Fallen Angels

[MexicanJewLizard]

The story of a rebel force that defies a Deity has been a topic of great fascination for authors and poets for millennia. There are para-biblical stories about how angels defied God to sleep with mortal women and bear children. John Milton creates a vivid mythos around Satan as a tragic character. Greek poets speak of Prometheus who defied Zeus and was condemned to eternal torment in a similar fashion.

The question most people seem to have is where did the story of the watchers come from? I’ve mentioned the three passages under my descriptions of Watchers and Lucifer on my demon page, but just to put everything together, I thought I’d put the two stories together. Before doing so, let me briefly say that the question of evil has plagued theologians and philosophers for millennia. In Judeo-Christian thought, the problem was more pronounced – if God is an omnipotent being that is entirely good, how can evil exist? Why would God create a world that was not entirely ‘good’ in the first place, and even if he did create evil, why would he allow it to continue to exist? Put another way, why do the righteous suffer while the wicked prosper – issues addressed by Jeremiah and Job. The fallen angels accounts attempt to offer a mythological explanation – part of God’s subordinates sinned against him and corrupted humanity in the process.

Generally, there are 2 flavors of the fallen angels myth. The first describes a group of angels who lusted after the women of earth. They defiled themselves by mating with humans and their consorts gave birth to mean-spirited giants. God was not pleased with the rebellion and punished them for their misdeeds, but not before humanity was corrupted in the process. The other story involves the mightiest angel who, out of pride, rebelled against God during the time of Creation. This mighty angel sought to overthrow God, but he failed and was cast out of heaven to become Satan, the adversary. Then, out of contempt for mankind, he lead Adam and Even to sin. In addition to these accounts, there is another account of the satan (see my description of Satan) who directly opposed God, but was never fully explained.

As mentioned in the Watchers description, there are two potential biblical passages that refer to the first account of the fallen angel myth - Genesis 6:1-4 and Psalm 82:1, 5-7. To summarize, Gen 6 explains that the angels married women, but does not explicitly condemn this while Psalm 82 mentions that the angels sinned, but does not mention that the cause of their sin was that they married mortal women. There is no biblical evidence to support any connection between the two passages. There is only one potential passage referring to the second myth - Isaiah 14:12-15. Most scholars conjecture that this myth was derived from a lost Canaanite myth about a rebellion to overthrow El and Elyon.


References:
Bamberger, Bernard. Fallen Angels: The Soldiers of Satan's Realm. Jewish Publication Society. ISBN: 1-56618-850-X, 1952. Republished by Barnes & Noble Books in 1995.

[LV426]

This rather belongs in religion.

[MexicanJewLizard]

Whatever.

[Soul_Stryder]

I dont see the question here? Are you wondering what people think of fallen angels, and the origons of evil? From a Christian standpoint, how could evil NOT exist? I mean, God gave free will, right? whats the point in doing that and then taking away the ability to do 'wrong?' And with evil in the world, do not the good people become *stronger*, less stagnant, and simply *better*? Evil exists as a choice simply because, for good to exist, there needs to be an antithesis.
Also, on Hell, i'd heard a story (by Neil Gaiman) saying that it existed at God's will. He didnt send people there, people sent *themselves* there, in an attempt to rectify wrongs. In short, God is NOT the judge (at least by that viewpoint), but rather, each human judges himself, and only when he thinks he is fit to go to heaven does he get there.

Maybe its the information you're looking for and maybe not. Either way, i hope it helps you


Soul_Stryder

[MexicanJewLizard]

I dont see the question here?

You didn't see the question because there was no question.

[spawnofFenrir]

Without any evil there can be no good

[Qyv]

argh, :banghead: how irritating, i spent ages writing out a lengthy and inspired piece about the thoughts of god as i percieve them and as i went to post it told me the server was down :cry: , argh, all that finger ache for nothing, if i ever get that feeling of inspiration, and actually remember what i typed up last time :confused: ill post it here.

