Religion of WW.com

[Blackjaguarkat]

I was just curious as to what path you follow? I myself am Wiccan. Another question is do you get percutied for your beilifs? My mom thinks I'm crazy because she is christian and I am Wiccan. How do you explain your beilifs to others? I'm just curious.

[silenceowl]

I consider myself a taoist.
I don't really tell anyone, but the ones who know don't really care.

[Tempest]

I was just curious as to what path you follow? I myself am Wiccan. Another question is do you get percutied for your beilifs? My mom thinks I'm crazy because she is christian and I am Wiccan. How do you explain your beilifs to others? I'm just curious.
I am a shamanic Wiccan. It depends on what you mean by "persecuted." I'm not burned or hanged, but my parents think I'm psychotic. Most people don't really care (except for the Bible-bearing Christians who think their way is the only way and wish to "save" me from my sins...). I usually just say, "Yeah, I'm Wiccan." And if they're too naive to know what it is, I explain it by saying "It is a nature-based belief that recognizes a Goddess and a God."

[DarkWolf]

I was just curious as to what path you follow? I myself am Wiccan. Another question is do you get percutied for your beilifs? My mom thinks I'm crazy because she is christian and I am Wiccan. How do you explain your beilifs to others? I'm just curious.
Put simply it is thus: I believe there could be deities, I believe there could be heaven and hell.. but equal to this is my inability to care. I walk my path and live my life, I need no religion to make me smile in a morning despite my health, I need to no religion to tell me there is hope: I simply have faith in myself, in my soul and my family. That's all I need.

As for explaining: I just say to them what I have typed to you, and then let them think on it if they wish: But the conversation would be over on my part: I would say no more on it, answer no question, and either walk away or change the subject. My beliefs are my own: If they believe some religion, power to them, if it gives them hope for life at the end of the day, and strength: who cares? Whether you pray to God, other deities, demons or the Devil or just yourself: All of it is the same thing: Hope and Strength to live and enjoy it.

[lordragoon]

It's agnostic, DarkWolf, and I'm afraid that I have to say the same thing about myself.
I don't see why you'd have to explain it to anyone; the point of ignoring religion is not having to discuss it.

[DarkHunter]

I'm one of those confusing people who seem to be a mix match of beliefs.

Sorta persecuted for my beliefs but not really.

How do I explain? I don't. People ask, I don't tell them. Its fun to hear them guess.

[Tohaan]

Strange one here. I believe in 'the fates'. (Clotho,Lachesis,Atr opos).

I was brought up Christian, looked into buddha and settled on Fates. I just have this feeling/sense about it :confused:

[lycanthrope012_8_03]

I worship She-Wolf

[Blackjaguarkat]

My main diety is Bast. I say prayers to her nightly. My mother who is christian doesn't understand me and in a way it bothers me. She makes me go to her church every Sunday. I play bass guitar for them. I wear my pentical for everyone to see and it doesn't bother the congragation. I guess it shouldn't bother me either but it does. Oh well.

[LV426]

My main diety is Bast. I say prayers to her nightly. My mother who is christian doesn't understand me and in a way it bothers me. She makes me go to her church every Sunday. I play bass guitar for them. I wear my pentical for everyone to see and it doesn't bother the congragation. I guess it shouldn't bother me either but it does. Oh well.
Pentacle




I am my own God.

Worshippers welcome as are donations and sacrifices.

[LycanSpectre]

I do not claim allegiance to any one religion. I just follow what is in my heart. No one religion has yet to cover all that I believe. When people ask, I just tell them that it depends. (That really confuses them!) :p

However, if someone attepmts to convert me or assault me with their religion in some other way, I have a tendancy to turn hostile. :banghead: I just hope no one tries to lay a hand on me when I ignore or dispute their claims that their faith is the only legitimate one. I'd probably remove their arm(s).

[Ankesanmun]

I am also a Witch (All witches are Wiccan but not all Wiccan are Witches). If the Calling is to Bast I have a few things that I can send you as I myself follow the Eguptian Path... I worship Sekhmet and if you wondered are these to Goddesses linked in any way No. Sekhmet and Bast are form the same pantheon but alas they are totally diffrent.

Give me a holler if you need anything

Ankh Udja Senebty

Life, Health, Prosperity

[LeenaAngelWing]

Subjective reality theoriest. Spiritualist. Omni Religious. I don't know what you would call me. I sorta... well believe in everything. Its kinda hard to explain. I could write an essay if you like. hehe as always, if anyone really ants to know more I'd gladdly speak to them through Instant Messages.

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

Pentacle




I am my own God.

Worshippers welcome as are donations and sacrifices.

HAHA

Well anyway I would have to say i believe in mixed religions, but i'm mainly a Humanist

[McKitty]

This sounds a bit odd, but I have a mixture of beliefs. My main deity is Athena and my other three are Sekhment, Freyja, and the Creator (in the Native American religion)

[Ankesanmun]

This sounds a bit odd, but I have a mixture of beliefs. My main deity is Athena and my other three are Sekhment, Freyja, and the Creator (in the Native American religion)

Well I have a whole lot of info on Sekhmet if you are interested

[DarkHunter]

I'm just gonna start my own religion. Who wants to join me?
I like Lycanthropichowl's "I'm God, worship me" idea.

[LycanSpectre]

I'm just gonna start my own religion. Who wants to join me?
I like Lycanthropichowl's "I'm God, worship me" idea.

Is the food free?

[Lost_Soul]

0.0;....>.<

I'm Roman Catholic but sometimes have trouble following everything the Church has decided that one is supposed to follow...

[Ben]

I am also a Witch (All witches are Wiccan but not all Wiccan are Witches).
That is untrue. Not all witches are Wiccan or vice versa. Wiccans follow the Wiccan Rede (http://www.wicca.com/celtic/wicca/rede.htm).

I am a witch, but not a Wiccan. I follow the God & Goddess, but have the shamanic bend of totems & nature spirits.

As there is no written in stone form of paganism (http://dictionary.reference .com/search?q=paganism). Alot of leeway is aloud. Paganism is a living, growing religion that has alot of flexibility & room for change

Good reads on the topic are by Isaac Bonewits (http://www.neopagan.net/). I've met him several times.







"Wicca, as you practice the religion today, is a new religion(created by Gerald Gardner), barely fifty years old. The techniques you use at present are not entirely what your elders practiced even thirty years ago. Of course, threads of 'what was' weave through the tapestry of 'what is now.' ...in no way can we replicate to perfection the precise circumstances of environment, society, culture, religion and magick a hundred years ago, or a thousand. Why would we want to ? The idea is to go forward with the knowledge of the past, tempered by the tools of our own age." -Silver RavenWolf wrote in 1998

[Wolffy13]

I'm Mormon (no, my father does not have more than one wife, we aren't a cult, and while we do have our "Holy Underwear", "Jesus 'Jammies", or whatever other term you may have for them, I have yet to earn mine) and I'm happy with it. It's funny, for being a christian religion, we get a lot of flak from other sects of christianity. I think I know why, and quite frankly it's really retarded :takes a moment to laugh and shake her head: Either way, whether I am christian or not, I don't go judging others who aren't christian. It's a free country and men died so you could worship however you darn well please. Not to mention, I use to be a witch anyway (was never Wiccan though) and I worked with the Egyptian Goddess Selket for a short amount of time. It was quite interesting.

Bast is cool too. I named my little cat after her. She even sits all regally like the cat statues of Bast. Once I finish her Egyptian styled collar, she'll look really authentic :buttrock:

[GhostBat]

I thought it might be interesting to discover what religions are practiced by ww.com members. Perhaps it might give insight to views being expressed here :shrug:

@#$#@% my poll didn't show...:(

Anyway...just go ahead and post what religion you may practice, and if it's something beyond the norm explain a little about it.

[Darth Cluich]

I was raised Catholic, but several years ago, I gave up my Catholicism for Lent.

[LycanSpectre]

I like to think for myself, so I dont claim any religion as my own, I make up my mind according to what makes sense to ME. :shrug:

I was raised Christian, but I dont buy everything Christianity teaches. Also, I dont like how closed minded most (I said most, not all!) christains and churches are.

My beliefs span many religions. I just pick and choose what I like and dont like. As I said, its whatever makes sense to me. Also, most major religions are the same. See my post in Double Standards for more on that theory. :)

[J.L.R.]

Independent Fundemental Baptist.....
(Translation) Our church is not a part of any big organization, telling you how to worship or what to say or teach. We believe just what the Bible teaches, and nothing more. No rituals, no rediculous dress codes, that say women should wear this or that (other than short shorts). men's hair lengths and all that moronic fanaticism.

I know I know, Baptist, it is scary, but please do not run away. I don't bite. I SIIIIING!! Okay...you might want to run.... :D

[Kirin Fenrir]

I myself am more spiritual than religious, but I guess I'll stand up and represent the wiccan religion anyway. I rather abhor the term, personally, since it's very utterance invokes images of either devil worship or (far, far worse) high-school nasccistic goths who wear too much make-up.

I do not "cast." I do not say "Merry meet." I'm a member of the value and belief system, and nothing more. Meaning I have a great affinity for the natural world and Celtic art as well as general wiccan philosophy.

Not to say that I don't believe in the basic beliefs in some other religions too, of course...I believe Christ was a real person, and a wise one. I'm just not so sure about the divine origin thing.

Wicca is an extremely loose religion, and the reason I call myself wiccan instead of the many other religions with similar values (including Christianity) is because I only believe in the possibility of things, not neccisarilly the existance. It's possible the Christ was everything the Christian Bible says, and it's possible he wasn't. It's possible that Muhammand was the prohpet of God or Allah...and it's possible he wasn't. I don't think as a human being I'm ever capable of fully understanding "truth."

If there is such a thing as truth. ;)

But what I can believe fully is the basic value system I feel to be what's best for myself and humanity, and the loose nature of the wiccan religion coencides best with this. So just call me Captain Skyclad.

[ArcaneWolf]

I was raised Catholic but no long believe it for my own personal reasons. I'm currently looking into Asatru (norse paganism) and some nihilist beliefs.

[LV426]

I am God.

[Kirin Fenrir]

No, no, see it's possible you are God, just not probable

:D

[Darth Cluich]

I am God.

We here at the Church of the Divine Howl worship the one and only TRUE god. At the end of services, which are held continuously at the Great Howlian Temple, collection plates are passed around to help with the substantial amount of money required to pay for LH's medication. ;)

[LV426]

We here at the Church of the Divine Howl worship the one and only TRUE god. At the end of services, which are held continuously at the Great Howlian Temple, collection plates are passed around to help with the substantial amount of money required to pay for LH's medication. ;)
Actually the collection is being used towards my "LycanthropicHowl for President" campaign. Feel free to make contributions anytime!

