Muslim

[jordanhitler]

To be completely honest, I haven't the slightest clue what it is. I mean when I really think about it I don't know exactly how Muslim comes to play in Christianity and Judaism. The only thing I can concretely say about its believes is that it has something to do with the prophet Muhammad.

On the other hand, I do have some theories on its followers, on its, believers, if you will. To be fully clear, I could honestly care less what religion you are, if you follow what you believe and it makes you happy, great, you just keep doing your thing. I personally feel that the followers of Muslim, however, have stepped out of line. When it comes down to threatening others because they don't believe in what you believe in, and in some cases, even killing them, we have a serious problem somewhere.

I'm not going to jump the gun and say that that problem is in the Muslim religion itself, but perhaps the problem is with its followers. Let us consider that things like homosexuality, certain artistic expression, and female equality are not only frowned upon in Predominant Muslim societies, but punished, often with death. Now lets consider, the western religion, the modern day Christianity considers homosexuality a sin, so still in some parts of the country, homosexuality is looked down upon. However, no where in the United States, is it illegal for people to engage in homosexual behavior, or engage in homosexual intercourse. So as some would consider the United States a predominantly Christian country, the law of our supposed religion is not enforced by our government.

Granted, there are still many places in the United States where Religious tolerance may still need work, but I think its clear that we are still several steps ahead of a Muslim ruled country, firstly for the simple fact that countries still can be ruled by a single religion. Granted most if not all US presidents where Christian, however, I don't recall any of them using their executive power to force their religious beliefs on their people.

Once again, I really don't want people to think that I have a problem with the Muslim religion, I don't. My problem lies with how the followers of Muslim should so choose to pursue their fate. Under most circumstances I don't care how people choose to pursue their faith, after all its their faith isn't it? No, my problem is when they cross the line and make people suffer who do not share their faith, or worse yet, their own people for straying from that faith.

[Vendetta]

I personally feel that the followers of Muslim, however, have stepped out of line. When it comes down to threatening others because they don't believe in what you believe in, and in some cases, even killing them, we have a serious problem somewhere.
Ahahahahahaha
First off, the religion is Islam, the people who follow are Muslims. Second, are you even aware how stupid you sound? You start by saying you don't know anything about this religion, then proceed to say you don't like followers of it because somewhere you saw Muslims doing bad things. Did you ever think that maybe they would be doing bad things whether or NOT they were Muslim? Also, if you knew even the first thing about Islam you would blame the individuals and not the religion.

I'm not going to jump the gun and say that that problem is in the Muslim religion itself, but perhaps the problem is with its followers.
Oh, OK. But that's not what you just said though.

Let us consider that things like homosexuality, certain artistic expression, and female equality are not only frowned upon in Predominant Muslim societies, but punished, often with death.
Wow, much like Christianity still is in a lot of places too. You might want to also reread the Bible, and see how women are treated.

Now lets consider, the western religion, the modern day Christianity considers homosexuality a sin, so still in some parts of the country, homosexuality is looked down upon. However, no where in the United States, is it illegal for people to engage in homosexual behavior, or engage in homosexual intercourse.
Are you serious?! Up until 2002, 14 states STILL had anti-sodomy laws, quite a few pertaining JUST to homosexuals. And just because something isn't illegal, doesn't mean you won't be harrassed or even killed for being openly homosexual.

Granted, there are still many places in the United States where Religious tolerance may still need work, but I think its clear that we are still several steps ahead of a Muslim ruled country, firstly for the simple fact that countries still can be ruled by a single religion. Granted most if not all US presidents where Christian, however, I don't recall any of them using their executive power to force their religious beliefs on their people.
Please go back an reread history.

Once again, I really don't want people to think that I have a problem with the Muslim religion, I don't. My problem lies with how the followers of Muslim should so choose to pursue their fate.
When you say followers of the religion, it sounds like you mean all of them. That, I would say, encompasses the whole religion. And do you even KNOW many Muslims?

No, my problem is when they cross the line and make people suffer who do not share their faith, or worse yet, their own people for straying from that faith.
Except this distinction isn't unique to certain followers of Islam, it exists in EVERY faith.

Maybe instead of starting this thread and spouting your mouth off about something you know nothing about. Maybe you should read up on Islam (http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/), then visit a local mosque and talk to their Imam and ask what their religion is all about. Just a thought.

