the forum.
Why, because I know that an analogy requires a comparison between two or more subjects?

I then begin receiving insults and post that are all sorts of retarded….
Because your posts were entirely free of insult, to say nothing for the burning ignorance contained therein.

And not worth the time involved in responding.
Then do not spend it. Really.

But here I go again. So what misquote or written abuse will I receive next. Is their no end to your stupidity?!?!?
Depends on when you leave. After all with no tr00 w3r3s or the like you are currently the sum of werewolf.com's stupidity.

[Tempest]

Thanks for summarizing the last 2 pages of conversation. We all really needed to read your crap twice. :rolleyes:

what I wrote was an analogy not a comparison..

Google the words analogy and comparison and maybe you will understand what I meant.

Comparisons and analogies mean the same thing.

Main Entry: analogy
Part of Speech: noun
Synonyms: comparison, congruence, metaphor, parallel, resemblance


Either grow up or gtfo. Your immaturity and senseless bashing are unwanted here. I smell the banhammer incoming.

Edit - Damn, TC beat me to it. Great minds think alike...or so says the overused proverb.

[ThrasherCub]

Either grow up or gtfo. Your immaturity and senseless bashing are unwanted here. I smell the banhammer incoming.

Edit - Damn, TC beat me to it. Great minds think alike...or so says the overused proverb.
If nothing else I've missed our double-teaming.

Also, TC seconds the banhammer!

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[J.L.R.]

I already know this is going to be much to complicated for most of you to follow, So why am I even trying?!?!? I must harbor a little masochism in me.. But here I go any way.
My first post on this thread was a quote from J.L.R that stated

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

Okay then... answer me this... Have you ever completely read the Bible. I mean cover to cover... Have you ever studied Biblical history (more than just pulling random junk of the internet)? I have a huge hunch the chances of you having done so are very slim, thus proving my point.

To be honest, my figure is probably pretty spot on... Why? If 90% of Christians haven't even read the Bible cover to cover or studied Biblical history, then it is pretty fare to say that its skeptics haven't.

Are the figures exact... probably not, but I CAN guarantee that the majority of both skeptics and adherents of the Bible haven't truly studied it. Shoot, if I walked up to 100 Christians and asked them who Flavius Josephus was, they would probably say, "Who".

As for skeptics... Since I have actually studied Biblical history and the Bible, I can almost instantly find holes (per say) in their reasoning, and guess what... the majority (while not all the time) of their complaints rest upon misconceptions and their general lack of knowledge of the Bible itself. Much of their complaints, as with the gentleman who created the little Youtube ditty, is with Biblical Tradition (of which can get distorted, altered, and whot-knot) vs. what the Bible actually says. When you consider that I am not being stereotypical.

As for your figure... I have absolutely NO idea what seventh sphere of hell that came from. How we can go from education vs. lack of education to rape and murder is beyond me...

The only thing you did, is prove my point even further... :D

[UNODRAGONE]

I already know this is going to be much to complicated for most of you to follow, So why am I even trying?!?!? I must harbor a little masochism in me.. But here I go any way.
My first post on this thread was a quote from J.L.R that stated

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

In response to this statement I in turn stated

“I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

now this is where Paying attention to WHY something was written is important..
It just takes a little thought…
Vendetta wrote
“Now I'm not too particularly fond of Christianity myself (or really ANY religion) but those are some pretty outrageous claims. Do you have anything to back up that 99.9% or are you just talking out of your ass?”

So I in turn went on to explain and I quote my self

“I was simply playing off of J.L.R’s attempt to stereo type any one who dose not believe in the bible, or simply has conflicting ideas of its meanings“.

and also went on to say

“How ever I added a twist. The twist is, you do not actually need to be a biblical scholar to disagree with the bible and what it stands for. All you need is to open your eyes and see the world around you, and what the beLIEvers of the bible actually produce.”

again this is where reading would require a little thought, no you do not need to be a mind reader, just have a small ability of comprehension.

