What is a soul?

[lycanthrope012_8_03]

Is it just a christian beliefe, or is there such a thing?

[korn]

Is it just a christian beliefe, or is there such a thing?
yes there is a spirit within all living beings and some believe even the rocks and trees have spirts i do personally hey they got auras um check out crystalinks.com and read on it or search it on the net check out shamanism christian belief is based on evil it is not good and soon we will all come to find that out davidicke.com is where the truth lies

[DarkWolf]

korn, I'm glad you found a site you like, but please stop going on about davidicke.com you mentioning it all the time is like a christian trying to convert people.

Yes I believe there is a soul, I think of it as the real us: the body is just how we interact with the world. Our personality, and the root of our emotions come from the soul and simply affect the body through hormones.

In science there is debate about the soul being merely energy, the "astral self" as referred to by parapsychologist is believed to be our energy counterpart, existing on a 4th dimensional plane behind our physical one: the astral plane.

Therianthropy can often be referred to as people having the "soul" of a different animal.

[Ender]

lycanthrope012_8_03[/b]] is there such a thing? I would say No.

There being no proof and all..

[korn]

korn, I'm glad you found a site you like, but please stop going on about davidicke.com you mentioning it all the time is like a christian trying to convert people.

Yes I believe there is a soul, I think of it as the real us: the body is just how we interact with the world. Our personality, and the root of our emotions come from the soul and simply affect the body through hormones.

In science there is debate about the soul being merely energy, the "astral self" as referred to by parapsychologist is believed to be our energy counterpart, existing on a 4th dimensional plane behind our physical one: the astral plane.

Therianthropy can often be referred to as people having the "soul" of a different animal.
sorry but its not like a christian they destroy im only offering something outside the box that we all should know

[DarkWolf]

sorry but its not like a christian they destroy im only offering something outside the box that we all should know
Yes, well all you are going to do is piss people off. That site isn't even original, there have been sites like it for years, and millions of people with similar minds for decades before David Icke was even born.

About a third of every nation has similar minds, he can just afford the time and money to investigate. So what?

You've made your point in a thread in Misc Disc and promoting the site in every post since, give it a rest.

End of conversation.

[blueeyes]

The human bodies loses between a half-pound and an ounce at exact moment of death.

A soul is the ability to understand oneself and empathize with others. The opposite of being mindblind, one might say. The ability to show that something that makes paint into art.

I do not consider myself to have a soul, so I can not argue for or against human ownership. I will say that cultures other than Christian ones do accept the word and concept of the soul. Even some animals do so.

[LV426]

I will say that cultures other than Christian ones do accept the word and concept of the soul. Even some animals do so.
Um what animals believe in the concept of a soul?

[Skull Cowboy]

I believe we have a soul, and we wont know the true value of it till we are dead...


and on another note, i agree with Dark Wolf, David Icke can go blow a pecker...

[blueeyes]

Few of my sources are acceptable. I have heard of an ape, taught sign language, that could use a sign for soul.
If you want my opinion, which you do not, then I will tell you that many animals, including all domesticated canines and felines, as do some wild animals. Bears and related animals are the most likely to be 'religious' in such a way, while in the case of other species it seems to be a choice.

[LV426]

Sorry I am confused about what you say. I mean yes an ape can be taught a sign for soul but does the ape know what that means?

Also I don't see how other animals in the wild or domestic practice religions of any kind. I have never seen my cat pray.

[blueeyes]

Again, this is a situation in which I need a smiley to represent that tone in which the teeth are kept tight together and the word is spat out.

If a word can be said and be said in context, then the concept behind the word is understood. It may not exist with the same emotions and the same wording, but it still is understood as a thought. The sign was used in context with a concept, so it is not only learned, but understood.

Animals in either the wild or dometic worlds due practice religion. I do not mean religion as a complex system with set beliefs, prayer, moral codes, or set systems of god and heaven. Animals have a very basic 'religion" (need that emoticon again). I hear stars called 'minds' and the earth known as the 'life' (difficult translation) although different words can be used. In all cases of those who do believe, the concept is the same. They "know" (again, difficult translation. Believe, trust, instinctively think) that there is something about themselves that is not part of their body but is part of their mind. It may not be a soul in the same method as that of something that lives on past death, however, it is a concept of soul.

[LV426]

Again, this is a situation in which I need a smiley to represent that tone in which the teeth are kept tight together and the word is spat out.

If a word can be said and be said in context, then the concept behind the word is understood. It may not exist with the same emotions and the same wording, but it still is understood as a thought. The sign was used in context with a concept, so it is not only learned, but understood.