[Qyv]

Right here goes, I have finally remembered the gist of what I was going to post, yay, so here goes nothing.. the question asked by someone was why if god is so powerful why didn’t he create a perfect world, why is there evil?
I ask, wheres the challenge in that? Think on it, gods this almighty figure in the sky with all this time on his hands, he must get bored. To translate it into modern terms, why do you play a computer game, or any game? I’ll stick with the computer game analogy here. Do you play to simply walk through level after level with no difficulties jus to get to the end after wasting hours of your time so you can read a sign saying “The End” before you go to sleep? Or do you play for the challenge? The thrill of finally completing the game after numerous obstacles (and in my case many hours of frustration spent shouting profanities at the screen), surely that is the more rewarding experience. Now translate that to cosmic terms, maybe god is playing to win, to see how many souls he can collect before end game? To see how successful he can be against other forces, to take this a step further and into conspiracy theory circles, maybe he is engaged in a multiplayer game against others of his kind who are using their own planets and races, perhaps the deity with the greatest percentage of souls at the end of the game wins?
This is a bit longer than my original post but ive had more time to think on it and have thus elaborated.
Now for the obligatory disclaimer: these views are my own, I do not intend to start a cult about them nor to ridicule anybody elses beliefs so please refrain from stoning me to death, ‘tis but a theory plus there are so many alcoholic beverages I have yet to try..

[GarouX]

There's a Demon in all of us.

[COLONV]

There's a Demon in all of us.Do you have proof of that?In my opinion that is trash.

[Tiamot]

Thre's a demon in all of us?

Demon, as in, internal problems.... sure we all got 'em.

Demon, as in, nasty spiritual beings....hightly doubtful. People don't need demons to be evil on their own.

[COLONV]

Thre's a demon in all of us?

Demon, as in, internal problems.... sure we all got 'em.

Demon, as in, nasty spiritual beings....hightly doubtful. People don't need demons to be evil on their own.
Good answer.

[WahteverKittyK]

Alright, since we're addressing fallen angels, what about demons? Arent they the same thing. In Chinese mythology, cats and creatures like that were demons. And if cats are demons which makes them fallen angels, why are they so damn cute?

[MexicanJewLizard]

Alright, since we're addressing fallen angels, what about demons? Arent they the same thing. In Chinese mythology, cats and creatures like that were demons. And if cats are demons which makes them fallen angels, why are they so damn cute?


It would depend on what your beliefs are. A lot of religions believe that the fallen angels are the ones who were condemed to Hell with Satan. Others see it differently. Depends who you're talking to.

[COLONV]

Alright, since we're addressing fallen angels, what about demons? Arent they the same thing. In Chinese mythology, cats and creatures like that were demons. And if cats are demons which makes them fallen angels, why are they so damn cute?I have asked that myself if fallen angels and demons wre the same thing or separate bengs too.

[DarkHunter]

There's also a suggestion that Satan and God are in their own game.

Demons are those cute and cuddly beings of evil. Fallen Angels are angels that had a clash of ideas with <Insert Deity Here>. They could still be good and all, but they're probably not working for <insert Deity here> directly. They'll probably still be doing stuff trying to get back in good standing.

Other fallen angels might turn evil and become demons, eventually.

[Drac_elfwind]

acording to ancient Shinto beliefs, the Kami or Gods were Demons and there were no such things as "Angels". on the other end of things acording to the Judeo-christian belief fallen angels were the ones who fallowed Lucifer in the revolt against God, and in doing so became Demons. in old Celtic belief there were no "demons" they were all the Fae or Faeries good and evil. so be careful with the word demon, because some people dont believe in them or may consider them gods. I guess what im trying to say is that it depends on your belief system.

[DarkWolf]

Demon: a supernatural being.

By definition, vampires, werewolves, deities, fairies, ghosts, witches, et cetera are all demons.

The definition was always there, from when it began as Greek "daimon", to Latin "daemon" and to modern English "demon". However, when the Churches were the more powerful forces of society and they shunned all beliefs that were different than theirs they changed the definition to also include "any evil supernatural being." This is not the real definition.

So it doesn't depend on your belief system: it depends on the dictionary that most people disregard. The church was powerful only because in those times people were ignorant and that allowed the church to change things at their whim.

[MexicanJewLizard]

Demon: a supernatural being.

By definition, vampires, werewolves, deities, fairies, ghosts, witches, et cetera are all demons.