[Were-E-Wolf]

By title only I call my self an Athiest. I hold not belife if God what so ever. I have admited ot the possablity of their beign a higher being, but the only one I have exsepted so far is the spirit of Gaia, the Earth's spirit. I have deeply found my 'religous' influence in the Earth, and I doubt was I raised by any religon, but a combination of belifs from many.
My girlfriend says I am technicaly Agnostic and an Anti-Christ. I'm not an exstreamist, I don't go and burn bibles. Actual I am actual slowly working on reading it, just a little light reading, :D .
Hey, if all else fails, we deem LycanthropicHowl a Goddess (you are female right, it's hard to tell from screen names sometimes), and worship her.

[Wolffy13]

I'm Mormon :sighs: and no, we don't believe in polygamy, we're not a cult, we don't worship the devil, and yes we have our own state (that last one was a joke). Seriously, we are a sect of christianity that believes God has chosen once again to speak to a living prophet. We believe the founder of our church found a set of golden plates and with help from God was able to translate them into what is our Book of Mormon. We also put a lot of emphasis into families and even suggest Monday nights be spent with the family.

Personally, I'm thankful I had my religion. My family joined when I was five. If I didn't have it, I am sure I would be dying in the streets.

[GhostBat]

Personally, I'm thankful I had my religion. My family joined when I was five. If I didn't have it, I am sure I would be dying in the streets.

Would you mind explaining why you think so?

[Wolffy13]

I guess that would help, wouldn't it? :p Basically, just being taught all the principles and values and heeding their messages of benign acts towards yourself and others. Like I stated, the Mormons are big on family and I believed it helped my folks to try to keep up with my brother and I in everything we did.

If I didn't have the church, I'm sure I would of been a huge brat then turn into some pyscho-slut who loved to screw people over. My depression would of set in and I would of killed myself. Oy! Depression, what a curse!

[GhostBat]

I'm an agnostic.

In other words...I believe something bigger than myself exists, but don't know necessarily what it is.

Often I find myself leaning more towards a view of the universe (or universes) as energy*. The collective conscious of all the energy equaling perhaps a "god," though not in the normal sense. Following this logic, it would seem that all of "creation" is apart of "god."

I have quite abit more to add, but I thought I'd keep it simple.

*atoms (the basic building blocks of life) and quarks (which make up the parts of an atom) broken down, become energy

[SugarFalls]

All I really have to say is that, that is your religion or belief. It is what you believe in, and what you follow, and as long as it's your choice to follow that, I see no problem with it. Believing is the main part of any religion right? Well, as long as you believe in it, then you have every right in the world to follow it. At one time I was a Buddhist, but I converted, and now I'm a Christian. And one I've always thought that, if somebody believes something, all the power to them. They have a mind, can think for themselves, know what they want, and won't let anything come between that. So if anyone rags on you because you have different beliefs, it's really no different than theirs. Because it's something you deal with everyday, and it's a part of you like there beliefs are a part of them.

[kat]

So at what point are people going to be allowed to openly discuss the positive and negative aspects of various religions? You can be too open minded, you know. People have to be able to question.

[Wolffy13]

Very true. I think if everyone took a moment to get to know the other religions, maybe, just maybe, things in the world would tone down a notch. If I ever ask a question that seems offensive to anyone, I don't mean it to be. I merely want to learn. If anyone has questions for me, knock yourself out.

Believe me, ArcaneWolf, if you honestly believe that about Mormons, then you've encountered the wrong Mormons. We strongly believe in Free Agency, you know, "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make it drink".

[_wistful_]

I was raised Jewish, but like to call myself an Atheist. I've done a lot of research on different religions, but never settled on anything. I don't believe in Gaia as a deity, but as the "spirit" of the earth...rather, everything the earth is; plants, animals, etc. sort of as life itself. and while i don't worship that, i do respect it, and am trying to focus myself around it more.

[Hellcat]

I'm a dyslexic, insomniac agnostic- I lay awake all night wondering if I'm a dog :D

[Salahudeen]

I am God.Go on thinking that. I feel really really bad for you when you die. And I'm not trying to push religion on you, thats just major arrogance.

[GhostBat]

I'm not trying to push religion on you.

That's exactly what you're doing

[MorganaFang]

Go on thinking that. I feel really really bad for you when you die. And I'm not trying to push religion on you, thats just major arrogance.

PreacherMorgue: Leave fo'ul Deeemon! BE GONE!

[Teej]

I'm Unitarian Universalism. I take what I like from one religion and incorporate it into others.

[Were-E-Wolf]

Very good Sala! Let us all meet arrogance with arrogance! You can think or say you are God, which is really arrogant, and I know, being the really arrogant person I am, know that you WILL go to hell for it. You want to know what Sala, she is ALSO a moderator. As far as I know you have now insulted two moderators. Very good boy, nice way to make a name for your self. Let's insult every moderator on WW.com and then some.
Oh, before I go any further, let me apologize if someone gets mad at me for "flaming" him. I can't stand how he is acting all high and mighty. I'm not attempting to flame him, just put the boy in his place and attack his arrogance.

Back to the subject. Who are you to say LH can't think that. She lives in America (I think), she can say what ever the hell she wants. Yes it can be arrogant of a person to think that, believe me, there is some boy in one of my classes that believes himself to be always right and never wrong, he also jokes about being the renicarnate of Jesus.

You are more closed minded than you think. So close minded you will read this post and will think nothing of it. You think you ARE right. I hate to jump to concuslions, but you must be either some form of Christian. I really doubt that you are something else. You are a bible thumper too, I can tell that already.

In your profile you mention that Pagans suck. Well, how many Pagans have you met? You live in California, how is your stance on same-sex marragies? Yet wait a moment, you enjoy kicking Zionists... oh my, you don't like people that like Jews, immediate reference to not liking Jews... If no one believes me, check the boy's profile, asuming he doesn't change it so I'm wrong. Even better, I'll put it in here now.

Additional Info about Salahudeen

Biography- Pagans suck
Location- California
Interests- Kicking Zionists
Occupation- Student \

There, look boy. You are no less, if not more arrogant than others. So, I figure now that you are Christian, and are a true Christian, you follow the Bible to the very...Last... Word. You, boy. Are a BIBLE THUMPER. So to sum it up, his religon is Christian, which is what this forum is about. Not whether or not a person is or is not God. For all you know it could have been a joke. For all YOU know there may be NO God.

You are the arrogant one, not LH and not Kat. Want to know an easy way to distinguish moderators? Pay attention to the moderators list... yah know what, if you insult anyone on here again you won't hear the end of it from me. This, boy, is barely even the start! I think it is time you learned your place on both WW.com and in the world in which you live. Take this from a Athiest. Take a few days and learn how this place works before you post these sort of comments.

Yes you are allowed your own opinons, but you aren't giving you opinions, you make it sound as if you ARE right. Yeah, I'm going in circles, but so are you. Wake up now, this is your own warning. You are the reason we have wars in the world. You are the reason hate still lives in a world where it shouldn't exist. People like you are the reason why there is STILL discrimination in the world! And worst of all, it is people like you that stop others from living a life of normalcy with someone they love whether they are the opposite sex or the same sex. It is people like you that make me avoid giving to mych affection to my girlfriend (and I am a girl too) in public.

Wake up and smell the roses. You are not the only person on this planet, nor are your ideals the only ones. Pay attention to what you are doing and how it effects others. Stop thinking things against you and your beliefs are so wrong. I'll stop here, this is long enough...

Before I go, I am sorry that I got so off topic and am "arguing" with him. I learned the hard way what arguing can do to a reputaion. However, I did conclude that he is some sorta Christian, therefore, I am telling what he did not on this thread. Also, if you haven't noticed on 6 of his other posts he has been extremely arrogant, I wish merely to put him in his place on WW.com. Thank you friends for your allowing me to rant (even though it is extremely off topic and I know it should have been done in a PM, but I think everyone may want to hear the facts).

Conclusion: I will get yelled at for posting exstremely off topic, but, Sala must be Christian.

Were E. Wolf

[LV426]

I'm going to address something here since so many have leapt up to defend my right to claim I am God.

I don't have a religion that I acknowledge, I have no god or goddess that I ask to get me through rough times, I have no church affiliations, no congregation to which I belong, and I tell people who ask me what religion I am that I Am God.

The reason that I name myself God is because I am my own best god. When times get tough I ask myself for the strength to endure, I rely upon myself to find a way out, and I don't pray to some non-existant being and sit on my ass waiting for some invisible friend to help me out. I am god because I can create, I can destroy, I can love, I can hate, and I can live a life beyond any mortal concept because I am God. I do not rely upon the respect and adoration of others to get me where I need to go, I rely upon my innate powers to accomplish my goals.

I make my own miracles, and I am my own best miracle of a god by being the best god for myself that I can be. There are other gods out there, not like me for I am unique and individual in my beliefs but there are those who have found the power of being a god within themselves and they too are their own gods. They don't command masses, they don't try to preach to people and convert them over to worship them, they simply are like me, their own best god.

I believe that other gods exist but I don't believe in them. There are as many gods as there are people in the world and each person can make their own god or choose to follow another. I have never condemned someone for their beliefs, I have never sought to convert a christian,Jew, Muslim, or Hindu into believing that I am god, they already have their gods. I don't need their gods but apparently they do. I don't believe that many of the gods that are claimed exist. For instance I don't believe that the Christian or Jewish god exist in the form that they present. I believe that the Bible was a book of fiction meant to give comfort to people who couldn't understand why things are the way they are.

But I don't need the laws and rules of other gods in my life. I am perfectly capable of knowing right from wrong and no set of commandments could ever guide me. I believe that people have the right to choose their own path that best suits them as long as they don't infringe upon other people's beliefs, lives, and happiness. Sometimes there are areas of gray where sometimes a belief comes into conflict with one of my beliefs and I try to understand, and sometimes I just can't and I will tell the person that I don't believe the same things they do and that I believe what they do is wrong but I won't preach.

Now Sala it seems that you have upset some people. Amazingly enough I am not mad at you, in fact I laughed. I laughed because I come across people like you all the time. Christians and others who feel sorry for me, religious people who judge me soley on the basis of what my religion is. Zealots who think it is their whole goal to convert every single person on this earth into their reigions so everyone can be just like them. They harrass, and picket, and protest, and cajole, and preach hoping that they will have another person to add to the flock and sometimes if they can't convert they kill.