All that I meant is you can judge a book by its cover. But By this point I was already getting unodragone all confused, so I went on to say

“Now what I mean by the last statement is simply ….. I may not have read the “bible” because it is a boring piece of what ever, and I DO NOT need to read it to say it’s a worthless piece of whatever , because the people who profess full knowledge of this book and its creator still act like a bunch of monkeys.”

again just reaffirming the fact that in deed all you have to do is take the world at face value, and you do not need to look much farther then out your front door for your answers of spiritual enlightenment.
So in turn Unodragone wrote
“it sounds a little ignorant to me to sit here and judge something you have never read, at least some of the people on here who are against the bible have actually READ it, but to make that kind of a statement never reading the book, yeah that kind of to me gets the ignorance award.”

Again I have to say it only takes a little comprehension skills to understand what I had meant. But some where along my written words and unodragons mind, I had said I never read the bible… not exactly what was said. Again all that I meant Is, open your eyes and forget about an in-depth study.. Their really is no need for it.. When the worth of its product is all around you. So I go on to make a analogy of the scenario I quote my self

“Ok , well I will stand back from the flame and tell you its not such a great idea to touch it, even though I never touched it before. And you can stick your face in it and profess the unyielding wisdom of Christ.
Do I need to play with fire to know I will get burned, no… But I guess some have to learn the hard way!”

again I said this to reaffirm the fact you do not need an in-depth study, just a basic knowledge.

I also went on to say, the only reason I am even commenting about this is because J.L.R. went a head and made some absurd statement. I quote J.L.R “99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place." But unodragon misunderstood again and wrote “yeah that doesn't sound close minded If your willing to listen to peoples beliefs, maybe start by not bashing them. No were in my post did I say you were wrong, ignorant yes, no one in my eyes is wrong, everyone has the right to their opinion and beliefs, I would NEVER push mine on anyone or expect to change anyone nor would I sit here and judge someone I don't know, not my job but I will state my opinion and you can take it or leave it”

I never said YOU said I was wrong…

Again, just a little comprehension and you would have understood I was referring to J.L.R’s post. But what ever, the misunderstanding storm of ignorance ensues.
Then thrasher cub injects her two cents of crap, starts talking all sorts of garbage. One thing I will point out is she says .. I quote thrasher cub “1 Most animals have hard-wired instinct which declares good and loud that fire is dangerous. There is no such "The Bible is dangerous" instinct.” this is in response to an analogy I had made.

what I wrote was an analogy not a comparison..

Google the words analogy and comparison and maybe you will understand what I meant. So pretty much after a post from thrasher cub all forms of intelligence left the forum. I then begin receiving insults and post that are all sorts of retarded…. And not worth the time involved in responding. But here I go again. So what misquote or written abuse will I receive next. Is their no end to your stupidity?!?!?

if I in any way seem confuse it's because your post is not clear. You ridiculed JLR post about his statistics when in fact you proved him right, you have not read the bible, you said so yourself. To me, and again I stated it was my OPINION to sit here and bash something you have no real knowledge of is ignorance, plain and simple. You also stated people needed to open their eyes and a bunch of other insults that are a waste of my time to include about people who do believe in the bible, which is also in my opinion close minded seeing as how you don't know all the people in the world who believe in the bible to state that. So, where exactly am I confused?

[Galliard]

It's because you aren't in the demented, emo, bully time warp, and there's no way you could possibly understand, given that he has godlike understanding and an amazing ability to tick off the online community.:p

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[DamienMidgard]

Okay then... answer me this... Have you ever completely read the Bible. I mean cover to cover... Have you ever studied Biblical history (more than just pulling random junk of the internet)? I have a huge hunch the chances of you having done so are very slim, thus proving my point.

To be honest, my figure is probably pretty spot on... Why? If 90% of Christians haven't even read the Bible cover to cover or studied Biblical history, then it is pretty fare to say that its skeptics haven't.

