Spiritualism and Mediumship

[E_Asinus]

I couldn’t find any other topics devoted to Spiritualism and Mediumship. What do you guys think of it? I guess I am a Spiritualist, Like my mom is…I like the whole religion, accept for the part of god, I don’t think there is one higher being, but more that one, specific to one person, I would call these Spirit guides. I think that Spirit guides…guide our life…kind of self explanatory. I feel that I have 3-4 Spirit guides that guide my life and have a big impact on it. I “prey” “( I don’t like that word)…wait I will use the word “talk” to them before I go to bed, asking for there guidance and healing power…ect…

[RQ]

What does that have to do with "mediumship"?

If you're referring to that holding-hands-around-a-table-in-the-dark sort of speak-to-your-dead-relatives "mediumship," it's comprised of hacks. At best made up of silly, deluded fools. At worst, people deliberately preying upon the emotional distress of others.

Also, don't you think it's pretty arrogant to assume that "3-4 spirit guides" don't have anything better to do than babysit you all day and night?

[E_Asinus]

Mediumship is being able to communicate to spirits and relay a message to a person. You don’t sit around the table and hold hands. There are many different ways of mediumship.

[RQ]

At best made up of silly, deluded fools. At worst, people deliberately preying upon the emotional distress of others.
QFT

[E_Asinus]

What does that have to do with "mediumship"?


Also, don't you think it's pretty arrogant to assume that "3-4 spirit guides" don't have anything better to do than babysit you all day and night?

They don't Babysit you all day and night! What makes you think that? There are many different types of spirit guides...

Life guides, "Mainly these spirits act as guides to us on earth and are able to influence our thoughts and actions in positive ways"

Helper guides, "influence and assist us by bringing out the innate talents imbedded within our soul's make up"

Relationship Guides "work within our unique energy vibrations to open our harts to love so that we can share our lives with others"

Family Guides "Our family have been with us through many lifetimes"..."I find that there is alot of unfinished business among families because so much of the workit that is do is communication with family members"

"Guides of higher order

The Gatekeeper "This guides main task is to protect us from an obtrusive energy"

Inspirational Guide "This guide impresses ups with spiritual teachings and truths such as compassion. forgiveness and understanding"

Healing Guide "This guide assists us with healing energies"

The information on this page can be found in "ghosts among us" bu James Van Praagh,

[Vendetta]

They don't Babysit you all day and night! What makes you think that? There are many different types of spirit guides...
There are many different forms of gullability too.

Life guides, "Mainly these spirits act as guides to us on earth and are able to influence our thoughts and actions in positive ways"
Oh goodie. Are there spirits I can blame the stupid shit I do on too?

Helper guides, "influence and assist us by bringing out the innate talents imbedded within our soul's make up"
My soul is a dirty tranny, and wears FAR too much make-up.

Relationship Guides "work within our unique energy vibrations to open our harts to love so that we can share our lives with others"
Harts?
http://images.jupiterimages .com/common/detail/48/28/23482848.jpg or http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-images/Arts/Arts_/site_furniture/2007/06/26/harttohart460.jpg

Family Guides "Our family have been with us through many lifetimes"..."I find that there is alot of unfinished business among families because so much of the workit that is do is communication with family members"
Do they make you offers you can't refuse too? Like a fairy godfather?

The Gatekeeper "This guides main task is to protect us from an obtrusive energy"
...and always on the lookout for the Keymaster.

Inspirational Guide "This guide impresses ups with spiritual teachings and truths such as compassion. forgiveness and understanding"
...and writing smarmy Hallmark cards and motivational posters.

Healing Guide "This guide assists us with healing energies"
Or as they are generally called: doctors.

The information on this page can be found in "ghosts among us" bu James Van Praagh,
Wow, way to shill for this retarded book. I'd almost call this borderline spam. Well done.

