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Nightmare GenoReaper

12-13-2003, 11:17 PM

Why are we evil? Because we know the consquence of our actions. Since we can justify and conprehend what will happen once we do something, it makes us bad or good. This is why animals can not be pinned to this label. They dont knwo the conseuqnces of their actions, they are just trying to survive.

So you see it is a concept but it has it's ways to be proven

LycanSpectre

12-14-2003, 12:31 AM

The societal standard of good and bad are not set in stone either. Most of the time it depends on the situation. Also, more often than not, one must do "evil" to further the "common good".

There was an example in another thread: Would you kill one person to save a thousand? By common standard, killing is wrong, but it is generally accepted that killing that one is better than letting the thousands die.

Good and evil cannot be defined unless you take the situation into account.

spawnofFenrir

12-14-2003, 04:24 AM

1. Humans are animals ASWELL
2.Ive mentioned it in an earliar post but its impossible to have good and evil

Nightmare GenoReaper

12-14-2003, 02:28 PM

1. Humans are animals ASWELL
2.Ive mentioned it in an earliar post but its impossible to have good and evil

i'm sorry i should have put "lesser cousins", but it is not impossible. Explain how it is impossible to have ying and yang togethor? The brighter the light the deeper the shadow...

blueeyes

12-14-2003, 02:35 PM

Some things are good. Some things are evil. Those exist as you define them, not by your society or culture, but by what you feel is correct. The societie's definition is no more accurate then the culture wants it to be.

Ender

12-14-2003, 02:38 PM

Some things are good. Some things are evil. Those exist as you define them, not by your society or culture, but by what you feel is correct. http://www.werewolf.com/vb/images/icons/icon14.gif

DarkWolf

12-14-2003, 05:16 PM

Firstly: animals do know what they are doing, they do know killing an animal is taking its life.. they quite simply don't care.

If killing is so evil, everything on this planet is thusly evil. Even plants feed off the dead.. as bodily components decay the nutrients, especially nitrogen, is absorbed into the ground and plants surrounding feed on this nutrients. Plants, in biological terminology, are alive. Herbivores and omnvivores kill plants to live. Predators kill other animals to live. And humans do the same.

Sin is false. That was something used by the churches and other religions to control others. The churches didn't like something so: "that is a sin, it will send you to hell unless you repent!" et cetera.

Evil is mostly just harming another for no reason. Stealing is not that evil in my opinion, unless it is something valuable in sentiment or something they need (not want - need). Killing for anything other than food is evil.

Most of morality and sin was made as a form of control. Suffering is horrible, and evil belongs to those who cause suffering and are devoid enough of emotion to care. But inflicting pain isn't evil: try sadomasochism: it's all willing not suffering.

And even killing isn't always evil, if it is what that thing clearly wants. Which is the greater evil: Ending the pain so a creature dies with mostly memories of family.. or letting it live in constant agony, get depressed, and dying slowly with the memories of just great pain being that last thought?

Just my take on things.

LycanSpectre

12-14-2003, 07:24 PM

It's all part of the circle of life. :)

DarkWolf

12-18-2003, 04:02 PM

It's all part of the circle of life. :)
Exactly.

(why didn't I just say that instead of ranting on? The point behind both is the same... :rolleyes: )

obsidian silk

12-18-2003, 05:03 PM

Exactly.

(why didn't I just say that instead of ranting on? The point behind both is the same... :rolleyes: )

When I was a little girl, I wanted desperately to be Catholic: I thought Jesus was 'cute' (sexy) with his long brown hair and big brown eyes, and in the images I saw of him, he was always surrounded by woodland creatures like a Medicine Man. Mary was my Goddess of the Night. The angels were a whole host of fire-shapeshifters (complete with constellations and totems as I found out as an adult), gorgeous men (and women, if you trace angels back to Greek mythology), passionate musicians and defenders of little Children of Nature like me. In other words, nothing about standard morality entered my consciousness as a child. I was too busy loving the Wild, and being Natural, even before I could put it in those words. Only a couple of centuries ago, I would have been burned at the stake for that in-no-sense (free spirit). While the debate of good'n'evil does continue, we've come a long way.

As an adult, I try to be sensitive to others' feeling, help out, and use practical/really basic common sense. I'm glad to see others here of similiar (Natural) mind.

