does reality exist?

[Hellcat]

Does reality exist, or is it just a figment of our imaginations- or mine? Maybe I'm the only human in existence and I've created a reality within my own head. Maybe I don't even have a body- maybe I'm making that one up too. Maybe this existence is another episode of Red Dwarf's 'Better than Life' .

[Wraywolf]

Oh no! No no no no no! I knew that this was going to happen, the second we agreed on a philosophy forum I KNEW this would come up.

I’m going to compact my whole view on this subject, and if it so demands write a lengthy detailed essay about existing, but for now, just my little motto.

“Nothing is absolute, except for rocks. Example, when I kick a rock, I feel pain. This proving two things: One, both the rock and myself exist, because the rock made me hurt, and I was conscious of said hurt. Two, kicking rocks is a bad idea.”

[Hellcat]

Oh no! No no no no no! I knew that this was going to happen, the second we agreed on a philosophy forum I KNEW this would come up.

I’m going to compact my whole view on this subject, and if it so demands write a lengthy detailed essay about existing, but for now, just my little motto.

“Nothing is absolute, except for rocks. Example, when I kick a rock, I feel pain. This proving two things: One, both the rock and myself exist, because the rock made me hurt, and I was conscious of said hurt. Two, kicking rocks is a bad idea.”

Yeah, but how do you know that pain isn't just a figment of your vivid imagination? :D

p.s Wraywolf you only exist because I created you- now VANISH :D

j/k

[Lone_Wolf]

Of course, what if the rock is just a figment of your imagination? what if the pain is as well?

the answer to this is simple. you don't know if its real or not, except for the fact that if it wasn't real that it certainley wouldn't be a TV show, because neither tv nor that show exist. Just assume its real. Its simpler that way, and if it isn't then you still had fun, or didn't. besides. i've though the same thing myself, and theres lots of things going on that you don't know about, therefore you couldn't have made it up, and furthermore you can't see the future. If you made this up you could also control it too... sorry to burst your bubble

[Lone_Wolf]

! ack! i said the same thing before seeing your post! out of my head! NOW!!!

[LycanSpectre]

I refer you to the Matrix. Reality must be defined before you can debate its existence.

Along these same lines, is your reality the same as mine? Is what I consider to be real in my reality something else in yours? If I were to suddenly pop into your reality, would the humans in your reality resemble humans from mine?

Its all relative. :D

[Wolffy13]

I used to wonder if I am just a newborn baby in one of those hospital cribs, seeing my entire life before I lived it, as if I were dreaming it or something. That was always my version of "How do I know this is all real?".

[Hellcat]

You've all said some really interesting things on this subject. It's interesting to hear how people percieve reality (or not). I often wonder whether any of you people really exist. Just because I see words on a screen doesn't necessarily mean that you are real. What if reality is a form of madness- a whole existence based on strange dream. Yeah maybe we are all dreaming that same dream, but possibly not if everyone except yourself only came into a brief existence as long as your mind permitted it. What of all those people you pass in the street everyday? Except for an odd few, you won't even remember their faces, do these people really exist once they've stepped out of your field of vision? Do they have lives to live, or do they just vanish until you require their presence again. What if Death is the moment when we wake up from a lucid dream to find that reality is something completely different, that maybe death is another life waiting for you to wake up to yet another reality, and one reality follows another like a chain of dreams that twist from one theme to another. I'm not talking about reincarnation or heaven & hell...something maybe that we are presently beyond imagining. They say life is what you make of it- maybe it is, maybe the bad things that happen in our life is some perverse thought that drifted into or minds like some nightmare and we only wake up from that nightmare either when we die or when we realise that we can control our dreams. I'm not a Christian, but lets pretend for arguments sake that there is truth in the bible -there is a story about a man (in John I think) who's son is dying. The man ran to Jesus and asked him to come and save his son, Jesus told the man his son would live. The man believed the word of Jesus, so did his household and his son lived. What if that man never believed the word of Jesus, would his son have died? Did Jesus really save the man's son? What if the son only existed because his father created him in his own lifes dream, what if the fathers own perverse thought was giving birth to the nightmare that would make his son disappear from his reality? What if by believing (with conviction) his son would live he prevented his own reality twisting into a nightmare? Was it his Faith in Jesus that saved his son, or his faith in his own conviction that his son would live that saved him? This is all thoughts, a chain of ideas that have followed one another, and probably mean nothing, but interesting to think about if one has the time to dwindle over such things