You know the JREF (James Randi Educational Foundation) offers a standing prize of $1,000,000 for anyone who can demonstrate evidence of any paranormal, supernatural or occult power or event, right? You know, so far no one has claimed the prize. I wonder why that might be.

[E_Asinus]

Or as they are generally called: doctors.

They are also called Healers, They use the body's Energy to to heal. And using people's chakras.

[RQ]

My soul is a dirty tranny, and wears FAR too much make-up.
I... I just might have to make this my new signature.

<3

[Vendetta]

They are also called Healers, They use the body's Energy to to heal. And using people's chakras.
Ahahaha chakras! Man, Van Praagh spouts all this crap in his books? No wonder people pick on him.

Wow, PT Barnum would've LOVED you.

[E_Asinus]

Ahahaha chakras! Man, Van Praagh spouts all this crap in his books? No wonder people pick on him.

Wow, PT Barnum would've LOVED you.

Yes, but it can be found other places besides he book. Spiritualism is a faith and religion. And if Mediumship is such a fraud then why is there a whole religion for it? What about Lurane Warren, John Edwards? They are all mediums. Because you can't do it dosen't mean they cant. Everyone can do it, some better than others, you just need to be open to it.

[RQ]

Yes, but it can be found other places besides he book. Spiritualism is a faith and religion. And if Mediumship is such a fraud then why is there a whole religion for it? What about Lurane Warren, John Edwards? They are all mediums. Because you can't do it dosen't mean they cant. Everyone can do it, some better than others, you just need to be open to it.

Woah.

Please don't suggest that because a bunch of people believe something, it is true. You'll only make yourself look sillier. The world is round, contrary to what EVERYONE believed, for a very long time.

[Vendetta]

Yes, but it can be found other places besides he book. Spiritualism is a faith and religion. And if Mediumship is such a fraud then why is there a whole religion for it? What about Lurane Warren, John Edwards? They are all mediums. Because you can't do it dosen't mean they cant. Everyone can do it, some better than others, you just need to be open to it.
Uh no, they can't DO it. Otherwise some of them would be $1,000,000 richer. Not one of these people actually DOES what they claim (and as I pointed out in that OTHER thread, have been debunked SEVERAL times. And there's religion for it, because, as Barnum said "There's a sucker born every minute."

Welcome to Gullible Morons 101. In today's class I will sell you a bridge in the Brooklyn area.

[MorganaFang]

Hate Edwards, sooooo much. Believe me I can do what he does, in fact anyone can. Con artistry only takes a thinking faster than the suckers watching you. Also lawl for not posting this in spirituality.

[Pickle Tickler]

Watch your asses, boys and girls! My personal spirit Bobby just gave me the low-down on this operation! According to him, your spirits are about to take a spiritual baseball bat to your spiritual noggins! Duck!

[ThrasherCub]

Mediumship is being able to communicate to spirits and relay a message to a person. You don’t sit around the table and hold hands. There are many different ways of mediumship.

That's not "Mediumship," it's knowing and practicing the art of divination.

Spiritualism is a faith and religion.
It's a belief, and therefore a faith, but is not structured enough to qualify as a religion. "Spiritualism" is a word like "Pagan," and we've had this argument a million times with that word.

And if Mediumship is such a fraud then why is there a whole religion for it?
Moonies, Church of Scientology, Jim Jones' Peoples Temple... Seriously, what do you think a cult is?

What about Lurane Warren, John Edwards? They are all mediums.
John Edwards is not a medium. John Edwards is a cold-reading douche bag with slightly disturbing facial expressions. I doubt he'd recognize actual divination even if smacked in the face with the Book of Thoth.

Everyone can do it, some better than others, you just need to be open to it.
^^ Only correct thing you've said thus far. It applies to John Edwards too since anyone can cold-read if they take the time to learn.

