Moral Code

[War Wolf]

I don't know if this should be in this sub-forum so if you have an idea of a better place for it, please tell me.

My question is whether anyone besides me lives consiously by some moral code.

To get things started, mine is: Never violate a woman nor harm a child. If you are disipling a child, never do it out of anger or while angry and never deny them the basics of life like food, shelter, or safety. Never kill or severely injure someone without a really good reason like you are protecting someone else or providing for their safety in the future. If you are playing games or a sport, that's different as long as you are not trying to hurt or kill them to win. No game or sport is worth that to win. Never lie, cheat, or steal for selfish or ambititous reasons that could be harmful or could bring harm to the person or persons.

This next part is mainly for warriors.

Protect the weak from the evil strong. Never allow thoughts of gain to lead you into the pursuit of evil. When dealing with an evil person, fight to win. Chivalry for the enemy has no place in war. Don't harm, loot or take Freedom of any kind from the innocent. A non-combatant or someone who I don't have positive proof for commiting a crime or has not had a true trial as to whether they have commited a crime or does not have three reliable witnesses to testify to witnessing the crime is what I consider an innocent.

Remember, I didn't put this here to start fights. If anything in this thread offends you, you have the freedom to leave at anytime.

[DarkWolf]

Never violate a woman nor harm a child. If you are disipling a child, never do it out of anger or while angry and never deny them the basics of life like food, shelter, or safety. Never kill or severely injure someone without a really good reason like you are protecting someone else or providing for their safety in the future. If you are playing games or a sport, that's different as long as you are not trying to hurt or kill them to win. No game or sport is worth that to win. Never lie, cheat, or steal for selfish or ambititous reasons that could be harmful or could bring harm to the person or persons.

You do realise most of that is not only common sense but also the law?

[War Wolf]

I do know that, I was just wondering if anybody had any specific moral codes they lived by.

[Luthious]

I lie, I cheat, I steal.

But I'm also not stupid about it.

It's only in sports.

[Darth Cluich]

Never take another man's beer. :beerchug:

[chriz]

Never tug on Klark's cape.

Seriously, sure. I don't advocate behavior I don't want to see other people do. Basically, golden rule stuff. I don't murder, and support the punishment of those that do, because I don't want to convey the message to society that I think it's okay to murder. After all, I don't want to be murdered myself (nor do I want any of my loved ones murdered).

This system is nice and simple, yet it works for all situations.

[Klark]

Never tug on Klark's cape.

Right! You do NOT wanna see me without that cape. :p

As for the moral code thing, think Superman. :)

[Wraywolf]

In general, my ‘code’ can be summed up as:

'You can think however you want, and you can do whatever you want, as long as the actions partaken do not cause another living thing intentional grief, pain, or death. Live life hedonistically, but not solely for pleasure or the self.'

There is a lot more that I have, which covers potential loop holes and topics like personal honor and the subjects of good and evil, but it takes too long to write and I have a Live Journal to put it in anyway. Up there is pretty much my all encompassing rule for life.

[Alaric]

is this close enough to a moral code?


I. there are only three reasons to kill.

1. to defend ones self, or others
2. for food, shelter, or any other survival reason; be it plant or animal
3. if what you kill is evil.

II. never desacrate, or create, without good reason.

III. never harm those who has not harmed others.

IV. never lie without just cause.

V. never cause pain to others by causing pain to their loved ones.

VI. never immedeatly declare someone unworthy, or anything else of that matter,until they have proven that they are.

VII. assist anyone who needs it, if you are able to


I guess those are morals, are they any good?

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I've noticed some mention of fighting/killing "evil" people. Can I just ask who are you to judge if someone is evil.

[chriz]

I've noticed some mention of fighting/killing "evil" people. Can I just ask who are you to judge if someone is evil.

Simple, evil to you.

[DarkWolf]

Moral code:

Think of the Animal Kingdom.

I see nothing in our social structures that deviates, in any way, from the animal kingdom. So, my morals are based on the simple truth: I am an animal.

:shrug:

[Darth Cluich]

In the words of Mr. Merrick: "I am not an animal. I am a human being."

[Xzengrim]

My moral code is to do the opposite of whatever Wraywolf would do. This means that my main goals in life consist of having sex with women, listening to American music, and punching people in the face on a daily basis. It's going pretty good so far.

Actually, my moral code says that the greatest thing in life is to be strong. Through strength we are given the most freedom to placate the needs of the flesh, plus probably enough leftover leeway to do whatever else we want. Also, nobody will mess with you. This is the best way to seek pleasure and avoid pain.

It comes with the following rules:

1. To be strong is the greatest thing in life. This means not succumbing to physical weakness, mental weakness, social weaknesses, or pain of any kind.

2. A person owes it to themself to perform EVERY action with the most efficiency possible. Without constant and near-perfect efficiency, you are throwing parts of yourself away. This is bad.