[RQ]

Granted, there are still many places in the United States where Religious tolerance may still need work, but I think its clear that we are still several steps ahead of a Muslim ruled country, firstly for the simple fact that countries still can be ruled by a single religion. Granted most if not all US presidents where Christian, however, I don't recall any of them using their executive power to force their religious beliefs on their people.
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[dwulf]

As far as I'm concerned, organized religion of any kind is a bad idea. I'm not going to pounce on you for talking shit about Islam. But I will say this. Islam is not much different from Christianity or Judaism. They're all equally fucked up.

[BoxedCat]

I'm going to go ahead and put this forward before all the replies. I live with a Muslim, he's an honestly good guy, and we've had some great conversations on fanatics from Islam, Christianity, and what the mainstream religious world thinks about all of it. I consider myself relatively well-informed at this point in order to reply in a mature manner.

To be completely honest, I haven't the slightest clue what it is. I mean when I really think about it I don't know exactly how Islam comes to play in Christianity and Judaism. The only thing I can concretely say about its believes is that it has something to do with the prophet Muhammad.

On the other hand, I do have some theories on its followers, on its, believers, if you will. To be fully clear, I could honestly care less what religion you are, if you follow what you believe and it makes you happy, great, you just keep doing your thing. I personally feel that the followers of Islam, however, have stepped out of line. When it comes down to threatening others because they don't believe in what you believe in, and in some cases, even killing them, we have a serious problem somewhere.

In this case, you're looking at the actions of a few. Most practicing Muslims are perfectly peaceful, outside of the jihadist fundamentalists, and the tenets of Islam are essentially the same as Christianity. Once could make the same argument for the practicing Christians in America versus the vocal (and actionable) minority.

I'm not going to jump the gun and say that that problem is in the Muslim religion itself, but perhaps the problem is with its followers. Let us consider that things like homosexuality, certain artistic expression, and female equality are not only frowned upon in Predominant Muslim societies, but punished, often with death. Now lets consider, the western religion, the modern day Christianity considers homosexuality a sin, so still in some parts of the country, homosexuality is looked down upon. However, no where in the United States, is it illegal for people to engage in homosexual behavior, or engage in homosexual intercourse. So as some would consider the United States a predominantly Christian country, the law of our supposed religion is not enforced by our government.

Again, it tends to differ where you go in the Muslim world. And, as a precursor, sodomy is illegal in Alabama, Florida, Idaho, Louisiana, Mississippi, North Carolina, South Carolina, Utah and Virginia.

The problem with the points you're making isn't that the followers are the problem, but rather, the policy makers. You did hear recently that Iran, a state governed by a strictly fundamentalist regime (puppet-president notwithstanding), stated that they had NO homosexuals? Do you find this slightly hard to believe?

In a no-tolerance environment, obviously everyone will attempt to toe the line, regardless of what goes on behind closed doors.

Granted, there are still many places in the United States where Religious tolerance may still need work, but I think its clear that we are still several steps ahead of a Muslim ruled country, firstly for the simple fact that countries still can be ruled by a single religion. Granted most if not all US presidents where Christian, however, I don't recall any of them using their executive power to force their religious beliefs on their people.

Please see the policies of our current president

Once again, I really don't want people to think that I have a problem with the Muslim religion, I don't. My problem lies with how the followers of Islam should so choose to pursue their fate. Under most circumstances I don't care how people choose to pursue their faith, after all its their faith isn't it? No, my problem is when they cross the line and make people suffer who do not share their faith, or worse yet, their own people for straying from that faith.

An interesting point, to be sure, but only one for the FOX news channel.

I challenge you to get to know someone of the Islamic faith and intellectually talk to them about all of this. You'll find we're not so different.

[jordanhitler]

Splendid responses,

I suppose in many of the points pointed out by vendetta, you could certainly find that Christianity and Islam where nearly identical in their beliefs, comparatively. But if I wanted to slam the religions of multiple people I wouldn't have named the thread "Muslim" or Islam or whatever.

I'm quite certain that if I went somewhere in my own city and picked out some Muslims they would be fairly nice and humble people. Now maybe the same thing can be said for somewhere in a middle-eastern country, but it is agreeable that there is a definite difference between the influence of Christianity in the United States and Islam in a middle-eastern country.