Animals in either the wild or dometic worlds due practice religion. I do not mean religion as a complex system with set beliefs, prayer, moral codes, or set systems of god and heaven. Animals have a very basic 'religion" (need that emoticon again). I hear stars called 'minds' and the earth known as the 'life' (difficult translation) although different words can be used. In all cases of those who do believe, the concept is the same. They "know" (again, difficult translation. Believe, trust, instinctively think) that there is something about themselves that is not part of their body but is part of their mind. It may not be a soul in the same method as that of something that lives on past death, however, it is a concept of soul.


So basically this is pure conjecture on your part.

[blueeyes]

Paragraph two is partly from a Science News article, I believe about three months ago. The remainder is from personal experience, but since I have no MLA to present, I'm afraid you can place it as nothing other than conjecture.

[The Fallen]

sorry but its not like a christian they destroy im only offering something outside the box that we all should know
I am very sorry to hear that your oppinion on all Chistians is that they destroy. I am 100% a believer in the finer things that my saviour Christ has to offer. It is not my, or my gods fault that the Catholic religion takes the guise of Christians and then goes on drinking binges or beats their wife and kids or fornicates or starts a holy war/ jihad (the crusades) or whatever. Please, all of you, do refrain from basing your oppinions on any or all Christians from one spoiled apple. No, i realize that catholics are not the only trouble makers and i appologize for giving the impression that they are. Its is simply that most of the bad impresions on Christ are associated with them. Why do they pray to Mary? In the bible it says you should only pray to the father, son, and Holy Spirit. Why do they do religious rituals? In the bible it says you're only ritual is the taking of communion. Not to preach, but there are souls. Everyone has one. And just because you have never seen God, likewise you have never seen the wind or air. You know that they are there because science says it is so. Aura's are not souls. Aura's are excess energy. And so, yes, rocks have energy. You are welcome to your own beliefs, i am simply stating my own, however, none of us will truely know the truth, until we get there (when we die, or when the end of the world comes, however that may happen). sorry for the l;ong winded approach, i hope i helped answer ateast someones question.

[Quicksilver]

I am very sorry to hear that your oppinion on all Chistians is that they destroy. I am 100% a believer in the finer things that my saviour Christ has to offer. It is not my, or my gods fault that the Catholic religion takes the guise of Christians and then goes on drinking binges or beats their wife and kids or fornicates or starts a holy war/ jihad (the crusades) or whatever. Please, all of you, do refrain from basing your oppinions on any or all Christians from one spoiled apple. No, i realize that catholics are not the only trouble makers and i appologize for giving the impression that they are. Its is simply that most of the bad impresions on Christ are associated with them. Why do they pray to Mary? In the bible it says you should only pray to the father, son, and Holy Spirit. Why do they do religious rituals? In the bible it says you're only ritual is the taking of communion. Not to preach, but there are souls. Everyone has one. And just because you have never seen God, likewise you have never seen the wind or air. You know that they are there because science says it is so. Aura's are not souls. Aura's are excess energy. And so, yes, rocks have energy. You are welcome to your own beliefs, i am simply stating my own, however, none of us will truely know the truth, until we get there (when we die, or when the end of the world comes, however that may happen). sorry for the l;ong winded approach, i hope i helped answer ateast someones question.

I've got a simple question: If the root is Bad, how is the Tree any good??

The Catholic faith is what is left of the original christian faith... all current christian protestant religions are based on the Catholic views of god christ and the holy spirit, my biggest beef, is that NO ONE has any clue what the correct religion is, because EVERY time god attempts to set us straight, the WRONG people warp these laws, and suggestions to control people...I hate people... I'm gonna go get another shot of 1800..brb...

~† Quicksilver †~

[The Fallen]

I've got a simple question: If the root is Bad, how is the Tree any good??

The Catholic faith is what is left of the original christian faith... all current christian protestant religions are based on the Catholic views of god christ and the holy spirit, my biggest beef, is that NO ONE has any clue what the correct religion is, because EVERY time god attempts to set us straight, the WRONG people warp these laws, and suggestions to control people...I hate people... I'm gonna go get another shot of 1800..brb...