3. Nobody is owed anything. Thus, it is not right to complain about sadness, loneliness, the media, or other things that goths complain about. Existance is disappointing and boring, you don't have a right to happiness so don't freak out if nothing goes well. It's not sad, that's just the way it is. Take what you have, don't expect any more.

4. Not only are humans predatory creatures, but they are not accountable to any sort of deity. Thus, it is totally okay to give everyone the shaft all the time. It's called looking out for number one. Plus, it's usually hilarious!

5. Be strong, and you can kick the ass of all the weaklings you like. If you lose track, consult the Germanic War Code, or possibly the guys I am about to mention.

PS: I get most of these things from Nietzsche and Machiavelli. Plus, Conan the Barbarian! Remember that part where that guy was like , "Conan! What is best in life?", and Conan says "To crush your enemy, see him driven before you, and hear the lamentation of the women." He hit the nail pretty well on the head there!

Wray argues with me about it all the time. I told him to read the books, or I would hear the lamentation of his women. ...Probably his mom.

[Wraywolf]

Say all you want, but >I< have the rolled up newspaper. In the event of a stale mate, I win.

[Xzengrim]

Oh yes? Well I will go out at get an even BIGGER newspaper! I'll go to the retirement home and steal one of those "large-print" papers. Thus I will not only win the printable arms race, but I will also become king of ALL the werewolves!! We will have an awesomely kickass newspaper duel, like something out of ninja scroll. It will be great.

[LV426]

**pulls out the carboard tube lightsaber**

SILENCE MORTALS!

[Teej]

Never take another man's beer. :beerchug:

This and "Be respectful to the ladies" is pretty much all I live by.

[wendigo]

Do what i when i want

[wolfbane_wv]

I have the same coad u do my frend

Wolfbane

[LV426]

what the hell is a coad?

[Darth Cluich]

It's a creation of mine I cooked up in the lab. Cat DNA spliced with that of a toad.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Simple, evil to you.

Couldn't that justify you killing anyone you pleased. Humanity has proven itself more complex than that. The person you kill as evil has there own perception of the situation and is probably doing the right thing in there eyes. Just because you see things differently doesn't give you any right to end their life. If that were the case I'd kill ever Christian I met along with all the riot police at every peacefull protest I've attended and if I took it far enough every Englishman I met just 'cos I haven't seen eye to eye with them on occasion.

[GhostBat]

Well that's the problem with people dictating morality to others. It's nothing more than a matter of opinion that varies from person to person.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Well that's the problem with people dictating morality to others. It's nothing more than a matter of opinion that varies from person to person.

Which is why I siad nobody has authority to end anothers life "evil" or not.

[midnightbear]

the whole thing about a moral code, War Wolf really should it not be a question about how one should live, but how one wants to live. Morals are things ones experiences dictate, my belief and experience. take the golden rule (use to live by it); do on to other, as you want then to do on to you. simple right....wrong, if a human is kind to another and shows them love, affection and gives them support in all they do, should that person not do the same for the individual giving those things. Now that is something that happens very seldom. most humans have their own underlying agendas, take what I want and then leave. morals are things of an older generations…..most of the humans in newer generations do not have them nor will they ever gain them, until something horrific happens in their life. so morals are simple for today’s youth do on to others before they do onto you. I classify my morals as destroy those that hurt you, eliminate all that oppose you, blood is your only ally, and death is your only friend, for friends will eventually betray you and your kind.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I classify my morals as destroy those that hurt you, eliminate all that oppose you, blood is your only ally, and death is your only friend, for friends will eventually betray you and your kind.

Man your disillusioned!

[midnightbear]

Man your disillusioned!

not disillusioned, just been srewed over to many times and I am tired of being taken advantage of. you see I use to be kind and cared about people but the last time, was the last time that anyone will ever do that to me again. so I feel that the only people that can be trusted are those that are your family. in other words most of humanity is not worth a spit. and if we are talking about disillusioned you are the one that has "Communist Spy" written under your name and you are Irish.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

not disillusioned, just been srewed over to many times and I am tired of being taken advantage of. you see I use to be kind and cared about people but the last time, was the last time that anyone will ever do that to me again. so I feel that the only people that can be trusted are those that are you family. in other words most of humanity is not worth spit. and if we are talking about disillusioned your the one that has "Communist Spy" writen under your name and you are Irish.

Communist Spy is a joke because I'm seen as very liberal by myself and others and what does being Irish have to do with anything. Your right to think that most of humanity is a load of bollocks but "eliminate all that oppose you" is far from a sound code of ethics.