[Chaoil]

Nothing is an absolute fact. We put faith in our perception of our sensation, and build logically onto that.
But before you can consider of something is or isn't you must first know what "it" ammounts to.
"The quality or state of being actual or true."
Meaning if something is not real, it must be fake. But, for something to be fake, by definition, there must be something real. Thus, there is neither, or there is reality. And for you to experiance anything is proof enough that there is something.

[MexicanJewLizard]

I'm not a Christian, but lets pretend for arguments sake that there is truth in the bible -there is a story about a man (in John I think) who's son is dying. The man ran to Jesus and asked him to come and save his son, Jesus told the man his son would live. The man believed the word of Jesus, so did his household and his son lived. What if that man never believed the word of Jesus, would his son have died? Did Jesus really save the man's son

A) It wasn't John. But let's not get into that.
B) I guess, using the Christian asumption, that yes, the son would have died. Jesus was a "Miracle Worker" and so I'm guessing that at that point he used one of his supernatural powers to heal the boy.

Reality is but our existance. Let's take a CD, for example. It is completely real in every way. The sound, the cover, the texture, everything. Life isn't a dream, it's real. Deal with it, get over your theories of your own reality. Snap into the real world and realize this is real.

The whole "Life is what you make it" is completely irrelevant to this. That refers to an optomistic outlook on things. Looking at the glass half full rather than half empty.

So sit back, think for a second what proof you have of creating your own reality. come back and post your millions of results. I'm quite interested in how you even came to ask if others very existance is false.

[Hellcat]

I'm quite interested in how you even came to ask if others very existance is false.

I spend to much time thinking- it comes from my dads side of the family. Also I am interested to know how other individuals percieve reality and whether or not they actually believe it. I don't remember implying if others existance is false, the fact that they exist at all is evident that it isn't false, however I do recall wondering how long that existence lasted when one individual stepped out of the line of vision (or other senses) of another. This, I believe, is the philosphy section, I do believe I have as much right as the next person to invest my interest in other peoples opinions- please feel free to correct me if I am wrong. Your own opinion is valid of course, it gives me food for thought... we can sit and debate over such trivia for hours, but there is nothing to prove that our senses are valid proof to define reality from fantasy or dream, any more than there is evidence to prove that the defintion of reality is what we percieve it to be.

[Hellcat]

Oh btw, if it wasn't John, who was it? (just out of interest)

[Ronin]

If reality is nothing more than a figment of your imagination, how come we're not all millionaires living the high life with no problems? If you were able to create your own reality, would you really want to create pain or disease or hatred? Why do these things exist? Why would you want to waste energy manifesting such things when you could, in theory, manifest nothing but pure bliss on a constant basis?

I don't want to work. I don't want to pay bills or have a wisdom tooth extracted, yet this is reality for most people. Some more serious than others. Ask a patient with cancer this question and they'll probably tell you if it was up to them they wouldn't have cancer yet they do.

~Ronin

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

If reality is nothing more than a figment of your imagination, how come we're not all millionaires living the high life with no problems? If you were able to create your own reality, would you really want to create pain or disease or hatred? Why do these things exist? Why would you want to waste energy manifesting such things when you could, in theory, manifest nothing but pure bliss on a constant basis?

I don't want to work. I don't want to pay bills or have a wisdom tooth extracted, yet this is reality for most people. Some more serious than others. Ask a patient with cancer this question and they'll probably tell you if it was up to them they wouldn't have cancer yet they do.