PS,
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[E_Asinus]

DEFINITIONS
Adopted by the National Spiritualist Association of Churches


Here Is some light reading for all you out there... i have taken it off of the National Spiritualist Association of Churches. www.nsac.org

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October 1914, 1919, 1930, 1950

Spiritualism is the Science, Philosophy and Religion of continuous life, based upon the demonstrated fact of communication, by means of mediumship, with those who live in the Spirit World. (1919)

"Spiritualism Is a Science" Because it investigates, analyzes and classifies facts and manifestations demonstrated from the spirit side of life.

"Spiritualism Is a Philosophy" because it studies the Laws of Nature both on the seen and unseen sides of life and bases its conclusions upon present observed facts. It accepts statements of observed facts of past ages and conclusions drawn therefrom, when sustained by reason and by results of observed facts of the present day.

"Spiritualism Is a Religion" because it strives to understand and to comply with the Physical, Mental and Spiritual Laws of Nature, which are the laws of God.

A Spiritualist is one who believes, as the basis of his or her religion, in the communication between this and the Spirit World by means of mediumship and who endeavors to mould his or her character and conduct in accordance with the highest teachings derived from such communication. (1914, Rev. 1938)

A Medium is one whose organism is sensitive to vibrations from the spirit world and through whose instrumentality, intelligences in that world are able to convey messages and produce the phenomena of Spiritualism. (1914)

A Spiritualist Healer is one who, either through one's own inherent powers or through mediumship, is able to impart vital, curative force to pathologic conditions. (1930, 1993)

The Phenomena of Spiritualism consists of Prophecy, Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Gift of Tongues, Laying on of Hands, Healing, Visions, Trance, Apports, Levitation, Raps, Automatic and Independent Writings and Paintings, Voice, Materialization, Photography, Psychometry and any other manifestation proving the continuity of life as demonstrated through the Physical and Spiritual senses and faculties of man. (1950)


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Declaration of Principles
We believe in Infinite Intelligence.

We believe that the phenomena of Nature, both physical and spiritual, are the expression of Infinite Intelligence.

We affirm that a correct understanding of such expression and living in accordance therewith, constitute true religion.

We affirm that the existence and personal identity of the individual continue after the change called death.

We affirm that communication with the so-called dead is a fact, scientifically proven by the phenomena of Spiritualism.

We believe that the highest morality is contained in the Golden Rule: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you."

We affirm the moral responsibility of individuals, and that we make our own happiness or unhappiness as we obey or disobey Nature’s physical and spiritual laws.

We affirm that the doorway to reformation is never closed against any soul here or hereafter.

We affirm that the precepts of Prophecy and Healing are Divine attributes proven through Mediumship.

Principles 1-6 adopted in Chicago, Illinois, 1899
Principles 7-8 adopted in Rochester, New York, 1909
Principle 9 adopted in St. Louis, Missouri, 1944
Principle 9 revised in Oklahoma City, 1983
Principle 9 revised in Westfield, New Jersey, 1998
Principle 8 revised in Rochester, New York, 2001
Principle 6 revised in Ronkonkorma, New York, 2004

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What Is a Spiritualist?

A Spiritualist is one who believes, as the basis of his or her religion, in the communication between this and the spirit world by means of mediumship, and who endeavors to mould his or her character and conduct in accordance with the highest teachings derived from such communication.

Can a Spiritualist Accept the Teaching of Jesus?

Yes. A belief in spirit communication does not conflict with the Teachings ascribed to Jesus. The Christian Bible confirms its truth repeatedly. However, Spiritualism is not a branch of Christianity or other major religion. Spiritualism has been recognized by the US Congress as a separate and distinct religion.

Is Spiritualism a Religion?

It is a Religion, Philosophy and Science in one. It has a National Organization, State Associations, numbers of churches, and a solemnly ordained ministry.

What Is a Medium?

A Medium is one whose organism is sensitive to vibrations from the spirit world, and through whose instrumentality, intelligences in that world are able to convey messages and produce the phenomena of Spiritualism.

ThrasherCub
Then Are These Mediums "Fortune-Tellers?"