[midnightbear]

Communist Spy is a joke because I'm seen as very liberal by myself and others and what does being Irish have to do with anything. Your right to think that most of humanity is a load of bollocks but "eliminate all that oppose you" is far from a sound code of ethics.

eliminate: To leave out or omit from consideration; reject

maybe I should post definations with my posts

it does not always mean to kill, it can also mean to remove from every aspect of ones life, memory and so forth

being irish has nothing to do with it, just wanted and explination of why you put that there since Communism is a ecomomical system were the needs of the many out way the needs of the one, look a former USSR

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

eliminate: To leave out or omit from consideration; reject

maybe I should post definations with my posts

it does not always mean to kill

Well put in the context whch you said it it does destroy those that hurt you
thats kinda warped but okay, eliminate all that oppose you,
If you read the next too lines it certainly looks like your death obsessed,
blood is your only ally, and death is your only friend

When read as a whole you come off as some sort of homicidal(sp) manic! Like what the fuck is the blood being your ally, if you mean family ok but death being your friend, come on get a life.

[midnightbear]

but death being your friend, come on get a life.

meaning it is the only sure things in life everything else is a gamble, love, friendship, where you go. no matter what you do it is the only true thing in life, hence your only true friend.

and yes blood is family

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

meaning it is the only sure things in life everything else is a gamble, love, friendship, where you go. no matter what you do it is the only true thing in life, hence your only true friend.

and yes blood is family

I think therefore I am was the only true truth last I checked but oh well so much for a couple millenia of philosophy this guys got the new only true constant...well so much for that then :confused:
And just because it's the only constant (as you see it) has nothing to do with it being your friend. As you seem to make out pain seems to be the only constant in your life wouldn't it logically follow (by your arguement) that that too is your friend?

[midnightbear]

I think therefore I am was the only true truth last I checked but oh well so much for a couple millenia of philosophy this guys got the new only true constant...well so much for that then :confused:
And just because it's the only constant (as you see it) has nothing to do with it being your friend. As you seem to make out pain seems to be the only constant in your life wouldn't it logically follow (by your arguement) that that too is your friend?


yes but pain ends in death. so it is no more hence death is your only true friend. and just because pain is in my life at this time, does not mean that it will always be there. intime i will forget that too. and those that caused it.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

yes but pain ends in death.

Not always, in fact rarely so, pain can end in many ways phisical pain and non. And whose death are you talking about yours or theirs?
Also just thought I'd put it out there (even though this isn't philosophy) but couldn't pain and death be illusions as Decartes pointed out?

[midnightbear]

Not always, in fact rarely so, pain can end in many ways phisical pain and non. And whose death are you talking about yours or theirs?
Also just thought I'd put it out there (even though this isn't philosophy) but couldn't pain and death be illusions as Decartes pointed out?

and it is death in general. death can also relate to an aspect of self.

so then Descartes

then if I have never met you you, nor do I know you, then you must not exsit and these posts are an argument with the id.

and since this is the religion thread we should stop the Philosophy aspect, so lets just stop the argument and agree to disagree.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

so then Descartes

then if I have never met you you, nor do I know you, then you must not exsit and these post are an argument with the id.

so lets just stop the argument and agree to disagree.

Okay I'm not Decartes, far from it in fact, Decartes was the philosopher who put forward the universal truth of "I think therefore I am"...duh
These posts could be an argument with the ID you never know, thats the point you might not even be sitting at you computer... think Matrix man.

[midnightbear]

Okay I'm not Decartes, far from it in fact, Decartes was the philosopher who put forward the universal truth of "I think therefore I am"...duh
These posts could be an argument with the ID you never know, thats the point you might not even be sitting at you computer... think Matrix man.

and that is who you keep using to prove a point,Decartes. and yes I know who he was, wrote a nice long paper on him at university. so simple I have my current views on morals based on my experiances and you have yours. they might change in time or they stay the same. and as for matrix man now that is funny. and circular arguments are a waste of time.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

and that is who you keep using to prove a point,Decartes. and yes I know who he was, wrote a nice long paper on him at university. so simple I have my current views on morals based on my experiances and you have yours. they might change in time or they stay the same. and as for matrix man now that is funny. and circular arguments are a waste of time.

My arguement is not circular I was just showing that death is not a constant. Just 'cos everyone before us has died (or feeling,or change of self or whatnot) is no perfect proof that we will(it will). It's very likely and pretty safe to assume but not for sure.

[PaganKatt]

Oy. Mine is long. Part of it is: "an ye harm none, do what ye will" wich means to me to try to accomplish as much as possible while benifiting the whole as much as you can, and bettering your self especially..while doing as little harm as possible.. oh, also to have as much fun as you can, cause we cant be sure what comes after we 'die'.