Are the figures exact... probably not, but I CAN guarantee that the majority of both skeptics and adherents of the Bible haven't truly studied it. Shoot, if I walked up to 100 Christians and asked them who Flavius Josephus was, they would probably say, "Who".

As for skeptics... Since I have actually studied Biblical history and the Bible, I can almost instantly find holes (per say) in their reasoning, and guess what... the majority (while not all the time) of their complaints rest upon misconceptions and their general lack of knowledge of the Bible itself. Much of their complaints, as with the gentleman who created the little Youtube ditty, is with Biblical Tradition (of which can get distorted, altered, and whot-knot) vs. what the Bible actually says. When you consider that I am not being stereotypical.

As for your figure... I have absolutely NO idea what seventh sphere of hell that came from. How we can go from education vs. lack of education to rape and murder is beyond me...

The only thing you did, is prove my point even further... :D

J.L.R

You are 100% right about me not reading the bible front to back… however almost every bible thumper on the net clams to be a biblical scholar or some sort and they have some grand insight that they alone posses from their devotion of time to the bible and its study. I have meet many bible thumpers who have read the bible back to front, shoot, I even live with two of them. In my life time I have meet with crazies, scholars, Socialites, homeless people and “just the guy next door” who all posses a secret view of the bible not shared by the rest of the world… because their view was discovered by them, due to their devout time in study. Now dose this mean that they alone have unlocked the secret meanings of the bible, Probably not.

Those people are not the coming messiah, prophets or even priests or pastors, they are just people who studied the bible among other religious works. Such as the Koran , dead sea scrolls.. Egyptian/Tibetan book of the dead… just to name a few that I can remember. But no, they are nothing more then people with a hobby or an interest. Now to say one is More right then the next would be rather ignorant..

Because one of the most baffling things about the bible is the fact that it is Open To Interpretation. This is why you have so many sect and spin off branches..

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

I was simply making a spoof of your statement
Because just my self , not looking for any type of spiritual light, have encountered many with a deep understanding of religion and some of its works.

I thought you had made an absolutely absurd statement… my attempt to show you how absurd I thought it was, maybe didn’t have the effect I thought it would…

“I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

I figured I would be just as close minded in my statement of *not valid but pretty damn close figure.*

How do I figure my numbers to be right or close to right… give or take some percent, but lets just say 50% of the world is some form of Christian or catholic.. Not to far of a stretch of the imagination.. Now lets say 30% are Muslim or some form of monotheistic faith.. [take a look at the religion survey on this site] All the crimes in the WHOLE world are not committed by pagans, atheists, scientologist or what ever… it just stands to reason that MOST crimes are committed by people who profess some form of One God Religion..

But like I said I was making a spoof in fun, and it turned ugly

[UNODRAGONE]

J.L.R

You are 100% right about me not reading the bible front to back… however almost every bible thumper on the net clams to be a biblical scholar or some sort and they have some grand insight that they alone posses from their devotion of time to the bible and its study. I have meet many bible thumpers who have read the bible back to front, shoot, I even live with two of them. In my life time I have meet with crazies, scholars, Socialites, homeless people and “just the guy next door” who all posses a secret view of the bible not shared by the rest of the world… because their view was discovered by them, due to their devout time in study. Now dose this mean that they alone have unlocked the secret meanings of the bible, Probably not.

Those people are not the coming messiah, prophets or even priests or pastors, they are just people who studied the bible among other religious works. Such as the Koran , dead sea scrolls.. Egyptian/Tibetan book of the dead… just to name a few that I can remember. But no, they are nothing more then people with a hobby or an interest. Now to say one is More right then the next would be rather ignorant..

Because one of the most baffling things about the bible is the fact that it is Open To Interpretation. This is why you have so many sect and spin off branches..

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

I was simply making a spoof of your statement
Because just my self , not looking for any type of spiritual light, have encountered many with a deep understanding of religion and some of its works.

