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11-21-2003, 11:55 AM
I've always heard this story but never thought much about it but recently came across an article and thought some might find it of interest.


The Great Moon Hoax
During the final week of August 1835, a long article appeared in serial form on the front page of the New York Sun. It bore the headline:

http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/thesun.jpg

GREAT ASTRONOMICAL DISCOVERIES
LATELY MADE
BY SIR JOHN HERSCHEL, L.L.D. F.R.S. &c.
At the Cape of Good Hope
[From Supplement to the Edinburgh Journal of Science]

http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/herschel.jpg
The article began by triumphantly listing a series of stunning astronomical breakthroughs that the famous British astronomer, Sir John Herschel, had apparently made "by means of a telescope of vast dimensions and an entirely new principle." Herschel, the article declared, had established a "new theory of cometary phenomena"; he had discovered planets in other solar systems; and he had "solved or corrected nearly every leading problem of mathematical astronomy." Then, almost as if it were an afterthought, the article revealed Herschel's final, stunning achievement. He had discovered life on the moon.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/beavers.jpg Biped Beavers: Detail from an 1836 English pamphlet

The article continued on and offered an elaborate account of the fantastic sights viewed by Herschel during his telescopic observation of the moon. It described a lunar topography that included vast forests, inland seas, and lilac-hued quartz pyramids. Readers learned that herds of bison wandered across the plains of the moon; that blue unicorns perched on its hilltops; and that spherical, amphibious creatures rolled across its beaches. The highpoint of the narrative came when it revealed that Herschel had found evidence of intelligent life on the moon: he had discovered both a primitive tribe of hut-dwelling, fire-wielding biped beavers,
and a race of winged humans living in pastoral harmony around a mysterious, golden-roofed temple. Herschel dubbed these latter creatures the Vespertilio-homo, or "man-bat".
http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/moonman.jpg Vespertilio-homo: Illustration from an Italian edition of the moon hoax, 1836


The article, of course, was an elaborate hoax. Herschel had not really observed life on the moon, nor had he accomplished any of the other astronomical breakthroughs credited to him in the article. In fact, Herschel was not even aware until much later that such discoveries had been attributed to him. However, the New York Sun managed to sell thousands of copies of the article before the public realized that it had been hoaxed.

Although the Sun managed to sell many copies of the moon hoax, it is not clear whether people at the time actually believed the story, or simply found it to be an entertaining topic of debate. Various eyewitnesses to the hoax assure us that the credulity was general. For instance, one reporter, writing 18 years after the event, recalled how the hoax was received at Yale College:
http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/moonscene2.jpg "Lunar Discoveries"
Lithograph that appeared in the New York Sun, Friday, October 16, 1835

Yale College was alive with staunch supporters. The literati—students and professors, doctors in divinity and law—and all the rest of the reading community, looked daily for the arrival of the New York mail with unexampled avidity and implicit faith. Have you seen the accounts of Sir John Herschel's wonderful discoveries? Have you read the Sun? Have you heard the news of the man in the Moon? These were the questions that met you every where. It was the absorbing topic of the day. Nobody expressed or entertained a doubt as to the truth of the story.
http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/moonprint2.jpg 1835 lithograph depicting the Ruby Colosseum


However, many discussions of the hoax that appeared in papers at the time of its first publication were openly skeptical of it. For instance, on August 29, 1835 the New York Commercial Advertiser had this to say about the hoax:

It is well done, and makes a pleasant piece of reading enough, especially for such as have a sufficient stock of available credulity; but we can hardly understand how any man of common sense should read it without at once perceiving the deception. Without referring to the monstrosities of the story itself, can any one suppose for a moment that such preparations as are described, should have been made without a word of notice in the english papers? Preparations going on for years—an object of glass of twenty-four feet in diameter—a donation of ten thousand pounds by the king—consultations with Sir David Brewster—and other extravagancies not less preposterous!
http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/moonprint.jpg "Lunar Temples"
Detail from an 1835 lithograph



Authorship of the hoax is usually attributed to Richard Adams Locke, a Cambridge-educated reporter who was working for the Sun. However, Locke never publicly admitted to being the author of the hoax, and rumors have persisted that others were also involved in the production of the story. Two men in particular have been mentioned in connection with the hoax: Jean-Nicolas Nicollet, a French astronomer who was travelling through America at the time (though he was in Mississippi, not New York, when the moon hoax appeared), and Lewis Gaylord Clark, editor of the Knickerbocker Magazine. However, there is no real evidence to suggest that anyone but Locke was the author of the hoax.

http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/images/ralocke.jpg Richard Adams Locke,
author of the moon hoax

Despite the intense public speculation about the moon story, the Sun never publicly conceded that it was a hoax. On September 16, 1835 the Sun did publish a column in which it discussed the possibility that the story was a hoax, but it never confessed to anything. Quite the contrary. It wrote that, "Certain correspondents have been urging us to come out and confess the whole to be a hoax; but this we can by no means do, until we have the testimony of the English or Scotch papers to corroborate such a declaration." This is the closest the Sun ever came to an admission of guilt.