[Darth Cluich]

Okay I'm not Decartes, far from it in fact, Decartes was the philosopher who put forward the universal truth of "I think therefore I am"...duh

Yes, "cogito ergo sum." However, I prefer "coito ergo sum." ;)

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Yes, "cogito ergo sum." However, I prefer "coito ergo sum." ;)

hur hur...good pun

[midnightbear]

My arguement is not circular I was just showing that death is not a constant. Just 'cos everyone before us has died (or feeling,or change of self or whatnot) is no perfect proof that we will(it will). It's very likely and pretty safe to assume but not for sure.


death is a constant, you cells die off everyday, when you smoke and drink you kill more of them. no matter what you do you will die no one lives forever and unless you show up on my death bed as you are now and prove me wrong you are not going to change my mind. no matter how hard you try you will die eventually. death is a constant in life, it is the end.

[midnightbear]

Yes, "cogito ergo sum." However, I prefer "coito ergo sum." ;)


now that is funny, good one.

[chriz]

death is a constant, you cells die off everyday

Sure, but you also replenish them. ;)

[midnightbear]

Sure, but you also replenish them. ;)

that you do except brain cells and not all you cells get replenished, hence aging, after puberty.

that sucks if you ask me.

[Darth Cluich]

Actually, they've learned that brain cells can be replenished as well.

[midnightbear]

Actually, they've learned that brain cells can be replenished as well.

really they do cool, do tell. even show that would be cool to read up on.

[Darth Cluich]

Ask and ye shall receive. CLICK HERE. (http://mentalhealth.about.c om/library/weekly/aa121399.htm)

Now we should try to steer back on topic. ;)

[midnightbear]

Ask and ye shall receive. CLICK HERE. (http://mentalhealth.about.c om/library/weekly/aa121399.htm)

thanks you much.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Yeah, its a slight shame this has spiralled so off topic, because at its core its a serious question, which I myself find myself wrestling with most of my life.

(With our serious heads on) ... a lot of us go around trying to play "fair" by other people - and our code for us is how we try to treat other people, and how we would like to be treated in return.

Problem is we've all come across people who are unfair in the way they treat others, and they are the ones who often seem to get ahead. Thats when all the problems kick in - we have this code we try and stick to, and yet by sticking with it, it can feel like we have given ourselves a serious handicap.

Moral codes and laws are two different things though. Its against the law to beat your partner, and yet in thousands of homes across the world, thats just what happens behind the privacy of your own door. Just dont hit them in the face, and you can cover it up in the morning.

But laws are enforced by police and judges and the state. You can trick them, your peers may have reasonable doubt etc.

Your moral code is enforced by you and you alone. Its a covenant with yourself or maybe your God, and its something you cannot disguise or cover from your own consience (unless you are a seriously warped personality).

Anyway, thats my 2 cents ... ;)

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Ya sorry about that whole spiraling thing, my fault I guess, sorry.

[Hybrid]

I see nothing in our social structures that deviates, in any way, from the animal kingdom.

Hmmmm, perhaps it depends on what animal you speak of.

For example, when lions make a kill and eat, the youngest ones eat last if there is anything left at all. Also, male lions will kill the young of other male lions in order to ensure their own survival.

I'm sure there are humans out there that would swallow up all of the food before feeding their own children. They're called assholes, but for the most part, human parents ensure that their kids are eating their fill at the proverbial table as well.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

going back to the whole evil thing, aren't demons evil? I kill them, so, yeah. (or at least try to)

Lol...ya right good one...how many demons have you killed may I ask?

[Klark]

Lol...ya right good one...how many demons have you killed may I ask?
I killed my smoking demon, and let me tell ya something, he was a hard sumbitch to kill... :)

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

I killed my smoking demon, and let me tell ya something, he was a hard sumbitch to kill... :)

I'm not sure thats what he meant but well done.

[Claudandus]

I've been thinking about how would I explain my moral code... it would go something like this:

1 - Pain ( any kind of pain ) sucks.
2 - I believe that other humans agree with number 1, so I avoid hurting others.

I'm awere that there are a lot of loopholes in this, but this is my moral code, in a nutshell. That being said:



going back to the whole evil thing, aren't demons evil? I kill them, so, yeah. (or at least try to)

Demons don't die, because they were never born to begin with. They can be sent back to Hell, but I doubt that someone other than an angel can do such a thing. And I REALLY doubt you're an angel. Play nice.

[Were-E-Wolf]

HAHAHA! Killing Demons... You can try... besides, Demons are neither evil nor good. They are right in the middle. Some are more good than others... Some are evil... And you can't kill those that are already dead... right? Maybe a few Demons tore off his/her wing while they were fighting him/her.

By the way Claudandus... What about pleasure pain... It happens all the time in the bed room... if yah know what I am talking about...

[Claudandus]

By the way Claudandus... What about pleasure pain... It happens all the time in hte bed room... if yah know what I am talking about...

When pleasure comes from pain
There's no reason to complain. ;)

Actually, that is one of the loopholes I mentioned before.I guess everything is allright, as long as nobody is complaining about it. If someone complains but things do not stop.... then, it's a problem.