As far as the anti-sodomy laws in certain states, I seriously doubt the merit of those laws. If a gay couple is brought to the police in one of those states for having sex with each other, and gets punished for it, I would be very surprised. Some of those laws are just old and not taken to heart, just like I'm sure just as its legal in Idaho to shoot Indians in parties of three or more, you would still be properly prosecuted for it. Come to think of it the anti-sodomy law was a pretty stupid thing to bring up in the first place. This only shows the fact that the United States, although was once in the same state of religious control as an Islam controlled place, has made great strides in tolerance and equality.

I will not deny that the Christian religions have just as many or more flaws as Islam, but it has evolved in America, and is no longer in control of the government. Islam is still in control of certain Arabic nations, and it needs to evolve just as Christianity has in America.

I think there is a certain stereotyping that the American people have for the Islam religion due to watching and being presented with the violence in predominant Islam Nations. So much to an extent that they sometimes forget that Christianity is no better.

My hope is that if perhaps the Muslim people are presented with the folly of there own religion, they, much like Christians, will not allow their government to be ruled by it.

[Vendetta]

Jordan, how old are you? Because you are quite possibly the most naive person I've ever spoken to, who hasn't been 16 or younger.

[Tempest]

But if I wanted to slam the religions of multiple people I wouldn't have named the thread "Muslim" or Islam or whatever.

That's the thing, though. You're slamming a religion that you don't even know the proper name of.
I'd really suggest reading up on Islam before making such rash claims. This (http://www.religioustoleran ce.org/islam.htm) is a great place to start. See, right on top what it says?
"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625.

[jordanhitler]

"If anyone harms (others), God will harm him, and if anyone shows hostility to others, God will show hostility to him." Sunan of Abu-Dawood, Hadith 1625.

2.191. "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."

4.74. "Let those fight in the cause of Allah Who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fighteth in the cause of Allah,- whether he is slain or gets victory - Soon shall We give him a reward of great (value)."

4.101. "For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

5.51. "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."

8.14. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire."

Because of such scripture, it is pointless to play picking and choosing your quotes. The passage you showed has just as much meaning to me as the ones I gave.

I don't take any of these passages seriously, just like I don't take the one you gave seriously. The problem with people in Arabic nations is, they do take them seriously, as a matter of fact, it is law. Women who go outside unaccompanied by a man are killed, thieves do have there hands chopped off, homosexuals are killed, and then we have some conflicting passages in the Qu'ran.

Now if I'm going to be called close minded for saying that doing these things is a little unreasonable, then so be it. But where does the law come from in these places, the law comes from the Qu'ran.

[RQ]

Judges 19:25
But the men would not listen to him. So the man took his concubine and sent her outside to them, and they raped her and abused her throughout the night, and at dawn they let her go.
Judges 19:24-26 (in Context) Judges 19 (Whole Chapter)
Judges 20:5
During the night the men of Gibeah came after me and surrounded the house, intending to kill me. They raped my concubine, and she died.
Judges 20:4-6 (in Context) Judges 20 (Whole Chapter)
2 Samuel 13:14
But he refused to listen to her, and since he was stronger than she, he raped her.
2 Samuel 13:13-15 (in Context) 2 Samuel 13 (Whole Chapter)
2 Samuel 13:32
But Jonadab son of Shimeah, David's brother, said, "My lord should not think that they killed all the princes; only Amnon is dead. This has been Absalom's expressed intention ever since the day Amnon raped his sister Tamar.
2 Samuel 13:31-33 (in Context) 2 Samuel 13 (Whole Chapter)
Zechariah 14:2
I will gather all the nations to Jerusalem to fight against it; the city will be captured, the houses ransacked, and the women raped. Half of the city will go into exile, but the rest of the people will not be taken from the city. 6.Leviticus 26:7
You will pursue your enemies, and they will fall by the sword before you.
Leviticus 26:6-8 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

7. Leviticus 26:8
Five of you will chase a hundred, and a hundred of you will chase ten thousand, and your enemies will fall by the sword before you.
Leviticus 26:7-9 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

8.Leviticus 26:16
then I will do this to you: I will bring upon you sudden terror, wasting diseases and fever that will destroy your sight and drain away your life. You will plant seed in vain, because your enemies will eat it.
Leviticus 26:15-17 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