Sala, you condemned me before you even knew me. By condemning me Were-E-Wolf felt like you were condemning her, by the information in your profile you have condemned so many others on this site. I feel sad for you, because when you have to face your god on the day of your judgement, you are going to be the one that is going to get a very big and unpleasant surprise.

This is not a site for a specific religion, or a forum for a specific religion, this is a forum about diversity and the discussion of all religions. Your attacks are unwarranted, your petty accusations not neccesary, and your presence not needed. You seem to be a very unhappy and hateful person and while I feel sorry for you, if I or the other moderators see you attacking anyone personally for their religious beliefs or opinions you will be removed. I do not tolerate prejudice in any form and neither do the other moderators here.

[zodiac]

I don't like placing limitations on my beliefs by giving them a man made religious classification. I believe in God I just think he wants us to be kind to one another and be decent people. But I also believe in past lives and I think we get more than one chance to get our lives in order, in order for us to go to heaven. I'm not sure that makes any sense at all,but it's early and mybe I'll try later.

in closing...I may not believe what you believe, but I'll fight to the death to protect your right to believe it.

[somuchforsanity]

I used to consider myself an atheist who believed in the probable existence of a "god", until the other day on my ethics class where I learned about agnosticism (did I spell it right?) and discovered that it preety much sums up all that I believe in.

So yeah, call me an agnostic here. :D

[Lost_Soul]

I thought that was well stated LH.

*-*-*-*-*-*

I think I have just realized what it is that I might really believe in. I'm gonna bounce some ideas off if you guys don't mind.

Maybe our purpose in life is to love. Maybe we should just love each other for our own differences that make us so very unique.

Maybe our purpose it to learn to listen to what others have to say. Most often they have something very important to tell us. If we are to live closed up in a single narrow path we choose to follow, then how are we ever to gain more knowledge?

Maybe what happens after death is whatever you want it to be. This will most likely be a contraversial statement...oh well.

Maybe the real purpose of life can be revealed when we listen to everyone's beliefs.

These are my thoughts and I'm sure there are holes in them, but I hope they can further our understanding of our own lives.

[Were-E-Wolf]

Lost Soul, I really like that idea. Maybe the truth will be reveiled when we all learn to accept one anothers opinions. I'm listening to yah, so make that one at least
There is no right or wrong path actualy. You either chose your own desitiny or belive it is planed out for you. We can live on what ever path we chose. Though it would be nice if people will follow that fork in the road to open-mindedness instead of the easy path to closed-mindedness.
Oh, Lost Soul, have you ever seen "Princess Monokoke"? Your sig includes a line from it. "I wish to see with eyes unclouded by hate." Great line, great movie. More people need to follow that philosophy.

Were E. Wolf, peace out

[Sorrowsong]

I must say, I've seen a lot of good ideas posted on this forum. I think I'll wind up adding them into my daily pondering :).

___________________

Now with that being said, I'll proceed in starting my life story. I was raised Christian, my mom being Roman Catholic and my dad being Methodist. Their religions were slightly pushed onto my sister and I, but somehow, we managed to come out non-Christian. One day, I stepped back and studied the religion that I was raised to know and believe. The fact was, I was miserable with this religion. Even when I was little, I kicked and screamed and dug my feet into the ground whenever I was taken to church. I disagreed with all of the beliefs, and decided that the bible simply contradicted itself too much. So I left the religion and began choosing different religions.

The first one I started looking into was Wica. I stayed with it for a few years and learned a lot from it, many of those lessons involved witchcraft and the connection with Nature that many humans had lost over time. I kept those values when I drifted away from being Wiccan and turned to Satanism. I kept switching back and forth between being Wiccan and being a Satanist. I kept many values I had learned from all the religions I had experienced. Before I took a closer look at Buddhism, I had some ideas forming in my head that were very similar to Buddhist values. One of the values being that one needed to find true peace for themselves. Granted, I'm far from achieving that goal.

Then as recently as last year, I discovered that I just couldn't trust a higher being such as a god or anything like that. They might exist, they might not. Either way, I don't trust them and I don't want to worship any of them. However, as I've said before, I kept many values from the religions I've experienced. Basically, I pick and choose from what I've learned and I stick with those values, but they are not fixed, so I could change with time.

One of the things I liked to think about was what happened after death. I've read about reincarnation, heaven, hell, turning to nothing, and all those things. The one thing I found interesting was that the spirit simply leaves the body and that's it. There's no heaven or hell, but perhaps you can choose if you want to become a new life. You can float around the universe, and with one simple thought, be transported to wherever you want to go. The possibilities are endless. But a heaven could exist, and so could a hell. I've read about lifemates and soulmates, where you live to search for your lost soulmate, which is your other half. Once you've found them, there is unconditional love you two have for all eternity, even after death. You no longer need to live life because you've found what you've been searching for.

I've often wondered if perhaps, after we die, we go where we originally believe we would go. Like going to heaven or something. Maybe what's there is something the human mind could never comprehend no matter how hard it tried. :shrug: who knows. It's an interesting thing to think about.

[zodiac]

lost soul...all I have to say is AMEN! I agree one hundred percent. I think you summed up exactly what I was trying to explain...especially loving everyone nomatter what they believe. I've read about alot of different religions (believing knowledge is power) and I have never once found a religion where the "god" says love only those who share your beliefs.

[Shadow Hunter]

I Think religon is religon.

ME myself I put all parts of all the belifs I belif in and created my own religon. I think it is a great I have my own belifs and no one nows what I am talking about so I dont get procicuted

[Thought]

First of all, I believe there is a God, but I am not Christian, because that is the worship of Christ, who is said to be God's son.
How's about that, Christianity brakes the first commandment, neat huh? (and before any flame start, think about it, how many times does Jesus say that he is God and how often does he refer to God as his father? it kind of tends to lean towards the latter)

I believe that God created the universe upteen-billion years ago, designing it so it would work out the way he wanted it to, and left it to simmer. God is supposed to be all powerful and all knowing, why would he need to moniter the universe continuously to see if everythng is all right.

In regards to Jesus' birth, I'm not even going to guess how that was achieved, the possibilities are endless. However, I believe that he was meant to be the ultimate example of all humanity. What we should all strive to be, both morally and spiritually. Think about how often in history there have been people with abilities similer to his. By deifying Jesus, people have turned him from an object of admiration, into one of worship. No one strives to be like him, because it is impossible to be comparable to a god.

I don't know what religion my beliefs would fall under, but there they are. I was raised by a mother who was a semi-dedicated protestant, but i came to my beliefs after spending 3 years constantly trying to understand humanity's relationship with God and the Universe.

Incedently, I think the Bible is actually a guideline to an out-dated, and very predjudiced concept of morality. It was written by humans as a means of preventing humanity from wallowing in corruption. For the most part it is outdated, but it still was a great deal of good advice, and some of the prophesies may still come to pass.

[WhiteCrowUK]

I was just curious as to what path you follow? I myself am Wiccan. Another question is do you get percutied for your beilifs? My mom thinks I'm crazy because she is christian and I am Wiccan. How do you explain your beilifs to others? I'm just curious.

I too am a Wiccan. I found the best thing to talk about the core of the religion, and persuade them the fundamental principles were no different to Christianity (there is more similarities to me between Christianity and Paganism than differences) ...

[Killer_cowboy_couger]

My religion isn't really official or nothing but I suppose we can call it "KCC Chistianity"(Oh yea! And I got it to rhyme too!)

I used to be sort of an expiramenter with religion, I practiced Greek, Egyptian, Wicca, and all sorts of other stuff until I molded it all into one belief- that they all existed and were all almighty and powerful.

Alas the the torture chamber known as junior high hit me and I started going literally crazy. I asked for advice and someone(I don't remember who) said I should read the New Testiment. I did and thought "Maybe I'll practice this one and see where it gets me..."

A few monthes later I was very sick. I felt like I was going to die, I was laying on the couch staring up at the rocks on our fire place and asked "Am I going to die? I don't want to die like this, want to have kids and purue a career..." Etc. When out of the rocks formed Jesus, he floated over and said "My child, I wont let you die" and touched me. It was like when you pour dish soap into dirty water just the water was my body and the dirt was the pain.

Jesus faded away smiling and I felt more good than I ever have since. I felt close to god. I believe: interpret the bible yourself, have faith in god, hell is a sentence like jail(not somewhere you spend eternity), there is reincarnation(althou gh I haven't figured out quite how it works yet).

I am not cocky about other religions. one time me and a friend where walking on a very clear spring day when we said some offensive stuff about the Aztec god of rain, Quetzacoatl(sp?) and in minutes a huge blizzard formed. So although may faith is in the Christian God I believe there are some other dieties.

[Wolffy13]

So, I figure now that you are Christian, and are a true Christian, you follow the Bible to the very...Last... Word.

Two Points!!!! (By the way, I'm not flaming, just enlightening. I may have an Irish temper, but I can keep it in check :) )

First Point!: Stereotypes really suck and the implication of the quoted statement is a stereotype. I will be the first to admit (I've said it before and I'll say it again) that about 2/3 of all christians in this world are anything but christian. Apparently, they never ask themselves the question "What Would Jesus Do?", because Jesus WOULD NOT do some of the things they do. I don't like stereotypes any more than other person, I'm sure, so please think of us who do try to be civil to everyone. :)

Second Point!: If they did follow the Bible to the very last word (not just the parts that appeal to them), you might not of have had such bad experiences with christianity. I can't change this fact, but all I can do is set an example (which I hope I have done for the majority when I have talked about religion on this board). I hope maybe I can inspire you to stop and re-examine your statement.

P.S. Thought I might throw in the fact that I had nothing against gays. A really good friend of mine is gay and I absolutely adore shopping for home furnishings with him! It's soooooo much fun. Anywho.....

[Aquilan]

Religion is what you make of it. I can't really say anything except to be what you want to, live as you would, just realize how others will react and either accept it, or leave it to die. I myself am a christian, but it really doesn't relate to much. I pray, I go to church, and I believe in God, but the truth is, until I find out, I won't know. Also, yay for Zen! :p

[J.L.R.]

Religion is what you make of it. I can't really say anything except to be what you want to, live as you would, just realize how others will react and either accept it, or leave it to die. I myself am a christian, but it really doesn't relate to much. I pray, I go to church, and I believe in God, but the truth is, until I find out, I won't know. Also, yay for Zen! :p

Interesting read...