NO! Our Mediums, many of whom are ordained clergy of our church, thus perform a sacred duty. Communications coming through them, frequently refer to material and everyday matters because you ask for such, and because, to a certain extent, such are necessary to arouse interest and induce further investigation.

Then Why Do Scientists Reject These So-Called Facts?

Some men are so prejudiced that they make no investigations. Others investigate unfairly, demanding material proof of spiritual truths without being willing to assist in forming the spiritual conditions necessary to produce the results desired, which is unfair and as impossible as it would be to carry an electrical message from one city to another oil a silk thread or a ball to twine.

Why Do You Not Attempt to Convince The Scientific World?

Unprejudiced scientist have found no difficulty in finding absolute scientific proof of the possibility of communicating with the spirit people, under proper conditions.

How Can I Know That Any Particular Medium Is Trustworthy?

Most mediums are honest in their intentions, but none can ever claim to be infallible. Such a claim on their part would of itself be a positive proof of their lack of knowledge and honesty, and would prove them unworthy of confidence. The mistrust, by the public, of mediums and of mediumship, is the result largely of ignorance, or superstition on the part of some who have not learned to understand that messages from the Spirit world are natural and do not claim to be supernatural or infallible.

Do You Believe in "Good" and "Evil" Spirits?

We believe there are both intelligent and ignorant spirits. No being is naturally "bad"--evil always originates in ignorance. Merely leaving the physical body does not change the condition of the spirit, which is the actual personality. The spirit must learn to desire, and to progress to higher and better conditions, just as we do on earth.

Then You Do Not Believe in "Magic?"

Decidedly not! "Magic" implies something supernatural; we teach that nothing ever happens, except by action of Natural Law.

Do These Spirits Come from a Heaven, a Purgatory or a Hell?

We do not believe in such places. Communicating spirits have merely graduated from this form of life into another. That life can be heaven or hell-like, just as each spirit chooses to make it; the same applies to our life here on earth.

Will Your Teachings Affect Our Political and Social Life?

They will inevitably revolutionize it and purify it for the reasons just given in the several preceding paragraphs. But we aim to build up---not to tear down. Under our philosophy, by the sure, mental and spiritual growth, development out of improper political and social conditions will be gradually righted requiring no campaign of destruction first.

Definition of a Spiritual Healer
A Spiritualist Healer is one who, either through one's own inherent powers or through mediumship, is able to impart vital, curative force to pathologic conditions.

A Spiritualist Healer works with the spirit, mind, emotions, and the body of the recipient. A Spiritualist Healer is aware that once stress is removed from the mind and emotions, the body will respond naturally. This brings about holistic healing in the patient.

Spiritualist Healers acknowledge the importance of the medical community and work in cooperation with it at all times. Spiritualism recognizes that the medical community is an instrument of healing of the Infinite.


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Prayer for Spiritual Healing
I ask the Great Unseen Healing Force
to remove all obstructions from my mind and body
and to restore me to perfect health.

I ask this in all sincerity and honesty
and I will do my part.

I ask this Great Unseen Healing Force
to help both present and absent ones
who are in need of help
and to restore them to perfect health.

I put my trust in the love and power of God.


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Children's Healing Prayer
I ask God's Healing Power
to make me whole and well.

I know that I work with God,
through my thoughts and actions
to make this healing happen.

I ask God's Healing Power
to heal other people near and far away.

I trust that God will answer
this healing prayer.