9.Leviticus 26:17
I will set my face against you so that you will be defeated by your enemies; those who hate you will rule over you, and you will flee even when no one is pursuing you.
Leviticus 26:16-18 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

10. Leviticus 26:32
I will lay waste the land, so that your enemies who live there will be appalled.
Leviticus 26:31-33 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

11.Leviticus 26:34
Then the land will enjoy its sabbath years all the time that it lies desolate and you are in the country of your enemies; then the land will rest and enjoy its sabbaths.
Leviticus 26:33-35 (in Context) Leviticus 26 (Whole Chapter)

12. Leviticus 26:36
As for those of you who are left, I will make their hearts so fearful in the lands of their enemies that the sound of a windblown leaf will put them to flight. They will run as though fleeing from the sword, and they will fall, even though no one is pursuing them.

[Vendetta]

Hey fucko, you missed some shit...

2.191. "And slay them wherever ye catch them, and turn them out from where they have Turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter; but fight them not at the Sacred Mosque, unless they (first) fight you there; but if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those who suppress faith."
Yeah, and did you read the passage just BEFORE that, that explains who "they" are?

"002.190
Fight in the way of Allah against those who fight against you, but begin not hostilities. Lo! Allah loveth not aggressors."

Ohh, whooops.


4.101. "For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."
That's not the full verse.

"When ye travel through the earth, there is no blame on you if ye shorten your prayers, for fear the Unbelievers May attack you: For the Unbelievers are unto you open enemies."

All that says is that it's no big deal if you can't pray as long or as hard as you'd like, especially when surrounded by people who might lynch you for being a Muslim (especially after 9/11.)

5.51. "O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust."
All that says is that Jews & Christians ain't Muslims and don't follow Allah. Wow, news at 11:00!

8.14. Thus (will it be said): "Taste ye then of the (punishment): for those who resist Allah, is the penalty of the Fire."
OK, first off, chapter/book 8 is one of the more bellicose ones because is specifically deals with the spoils of war/battle. So here we're talking about people who are actively fighting against Islam (hence 'unbelievers'.)

Because of such scripture, it is pointless to play picking and choosing your quotes. The passage you showed has just as much meaning to me as the ones I gave.

I don't take any of these passages seriously, just like I don't take the one you gave seriously.
I know you don't take those passages seriously, because you obviously didn't read them very carefully or bother to understand their context.


The problem with people in Arabic nations is, they do take them seriously, as a matter of fact, it is law.
Yeah, in ALL Arabic countries? Try again. Also, did you ever think that maybe people in Arabic countries don't have as much of a problem with the Quran because they've READ it and understand it? Unlike you.

Here are Arabic countries that are NOT theocracies:
Algeria (democratic republic,) Bahrain (constitutional monarchy,) Djibouti (semi-presidential republic,) Egypt (republic - but just barely, at worst you could call it despotism,) Jordan (constitutional monarchy,) Kuwait (constitutional monarchy - in 2005 they just added women's suffrage, more than doubling the electoral population,) Lebanon (parliamentory democratic republic - hilariously with ALL major religions represented at the top, not just Islamic ones,) Libya (revolutionary, but mostly a ditatorship based nominally on socialist ideals,) Morocco (called a constitutional monarchy, really just a de jure monarchy,) Oman ( a sultanate - but one that currently has THREE elected women ministers in government,) Somalia (no real government to speak of since 1991,) Tunisia (presidential republic,) Yemen (republic.)

Also, I skipped some of the smaller countries, and the United Arab Emirates, which actually essentially seven separate monarchies, and has had some problems with freedoms. That being said, the UAE uses a legislation that is part Islamic law and part secular law, so it's a mix.

Women who go outside unaccompanied by a man are killed, thieves do have there hands chopped off, homosexuals are killed, and then we have some conflicting passages in the Qu'ran.
Holy shit. They kill homosexuals here in the US too jackass. And there are conflicting passages in just about EVERY religious text.

Now if I'm going to be called close minded for saying that doing these things is a little unreasonable, then so be it. But where does the law come from in these places, the law comes from the Qu'ran.
Do you know where the law in the US and UK comes from? No one's calling you close-minded for saying that doing those things is unreasonable. People are calling you fucking idiotic for not knowing what the HELL you are talking about.