Aquilan why are you a Christian? As a Christian, I know perfectly well that our Faith has a strong relation to everything in our lives. In so, I ask this, because there is more to being a Christian than going to church, praying, and believing in God, for everybody believes in some sort of god, whether themselves or another deity.

What puzzles you?

Just out of curiousity.

[Aquilan]

Interesting read...

Aquilan why are you a Christian? As a Christian, I know perfectly well that our Faith has a strong relation to everything in our lives. In so, I ask this, because there is more to being a Christian than going to church, praying, and believing in God, for everybody believes in some sort of god, whether themselves or another deity.

What puzzles you?

Just out of curiousity.

I love those extra tough questions. :) Well... I'm gonna have to come back to you on that. I think I just started looking for a part of myself.

[J.L.R.]

I love those extra tough questions. :) Well... I'm gonna have to come back to you on that. I think I just started looking for a part of myself.

Same here... :)

That is what I am here for...well other than world domination... but that is only on this side... :)

[Ash]

I practice messianic judaism which is basically the jewish faith only believing that christ was the messiah.

[Nightwolf902]

Pentacle




I am my own God.

Worshippers welcome as are donations and sacrifices.
ASto what i am i am foremost human and falable Iam a Son of Mother/Father Goddess God ALLTHAT IS I Am Pagan and see ALL as ONE No separation but a FLOWoFONENESS BLESSED BE and LadyBAst IS a Powerful Guide I am Drawin to Her Ansd LAdy ISIS

[McKitty]

I practice messianic judaism which is basically the jewish faith only believing that christ was the messiah.

As me being a lasped Jewish-Pagan, I just have one thing to say to you .... You're Weird :)

[Ash]

As me being a lasped Jewish-Pagan, I just have one thing to say to you .... You're Weird :)
:D Thanks:D My logic runs thusly, god's chosen people were the jews. He gave them laws to live by, nurtured and protected them and sent his son to die not just for them but for all of us. Some of the jews chose to believe that christ was not the messiah. I believe that christ was the messiah but, I also believe that christianity is a bit lax, not that I'm a hate mongering war loving beat the gays to death (no offense intended) kinda girl. On the contrary my father is an athietst whom I love very much and I grew up in one of the most liberal parts of the country. Just because I think someone's actions are wrong doesn't mean I'm going to hate them or assault them :D

[Antero Vipunen]

I am an agnostic occultist. nuff said.

SiK---Antero

[zodiac]

I don't think that is nuff said...could you please elaborate a little. I know I'd appreciate it.(probably)

[Aquilan]

He doesn't believe in any religion and he believes in vampires/werewolves/aliens/werelemons...

[DarkHunter]

I'm launching my own religion tommorow. If anyone is interested, PM me.

[Xzengrim]

AAAUGH! You fools! There is no God! ...Or at any rate, what makes any of you so sure that your religion is true? If the answer is anything about the heart, you can see where I gets my problems from. What makes any of you believe? (I don't mean that in an angry way, I really mean it)

When I use logic, I believe that there is no God and no divine force in the universe. Although, if I took it merely from the heart, for some reason I'm one of those very austere medieval gothic style Christians. I'm not really sure why, but I think it's mental programming leftover from being raised by a family that was both Catholic and in the Marine Corps. Oh well.

[Ves]

When I use logic, I believe that there is no God and no divine force in the universe. Although, if I took it merely from the heart, for some reason I'm one of those very austere medieval gothic style Christians.
Belief in God doesn't stem from logic in the brain, it stems from faith in the heart.
There's no way to logically justify an all-powerful force that created everything, is everywhere at once, knows all, and potentially has a voice like James Mason (any Izzard fans in the house?).
To believe requires a leap of faith, to overcome the part of your brain that says "this can not be". It's like belief in anything supernatural, you are confronted with something that you know shouldn't happen, yet maybe it does despite what science says.

[Aquilan]

Well said.

[Xzengrim]

OMG! NO NOOOOOOOO!!! Faith is the worst thing to ever happen. It is the church's assertion that although most of what they say looks like BS, sounds like BS, behaves like BS, and to all senses and for all intents and purposes is a fairy tale, it is actually the only truth in the universe. They say it is a beautiful thing to convince yourself that what belies every observation and every rational thought is true. This is terrible! It's a complete corruption of logic and human thought, and what's worse, they paint it out as something beautiful and holy! That's awful! Self delusion is not a wonderful thing! It's a horrid thing to happen to a person.

That, and my heart does not tell me that Jesus loves me. It says "GRrrrrrrRRRrrr. Bark. Grrrrruff. >howl!<"

[Wraywolf]

Faith is what you see when you stick your head up your ass.

[Aquilan]

Then I guess you don't have yours far enough up it, do you?

[Wraywolf]

Frankly, even if God DOES exist, I’d still spit on him and laugh happily. Now, I’m not anti-Christian or anti-religion in anyway, mind you. As long as worshipers don’t bother me and assault me with pamphlets, then I won’t go to jail for manslaughter. But the big G-O-D himself now, he/she/it can pucker up its holy lips and kiss my ass. Yanking people from happy oblivion and then saying how they cannot do certain things or fry in the depths of hell? What the fuck? You didn’t even ask me if I wanted to exist! You gave me life without even wondering if I might like not existing better. Hell, come to think of it I might be grateful for your misguided charity if it wasn’t for the fact that you say I can’t do anything fun without your express approval and even then I’m supposed to not enjoy it. What kind of psycho, megalomanic entity does that to his “beloved’ creations? God’s not a loving father, he’s a sadistic child with a giant magnifying glass! And we’re the ants!

Now, I might be scared into obeying this omniasshole’s rules laid down by him and his bastard son, but lo, he never shows up to enforce the damn things! Not only that, he seems to provide piles upon piles of material to disprove his own existence, and screw that “testing our faith” bullshit! That’s like someone planting evidence at a crime scene to prove that’s he’s guilty even though he didn’t do anything. It makes just as much sense!

Like I said, I don’t care if you worship god, I hope it works out for you, but if I meet Jesus when I die, I’m going to kick him right in the nadgers! Then I’m going to go to hell, bitchslap Satan until he squeals like a bitch, and rule over all you mothertruckers because you can be damn certain that you’ll be down there with me!

Cherry blossoms and windchimes,

Wray.

[J.L.R.]

Humanity spit on Jesus once, they won't do it again...

Firstly, you are 16, how on earth do you know He doesn't exist? How does anyone. God is God, He doesn't have to prove Himself to you or anyone... Read the Book of Job.

Lets say God doesn't exist, so what...

That post by far is the most disrespectful things I have ever read on this board. It certainly doesn't help build your character, and frankly shows a lot of lack there of.

Dude or Dudet (whichever you prefer), there are a lot of things in this world that I do not like, but that doesn't give me the right to be mean or hostile to people.

Okay, I'm fine with you not liking God. If you don't believe he even exists, why are you even writing in this forum, if it insults you so much?

I am a Christian, and I have a great disagreement with you, but that is not what I am here for, and this is not the place. I didn't come here to save the heathens, and I think pretty much everyone can honestly say, that I've done a good job, other than for sticking up for what I believe, when somebody says something contrary to the Faith. I will gladly argue my beliefs, but you won't find one thread that I've started with the purpose of converting ya'll

So I expect the same from you Wray. I respect you. You respect me. You're a big boy now, and I think you can handle that.

If somebody makes you mad, private mail them, but don't waste the webspace with trash talk, especially about somebody else's faith.

[Xzengrim]

Wray, Wray, Wray! Be cool for a minute! >Grim holds Wray back from religion<

Forgive the boy, JLR. He gets excited sometimes...

Now Wray, what have I told you about bashing Jesus? If you're going to unload on the messiah, you have to say something intelligent about him first. Something proportionately intelligent to the viciousness with which you're about to attack him. Judging from what you've got here, it's going to have to be something REALLY, REALLY smart. Not a quote a Jim Carrey movie, for god's sake.

For example: >raises finger< "Is faith a matter of belief, or a self fulfilling prophecy? To what effect do the psychological effects that allow people to believe in religion, influence the exertion of that religion in itself? Does this mean that people find Jesus by faith, or find what they can and then invent the rest? It is a question asked by the greatest of minds."

Then you may say: "Jesus is a punk beeyatch! I will kick him! I laugh at his misfortune! Bwhahahahahahahaaa!! Look at his hair! He is a hippie!"

Then the people will say: >chin stroke< "I am extremely offended. ...But he poses an interesting question, and he uses words that can't be found in the TV Guide... I will excuse his flagrant blasphemy in exchange for knowledge."

Remember, first the brain, then the finger.

[LV426]

While wray wasn't exactly diplomatic in expressing his views on christianity I do understand where he is coming from. He didn't spit on Jesus either, don't put words in his fingers. He said that if god existed that he would spit on him. The thing is thta Wray has had christian doctrine shoved down his throat until he wants to puke. And I totally understand why he is angry about it. I also understand his statement about why he doesn't believe in god, because some of those are my own.

You may find it offensive JLR but how do you think people who don't believe in god feel when you sit there and tell them that they are wrong and there is a god and he is the best thing in the world.

Wray didn't attack you personally for your beliefs, and he didn't attack you at all, he simply attacked the religion itself which many people including myself have done. I just use research and better word usage.

[J.L.R.]

However Lycan, there is a BIG difference between constructive deconstruction, and just straight out flaming.

That is all Wray was doing. He using his interpretation of God to snap back at Aquilan, of whom is a Christian, is at least what I've been lead to believe.

It is also a personal attack, whether you think so or not. Jesus Christ, is as I believe, my personal Savior, and to have some 16 year old kid, bad mouth him, because he can't stand the Bible becaus it teaches against the way of life he chooses, to me is just plain stupid. It is personal, and the post was not up there to create further thinking, just to flame.

You may attack what I believe, but you are also respectful. I don't find what you say offensive, because you also carry a since of intelligence, and thus bring that into your conversations.

As far as having religion shoved down your throat. Everyone else doesn't seem to have a problem shoving their beliefs down my throat, but the diffence is, what I believe isn't defined by what people think. So honestly I don't care.

My point to Wray is, I disagree with homosexuality. What I believe, teaches firmly against it, and it gives good reasons as well, however, I would never dream of coming on to this board and just bashing him or others like him, because that is improper, and rude. Any posts of that nature is just there to breed trouble, and the results are, that, trouble.

[Wraywolf]

Homosexuality may not be a choice, there are actually a few studies saying people may be born with it, so nyah.