~Ronin


Because that would be boring, do you know that if we lived in peaceful bliss we couldn't? Because we'd be so bored we'd want to do something sinful. Of course, maybe what you think is sinful, is no sinful and therefore it's not evil... You see going into this kind of universal stuff makes you dizzy, kinda like i am now actually.
besides, how would we die then? Eventually you'll want to kill yourself if you can't die (im not supirsed god has already done so)

In Sort that is my chaos theory

[Ronin]

Because that would be boring, do you know that if we lived in peaceful bliss we couldn't? Because we'd be so bored we'd want to do something sinful. Of course, maybe what you think is sinful, is no sinful and therefore it's not evil... You see going into this kind of universal stuff makes you dizzy, kinda like i am now actually.
besides, how would we die then? Eventually you'll want to kill yourself if you can't die (im not supirsed god has already done so)

In Sort that is my chaos theory So you're implying people with cancer actually want to live that lifestyle of pain and suffering because they would be bored otherwise?

OK....

~Ronin

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

So you're implying people with cancer actually want to live that lifestyle of pain and suffering because they would be bored otherwise?

OK....

~Ronin

Rather they don't have any choice in the matter. Cancer is merely nature at work, how else will we die anyway? Ok, just one the ways to die... but still.

Peace can not exist w/o chaos, because if there wasn't any, what would be the point of trying to find that quiet place? It's all balence. So this my equation to define reality

peace + chaos = reality

if one was missing i'd know i would be dreaming :beerchug:

[Ronin]

Rather they don't have any choice in the matter. Cancer is merely nature at work, That's just it, they do have a choice. Go back and read the topic of the thread and the first post. It's not a question of "nature at work" or "dying." The topic is "Does reality exist?" One of the arguments is maybe "reality" is just a figment of your imagination and you create your own "reality."

So again I pose the question, based on the argument at hand of a person being able to create their own reality, people with cancer choose to go through the pain and suffering? Why? When, in theory, if we were able to create our own reality through our imagination I highly doubt you would choose to have a life-threatening disease when you could easily imagine something better.

~Ronin

[LycanSpectre]

And how do you know that its them that is imagining they have cancer. Maybe its YOU imagining they have cancer, in order to make your reality seem better.

[Ronin]

And how do you know that its them that is imagining they have cancer. Maybe its YOU imagining they have cancer, in order to make your reality seem better. Thank you! Someone finally gets it! That's exactly right. Like I believe I saw someone else comment in this thread, what if I'm just imagining YOU all replying to me? So really I'm talking and arguing with myself. Just because I see words on the screen doesn't validate your existence any more.

Likewise, for all the people that you imagine in your reality, those people might have their own reality where they're imagining everyone around them, and consequently, maybe you are the one they see with cancer and then they ask themselves, why would that person imagine themselves with cancer if reality is nothing more than what we imagine?

Class dismissed :cool:

~Ronin

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

That's just it, they do have a choice. Go back and read the topic of the thread and the first post. It's not a question of "nature at work" or "dying." The topic is "Does reality exist?" One of the arguments is maybe "reality" is just a figment of your imagination and you create your own "reality."

So again I pose the question, based on the argument at hand of a person being able to create their own reality, people with cancer choose to go through the pain and suffering? Why? When, in theory, if we were able to create our own reality through our imagination I highly doubt you would choose to have a life-threatening disease when you could easily imagine something better.

~Ronin


But that's another quirk to realizing that you are actaully in reality. You have very little control what happens to you. You only have control on what you do. If that person got cancer, it's from either a wrong turn in a life decision, or it's something higher than what that person can control. I'm not going to go into fate or anything.

Your right, that is if you could control your reality entirly, you'd much rather choose something peaceful, but THEN AGAIN, how would you know it was peaceful and good if there wasn't something to contrast with you or someone else's reality? Like i said peace+chaos=Reality.

NOW class dismissed :wavey:

[Ronin]

But that's another quirk to realizing that you are actaully in reality. You have very little control what happens to you. Yes, I know this. That's why I was saying for the people who think reality is just imagined, how come they're not all millionaires instead of living normal life, paying bills, going to work/school and dealing with everyday shit.