[jordanhitler]

Holy shit. They kill homosexuals here in the US too jackass. And there are conflicting passages in just about EVERY religious text.


So my friend, the one that I'm staying with that is gay, I can drag him over to the police department and if I can show them enough evidence they judge will sentence him to death? Right? Oh well maybe the judge will sentence him to death in another state, right?

If everyone is going to play picking and choosing out of context then someone should just pm a mod to request closing this thread.

[BoxedCat]

So my friend, the one that I'm staying with that is gay, I can drag him over to the police department and if I can show them enough evidence they judge will sentence him to death? Right? Oh well maybe the judge will sentence him to death in another state, right?

If everyone is going to play picking and choosing out of context then someone should just pm a mod to request closing this thread.

Include yourself in that. You've immediately made the wrong assumption that Sharia law is upheld in every single Muslim country. You're thinking of the strictest governments, such as Saudi Arabia, or Iran. Others aren't so harsh; try to ignore many of the backwards African countries, they're all kinds of FUBAR anyways.

[ThrasherCub]

So my friend, the one that I'm staying with that is gay, I can drag him over to the police department and if I can show them enough evidence they judge will sentence him to death? Right? Oh well maybe the judge will sentence him to death in another state, right?
No, however religious peoples sometimes take it upon themselves to enact religious law requiring them to kill homosexuals, and this is a religious thread. Additionally there are plenty of people who just kill gay people because they don't like them for whatever damn reason.

If everyone is going to play picking and choosing out of context then someone should just pm a mod to request closing this thread.
You mean like you did with the Quran? Oooh, ZING!

[Petrone]

I think Jordan just wanted to know how Islam came about, and how it relates to the other dominant religions in the world. We got a bit sidelined with the bit about homosexuality (which, I believe, there is all ready another thread for).

Basically, it breaks down like this; Judaism, Christianity, and Islam are all known as Abrahamic religions, because they are all evolutions of the teachings of Abraham. In Judaism, Abraham is the father of their religion, they count their calendar from the Creation (now it is counted from the banishment of Adam from Eden), and believe there has been no other saviour since.

Christianity, through the Bible, mirrors most of Judaism in the Old Testament, especially the Pentateuch - the first five books of the Bible, those being, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy. Unlike Judaism, however, Christianity believes that Jesus was sent by God to cleanse humanity of its sins, and is one part of the Trinity of Father, Son, Holy Ghost. In this version of events, Abraham becomes a historic father-figure to the tribes of Israel, and Jesus is the guy who'll save us all if we let him into our hearts.

Islam goes one step further. They believe that Jesus, along with Abraham, Noah, and Moses, was one of the Holy Prophets, but that he is not as holy as Mohammed, upon whom they base their Qu'ran. The Qu'ran was originally the written records of a group of holy visions Mohammed began having at about 40 years of age. I think the logic was that Mohammed was the latest incarnation of God, so he must be more right than the others.

You'd think with all these shared beliefs and histories, they'd all be one big happy family, right?

Just one thing Jordan, that last name you've chosen, unless it's real, does nothing for me. Just thought you should know.

[Vendetta]

I think Jordan just wanted to know how Islam came about, and how it relates to the other dominant religions in the world. We got a bit sidelined with the bit about homosexuality (which, I believe, there is all ready another thread for).
We're not getting sidetracked on homosexuality. Did you even READ the OP?

I personally feel that the followers of Muslim, however, have stepped out of line. When it comes down to threatening others because they don't believe in what you believe in, and in some cases, even killing them, we have a serious problem somewhere.
And...
I'm not going to jump the gun and say that that problem is in the Muslim religion itself, but perhaps the problem is with its followers. Let us consider that things like homosexuality, certain artistic expression, and female equality are not only frowned upon in Predominant Muslim societies, but punished, often with death.

He admits in the beginning to NOT knowing anything about the religion, and then proceeding to bash its followers, based on some religious extremists (which has been pointed out repeatedly in this thread, exist in EVERY major religion.)

If everyone is going to play picking and choosing out of context then someone should just pm a mod to request closing this thread.
Please explain how I picked and chose ANYTHING or took anything out of context? In fact I ADDED context to bullshit YOU were trying to pull. You said they kill gays in Arab countries, and I said they kill gays here. Your argument that in SOME countries it (Islamic) law, whereas here it is just individuals, doesn't really matter, you're still left with a dead homosexual. Is it more prevalent in Islamic countries? I don't know, do YOU? Do you have statistics or REAL evidence to back up ANY of your wild statements?