Secondly, sorry JLR. I do respect you, and I think you’re cool. I was a little abusive, and a bit angry, but The thing is, I stand by what I said. I mean no offense to you, or any other Christian; I just don’t like the holy icons of the Christian doctrine, and those bloody evangelists.

I looked at the gist of the bible, and saw a story that people would come up with to explain away things that needed explaining to them. A large document to comfort people of early times saying “Relax! We know exactly how the world works, so don’t worry!” A security blanket for the mind, something for people to turn to when faced with uncertainty and wavering, something they could relay on when they couldn’t rely on themselves.

Next comes the human affinity for drama. Metaphors were entered into this document, because metaphors were stylish at the time. Exaggerations of events and historical figures. An above average person who did good things and made claims could be entered into this document as a Holy Man, the Son of God.

Then the exercise of doublethink, supremacy over thought. Those who questioned “truths” were labeled blasphemers and promptly eliminated, and then some who came forward with new ideas, like Galileo, would be bringers of heresy even though what they brought were the real ways of the world. As time progressed more and more “holy facts” were disproved, so do you blame me for being so disgusted with the idea of faith, which demands that we ignore facts in favor of something which looks, sounds, and acts like fantasy, after looking back and seeing what that kind of mentality produces? It makes me sick, hearing people telling me how I really feel, and how I should be. If God needs to send his little lackeys out for me, if he doesn’t even have the balls to come up to me personally and say all these things, then I’m sorry but I don’t want to worship God anymore then I want to worship Hitler, Stalin, or any other leader of a regime that killed people for being different or unorthodox.

People have a horrible fear of uncertainty, or unknown things. Fear of the unknown is what has kept us alive during the time when sapience was still far ahead. There was a rustling in the bushes, and you gripped you’re weapon that much closer. Now we are in a time where normalcy is redefined constantly, and you stand on the edge of so many things, living in an endless land of twilight inbetween the transition from one type of awareness into an other. People grab the bible, what they know, to defend against what scares them, new things. I see human nature at work, but oddly no divine force has made an appearance. The bible is old, and has undergone many translations and interpretations, so who can confidently claim truth to such a relic?

If I die, and I end up in front of God, and he asks me if I am sorry for calling him a fantasy and for being a sinful sodomite, then I will say, No. And by the way didn’t you supposedly say to love your fellow man? And if he sends me to hell for it, then good. If he can’t handle his own creations using the brain he supposedly gave them, then I say bugger him.

I stand by what I said JLR. I’m sorry if it offends you, I am. Even though I am 16... you gotta start somewhere, don’t you?

*Cherry blossoms and windchimes*

[J.L.R.]

But you see Wray, that does not offend me. What you just said. It doesn't offend me that you don't believe what I believe. I doesn't offend me that you do not like Jesus or the Bible. It doesn't offend me that can't stand the faith all together. However, seeing remarks as to Christ being a bastard, and anything like that. Is uncalled for.

You are a bright young man, and I know that you can think of more constructive things to say than that.

You see Wray God means a lot to me. My Grandfather spent 12 1/2 years in Pakistan, where he was nearly imprisoned, where he nearly died of disease, as well had to go through war. He watched as hatred fueled riotious Pakistanies burned down the US Library, that we GAVE THEM, as well as burned our flag, because of a misunderstanding between the US and India. I nearly lost my oldest aunt, who was sick in a hospital with jondes. These horrible people were going room to room executing Americans, and if it were not for the Grace of God, my Aunt would not be here today. My Grandfather also went to the Philippenes, where he spent 23 years as a Missionary. He encountered straight out demon worshipers as well as real head hunters (I have an actual Head Hunter's Spear!!!!!). He has seen and done things more than most could ever dream of, all for the cause of Christ.
Why?

Because of the true joy Christ brings to people who don't have hope. My Grandfather is not a rich man, but he is a generous man, willing to give all he has, to those who do not have.

In fact, as of right now, my Grandfather is in India, getting a car for a young missionary, who didn't have enough money to get a car himself. Just think, my Grandfather was the son of a prostitute and a dead beat drunkard, yet God saw fit to use him.
Jesus is something very special too me and sacred, and I simply ask, that you show some respect for me and my beliefs while on this board, as I most surely would show you.

My personal view of homosexuality, and now this isn't professional by a long shot, but just by what I've seen with friends and people that I knew, or found out, in their cases, but I do understand not in all, these people lacked a dominant and loving male figure in their life to begin with. One guy's dad was an uber business man, who was never home. Another's father was a dead beat (herm, mabye he could join my freak of a father...oh wait my dad's dead...never mind). And the last guy's dad was an ex-marine, and thought hugging your son was too feminen. All of which are wrong. So I conclude my studies with this answer, as I said this is liable to be wrong, or mostly, since this is just my analysis, homosexuality stems from a desire to fill a love void, an emptiness created by the absense of affection, by one or more parties of the family. The natural human, needs two forms of love to positively grow: The gentleness and softness of the female, and the toughness and strength of the male. It is no mistake that the man and woman are vital variables in the equation of Growing Up. This creates an equilibrium and foundation for the growing youth. However, if the youth is deprived of any or both, he or she will seek other means to fill this void or emptiness, no matter the cost.

While most Christians fiercely attack this homosexual uprising, I truly fear that they are striking out at the biproduct of a much darker, far more destructive force, and thus need to wake up to the fact that we are living in a loveless world, where icons and idealogies matter more than peoples lives or their souls. While I disapprove of such a lifestyle, I do understand that a homosexual as anyone, is a human being, and wants (at the core) to be loved (non-sexual -- pure uncomprimising love) and excepted. I stand firmly against gay bashing nor any of such behaviors, because that does not solve the situation, but for the person being trivialized, makes matters worse.

As Jesus most elloquently stated:
"Ye that is without sin, cast the first stone."

Okay... er I did it again, but oh well...

[Ves]

Oh for the love of jeezy peezy, all people are equal, all the damn blood's red regardless of who you choose as a partner. Live and let live. I'm sure a loving and forgiving God isn't going to give a toss who you bed. Especially if it's not a lifestyle you chose, rather one that chose you (and therefore is in His domain).

According to a website provided by Amethyst, I apparently am a Deist, which in essence means I believe in a God, maybe even several Gods, but no specific religion. I have a sense of something out there, might be a God, might not, all I know is it's way more powerful than me or anyone else I've ever met. Nearest analogy I can come up with is I am just a candle, it is the Sun.

Still interested how followers of Egyptian gods see the afterlife. Will their hearts be weighed against the feather of Ma'at and so forth, but I posted that elsewhere already.

[LV426]

My Grandfather also went to the Philippenes, where he spent 23 years as a Missionary. He encountered straight out demon worshipers as well as real head hunters (I have an actual Head Hunter's Spear!!!!!). He has seen and done things more than most could ever dream of, all for the cause of Christ.
Why?

Because of the true joy Christ brings to people who don't have hope. My Grandfather is not a rich man, but he is a generous man, willing to give all he has, to those who do not have.

In fact, as of right now, my Grandfather is in India, getting a car for a young missionary, who didn't have enough money to get a car himself. Just think, my Grandfather was the son of a prostitute and a dead beat drunkard, yet God saw fit to use him.
Jesus is something very special too me and sacred, and I simply ask, that you show some respect for me and my beliefs while on this board, as I most surely would show you.

..

See I find this offensive. It's not good enough that you and your family are christians, you have to go to other countries to harrass people to change their beliefs, cultures, and religions all so you can feel better about yourself. If god had wanted these people to be christians then they he would have spoken to them too! He didn't, which is another good support for my "there is no god" theory. Because these people have no concept of god or christ and never knew he existed and I bet they are just fine and dandy believing in their own gods. They think they are right and they live their lives, and then some pesky christian comes along and starts shredding their religion piece by piece until they aren't sure what to believe and then end up becoming a cross of paganism and christian and more confused than ever. Sorry your grandfather and the rest of the "missionaries" need to keep their nose out of other people's business.

[Xzengrim]

I've often wondered about that. If the Christian god is the one god, the only god for the whole world, how come Christianity is centered in the Middle East? How come people in Japan, (Native) America, the Pacific Islands, and South Africa have never seen or heard of Jesus? Does got not love them? Are they not intended to be saved? Sounds like a tricky argument. In fact, I think that's something the Brits used to say in order to justify enslaving natives and putting them in to work in the mines (a figure of speech, to be sure). Brings up a real genetic superiority argument. At any rate, if God is such a universal truth, how come people have to spread the knowledge of him to the majority of the world?

[Fuzzy]

So I expect the same from you Wray. I respect you. You respect me. You're a big boy now, and I think you can handle that.
-J.L.R.

doesn't sound too respectful to me, sounds very hypocritical actually.

OH yeah, to stay on the thread. I am an agnostic, i'm going to pitch my tent in nowheresville until i see the "truth", of course ill be dead by then. It wont matter though, i will either be in hell, part of a greater consciousness(hopefu lly i'll be able to spell by then), or more likely then not, i wont exist at all.

[J.L.R.]

Fuzzy, if you read the entire post, and in fact the entire arguement, you will realize that I was referring to Wray's actual age (16), and that as a young adult, he should be able to argue his cause, with out blantant meanness towards others.

As for the other questions, if you follow the Bible, you'll understand that after man rejected God's original covenant, he began to do whatever seems good in his own eyes. In fact it was only the bloodline of Seth, that remained true believers of God. However, as time passed on, even Seth's bloodline, "The Sons of God or God Believers, fell began to enter marry with the godless and multi-god believing bloodline of Cain, hince, the sons of God came unto the sons of men, phrase.
It is often mistaken, even by scholers that this phrase refers to angelic beings or demons coming to men, however, if you compare it with other scriptures, you see that God calls those that believe and trust in Him, His children, hince the sons of God.

After several hundred years, people as a near entirety forsook the worship of God, with the exception of one man, Noah.

God destroys the first world with a Global Flood.

Noah and his family survive, and begin to repopulate the world. God sets up a new covenant with Noah.

Years later though, Nimrod, called Osiris by the Egyptians, rallied the humans to build a great temple, called Babel. This temple was to help man reach the gods.

It is during this period of time that God confounds the languages, and because the people could no longer understand each other they went their seperate ways, and divided into groups based upon their language.

When the people divided, their interpretations of God whether accurate or not, went with them, thus began the formations of different religions, as well as races. Once again, only a small sect of the human populace remained true to the One God, mainly because of the strictness in which they passed histories one from another. This is of course the Bloodline of Terah, the father of Abram, who would become Abraham.