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[E_Asinus]

Types of Spiritual Healing
An endless reservoir of healing is available from the spirit side of life for the use of individuals of the Earth Plane. Various methods can be used to tap into this power:

HEALING WITH SPIRIT INTERVENTION

Absent Healing
Absent Healing is a curative power sent to someone at a distance. The healer fLrst cleanses their mind of doubt, the seed from which failure grows. Knowing that healing is a reality aids the healing in allowing healing power to flow through easily. The word impossible disappears from their vocabulary, and true love for the one in need is expressed. Positive prayer creates a bond with Infinite Intelligence and healing spirit entities. Without this help, the healer is powerless to relieve the recipient's condition. The NSAC Prayer for Spiritual Healing is more than mere words. It first appeals to the Unseen Healing Force to cleanse the Healer's mind and body, then asks that it heal others. Finally, it affirms our trust in the Infinite's power and love. Prayer is a mighty force. When linked with energy from the spirit realms, it expands to embrace the positive, eliminates the negative, and helps perfect health to manifest.

Contact Healing
With contact healing the actual physical contact assists the healer transfer curative energy to the recipient. The healer's hand or hands are placed upon the recipient's head, shoulders, or both; thus becomes a conduit through which this energy flows. The spiritual healer may be acting as a transformer of the spiritual energy to make it more readily absorbed by the recipient.

Many contact healers place one hand upon the recipient's forehead and another upon the back of the neck. Contact with the head and shoulders is sufficient for the purpose of healing. Touching the recipient any other place on their body is unnecessary, and charges of unprofessional conduct can result from doing so.

Spirit Healing
With spirit healing, spirit doctors work directly upon the recipient to correct, or relieve conditions. With this type of healing the spirit entity, or entities, do not require the use of a healer in a physical body, but are able to work directly upon the etheric, or spirit body of the person in need.



HEALING WITHOUT SPIRIT INTERVENTION

There are other means of bringing about healing without the intervention of spirit doctors or the Infinite.

Magnetic Healing
A superabundance of magnetic energy within the physical being of some persons helps to facilitate the ready transference of the extra healing energy to others. Yet, however easily this power flows from the magnetic healer, it can also be depleted if too many healings are given in succession.

Suggestive Healing
Suggestive healing is positive thoughts implanted in the mind to serve as a catalyst to promote healing. The finite mind of a person is part of Infinite Spirit and may take positive or negative directions and affirmations have an important role in this method. Affirmations such as: "Every day in every way, I am getting better and better" find a place here since the Law of Like Attracts Like is also at work since like thoughts in turn create like conditions.

Absent, spiritual, spirit, magnetic, and suggestive healing are the most common healing practices found in the Spiritualist church.

The results of Spiritual Healing are produced in several ways:

By spiritual influences working through the body of the medium to transmit curative energies to the diseased parts of the recipient's body.
By spiritual influences enlightening the mind of the medium so that the cause, nature and seat of the disease in the recipient is made known to the medium.
Through the application of absent healing treatments whereby spiritual beings combine their own healing energies with the energies of the medium and cause them to be absorbed by the system of the recipient.

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How Can You Assist in Your Own Healing
Self Healing

Healing of oneself is most important. Suggestive healing is useful along with prayer, or meditation time upon arising or retiring. Search for the time and practice that works best for you, for healing is a personal experience

Healing Groups

Why not start a Healing Group with others of your congregation? Only the sincere should join; for healing is serious business, hard work, and determination is required. As a group, or individually, study the Natural Laws involved with the healing process and investigate sources of information on the subject. If possible, a NSAC Spiritualist Healer should supervise the group.

Each group session should begin and end with a sincere prayer, and all members should be willing to lead if called upon. Singing songs may be used to attune to spirit helpers and Infinite Intelligence, as well as provide energy for the healing to follow.

Group healing resembles absent healing and Love is its driving force. Prayers and affirmations harmonize and give direction to the thoughts of those present and assist the creative visualization of the healing recipient. As a group visualize a light carrying the healing to the recipient, knowing this process will be effective. A closing prayer should include thanks, or gratitude.

Healing enriches our lives and improves our resistance to illness in ways bey6nd our dreams.

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[Vendetta]

DEFINITIONS
Adopted by the National Spiritualist Association of Churches


Here Is some light reading for all you out there... i have taken it off of the National Spiritualist Association of Churches. www.nsac.org
Yeah, except you're WRONG. They are NOT an officially recognized religion in ANY way (except in their own minds.) AFAIK no government or government agency aknowledges them as a religion (and they aknowledge Scientology as one, so that should tell you what BS this is.)