[RQ]

http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/holy_ghost.png

[jordanhitler]

Do you have statistics or REAL evidence to back up ANY of your wild statements?

I'm glad you brought that up.

{ Adopted on: March 1992 }
{ Adopted by Royal decree of King Fahd } { ICL Document Status: Oct 1993 }

"Chapter 1 General Principles:

Article 1:
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a sovereign Arab Islamic state with Islam as its religion; God's Book and the Sunnah of His Prophet, God's prayers and peace be upon him, are its constitution, Arabic is its language and Riyadh is its capital."

The opening to the Saudi Arabian Constitution. Hopefully I don't have to go and find those quotes again.

[ThrasherCub]

{ Adopted on: March 1992 }
{ Adopted by Royal decree of King Fahd } { ICL Document Status: Oct 1993 }

"Chapter 1 General Principles:

Article 1:
The Kingdom of Saudi Arabia is a sovereign Arab Islamic state with Islam as its religion; God's Book and the Sunnah of His Prophet, God's prayers and peace be upon him, are its constitution, Arabic is its language and Riyadh is its capital."

The opening to the Saudi Arabian Constitution. Hopefully I don't have to go and find those quotes again.
Which "wild statement" is that supposed to support? Your original statement was that the Quran and related are law in Arabic countries (plural). You cite possible proof that Saudi Arabia has it as law (I'd need to do a bit of research to find out how literal that statement of theirs is, and I don't want to do that at 2 AM), but that doesn't do anything to Vendetta's list of 13 others who don't go so far.

[jordanhitler]

Which "wild statement" is that supposed to support? Your original statement was that the Quran and related are law in Arabic countries (plural). You cite possible proof that Saudi Arabia has it as law (I'd need to do a bit of research to find out how literal that statement of theirs is, and I don't want to do that at 2 AM), but that doesn't do anything to Vendetta's list of 13 others who don't go so far.

That's fine, really, if this statement isn't taken literally, then quite simply Sudan, and any other Arabic Nation claiming to be an Islam nation is being a tad hypocritical.

[ThrasherCub]

That's fine, really, if this statement isn't taken literally, then quite simply Sudan, and any other Arabic Nation claiming to be an Islam nation is being a tad hypocritical.

Why are they hypocritical? Also, about Sudan, most of the people in southern Sudan either practice some sort of traditional African faith or Christianity.

[chriz]

You'd think with all these shared beliefs and histories, they'd all be one big happy family, right?

You'd think. Maybe if one of the three didn't claim the other two were corrupt and full of lies. ;)

[jordanhitler]

You'd think. Maybe if one of the three didn't claim the other two were corrupt and full of lies. ;)

When one of them says the other two is corrupt and full of lies, its not that it isn't neccessarily true, its just that the same applies for their own religion, so its more of a while lie.

[chriz]

When one of them says the other two is corrupt and full of lies, its not that it isn't neccessarily true, its just that the same applies for their own religion, so its more of a while lie.

I'm trying to parse this and failing...

[ThrasherCub]

I'm trying to parse this and failing...

I think the thought behind his sentence boils down more or less to "they're all wrong and none of them seem to get that." At least as far as accusing the others of being full of lies is concerned.

[dirtyrat]

Jordan, how old are you? Because you are quite possibly the most naive person I've ever spoken to, who hasn't been 16 or younger.*Gasp! What about me?! Have you forgotten about me?! I'm 41 years old, and I think naive has something to do with stupidity (I could look it up, but I don't need the headache today). Or am I in an entirely different class?

[chriz]

I think the thought behind his sentence boils down more or less to "they're all wrong and none of them seem to get that." At least as far as accusing the others of being full of lies is concerned.

I was saying Islam explicitly says Judaism and Christianity are corrupt and full of lies (Judaism moreso, Christianity mainly because it inherited Judaism's lies). Christianity and Judaism say no such thing about Islam, pretty much because Islam came along well after either.

Petrone had mentioned that with all their shared beliefs, the Abrahamic religions should get along. I was just pointing out that one of them (Islam) was designed deliberately to not get along with the other two.