God sets a new covenant with Abraham and his decendents. (Of whom historically existed, for those who question)Most importantly God promises Abraham a son. Sarai who would become Sarah, Abraham's wife, gets impatient and has her hand maid Hagar to sleep with Abraham. Because of this Ishmael is born. When Sarah sees that Abraham is pleased by this child, it makes her sorely jelouse, and she throws Hagar and the child out of the house. God spars the boys life, who goes on to become a great hunter, and leads a clan of great hunters, of whom become the Arabs.
Isaac, Abraham's son, is born.
God sets up the same covenant with Isaac, as well with his decendents. Isaac marries Rebecca, and they have two sons, Esau and Jacob. Esau is basically a man's man, who is very impulsive, and Jacob is rather spoiled (since both were from a rather wealthy family).
After a series of tricks, Jacob, manages to steal his brother's birthright and in fact his brother's blessing as well. (For the Hebrews, it was a custom that the father give his first born son God's blessings, passing them from generation to generation). Esau is so bitter over this that he threatens Jacob's life. Jacob runs for his life. He hides out in the wilderness, where once again, God sets up a covenant with him and his decendents. Jacob then finds a destant relative, Lamec, who has two daughters. Rachel, the younger, who is extremely attractive, and Lea, the older, who is a lot sweeter, but not half as pretty. In a series of crooked events, Jacob is tricked, swindled, into marring Lea instead of Rachel. Jacob, though, being in love with Rachel, desides to stay on, and eventually wins her hand in marraige as well. Then begins, and what I will say, one of the funnier stories of the Bible, a sex war between Lea and Rachel. Lea, both from her and her handmaid, has 9 children. Rachel has 2 of her own, and her handmaid has one. However, upon the birth of her second son, Benjermin, Rachel dies.
Okay...

As the story goes, Rachel's firstborn Joseph, because of his father's unfortunate partiality, is sold to the sadomites into Egypt. While there God is with Joseph and in fact blesses Joseph. Because of God was with Joseph, his behavior as well as his abilities impressed the Pharoah so much, that the Pharoah, placed him in second command. Joseph grew so powerful, that he was reverened as almost a God. Of the many Egyptian names he was given the most notable, as well as historical name, was Imhotep.

Joseph/ Imhotep, saves Egypt from a severe drought, and eventually brings his family to Egypt, thus fulfilling a prophesy God had given his great great great Grandfather Abraham. God sets up a covenant with Jacob, now called Isreal, and Isreal's sons become the 12 trides.

Okay, to make a 17 page essay short,
With the success of the Hebrews, the Egyptians fear eviction from their own land, and thus enslave them.
God uses Moses to deliver Israel from Egypt, sets up a new covenant with Israel as a nation. It is during this Exodus, that the original histories and laws are finally written down in permanent scroll from. Thus the first five books of the Bible.
Through a series of events and misadventures, God brings Israel to the promised land.
Also, what must be noted is, during all of this time, God also gives the people a promise of a Massiah, who would free them from bondage...
Anyway Israel breaks God's covenant, and begins to worship the gods of the other people, because unlike the God, in which they were told to worship, the other gods seemed more tangible, since they were things, or icons of things.
God gets angry with Israel, and if not for the covenant he sets up with David, has Israel almost completely destroyed. He does though give them a promise of a restoration of Isreal as a Nation, of which has been fullfilled.
Anyway Babylon conquers Israel, the Persians conquer Babylon, and Rome conquers them all...
This is by all accounts historical, whether you believe it or not.

Thus comes the birth of Christ. Christ walks on Earth, and during his life fullfills all the prophecies spoken of him before. Israel rejects him as their Massiah, not understanding that before God could save them from physical bondage, He had to save them from Spiritual bondage, that bondage of sin, seen through the lines. Jesus turns to the gentiles, of whom, accept him with open arms...for the most part.
In the end, Jesus is crucified, but before the end, he instructs his followers to go out and reach all mankind, thus the Great Commission, and tell them about Him...the Gospel...the Good News...
Christ dies/Reserrected if you will...
Pentecost, and then forms the first Churches.
Unlike most churches today, they were simple gatherings of people, where wiser elders of the Faith, basically instructed those under them, of the life of Christ, and how they as Christians were suppose to behave. During this early period of time great disputes erupt between Paul and Peter. Peter wanted the Gentile Christians to follow the more strict Jewish laws, while Paul, denounced such actions, in saying that they make the life of Christ of non-effect. This arguement goes on for some time, before finally they both come to a compremise. The gentiles would follow the jewish laws of circumcision, but that would be all. Paul, being highly educated, didn't see it important to follow such laws of the Jews, that were for the most part rediculous. Paul those sets up some important rules that the church was to follow, and such rules exist until today.
Christianity, even under horrendous persecutions by both the Jews and the Romans, booms like wildfire, but things go from bad to worse, during the reign of Nero, who sees himself as a god, and thus inflicts great evils upon the early church. It is here that John writes Revelations, with the hopes that his coded message, would keep the faith alive. It does, and as prophesied by John, Nero's reign ends in violence. Christianity hits a big mark with the reign of Constinaple (or is it Constintene...darn Constins). Constinaple becomes a Christian, and establishes Christianity as a national religion. His Christian run government, leaves a lasting impression, in which later becomes the model for the Roman Catholic Church. This of course leads to humans putting their own thinking above biblical thinking...

Anyway there you have it... in a nutshell..

[LV426]

Years later though, Nimrod, called Osiris by the Egyptians, rallied the humans to build a great temple, called Babel. This temple was to help man reach the gods.

It is during this period of time that God confounds the languages, and because the people could no longer understand each other they went their seperate ways, and divided into groups based upon their language.

When the people divided, their interpretations of God whether accurate or not, went with them, thus began the formations of different religions, as well as races. Once again, only a small sect of the human populace remained true to the One God, mainly because of the strictness in which they passed histories one from another. This is of course the Bloodline of Terah, the father of Abram, who would become Abraham.


I'd like you to pay special attention to that. Because by the division of cultures and races, the belief in god was changed due to interpretation meaning that those people that believe in a god or gods and have a religion all descended from the original belief in god they just changed their interpretation over time. Which means LEAVE PEOPLE TO THEIR OWN RELIGIONS THEY STILL BELIEVE IN GOD JUST NOT THE WAY YOU INTERPRETE GOD!!!

[blueeyes]

And that also leaves the option that your one isn't the right 'version' or the closest; in fact, it makes that less likely.

[Salahudeen]

Very good Sala! Let us all meet arrogance with arrogance! You can think or say you are God, which is really arrogant, and I know, being the really arrogant person I am, know that you WILL go to hell for it. You want to know what Sala, she is ALSO a moderator. As far as I know you have now insulted two moderators. Very good boy, nice way to make a name for your self. Let's insult every moderator on WW.com and then some.
Oh, before I go any further, let me apologize if someone gets mad at me for "flaming" him. I can't stand how he is acting all high and mighty. I'm not attempting to flame him, just put the boy in his place and attack his arrogance.

Back to the subject. Who are you to say LH can't think that. She lives in America (I think), she can say what ever the hell she wants. Yes it can be arrogant of a person to think that, believe me, there is some boy in one of my classes that believes himself to be always right and never wrong, he also jokes about being the renicarnate of Jesus.

You are more closed minded than you think. So close minded you will read this post and will think nothing of it. You think you ARE right. I hate to jump to concuslions, but you must be either some form of Christian. I really doubt that you are something else. You are a bible thumper too, I can tell that already.

In your profile you mention that Pagans suck. Well, how many Pagans have you met? You live in California, how is your stance on same-sex marragies? Yet wait a moment, you enjoy kicking Zionists... oh my, you don't like people that like Jews, immediate reference to not liking Jews... If no one believes me, check the boy's profile, asuming he doesn't change it so I'm wrong. Even better, I'll put it in here now.

Additional Info about Salahudeen

Biography- Pagans suck
Location- California
Interests- Kicking Zionists
Occupation- Student \

There, look boy. You are no less, if not more arrogant than others. So, I figure now that you are Christian, and are a true Christian, you follow the Bible to the very...Last... Word. You, boy. Are a BIBLE THUMPER. So to sum it up, his religon is Christian, which is what this forum is about. Not whether or not a person is or is not God. For all you know it could have been a joke. For all YOU know there may be NO God.

You are the arrogant one, not LH and not Kat. Want to know an easy way to distinguish moderators? Pay attention to the moderators list... yah know what, if you insult anyone on here again you won't hear the end of it from me. This, boy, is barely even the start! I think it is time you learned your place on both WW.com and in the world in which you live. Take this from a Athiest. Take a few days and learn how this place works before you post these sort of comments.

Yes you are allowed your own opinons, but you aren't giving you opinions, you make it sound as if you ARE right. Yeah, I'm going in circles, but so are you. Wake up now, this is your own warning. You are the reason we have wars in the world. You are the reason hate still lives in a world where it shouldn't exist. People like you are the reason why there is STILL discrimination in the world! And worst of all, it is people like you that stop others from living a life of normalcy with someone they love whether they are the opposite sex or the same sex. It is people like you that make me avoid giving to mych affection to my girlfriend (and I am a girl too) in public.

Wake up and smell the roses. You are not the only person on this planet, nor are your ideals the only ones. Pay attention to what you are doing and how it effects others. Stop thinking things against you and your beliefs are so wrong. I'll stop here, this is long enough...

Before I go, I am sorry that I got so off topic and am "arguing" with him. I learned the hard way what arguing can do to a reputaion. However, I did conclude that he is some sorta Christian, therefore, I am telling what he did not on this thread. Also, if you haven't noticed on 6 of his other posts he has been extremely arrogant, I wish merely to put him in his place on WW.com. Thank you friends for your allowing me to rant (even though it is extremely off topic and I know it should have been done in a PM, but I think everyone may want to hear the facts).

Conclusion: I will get yelled at for posting exstremely off topic, but, Sala must be Christian.

Were E. WolfWow! You sure did type a lot to be so wrong! I am not a Christian at all and nor do I hate Jews. Jews are much different than Zionists (http://www.jewsnotzionists. org/, http://www.jewsagainstzioni sm.com/, http://www.nkusa.org/). And if I was a "bible thumper" then you would have you would see verses all over the place.