~Ronin

[LycanSpectre]

But that's another quirk to realizing that you are actaully in reality. You have very little control what happens to you. You only have control on what you do. If that person got cancer, it's from either a wrong turn in a life decision, or it's something higher than what that person can control. I'm not going to go into fate or anything.

Your right, that is if you could control your reality entirly, you'd much rather choose something peaceful, but THEN AGAIN, how would you know it was peaceful and good if there wasn't something to contrast with you or someone else's reality? Like i said peace+chaos=Reality.

NOW class dismissed :wavey:

You are assuming that everyone has equal sentience and is "real". I think Ronin is implying that you are the only truly sentient bieng, and the only real being. Others are just figments of your imagination created to fill space in your individual reality.

[Ronin]

I think Ronin is implying that you are the only truly sentient bieng, and the only real being. Others are just figments of your imagination created to fill space in your individual reality. Yes, that's it exactly. Not to be confused with that's what I personally believe. But for the sake of this argument that's what the thread is about and what I was trying to convey. Thanks.

~Ronin

[LycanSpectre]

Yes, that's it exactly. Not to be confused with that's what I personally believe. But for the sake of this argument that's what the thread is about and what I was trying to convey. Thanks.

~Ronin

Anytime. :beerchug:

[Hellcat]

Anytime. :beerchug:

Well guys thanks for the input, that was the concept I was 'trying' to put across. Of course non of it really matters. Whether we exist by our own means or somebody/thing elses, it doesn't matter. We are here til the end of the game and thats the bit that's important. Anyone want to throw in any new concepts of reality? If it's not what we think it is what else might it be? ...if it is. :D

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

Well guys thanks for the input, that was the concept I was 'trying' to put across. Of course non of it really matters. Whether we exist by our own means or somebody/thing elses, it doesn't matter. We are here til the end of the game and thats the bit that's important. Anyone want to throw in any new concepts of reality? If it's not what we think it is what else might it be? ...if it is. :D


Absolute truth is hard to comprehend, or understand for that matter, on a large scale.

It's best not to open the pandora's box about this. Somethings are not meant to be found

And besides if i agreed with him on his terms, he'd be right :beerchug:

[MexicanJewLizard]

If it wasn't John's, who's was it?

John 4: 43-54

After the two days he left for Galilee (Now Jesus himself had pointed out that a prophet has no honor in his own country.) When he arrived in Galilee, the Galileans welcomed him. They had seen all that he had done in Jerusalem at the passover feast, for they had also been there.

Once more he visited Cana in Galilee, where he had turned water into wine. And there was a certain royal officer whose son lay sick at Capernaum. When this man heard that Jesus has arrived in Galilee from Judea, he went to him and begged him to come and clean his son, who was close to death.

"Unless you people see miraculous signs and wonders," Jesus told him, "you will never believe."

The royal officer said,, "Sir, come down before my child dies."

Jesus replied, "You may go. Your son will live."

The man took Jesus at his word and departed. While he was still on the way, his servants met him with the news that his boy was living. When he inquired as to the time when his son got better, they said to him, "The fever left him yesterday at the seventh hour."

Then the father realized that this was tje exact time at which Jesus had said to him, "Your son will live." So he and all his household believed.

This was the second miraculous sign that Jesus preformed, having come from Judea to Galilee.

[orange camelion]

i have also thought many times that maybe everyone else is just a figment of my imagination that i am sleeping and dreaming everything and maybe nothing is real,but iv also thought what if everyone is acting and im the only one who thinks this life is real(yes i do know thats a film but it makes you think)maybe everyone around me is just acting seeing what reactions ill give in different situations and testing me all the time and when im not with them or talking to them,do they still exist?or do they all have completely different lives that only happen when im not there?
as for why no one imagines themselves as millionaires,what would be the point?what good is money,if you have enough to survive comfortably anyway?