You can read the actual printing of the Moon Hoax here. (http://www.museumofhoaxes.c om/moonhoax1.html)

BlackRosePhantom
06-14-2007, 05:16 PM
Interesting

Aeolus
06-14-2007, 06:47 PM
People will believe lots of things.

Did you know the moon landing was filmed in a studio?:D

RQ
06-14-2007, 07:55 PM
People will believe lots of things.

Did you know the moon landing was filmed in a studio?:DI believe a lot of things too. I believe you are a moron, and I believe that resurrecting a four-year-old thread so he could call it "interesting" makes BlackRosePhantom a moron as well. You two should get along famously.

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/conspiracy_theories. png

Aeolus
06-14-2007, 07:57 PM
I was joking around about the moon, you dumbass.

And your webcomic was less than prog or entertaining, like all webcomics.

RQ
06-14-2007, 09:10 PM
I was joking around about the moon, you dumbass.

And your webcomic was less than prog or entertaining, like all webcomics.I suppose it's become hard to distinguish your genuinely inane statements from your inadvertent ones.

Ahaha! I've just noticed you added your age to your name/avatar info. You're 16. That explains so much! The whiny, attention-seeking behavior, the thinking you know everything about everything and everyone. Man. I'm so glad I have an explanation now for the heap of nonsense you post on this board.

You just don't know any better.

BlackRosePhantom
06-14-2007, 09:31 PM
I believe a lot of things too. I believe you are a moron, and I believe that resurrecting a four-year-old thread so he could call it "interesting" makes BlackRosePhantom a moron as well. You two should get along famously.

Hey, the post was never closed ( and that's not my fault) and the title, "Winged Creatures on the moon" had me curious for a few days so I finally checked it out. Sorry for stating my opinion on the subject. I don't being called a moron nor being compared Aereolus (no offense to Aereolus, I really don't like being compared at all, I try to be as unique and indifferent as possible). Again, it was never closed; it is not was my fault for the MODs not closing and keeping it up for about four years.

MorganaFang
06-14-2007, 10:11 PM
Again, it was never closed; it is not was my fault for the MODs not closing and keeping it up for about four years.

Dude, years pass and mod's have lives off the internet. It is NOT ours nor the administrators responsibility to go through every stupid thread and close it because it still exists (under hundreds of other threads) after so many years.

When you do the damn search and find certain threads you want to further discuss. Look at the date and decide if you whether or not you really want to revive a zombie or just start a new thread.

edit: And another thing, if all anyone wants to do is bitch and moan about how bad a job the mods are doing then why don't they go and maintain their own board. Jeez

Rele WT
06-15-2007, 06:12 AM
Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think BlackRosePhantom was trying to say the mods are doing a bad job, just that it's not like the thread had been locked...

But, nowthat the thread has been turned into a zombie and risen from the dead, I would like to say that I think that's very odd. I hadn't heard about.

Shield_Wulf
06-15-2007, 06:21 AM
Damn you Necromancers!!!!

Rele WT
06-15-2007, 09:17 AM
Are you calling me a person who uses black magic? Because I don't.

BlackRosePhantom
06-15-2007, 10:41 AM
Damn you Necromancers!!!!

Ya... you do know what a zombie thread is, right? It has nothing to do with necromancy at all.

MorganaFang
06-15-2007, 12:14 PM
Now, I could be wrong, but I don't think BlackRosePhantom was trying to say the mods are doing a bad job, just that it's not like the thread had been locked...

I had the direct quote "Again, it was never closed; it is not was my fault for the MODs not closing and keeping it up for about four years." That Little emphasis on the mods part is quite telling. It's not like I'm asking for our asses to get kissed here what I'd like is for people to use some common sense on their own without having to have the mods baby proof everything for them.


Ya... you do know what a zombie thread is, right? It has nothing to do with necromancy at all.

It's a joke... How do some zombies rise? Through necromancy, thus a zombie thread would rise because of thread necromancer.

And if you want to know why mods keep threads up like this after someone has "necromanced" is to make an example of how lacking in common sense some of the posters can be. It's been called out as a zombie thread. Therefore one should assess that you should not be continuing to post in it. Especially not one liners.

Ideally, if people used a couple more brain cells (I know it's strenuous!) mods should not have to do everything when members are perfectly capable of making decisions for themselves. Course that is an ideal situation.

Aeolus
06-15-2007, 07:25 PM
I suppose it's become hard to distinguish your genuinely inane statements from your inadvertent ones.