"Spiritualism Is a Science" Because it investigates, analyzes and classifies facts and manifestations demonstrated from the spirit side of life.
Ahahahahaha!!!1!!1on e
Oh man, please continue posting this crap, it's hilarious. Also, that's NOT the definition of Science at ALL.

A Medium is one whose organism is sensitive to vibrations from the spirit world and through whose instrumentality, intelligences in that world are able to convey messages and produce the phenomena of Spiritualism. (1914)
Yeah, I've got a sensitive organ too. Also, using the words 'intelligence' and 'medium' in the same sentence is pretty amusing.

The Phenomena of Spiritualism consists of Prophecy, Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Gift of Tongues, Laying on of Hands, Healing, Visions, Trance, Apports, Levitation, Raps, Automatic and Independent Writings and Paintings, Voice, Materialization, Photography, Psychometry and any other manifestation proving the continuity of life as demonstrated through the Physical and Spiritual senses and faculties of man. (1950)
...and also deception, lying, trickery, obfuscation, and fleecing the gullible.

Declaration of Principles
Wait, you mean they HAVE principles? Coulda fooled me.

We believe in Infinite Intelligence."Sadly, we ourselves lack ANY intelligence."
And the hits just keep rolling in...

We affirm that communication with the so-called dead is a fact, scientifically proven by the phenomena of Spiritualism.
I notice not ONCE on their website do they point to any actual scientific EVIDENCE that proves this.

Can a Spiritualist Accept the Teaching of Jesus?

Yes. A belief in spirit communication does not conflict with the Teachings ascribed to Jesus. The Christian Bible confirms its truth repeatedly. However, Spiritualism is not a branch of Christianity or other major religion. Spiritualism has been recognized by the US Congress as a separate and distinct religion.
Uh, no it HASN'T been recognized by Congress. EVERY damn Spiritualist group says they're recognized as a religion, and not ONE has any proof that they are.

Then Why Do Scientists Reject These So-Called Facts?

Some men are so prejudiced that they make no investigations. Others investigate unfairly, demanding material proof of spiritual truths without being willing to assist in forming the spiritual conditions necessary to produce the results desired, which is unfair and as impossible as it would be to carry an electrical message from one city to another oil a silk thread or a ball to twine.
So wait, how can they claim to be a science and yet NOT give any scientific/observable evidence.

Why Do You Not Attempt to Convince The Scientific World?

Unprejudiced scientist have found no difficulty in finding absolute scientific proof of the possibility of communicating with the spirit people, under proper conditions.
HA! "Under proper conditions" indeed. Seriously, they need to shut up about science. They would be better off with the religion angle.

How Can I Know That Any Particular Medium Is Trustworthy?

Most mediums are honest in their intentions, but none can ever claim to be infallible. Such a claim on their part would of itself be a positive proof of their lack of knowledge and honesty, and would prove them unworthy of confidence. The mistrust, by the public, of mediums and of mediumship, is the result largely of ignorance, or superstition on the part of some who have not learned to understand that messages from the Spirit world are natural and do not claim to be supernatural or infallible.
They don't claim to be supernatural, yet they can talk to dead people? And no it's NOT the result of ignorance.

Definition of a Spiritual Healer
A Spiritualist Healer is one who, either through one's own inherent powers or through mediumship, is able to impart vital, curative force to pathologic conditions.
Also called psychosomatic healing.

Spiritualist Healers acknowledge the importance of the medical community and work in cooperation with it at all times. Spiritualism recognizes that the medical community is an instrument of healing of the Infinite.
Too bad the medical community doesn't recognize spiritualist "healers" as anything (other than charlatans and fakers, that often do more harm than good.)

Man, you are a gullible tool.