[LV426]

i have also thought many times that maybe everyone else is just a figment of my imagination that i am sleeping and dreaming everything and maybe nothing is real,but iv also thought what if everyone is acting and im the only one who thinks this life is real(yes i do know thats a film but it makes you think)maybe everyone around me is just acting seeing what reactions ill give in different situations and testing me all the time and when im not with them or talking to them,do they still exist?or do they all have completely different lives that only happen when im not there?
as for why no one imagines themselves as millionaires,what would be the point?what good is money,if you have enough to survive comfortably anyway?

In that case you can send all your money my way.

[Blazer]

As this thread has risen from the grave thought I'd add my two cents.

This debate has been going on for years & is unlikely to be resolved any time soon (at least until we die and the words "GAME-OVER" flash before us) :)

There was an ancient philosopher who had a dream he was a butterfly. So real was the dream that when he woke up he is said to have said:
"Last night I was a man dreaming I was a butterfly. Today am I a butterfly dreaming I am a man?"

There seems to be a trend of thinking that we are creating reality through our perceptions. What if someone or something else is creating our reality.
As much as I hate to quote The Matrix :cool: it did bring up some points that have been covered. If the world was perfect then humans wouldn't accept it. This is because we have ambitions and goals that define who we are. If we had everything then there would be nothing left to strive for so what would be the point?

Religions often have god/s creating reality. People are always saying "It's God's will"; "There but for the grace of God go I" or more importantly "God is testing us".

Both of which still leave open the possiblity that the people in the street don't exist after we've lost sight of them & would explain why bad things happen.

I always liked to think we have a higher-self (maybe a soul) that's testing us & through these tests making us better people.
But as I fast wandering into religion I'll leave it there.

[XWOLFX]

This is a very hard question even though everyone thinks its reality (including me), what about the thought that everyday someone is going beyond the limits. Breaking records, doing something such as (as some people say they have) P-shifting, magic, or anything that defies, what we call, reality.

Other things such as the ability to evolve. It just makes me think how it is possible for people to evolve at the same rate (such as everyone is starting to get taller and live longer) when there is really no set course, and there are different conditions all over the world. They say it is because of nuetrition, but even the people who live in poverty are living longer also. This isn't just for people but all things. Any animal that lives in several parts of the world don't change or evolve because of it, they are evolving together. Its almost as if there is a program that is controlling every species.

I hope this makes you think.

[orange camelion]

In that case you can send all your money my way.

i only have enough money to survive comfortably as i was saying and i am quite content thank you! just a question though what would you do with the money if you had it?would it go to good or bad?happinness or misery?(yes i know this is going off the point)

[Blazer]

question though what would you do with the money if you had it?would it go to good or bad?happinness or misery?(yes i know this is going off the point)

"You can't buy happiness, but you can rent it for a while."

If we create reality why aren't we millionaires?
Look at the rich people in the world. A lot of them have problems. They can turn to drink or drugs which suggests they are missing something in their lives.

My personal opinion. I've been rich. I've been poor. Rich is better.

[DarkWolf]

Orange camelion, having all the money in the world does not mean having everything you want. Most people when they acquire their millions, store it and live comfortably off the Interest gained. As for "good or bad", who cares? If it harms nobody then do what you legally want. If I had millions, I'd pay off all debts etc but do you know what my main use of it would be? Keeping my family outside of terrible financial trouble if they reach dire straights, occasionally buying a DVD to watch if I see a movie I'd like to own. Perhaps buy a music CD when I tire of the music I have already and want something new. Surviving comfortable is the same for sombody living in a flat, as it is for a millionaire in a mansion. They're surviving, and they're comfortable and content.

Money has little, if any, relevance to the topic. The example was raised to question the argument. If somebody wanted extra money so they could be happy then by the "reality isn't real" theory they could imagine the money and acquire it. You can't, end of story.

Also, if you wish to enquire about other's use of finances try a PM. The topic of money in this ends now. Stay on topic.