Now, whats with me having to worry about the moderators? While I am not setting out to use foul language if my beliefs insult or bother anyone then whats the purpose of this message board. Is everyone suppose to agree? If you've noticed I don't post to much on this board because I usally post on another one called Club Hell (http://www.truthhurts.org/?referrerid=999) were the other members can rip one another and the moderators. I just thought that a place called werewolves.com (grrr grr) would be some what similar. I was unaware that this was an 'everybody agree on hot button issues' message board. In fact I really doubt that this MB is really that touchy. I think you are way to worried about reputation points. Who cares if you have -442 reputation points? I don't. Stop whining so damn much and it really comes off like you take these message boards to serious. When I do come here I come to debate and see what others have to say for all different walks of life. Why to you think that a religious person would come to a MB called werewolves.com where in the personal photos half the people have their faces painted like Marylin Manson. I want to see others views but I am going to put my views out there and if you don't like them then proof me wrong. You sound like a total suck up to the mods in that post. And as for acting high and mighty thats exactly what you did in your post. As for opinons and being right, what are you stupid? An opinion is your personal feeling of being right about something.

[kat]

Heh, actually, Sala, look at the people who care about the rep points. They don't exactly represent the entire board, or the moderators for that matter.

And way to post a load of crap. A paragraph of whining. Dude, just buck it up and post your opinions. We love to argue here, you just need to actually damn-well participate instead of complaining about the process.

[LV426]

Wow! You sure did type a lot to be so wrong! I am not a Christian at all and nor do I hate Jews. Jews are much different than Zionists (http://www.jewsnotzionists. org/, http://www.jewsagainstzioni sm.com/, http://www.nkusa.org/). And if I was a "bible thumper" then you would have you would see verses all over the place.

Now, whats with me having to worry about the moderators? While I am not setting out to use foul language if my beliefs insult or bother anyone then whats the purpose of this message board. Is everyone suppose to agree? If you've noticed I don't post to much on this board because I usally post on another one called Club Hell (http://www.truthhurts.org/?referrerid=999) were the other members can rip one another and the moderators. I just thought that a place called werewolves.com (grrr grr) would be some what similar. I was unaware that this was an 'everybody agree on hot button issues' message board. In fact I really doubt that this MB is really that touchy. I think you are way to worried about reputation points. Who cares if you have -442 reputation points? I don't. Stop whining so damn much and it really comes off like you take these message boards to serious. When I do come here I come to debate and see what others have to say for all different walks of life. Why to you think that a religious person would come to a MB called werewolves.com where in the personal photos half the people have their faces painted like Marylin Manson. I want to see others views but I am going to put my views out there and if you don't like them then proof me wrong. You sound like a total suck up to the mods in that post. And as for acting high and mighty thats exactly what you did in your post. As for opinons and being right, what are you stupid? An opinion is your personal feeling of being right about something.


While it may be acceptable to rip into people on other message boards, there will be no "ripping" here. This is a forum that inspires debate and discussion and while some people may get a bit hot headed, we generally like to keep the conversations civil. You are more than welcome to share your views and beliefs in a non-abusive manner, and you are allowed to protest the beliefs of others in a likewise non-abusive and civilized manner.

This forum is a type of community and to keep this community strong and together (somewhat) there are moderators like myself that patrol and edit and delete as neccesary to promote good topics and even better conversation and debate. If you can't contribute in a mature manner then you are welcome to leave at any time but we do not tolerate needless violent and immature verbal attacks on members or moderators.

I would also like to add that the looks and appearances of the members of ww.com does not mean that we are all mean violent people. In fact there are no werewolves here, mostly just therianthropes. And in my profile my face is not painted like Marilyn Manson, it is King Diamond who came Waaaaaaay before Manson ever hit the scene.

[Xzengrim]

Lycanthropic Howl; Give me the high-five my brutha! King Diamond rules!! Yes!!

At any rate, I'd like to remind everyone that I think we should fight as much as we feel like, as long as we're still speaking with content. BE CAREFUL not to just start flaming each other. Have a discussion and contribute something, or you'll BOTH come off like assholes.

Right! But back to the Tower of Babel discussion... this reminds me that the events in the bible become less believable the farther back in it you go. For example, many of the Old Testament stories are based on actual, factual, historical events, people, places, tribes, and historical exchanges. While I don't believe that the Bible is solemn factual truth, I DO believe that it is what happened when the people at the time tried to write down everything important to them, and THEIR INTERPRETATION of how it came to be. So many of the events and people and stories are true, but many of them are also distorted, or legends, or lies.
I find the story of Babel hard to believe. Although I have read that the true city in the story is Sumer, which was the first large civilization in Macedonia. As far as archeological evidence indicates, some disaster occured in Sumer and dispersed its people all across the globe. They took with them many of the legends that appear in what would become the old testament, which is why many cultures have similar legends. For example, just about EVERY country in the Eastern Hemisphere has a legend about an enormous flood. So I DO believe that there was a scattering place from which people fanned out, but I don't think it was god that dispersed them by changing their languages.

At any rate, what makes any of us so sure that our little wing of dispersed persons are the ones who carried religion on in it's true form? What if we're one of the ones who distorted it all? What if NOBODY got it right? There's a scary thought.

[LV426]

Lycanthropic Howl; Give me the high-five my brutha! King Diamond rules!! Yes!!

At any rate, I'd like to remind everyone that I think we should fight as much as we feel like, as long as we're still speaking with content. BE CAREFUL not to just start flaming each other. Have a discussion and contribute something, or you'll BOTH come off like assholes.

Right! But back to the Tower of Babel discussion... this reminds me that the events in the bible become less believable the farther back in it you go. For example, many of the Old Testament stories are based on actual, factual, historical events, people, places, tribes, and historical exchanges. While I don't believe that the Bible is solemn factual truth, I DO believe that it is what happened when the people at the time tried to write down everything important to them, and THEIR INTERPRETATION of how it came to be. So many of the events and people and stories are true, but many of them are also distorted, or legends, or lies.
I find the story of Babel hard to believe. Although I have read that the true city in the story is Sumer, which was the first large civilization in Macedonia. As far as archeological evidence indicates, some disaster occured in Sumer and dispersed its people all across the globe. They took with them many of the legends that appear in what would become the old testament, which is why many cultures have similar legends. For example, just about EVERY country in the Eastern Hemisphere has a legend about an enormous flood. So I DO believe that there was a scattering place from which people fanned out, but I don't think it was god that dispersed them by changing their languages.

At any rate, what makes any of us so sure that our little wing of dispersed persons are the ones who carried religion on in it's true form? What if we're one of the ones who distorted it all? What if NOBODY got it right? There's a scary thought.

Er Grim, I'm a female but I forgive you. King Diamond does Kick Ass!

Have you ever played the whisper game? Where you sit in a circle and you whisper something to the person next to you and then they pass it on and all around and the next thing you know your statement of "I really like Jim's shirt" has become " I had sex with 12 men and a donkey Friday night".

As information is passed around details can get distorted.

[Sorrowsong]

Er Grim, I'm a female but I forgive you. King Diamond does Kick Ass!

Have you ever played the whisper game? Where you sit in a circle and you whisper something to the person next to you and then they pass it on and all around and the next thing you know your statement of "I really like Jim's shirt" has become " I had sex with 12 men and a donkey Friday night".

As information is passed around details can get distorted.


That's actually a really good point. I think that's how people thought Jesus had special abilities, like walking on water and turning water into wine. Perhaps someone saw him wading in a stream or body of water and mentioned it to someone, and it all tumbled down from there.

I think that people created gods and deities because they couldn't figure out why natural disasters occurred back in those days. Someone could have been trying to explain that the village a few miles down was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when the flood happened to wipe it out. The people might have been continuously asking why until that someone got fed up and said, "Okay, okay, it was some god! That's it, some god was furious with that village, so it killed the village and all its people! NOW GO AWAY!"

Of course, these are just possibilities. I'm in no way saying that they are true.

[Were-E-Wolf]

Okay, so I owe you an appology for calling you a Christian. But this forum was suppost to tell people what religon you are and why. You did no such thing as tell people what religon you are, and you didn't even do it this time. (Don't get at me for not doing it, I told what mine "religon" was when the thread first started.)

Second. Okay, so I made a mistake. I was told that zionism was something about Jews. Blame my history book, I thought it technicalment Jews. OH well, I screwed that one over. That was misscomunication, not being wrong. I wouldn't have said it if I knew it ment other wise :(

And I do take this site seriously. We are all here to have fun and chat. It isn't very fun for people to chat with others who like to ruin all the fun now is it? Yeah, that post was in a way a suck up to the mods, but some one has to do it :-P And the rating system doesn't really matter besides the fact it shows how much people should respect you. If you have a good rating you are probably a nice person who is fun to talk with. if you have a bad rating you probably debate poorly to the point it is like you are arguing, you chalange others constantly and flame them in the prossess. It can also be used if a person make a very smart and mature comment towards a thread or make a very stupid one that has nothing to do with the thread what so ever (probably similar to this one). The mods are here to do exsactly what LH said. They also can ban people if they want, though I haven't seen them do that... yet... It's just best to respect those with a higher athority than you. That is my philosophy at least.

Not everyone agree's here Sala. We have a debate going in the thread about God, a bunch of us Athiests against some Chrsitians or what not. We like to speak our mind here. And of course religous people post here, why do you think we have a religon forum?

Your first posts came off are arrogant is all and you right away started to flame mods. You inivertantly made it look like you were a bible thumber from some of you past posts and basicaly (in my opinion) said that someone would go to hell for calling themself God. (Though there was someone around here who actualy made a username and pretended to be "God.") I just hope you post here more and maybe disspell what has been thouuht of you. We'd love to have as many inteligent people here as we can. I hope you try to do that. You may just like it here if you try such a thing. Just try to avoid ripping anyone on this site, people here get really bitch when that happens. We are both wrong on many levels, lets just leave it at that ;)

Were E. Wolf

[Were-E-Wolf]

Actualy, scientist belive that we actualy really did branch out from somewheres. From what I hear we started as a tribe in Africa some thousand years ago. Slowly, groups of humans migrated there to where they are now. How some of the groups got to where they are (like Austrila) they don't know. And we also don't know if they all spoke the same language when they first started off and it eventualy changed over time or not. Maybe we all spoke ape, then as our enviroment changed we started to give things names in more ape speech, and thoses words eventualy changed over time.
Maybe that story is right in some respects. Maybe we all did speek the same language at one point. Only it changed as we moved farther and farther away from our home. Interesting how sometimes the bible and science actualy tie into each other.

[J.L.R.]

That's actually a really good point. I think that's how people thought Jesus had special abilities, like walking on water and turning water into wine. Perhaps someone saw him wading in a stream or body of water and mentioned it to someone, and it all tumbled down from there.