[ThrasherCub]

A Spiritualist is one who believes, as the basis of his or her religion, in the communication between this and the Spirit World by means of mediumship and who endeavors to mould his or her character and conduct in accordance with the highest teachings derived from such communication. (1914, Rev. 1938)
In other words, it's Thelema except more stupid. Great.

A Medium is one whose organism is sensitive to vibrations from the spirit world and through whose instrumentality, intelligences in that world are able to convey messages and produce the phenomena of Spiritualism. (1914)
Fail. That's anyone who puts effort into learning divination.

The Phenomena of Spiritualism consists of Prophecy, Clairvoyance, Clairaudience, Gift of Tongues, Laying on of Hands, Healing, Visions, Trance, Apports, Levitation, Raps, Automatic and Independent Writings and Paintings, Voice, Materialization, Photography, Psychometry and any other manifestation proving the continuity of life as demonstrated through the Physical and Spiritual senses and faculties of man. (1950)
The Phenomena of Spiritualism evidently consists of magick. Good for you. That's not special.

We believe that the phenomena of Nature, both physical and spiritual, are the expression of Infinite Intelligence.
You believe in reality and a primitive conception of enlightenment. Seriously, the more I read your post the more I realize that "Spiritualism" is nothing but teeny slivers of several religions crudely plastered together with a false understanding of magick. Enjoy your cult.

ThrasherCub
Then Are These Mediums "Fortune-Tellers?"

NO! Our Mediums, many of whom are ordained clergy of our church, thus perform a sacred duty. Communications coming through them, frequently refer to material and everyday matters because you ask for such, and because, to a certain extent, such are necessary to arouse interest and induce further investigation.
I enjoy that you address that part directly to me even though I'm probably the only person who has replied who believes in divination. My point was simply that performing divination doesn't make you some special medium. It just means you know and practice divination. That's it.

The mistrust, by the public, of mediums and of mediumship, is the result largely of ignorance, or superstition on the part of some who have not learned to understand that messages from the Spirit world are natural and do not claim to be supernatural or infallible.
That, and there have been several so-called mediums who have been shown to be utter frauds. And for a moment of clarification, since you seem confused about what I do and do not believe, I have full confidence of the tarot reader I know from the local pagan store, and in fact the only reason I haven't gotten a reading from her is because I am fully capable of doing it myself.

We believe there are both intelligent and ignorant spirits. No being is naturally "bad"--evil always originates in ignorance.
You are officially the laughing stock of magicians everywhere. Enjoy your Qlipothic entities.

Prayer for Spiritual Healing
I ask the Great Unseen Healing Force
to remove all obstructions from my mind and body
and to restore me to perfect health.

I ask this in all sincerity and honesty
and I will do my part.

I ask this Great Unseen Healing Force
to help both present and absent ones
who are in need of help
and to restore them to perfect health.

I put my trust in the love and power of God.
You just prayed to a being that you in previous posts said was your problem with religion.

Here, serious test to see if Mediums are full of shit. Have them contact a spirit named Choronzon. ("ch" is pronounced as K, first "o" is pronounced as in the word "oar," other two are pronounced as in "on.") Once you've got contact with ol' 333, say something to him.

PS, thanks for posting all that.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y19/ThrasherCub/Bashing/1209624901923.jpg

[Buddha Monkey]

So, important question. Was there a full moon that I missed?

Wicca is a religion. Spiritualism is part of Wicca. Not the other way around. EVERY religion has spiritualism involved in it. THEY BELIEVE IN A FUCKING SPIRIT!

[ThrasherCub]

So, important question. Was there a full moon that I missed?

Wicca is a religion. Spiritualism is part of Wicca. Not the other way around. EVERY religion has spiritualism involved in it. THEY BELIEVE IN A FUCKING SPIRIT!

Ooh, but it's more complex than just believing in a spirit. They also believe in reality, nature, and communication with the spirit world (like every religion which believes in prayer).