[orange camelion]

[QUOTE=DarkWolf]Orange camelion, having all the money in the world does not mean having everything you want. Most people when they acquire their millions, store it and live comfortably off the Interest gained. As for "good or bad", who cares? If it harms nobody then do what you legally want. If I had millions, I'd pay off all debts etc but do you know what my main use of it would be? Keeping my family outside of terrible financial trouble if they reach dire straights, occasionally buying a DVD to watch if I see a movie I'd like to own. Perhaps buy a music CD when I tire of the music I have already and want something new. Surviving comfortable is the same for sombody living in a flat, as it is for a millionaire in a mansion. They're surviving, and they're comfortable and content.



those are also my views on money you fail to see


[QUOTE=DarkWolf]Money has little, if any, relevance to the topic. The example was raised to question the argument. If somebody wanted extra money so they could be happy then by the "reality isn't real" theory they could imagine the money and acquire it. You can't, end of story.


yes i know why money was raised and that it has no relevence to the topic i said that in my post it was just a curiosity i wished to express im sorry for going off topic but thanks for answering all the same

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

But money is a matieral object, do you really expect that to give you ever lasting happiness? Money is just a resource like food. It is needed but not always to promote happiness...

although after a certain point and time you will get pissed off if you don't eat, i argee with that :D

Right now in our Capitalist country, money is a resource which we all need and thus this is our reality.
But if we can create reality what is the point of "living". This is what i was trying to get at eariler, but i couldn't describe it at the time. This is my ultimate point of Peaceand Chaos equals reality.

What i mean is nobody can create a reality without a main resource; information, and money are examples i have used but there are many MANY resources which you can exploit to this. This is the only way you can bend time and space if you will.

So it all comes down to the one with the most vast and powerful resources. Do this and you can command reality. This is THE REASON why people who are not millionares when they wish to be

[DarkWolf]

Nightmare_GenoReaper :

If reality isn't real, and just figments of imagination that is set up in our minds for one reason or another (reality theory) then those resources are also imaginations and can be maniupulated by will alone. Your use of resources isn't about "reality", it's about environment. Yes, with money and similar resources you can change things, but that is from an environmental standpoint and not "reality". Reality is all you comprehend, everything is reality. Not just your country, lifestyle or such as, by reality they mean the whole universe that you understand. Every star in the sky would be something you control, ever speck of dust, everything.

This thread is "the Matrix" deal. Are we really here in this world or is it all in our heads? Resources would not come into it.

[GarouX]

I really don't know.

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

Nightmare_GenoReaper :

If reality isn't real, and just figments of imagination that is set up in our minds for one reason or another (reality theory) then those resources are also imaginations and can be maniupulated by will alone. Your use of resources isn't about "reality", it's about environment. Yes, with money and similar resources you can change things, but that is from an environmental standpoint and not "reality". Reality is all you comprehend, everything is reality. Not just your country, lifestyle or such as, by reality they mean the whole universe that you understand. Every star in the sky would be something you control, ever speck of dust, everything.

This thread is "the Matrix" deal. Are we really here in this world or is it all in our heads? Resources would not come into it.

"Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting DIFFERENT RESULTS"

This thread is insanity because the answer is based upon people's expierences. We are not 4th dimensional travelers, we are human. Pondering about such events as this seems pointless at this point and time. But suppose i beliee what you say holds truth. What if this is MY imagination, meaning everything in the universe is controled by me, are you sure that YOUR exstance is in MY hands. If my existance depends upon YOUR thoughts, am i still alive when you are not thinking of me? This is apparently so by your standards, but is it happening?? NEVER. Does your appearance change because i imagine you as your avatar, NEVER. This is because it is happening IN MY MIND but it is not happening to you.

This is what i'm trying to get at. And you obivously did not read my post clearly enough. A Resource can be "the ultimate power" as well. A Resource can be the power to create life, destroy it, move the stars, and blast them at your will. A resource can be this. How come you ask, because it is availble to you like water or food, coal and gas, fire and light, is to me. I mean aren't you your most powerful resource your influence of what you think breathe and do? Are you not the one who chooses to come to this board and think of these thoughts? You seem to think so, because if you were the highest being able to command the elements at your wim, you are your power. Aren't we all? If you can do this, THIS is your resource and thus is reality.