~† Quicksilver †~
1800? what pray tell is that? I can't blame you for your distaste in ppl. There are bad ppl in the wrong areas of any religion, and unfortunately, these are the ppl that us Christians have to deal with. No. Noone has the correct religion, though, any that has to do with Christ as the embodyment/ son of God are all about what Christ taught. its funny. you can talk about God and religion to anyone for forever, but the second you mention Christ, they all want to end the conversation. Jesus said He was the son of God. End of story. Either he was or he wasn't. if he was who he said he was, then Christians have no worries. If he wasn't, then he either knew he wasn't or he didn't. If he knew that he was lying (and i am saying IF) then he had deceived thousands of ppl in cold blood. He would have been lying about everything, love everybody, be peaceful, all that jazz, and he also would have known that what he was saying would have been the one and only cause for his death. If he didn't know, and he thought that he was, but was in fact not who he said he was, then he was a fool, and a fool, i doubt anyway, would have the kind of insight that he had.

[DarkHunter]

And in this debate you guys have skewed from the original question and wasted time and energy of everybody for having to read the same arguments of one of the oldest debates here.

Sure we have souls. Have no argument for or against because its just something I believe.

[lordragoon]

Souls are little bundles of excuses that we make up so we can really think of ourselves as different from every other animal. I don't believe in them, mainly because I can't agree with something like that. The concept of a soul is ugly - I don't want the metaphysical equivilant of my next hamburger looking down on me, but I can't believe something as intelligent as some animals would lack whatever it is that makes us 'aware'.
I have no reasons for or against; it's mainly a taste thing.

[Loups_Garou]

A soul is a physical being, human or animal, not somethime capable of continued consciousness in some other realm of existence. I think it's ridiculous that "Christians" believe that all humans have spirit souls, those who do have never read the bible through, I mean just look a Genisis 2:7, how could Adam have "become a living soul" if the soul is some spirit inside of you? Also Genisis 9:5 there's a part that says "the blood of your souls I shall ask back" if the soul is a spirit how can it have blood? And also "the soul that is sinning it itself shall die" i forget where that is exactly but i think it's somewhere in corinthians.

[Antero Vipunen]

I persoanlly feel that the "soul" is that divine spark that we call life...no more or less.

[Xzengrim]

Bah! There is no soul! At least, there is none as far as my data has suggested.

Maybe we could call the individuality of each human being the soul... just the fact that it was different from any other. Yet this is meaningless, especially when there are SO many humans, and they are SO like one another that their differences become infinitesimal in any practical sense.

They are robots. And so am I.

[Loups_Garou]

Bah! There is no soul! At least, there is none as far as my data has suggested.

Maybe we could call the individuality of each human being the soul... just the fact that it was different from any other. Yet this is meaningless, especially when there are SO many humans, and they are SO like one another that their differences become infinitesimal in any practical sense.

They are robots. And so am I.


Did u read what I said? A soul is just a living creature, not a spirit, nothin special or unique to humans just a living breathin creature nothin more.

[lycanthrope012_8_03]

I disagree, i've heard all A soul is is a christian beliefe that when you die, your soul goes either to heaven

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

I disagree, i've heard all A soul is is a christian beliefe that when you die, your soul goes either to heaven


t is not just a christian belief, but also apart of buddism hindism, and if i'm not mistaken, Taoism

[Loups_Garou]

I disagree, i've heard all A soul is is a christian beliefe that when you die, your soul goes either to heaven
Once again, u didn't read what I said did u? "Christians" who belive that the soul is a spirit obviously don't read the bible, I remembered that scripture from b'for, it's Ezekiel 18:4 that say "the soul that is sinnin it itself shall die", if a soul DIES it isn't an immortal spirit. Too many "christians" bend the truth of the bible to the way they want it, and it's not just about the soul, y'know God's personal name was mentioned sotm like 700 times in the bible, yet most translations replace it with things like "lord" or "God", tho he is often reffered to as that not every bible refferance of him speaks of him that way, if u have a bible just look up Psalms 83:17-18 most translations have it there. I'm gettin sidetracked tho, yes there are other relegions that teach of humans having spirit soul or some other spirit essence inside of them, I'm just sayin that as far as the "christian" belief of a spirit soul goes it's just ridiculous, the bible reffers to soul as living creatures, human or animal.

[The Fallen]

are you a christian? have you read the bible? thoae are good points to ponder but you also have to keep in mind that an ALMIGHTY GOD who created the universe, can do and make anything he wants
ALso take into consideration that (my theory is anyway) when the proverbial Adam and Eve took the bite out of the fruit (not an apple) from the tree of knowledge of good and evil, a veil of sorts was thrown over our eyes. This veil (again, my theory) went so far as to infect our brain and not let us see the things that God had a hand in for what it truely was. But also, as i always say, we won't know until we get there.