I thought you had made an absolutely absurd statement… my attempt to show you how absurd I thought it was, maybe didn’t have the effect I thought it would…

“I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

I figured I would be just as close minded in my statement of *not valid but pretty damn close figure.*

How do I figure my numbers to be right or close to right… give or take some percent, but lets just say 50% of the world is some form of Christian or catholic.. Not to far of a stretch of the imagination.. Now lets say 30% are Muslim or some form of monotheistic faith.. [take a look at the religion survey on this site] All the crimes in the WHOLE world are not committed by pagans, atheists, scientologist or what ever… it just stands to reason that MOST crimes are committed by people who profess some form of One God Religion..

But like I said I was making a spoof in fun, and it turned ugly


I appreciate you confessing you have not read the bible and I can see where a statement like JLR would offend you seeing as how you have a lot of hate for the bible, but just remember to state your point, not bash a member or disrespect other members who hold that belief as well. Again I hold no grudges but I as well took offense to your remark to JLR because I am religious, do I believe in the bible, no but I wouldn't bash it or call people who believe in it in not so many words an idiot either, I respect people and what they believe or want to believe in until the day comes they push it onto me. I don't see the bible as a instruction booklet, more like a guide, take what you can use and want from it and them go from there but thats me, you don't believe in it I am guessing cause you have heard too many contradictions about it and I don't blame you for that, just remember not everyone shares your thinking and be a little bit more respectful about it and this whole thing would not have blown up. I have read the bible cover to cover, I am no messiah or anything, I don't know everything, I just take what I can use and live my life.

[J.L.R.]

J.L.R

You are 100% right about me not reading the bible front to back… however almost every bible thumper on the net clams to be a biblical scholar or some sort and they have some grand insight that they alone posses from their devotion of time to the bible and its study. I have meet many bible thumpers who have read the bible back to front, shoot, I even live with two of them. In my life time I have meet with crazies, scholars, Socialites, homeless people and “just the guy next door” who all posses a secret view of the bible not shared by the rest of the world… because their view was discovered by them, due to their devout time in study. Now dose this mean that they alone have unlocked the secret meanings of the bible, Probably not.

Those people are not the coming messiah, prophets or even priests or pastors, they are just people who studied the bible among other religious works. Such as the Koran , dead sea scrolls.. Egyptian/Tibetan book of the dead… just to name a few that I can remember. But no, they are nothing more then people with a hobby or an interest. Now to say one is More right then the next would be rather ignorant..

Because one of the most baffling things about the bible is the fact that it is Open To Interpretation. This is why you have so many sect and spin off branches..

"Let me put this to you simply... 99.9% of the people who trash the Bible, A. Have never read the Bible. B. Never studied Biblical history. C. Take scriptures out of context in order to prove their point. 99.9% of the facts skeptics say "disprove" the Bible are largely based on their misconceptions of the Bible in the first place."

I was simply making a spoof of your statement
Because just my self , not looking for any type of spiritual light, have encountered many with a deep understanding of religion and some of its works.

I thought you had made an absolutely absurd statement… my attempt to show you how absurd I thought it was, maybe didn’t have the effect I thought it would…

“I just thought I would throw this out their… “judge a tree by its fruit“ sort of thing . 99.9 % of rapists, murderers, drug abusers, dysfunctional scabs of society are some form of Christian, Catholic or monotheistic religious worshiper. Just a thought.”

I figured I would be just as close minded in my statement of *not valid but pretty damn close figure.*

How do I figure my numbers to be right or close to right… give or take some percent, but lets just say 50% of the world is some form of Christian or catholic.. Not to far of a stretch of the imagination.. Now lets say 30% are Muslim or some form of monotheistic faith.. [take a look at the religion survey on this site] All the crimes in the WHOLE world are not committed by pagans, atheists, scientologist or what ever… it just stands to reason that MOST