Ahaha! I've just noticed you added your age to your name/avatar info. You're 16. That explains so much! The whiny, attention-seeking behavior, the thinking you know everything about everything and everyone. Man. I'm so glad I have an explanation now for the heap of nonsense you post on this board.



You just don't know any better.

Yeah... I would just love to see you in person, I bet you complain every extra chance to get. Characterizing teenagers with such degenerate descriptions is hilarious, because

A- you were one.

B- you probably haven't grown much.

C- I am surrounded by human beings who 'whine' in one way or another, and in little old Idaho, we have plenty of macho rednecks that would typically be the ones to refrain from that kind of behavior.

Rele WT
06-15-2007, 08:46 PM
I had the direct quote "Again, it was never closed; it is not was my fault for the MODs not closing and keeping it up for about four years." That Little emphasis on the mods part is quite telling. It's not like I'm asking for our asses to get kissed here what I'd like is for people to use some common sense on their own without having to have the mods baby proof everything for them.




It's a joke... How do some zombies rise? Through necromancy, thus a zombie thread would rise because of thread necromancer.

And if you want to know why mods keep threads up like this after someone has "necromanced" is to make an example of how lacking in common sense some of the posters can be. It's been called out as a zombie thread. Therefore one should assess that you should not be continuing to post in it. Especially not one liners.

Ideally, if people used a couple more brain cells (I know it's strenuous!) mods should not have to do everything when members are perfectly capable of making decisions for themselves. Course that is an ideal situation.

If someone thinks that a thread is interesting though, it really shouldn't matter how old it is. There's no rule that I know of that says you can't post on an old and dead thread.

RQ
06-15-2007, 10:46 PM
4.Zombie Threads -- It happens. A good, long discussion takes place on a topic, but eventually the conversation dies down and the thread falls cold. It's slowly buried by other, newer threads. Most of the time, this is a good thing in that there is just nothing else to add to the conversation and that is possibly why the threads die.

The problem is that frequently people will resurrect a dead thread (hence the name "Zombie Thread") to add something that is by no means worthwhile. If you're going to bring back a thread that is older than one month, your post had better be wonderful and full of merit..

"Interesting" can hardly be called a worthwhile statement.

Shield_Wulf
06-15-2007, 10:49 PM
Damn you Red_Queen, you bet me to it. I was going to do that. Stay out of my head.

MorganaFang
06-15-2007, 11:35 PM
If someone thinks that a thread is interesting though, it really shouldn't matter how old it is. There's no rule that I know of that says you can't post on an old and dead thread.


---------->Hey all.

We typically are pretty draconian about the revival of zombie threads. In general, that's considered a no-no. But it's been suggested that if the person reviving the zombie thread is actually contributing to the thread in some way, rather than just saying something like "me too," then it might be worthwhile to let the thread stand.

So while we appreciate all your efforts reporting inappropriate threads, we'll probably be a little less hardnosed about killing zombie threads.

Thanks. :)

I'd say "interesting" was pretty on par with "me too" for being just a one worded post

bu...but... of course you know more than me on the matter. Read all the board rules, even called me in another thread when I was off topic for instructing someone to pay attention to the rules. Funny enough for a one worded post again.

No one is discussing anything of the topic anymore, they're throwing insults left and right... Though be my guest ACTUALLY DISCUSS THE TOPIC. Go on, for realsies.

BlackRosePhantom
06-16-2007, 12:07 AM
Well if you insist,personally I can't believe anyone believe the story. The things that were mentioned to be on the moon were ridiculous. Temples? Blue unicorns? Bison? Even back then, every person that read it should have been able to tell it was a hoax. Come on, the creatures weren't even original. Also, the man-bats? Wouldn't every Christian and "humans-own-everything" utterly refute this crap? That and there have been observations on the moon before. Where were the scientist to contribute their knowledge on the subject? How did this even survive the first copy, let alone the editors and publishers of the first article? I find it disturbingly interesting that people could be that stupid. I also find it unnaturally interesting that Christians (the average normal person of the time) would not refute this. How stupid do you have to be to believe this crap just because a newspaper reported this? I know people blindingly believe stuff from the bible, but a newspaper? That brings up something else, why wasn't the issue of reporting a false article in courts? Did the law find it OK for someone to sell another person something that was false because they brought up the "possibility" of it being a hoax? The article is frustratingly interesting for those reasons. Is that "contributing" enough for you?

Rele WT
06-16-2007, 09:51 AM
Okay, well I'm sorry if I've offended, or angered, or anything like that to all of you. I'm just going to stop posting here before I get into evenmore of a fight than this already is. I'm sorry too, I didn't notice that rule about the zombie threads before, I wouldn't have even posted here in the first place if I had. So, good day, I'm sure I'll see you all around.