Christ's true identity.

[dwulf]

I'm a bit confused about the identity of Jesus Christ. Is he God in the flesh or the son of God? I don't really understand. Can anyone help me out a little here?

[RQ]

It depends on what religion you are.

If you're a Jewish or Muslim, Jesus was a prophet.
If you're Hindu, Jesus was one of many sons of God, along with Muhammad and most other purpotedly holy men.
If you're Christian, Jesus was the only son of God, and at the same time a facet of God himself, found within the triforce of power, the Father/Son/Spirit - three parts of the same deity. Also, he died for all of our sins so that if you lead a good life and are sincerely sorry for your transgressions, you can go to heaven.

[dwulf]

(raises brow)Interesting. I've never heard of a Hindu interpretation of Christ. Probably because I never took the time to look into it.

[Rascaduanok]

If you're a Jewish or Muslim, Jesus was a prophet.
Jews don’t accept Jesus as a prophet!

[punxnotdead]

RQ, you are right about the christianity, though some people believe that good deeds can get someone to heaven, while other intepritations reveal that one must first accept Jesus Christ as their only Lord and Savior.

[RQ]

Jews don’t accept Jesus as a prophet!
They don't accept that Jesus was the son of god, or a savior; they do accept that he was one of many prophets.

[Pickle Tickler]

Jews don’t accept Jesus as a prophet!

Umm, yeah, they did. They called him a madman and a heretic later on, but yes, they regard(ed) him as a prophet.

In Christianity (or at least the way I learned it) He is both God and not God at the same time, a part but also a whole.

[john the baptist]

The Holy Trinity is a complex subject.

[J.L.R.]

Not really...

God Father = Mind of God
God the Son = Heart of God (flesh)
God the Holy Spirit = Soul of God

One God, but three separate parts, just as we have one body, but three aspects... Mind/ Flesh/ Soul... well that interpretation of course depends on your religion..

And Gil... I still haven't forgotten you... I'm still working on it... :P

[Ves]

Of course if you want to get really technical, he almost certainly wasn't even called Jesus (which is a Greek name iirc). Almost everything I've ever read on the subject has him down as Yeshua - but names with vowels on the end are usually feminine in Greek so the name got changed.

There is also a theory that there was not one but two Christs at the time one being a warrior/war leader/etc. and the other being the healer/spiritual leader/etc. Even more heretically, some proponents of this theory reckon that the "other" Christ was Barabas (the dude that got let off by Pilate as part of Passover - which incidentally there's not much evidence actually happened).
I'm not sure I subscribe to this theory myself, though it does deal with certain discrepancies like if Jesus is a pacifist, why does he at one point tell his disciples to get themselves tooled up and other similar bits.

[punxnotdead]

[QUOTE=Ves;292338]Of course if you want to get really technical, he almost certainly wasn't even called Jesus (which is a Greek name iirc). Almost everything I've ever read on the subject has him down as Yeshua - but names with vowels on the end are usually feminine in Greek so the name got changed.[QUOTE]

There are so many different perceptions on God in history, but I think I've heard him being named something similiar in Arabic(?), but at the moment, I can't remember.

[Gilenea]

And Gil... I still haven't forgotten you... I'm still working on it... :P

And here I'd all but given up...

Gil

[Pickle Tickler]

There are so many different perceptions on God in history, but I think I've heard him being named something similiar in Arabic(?), but at the moment, I can't remember.

I bet you're thinking of Yahweh (sp?) or Emeth.

[Vendetta]

In Christianity (or at least the way I learned it) He is both God and not God at the same time
Sort of a Schrödinger's Messiah complex.

[RQ]

Sort of a Schrödinger's Messiah complex.
RQ says thank you to Vendetta for this useful post.

[punxnotdead]

I bet you're thinking of Yahweh (sp?) or Emeth.

I think that's it :)

[dwulf]

One of my buddies, who's a satanist, told me that Christ never claimed to be divine but that the "son of God" part was added in later years.

In fact, Matthew and Luke did a banged up job of making jesus legendary. You see, first of all, these losers never even met Jesus. They popped up a long time after he died. They claimed that Jesus fulfilled the prophecy that the messiah would be a descendant of David. Okay, supposedly, Joseph is David's descendant, but Jesus isn't Joseph's son, but God's. So the fact that Joseph is a descendant of David is irrelevant, don't you think. Come on. That there should give you a hint that these guys were just making this shit up as they went along. So Jesus wasn't a descendant of David afterall. If so, then he wasn't the son of God.


Jesus was not divine. He was no savior. You are your own savior. Only you can save yourself. Jesus was nothing more than a power-hungry, whore-loving carpenter with a martyr complex. Either that or some sort of cosmic zombie that can give you super powers if you eat him. *cringes*Yuck.