I think that people created gods and deities because they couldn't figure out why natural disasters occurred back in those days. Someone could have been trying to explain that the village a few miles down was just in the wrong place at the wrong time when the flood happened to wipe it out. The people might have been continuously asking why until that someone got fed up and said, "Okay, okay, it was some god! That's it, some god was furious with that village, so it killed the village and all its people! NOW GO AWAY!"

Of course, these are just possibilities. I'm in no way saying that they are true.


Actually if you read the Bible, you'll find that the writers of the Bible knew quite a bit about the world, especially for that day in age, such concepts as the World being round, of which is mentioned in Isaiah, the hydroliphic cycle, the ozone, even gravity, can be found through out the Bible. The key though, is that all of these people praised the Creator for using such skill as to create the perfect balance that keeps are planet in motion.
The Hebrews didn't worship a god associated with seasons, times, things, but instead worshiped a God, who by all accounts was invisible to the naked eye. This of course, was a big reason the young Israelites were so easily turned to idolatry. One of the original laws of God, was for them not to make any image of Him. Because He knew, that if such images were made, that people would start worshiping the image over the one from who's image it was created!

Today, archeologists are learning that the ancient peoples practiced and did many things that we thought they could never have known about. I believe it was either the Greeks or Romans, were practicing medical Brain SURGERY!!!! With successful cases!!!

Also, as mentioned already by Were E. Wolf, you can actually trace ancestries of all people to a city of 1000 in the meditarranean. (I saw Science Special just the other day). It is quite interesting.

In truth, while people of that era lacked the equiptment to fully understand the processes that be, the Bible shows that these people realized that there was more going on, that what appeared before their eyes. It also shows that they acknowledged that such processes could not be the work of mere chance, but had a Master Planner to set things in motion.

Finally, with scientific equiptment we have today, many of the revolutionary ideals of the Bible, can only know be understood.

In the book of Isaiah, Isaiah the Prophet is allowed to glimpse into the future (Of which is scientifically plausable, believe it or not, saw it on Understanding...or was it MegaScience...anyway ). Isaiah sees a great battle in the future, and describes some very mysterious monsters plagueing people. One of these creatures, had the face of a man, but the body of a locust, its skin was like iron, and it had stingers, it also roared..........

What Isaiah could have really seen was an Apachie Helicopter! Think about his descriptions, and think about what the Apachie looks like! While this is still in theory, it does have an unearthly resemblence.

Neat stuff...

Also....

I saw a special on Pompie...particulary the town near Pompie, Hurcumaina or something. It was really really really really cool show, and they have some new method of decifering language off of charcoaled parchment! It is AWESOME!!!

I know, has absolutely nothing to do with the current subject, but I just found it fasinating. Of course the story of Pompie is exciting...as well quite misfortunate.
I love history! :D

[Fuzzy]

Today, archeologists are learning that the ancient peoples practiced and did many things that we thought they could never have known about. I believe it was either the Greeks or Romans, were practicing medical Brain SURGERY!!!! With successful cases!!!
-J.L.R.
I believe that the Aztecs beat them to the punch. The Aztecs also had a calander that was on the hour until 2015. The Aztecs also new that Sirius was a double star(a white dwarf with a blue star circling it). Yeah, the Aztecs ruled.
(side note, you may have to replace Aztec with Inca for some of these facts)

[Fascination]

Today, archeologists are learning that the ancient peoples practiced and did many things that we thought they could never have known about. I believe it was either the Greeks or Romans, were practicing medical Brain SURGERY!!!! With successful cases!!!

The Egyptians also performed things like brain surgery with success towards the end of their 'period of fame' as it were, but a) they didnt do it with the understanding of God and b) most of the doctors who performed it held the view that all thoughts and emotions sprung from the heart, and that the brain was just some exceptionally delicate padding to keep the head the right shape. :)

[Ves]

I believe that the Aztecs beat them to the punch. The Aztecs also had a calander that was on the hour until 2015. The Aztecs also new that Sirius was a double star(a white dwarf with a blue star circling it). Yeah, the Aztecs ruled.
(side note, you may have to replace Aztec with Inca for some of these facts)
Er.. the calendar was the Maya, another South American people, and it's 2012 not 2015 (December the something or other, 21st if memory serves). Then begins the "Age of Fire" and from what I can tell, we're all screwed.
It was the Dogon tribe that knew about Sirius being a binary system. Indeed we found it was a binary system partly because the Dogon knew how Sirius B is only visible every 50 years and could predict when that would be. The Dogon also believe there is a third, much smaller star there, though this might actually be a planet. The Dogon are not a South American tribe, or indeed anything American, they're African (and once again I've forgotten where in Africa they are).

[Ves]

The Egyptians also performed things like brain surgery with success towards the end of their 'period of fame' as it were, but a) they didnt do it with the understanding of God and b) most of the doctors who performed it held the view that all thoughts and emotions sprung from the heart, and that the brain was just some exceptionally delicate padding to keep the head the right shape. :)
I think you'll find it did stem from a semi religious source. Good old Imhoptep, that clever little architect, also happened to be an excellent physician, and also a high-priest.

The heart was the seat of the soul in Egyptian belief, and hence was the seat of thought and emotion. You have to wonder how many people were killed or turned into vegetables by trial-and-error brain surgery.

[Sane Inside Insanity]

I'm an atheist, which isn't a religion. This only implies that I don’t believe in a god or goddess.

I use to be into Wicca and I read about twelve books about it. I got a bit bored with it. I've never really believed in a deity or higher power. I believed in Santa Claus, heck even the tooth fairy, but not a god.

I believe in things like ghosts and somewhat in reincarnation. I'm not 100% sure about evolution; I need a wee bit more proof. I know that there are vampires and werewolves exist at least in the form of mental disorder and perhapes other forms. Supernatural/Paranormal things fascinate me. Which probably seems contradicting to my lack of religion.

I try to learn about other religions, the best to me thus far is Buddhism.

[Sane Inside Insanity]

I forgot to answer the other question :/

I do not feel persecuted, although people have told me things like: You're going to hell. Stuff like that, mostly when I was into Wicca (Oh no you read books on Wicca, you're a witch, you're going to hell!!!). I don't get that much anymore.

I can be pretty respectfull to people who are religious. I've even had pleasent convorsations with the J.W.s who come to my house every once in awhile.

The only problem I've really had with people buging me about my beliefs were Mormon elders that were visiting my sister-in-law (she's a mormon). For example: they find out I'm an athiest and ask me if I pray... apparently those two weren't the brightest bulbs in the box. Most Mormons are all right, the only people I have problems with are the people who were visiting my sister-in-law that day. She apologized to me later because of all the questions they were asking me.

My parents have always been more or less behind my religious choices. My mother is a non-practicing Lutheran; my dad was baptised Lutheran at the age of four, married a Catholic (my step mom) and now their trying to get married in a church as well, which is proving to be difficult. My dad isn't a religious person, he's still trying to figure out what he believes in.

Well, there you go.

[Salahudeen]

While it may be acceptable to rip into people on other message boards, there will be no "ripping" here. This is a forum that inspires debate and discussion and while some people may get a bit hot headed, we generally like to keep the conversations civil. You are more than welcome to share your views and beliefs in a non-abusive manner, and you are allowed to protest the beliefs of others in a likewise non-abusive and civilized manner.

This forum is a type of community and to keep this community strong and together (somewhat) there are moderators like myself that patrol and edit and delete as neccesary to promote good topics and even better conversation and debate. If you can't contribute in a mature manner then you are welcome to leave at any time but we do not tolerate needless violent and immature verbal attacks on members or moderators.

I would also like to add that the looks and appearances of the members of ww.com does not mean that we are all mean violent people. In fact there are no werewolves here, mostly just therianthropes. And in my profile my face is not painted like Marilyn Manson, it is King Diamond who came Waaaaaaay before Manson ever hit the scene.I violently attacked someone? When was this? Please tell me because I don't recall this violent attack. I do remember debating and disagreeing, but no violence (verbal of course).

[LV426]

I violently attacked someone? When was this? Please tell me because I don't recall this violent attack. I do remember debating and disagreeing, but no violence (verbal of course).

Never said you attacked anyone, I stated that there will not be that type of behavior here.

[Fuzzy]

Er.. the calendar was the Maya, another South American people, and it's 2012 not 2015 (December the something or other, 21st if memory serves). Then begins the "Age of Fire" and from what I can tell, we're all screwed.
It was the Dogon tribe that knew about Sirius being a binary system. Indeed we found it was a binary system partly because the Dogon knew how Sirius B is only visible every 50 years and could predict when that would be. The Dogon also believe there is a third, much smaller star there, though this might actually be a planet. The Dogon are not a South American tribe, or indeed anything American, they're African (and once again I've forgotten where in Africa they are).

eh, close enough.

[Louve]

Follow your heart
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I know, I know! It's corny but it's the best advice when it comes to choosing the right path for you to follow. No one can choose it for you, and those who don't like your chosen path just smile and ignore them. Ignorance is a terrible disease and it'll kill you if you let it. :)

[J.L.R.]

I'm sorry but there is more to choosing paths than following your heart. Just because you think it is right, doesn't make it right. Even thieves, murderers, junkies, and wot-knot, justify their actions, no matter how absurd you think they are. They believe they are right in their actions. Even Osama bin Laden believes he is right.
I'd say do what is right, what is healthy for your mind and your soul. Respect people for who they are, and not for what they are... basically follow the golden rules of life. Above all listen to your elders. They've lived their lives, and they know what they are talking about...most of the time.

[LycanSpectre]

But how can you tell what is right? What may seem perfectly fine and good to you may seem to be the very incarnation of evil to someone else.

[zakolus]

I was just curious as to what path you follow? I myself am Wiccan. Another question is do you get percutied for your beilifs? My mom thinks I'm crazy because she is christian and I am Wiccan. How do you explain your beilifs to others? I'm just curious.

im a druid and i tell everyone that im a christian for fear the y wont understand me. :banghead:

edited: thats is i tell all humans that :shrug:

[Louve]

To anyone who got an agressive vibe from me ...I'm really :o shocked! That wasn't my intetion at all. If anything I just was trying to state that free will to choose is a goooooooood thing that's all. I tend to passionate when it comes to letting people make their own choices and I'm really sorry i came off as hostile. Please give me a second chance to prove I'm not a stubborn jerk (to keep the description PG). :D
ok LycanthropicHowl? :beerchug: I really didn't mean to offend anyone I just get carried away in my idealism. :o :p
But hey we all have are quirks!