LV426

12-19-2003, 01:46 AM

When I was a little girl, I wanted desperately to be Catholic: I thought Jesus was 'cute' (sexy) with his long brown hair and big brown eyes, and in the images I saw of him, he was always surrounded by woodland creatures like a Medicine Man. Mary was my Goddess of the Night. The angels were a whole host of fire-shapeshifters (complete with constellations and totems as I found out as an adult), gorgeous men (and women, if you trace angels back to Greek mythology), passionate musicians and defenders of little Children of Nature like me. In other words, nothing about standard morality entered my consciousness as a child. I was too busy loving the Wild, and being Natural, even before I could put it in those words. Only a couple of centuries ago, I would have been burned at the stake for that in-no-sense (free spirit). While the debate of good'n'evil does continue, we've come a long way.

As an adult, I try to be sensitive to others' feeling, help out, and use practical/really basic common sense. I'm glad to see others here of similiar (Natural) mind.
Out of curiosity, what religion were you raised on? I was raised Southern Baptist with all the fire and brimstone. :cool: I never thought Jesus was cute, in fact I really didn't think about him much as a person until I asked in Sunday School if he might have been crazy and schizophrenic (cause god talked to him) and they threw me out because I made the other kids cry. Ahh the good old days.

obsidian silk

12-19-2003, 09:02 AM

Out of curiosity, what religion were you raised on? I was raised Southern Baptist with all the fire and brimstone. :cool: I never thought Jesus was cute, in fact I really didn't think about him much as a person until I asked in Sunday School if he might have been crazy and schizophrenic (cause god talked to him) and they threw me out because I made the other kids cry. Ahh the good old days.

I like that. I didn't get thrown out until I insisted that Gabriel and Mary really had to have had sex, regardless of any 'announcement'. Anyway, I should probably not go too far into this on here. That kind of material might do better in e-mail, etc. Like I said before, I do try to be considerate of others.

As far as what religion I was raised on: Officially, pick a Protestant denomination, any denomination (so, of course, I wanted to be Catholic - candlelight, great architecture, sexy deities. etc., etc.). However, what is official isn't always the truth. The truth is that I was raised on Tolkien. I began reading Tolkien at age 7 (although, I didn't make it all the way through the Silmarillion until I was 14). The Lord of the Rings (and related material) is a sort of religion, complete with good'n'evil even lol!, and can be thoroughly felt in the Woods of Humbolt County in Northern California. (Yes, I'm seeing ROTK tomorrow / Sat., of course, but don't hold it against me ;) )

LV426

12-19-2003, 01:44 PM

I like that. I didn't get thrown out until I insisted that Gabriel and Mary really had to have had sex, regardless of any 'announcement'. Anyway, I should probably not go too far into this on here. That kind of material might do better in e-mail, etc. Like I said before, I do try to be considerate of others.

As far as what religion I was raised on: Officially, pick a Protestant denomination, any denomination (so, of course, I wanted to be Catholic - candlelight, great architecture, sexy deities. etc., etc.). However, what is official isn't always the truth. The truth is that I was raised on Tolkien. I began reading Tolkien at age 7 (although, I didn't make it all the way through the Silmarillion until I was 14). The Lord of the Rings (and related material) is a sort of religion, complete with good'n'evil even lol!, and can be thoroughly felt in the Woods of Humbolt County in Northern California. (Yes, I'm seeing ROTK tomorrow / Sat., of course, but don't hold it against me ;) )
Never thought of Tolkien as being a religion of course I wanted to slit my throat out of boredom when I read the Silmarillion. That book was dreadful. No offense. And don't worry about debating christian doctrine, that is what this forum is for.

obsidian silk

12-19-2003, 01:47 PM

Never thought of Tolkien as being a religion of course I wanted to slit my throat out of boredom when I read the Silmarillion. That book was dreadful. No offense. And don't worry about debating christian doctrine, that is what this forum is for.

A lot of people feel that way about Tolkien. I also went on in adolescence to like a lot of old Tannith Lee stuff, went through the Anne Rice thing, etc. I appreciate knowing what others like, and have a very wide spectrum of interests and taste myself.

Wraywolf

12-19-2003, 01:49 PM

Terry Pratchett is my god.

obsidian silk

12-19-2003, 01:50 PM

Terry Pratchett is my god.

I think her favorite so far is Small Gods. She tell me I'll love it :D

Wraywolf

12-19-2003, 01:56 PM

obsidian silk

12-19-2003, 01:59 PM

Your daughter is named after my favorite brand of sword? Blast, now I feel the repercussions of homosexuality.

MY personal favorite is Carpe Jugulum. Granny Weatherwax is the best old lady in existance.

Oh, I apologize for hijacking the thread.

Katana after the Shinto Buddhist Japanese Samurai longsword while I was still pregnant with her when I was age 16 (I brought her into the world a week after I turned 17), so yes ;)

You can always go both ways. I say 'Love Shamelessly'.

obsidian silk

12-19-2003, 02:03 PM

Your daughter is named after my favorite brand of sword? Blast, now I feel the repercussions of homosexuality.