And trust me i understand by what you mean and i'm asking you this based on your theories. But no matter how you can i word your theories about reality it is still all perception, because if you can think up a place and it exists, do other people see it the same way?

But dream all you like, dream away till you think you are right, but the abosulte truth is, it wont happen till you make it happen. That's that. Just tell me if you understand my reasons and i won't post again in this thread.

[DarkWolf]

Nightmare, those theories aren't mine, I'm merely presenting them. it seems not only do I now understand your post: but find we are both saying the same thing. My description of willing a change in reality seems to be the same as your description of resource. In reality theory, we have that resource you stated. But I don't agree with this "reality" theory.

The most basic of my point, from my personal perception, is: I don't care. My reality is all I have, and all I need, and all I want. Why change the reality, when it solves and gives you nothing? Assuming you could anyway. I'll settle for environmental changes: moving house, earning money, learning etc. These are enough for me.

The only "truth" I know of is "cognito ergo sum"- I think therefore I am. I know I exist, and all that is around me exists to me. I'm happy with that. I don't care what happens to the reality I don't think about. If I no longer perceive you, why care what happens to you? The result is the same either way, so what difference does it make?

My family, my friends, my hobbies.... In reality theory they may be false, non-existant or not real. If this is true: they are there because I want them, and if it is false: they are still there anyway. So why bother pondering the outcome of the theory?

The only truth left standing from the theory is "I think therefore I am" as proof of my existence. If love my comforts; my family and friends. But if they are taken from me: so be it.

I exist.

That's all the reason I need to live and make what I can in whatever reality is around me.

[Shoggoth]

Does reality exist, or is it just a figment of our imaginations- or mine? Maybe I'm the only human in existence and I've created a reality within my own head. Maybe I don't even have a body- maybe I'm making that one up too. Maybe this existence is another episode of Red Dwarf's 'Better than Life' .

I can move, I can think think, I can react with and measure aspects of the evironment. I can see stars in space and know, though they may be invisible to my naked eye, that there are other planets orbiting our sun. I know there are laws, natural tendencies, that effect this earth and the things on it. Entropy, gravity. Evolution.
Yes, reality exists; even if it is only in my mind.

[Binkx]

I would go back to my whole "We are just charectors in a story book living as it is being written" but it makes less sense then it did when i was 8, but i guess reality is what we make of it. You can feel pain in dreams (or is that just me?) so who is to say that when we dream that is not the reality and when we are awake it is the dream?

Ok...i just lost myself...*holds head*

[Hybrid]

Does reality exist, or is it just a figment of our imaginations- or mine? Maybe I'm the only human in existence and I've created a reality within my own head. Maybe I don't even have a body- maybe I'm making that one up too. Maybe this existence is another episode of Red Dwarf's 'Better than Life' .

Everything that you can detect with your senses is real, otherwise how would your senses have picked up on it to begin with? Even if you were to see an illusion, the illusion is still real....as an illusion.

Everything you can sense is indeed part of your imagination because all that you sense is processed within your brain. Your imagination comes from your brain as well, but wait........ how do you know if your brain is really in that head of yours that you can feel with your hands? Look in the mirror, see your head? How do you know your reflection is real? Such questions can drive a person insane. Just keep it simple. If you can detect anything with any of your senses, then it is real. :D

[Klark]

If you can detect anything with any of your senses, then it is real. :D

So crazy people really aren't crazy? The voices are real, the smells are real and God really did tell them to KILL KILL KILL!!!

*taps his chin* interesting....

[Hybrid]

So crazy people really aren't crazy? The voices are real, the smells are real and God really did tell them to KILL KILL KILL!!!

*taps his chin* interesting....

Lunacy only exists because an opposing majority says so. This does not mean that I endorse "psychotic" behavior, but as long as someone isn't stepping on my toes or the toes of the people I love, then all lunatics can do as they please. :D