MY personal favorite is Carpe Jugulum. Granny Weatherwax is the best old lady in existance.

Oh, I apologize for hijacking the thread.

Thankyou, all of you, who have replied to any of my posts lol! I really like this board!

LV426

12-19-2003, 02:50 PM

I thought Terry Pratchet was a guy.

Have you read the Sword of Truth series, by Terry Goodkind?

I really like that series, although the books do require rather dedicated readers because of their length.

Er, maybe we should take this to Books.

LycanSpectre

12-19-2003, 03:58 PM

Anyone ever heard of Terry Brooks? Specifically the Shanarra Series?

LV426

12-19-2003, 04:16 PM

Anyone ever heard of Terry Brooks? Specifically the Shanarra Series?
I've read plenty of Terry Brooks everything from Shannara series to the Magic Kingdom series and lately the Good and Evil series. Some of his books get cheesy but others are very good.

obsidian silk

12-20-2003, 11:07 AM

LV426

12-20-2003, 01:56 PM

Yes, Terry is in fact a lovely 'older' British chap,
and yes, this has become a 'Book' thread lol!
OK let's get back on topic, I copied this thread over to books so the book discussion can continue there but lets keep good and evil here.

lordragoon

12-20-2003, 08:38 PM

blueeyes already took my view on things. I don't think that good and evil are a chemical reaction per say, although they have to result from them. However, since good and evil change from culture to culture, person to person, than those concepts can't be wholely physical. Most likely, the concepts occur as a mixture of our natural reactions to events and however we were raised.

Rlib

12-27-2003, 12:59 PM

Put on your gasmasks if you want, I'm about to air some opinion :)

The idea of 'harm none' as morality is great - as far as I can see that is the basic idea which most moral systems are based on. The only problem is that different people have different ideas about what is harmful. Should society accept paedophiles or serial killers because they do not feel they are doing harm? 'Ignorance of the law is no excuse'. Hence a defence for the kind of moral system you find in the bible, where specific acts are cited as 'good' or 'bad'. It's a lot more complicated than 'harm none' but perhaps more stable as it doesn't depend entirely on individual whim.

Please note I'm not talking about Wiccan morality specifically since I don't know anything about it, I'm only talking about the phrase 'harm none'.

Oh yes: and long live Terry Pratchett!

DamienMidgard

03-10-2004, 11:50 PM

Good = What you like
Evil = What you dont like

are gays evil?
its all in the eye of the beholder, sorta speak.

Becouse of the world trade center attack (evil), we have advanced state security(good).

Becouse of the world trade center attack (good, in the eyes of Terrorist), we have advanced state security (evil, in the eyes of terrorist)

Hum...

COLONV

05-29-2004, 04:57 AM

Lucius

05-29-2004, 08:09 AM

I honestly think that good and evil are believes held up by our cultures, our standards, or conscience, it could be just a chemicle in the brain that tells us by our standards that was wrong
"Good" and "Evil" do not exist as you have been forced to accept. If you interchangeably use Positive for good ,and Negative for bad, you begin to get a clearer picture of the nature of that beast. What is "good" for one may be "bad" for another...the differences involve both perspective and context.
It is entirely subjective and must be approached in that manner. Do not be sucked into the trap that is dualistic thinking. That is the way of the herd, not the hunter.

Lucius

05-29-2004, 08:10 AM

good=our nature
evil=corruption of our nature

just an opinion,not a fact.
Wonderful illustration! And right on! :eek:

alue_wolf_spirit

06-03-2004, 07:02 PM

As far as good and evil, here's my theory. A person is an individual who has the choice of what to do in life (Other than what fate deals you, that cannot be avaioded). Many people feel that I am an evil person. I had a lady tell me that I was possesed by Satan becaue my eyes are two different colors (Nice lady, lay off the crack!!!) Anyways, I believe that it is what you do in a certain situation.
Example of why people think I am an evil bitch: I keep a collection of firearms. I am licensed for concelaed wepons and hunting. I keep a 357 beside my bed ( a large ahngun for those who don't know) A guy broke in my house, shot my brother (who lived), then came after me. I shot the guy, non fatlly, but enough that it put him down until the cops arrived. My mother has disowned me for this fact saying that I am violent and cruel. Am I? Or would it have been politicaly correct to let the bastard kill my family?
See, to me good and evil is how you react in a situation. If I had killed him, then I would have felt real bad. If he had killed my brother, the bastrd would pay dear.
Just a thought though
Alue