The definition was always there, from when it began as Greek "daimon", to Latin "daemon" and to modern English "demon". However, when the Churches were the more powerful forces of society and they shunned all beliefs that were different than theirs they changed the definition to also include "any evil supernatural being." This is not the real definition.

So it doesn't depend on your belief system: it depends on the dictionary that most people disregard. The church was powerful only because in those times people were ignorant and that allowed the church to change things at their whim.

Just because someone is a Christian doesn't mean that they believe everything in the Bible, am I right?

Therefore, your beliefs in other situations can vary depending on the person whom you are speaking with.

[COLONV]

I still not understand what all of are saying,it confusing me a lot. :confused: :confused: :confused:

[Drac_elfwind]

I still not understand what all of are saying,it confusing me a lot. :confused: :confused: :confused:


Ok. It works like this. the angels that rebeled against god and fallowed lucifer became what are known as fallen angels; those fallen angels were called such because they were cast or thrown out of heaven in the the pit of hell. now we commonly refer to a fallen angel as a demon. that is the correlation/connection between demon and fallen angel.

[COLONV]

Ok. It works like this. the angels that rebeled against god and fallowed lucifer became what are known as fallen angels; those fallen angels were called such because they were cast or thrown out of heaven in the the pit of hell. now we commonly refer to a fallen angel as a demon. that is the correlation/connection between demon and fallen angel.Now I understand better.

[quatricaren]

I don't know if demons and fallen angels are the same thing, but we'll all find out eventually. I'm not sure exactally where, but I pretty sure in exodus, the Bible says that one day we will rise to judge angels, so I guesse we'll find out then. By the way, Lucifer and Satan are two different beings. Lucifer is the angel of light and if he should ever fall from heaven the sun, the moon, and all the stars would fall with him. That hasn't happened yet, so unlike Satan, he's still up there. The connection came from a misread line of poetry.

[Shoggoth]

There are no demons. There is no god. There is no Satan.
That's just my opinion as an atheist.
The only demonological myths with which I am familiar are those popularized (and bastardized) by Judeo-Christianity. Those center around a revolt in heaven and the fall of Lucifer along with 1/3rd of the angels. I'm sure that, like every other Christian story, the story of the fall of the angels is probably rooted in some pre-Christian myth or in parts of several and/or unrelated pre-Christian myths.
All religions are chimerical - quilts of migrant legend gathered over centuries. That being the case, I don't believe it's technically possible to draw definite conclusions from any progenitor myth about angels or Watchers, because what we believe is source material is actually just clapped together pieces of pilfered legends from different cultures - if not complete garbage invented by superstitious, power-hungry, and rumor-mongering pre-Columbians.

[DarkWolf]

Because I'm bored and have little to add to the whole "demon/angel" thing going on. Here's a bit of info on angels and the devil as well as demons and I hope it provides insight or something:

Angel (Greek, aggelos,”messenger”) , heavenly spirit believed to be a messenger, or intermediary, between God, or the gods, and humankind. All religions are concerned with the relationship human beings have or may have with the supernatural realm. In ancient Greek religion, in Judaism and Christianity, and in Islam this relationship is thought to involve angels—divine messengers sent to humans to instruct, inform, or command them. An angel can function also as a protective guardian, as a heavenly warrior, and even as a cosmic power. Moreover, the line between a good angel and a bad angel, or demon, is sometimes unclear. Hence, angels can be broadly described as personified powers mediating between the divine and the human.

Even in its devotion to monotheism, the worship of one God, ancient Israel was able to embrace the image of a council of gods by turning all but one of them into angels who serve the one God, much as earthly courtiers serve one king. This acceptance of a belief in angels was a development made relatively easy because both lesser gods and angels could be called “sons of God”. In traditional Israelite thought, angels were assumed to have the form of human males, thus sometimes being mistaken for men.

After the period of Israel's Babylonian exile (597-538 bc), Jewish thought about angels was considerably altered and enriched. Drawing on Mesopotamian art, artists and writers began to provide wings even for the anthropomorphic angels, and an interest developed in the angels' garments, names, and relative ranks. In addition to the Mesopotamian influence, the Persian dualistic tradition added another dimension to the Jewish conception of angels by positing hostile and destructive angels who are rebellious against God. The Jewish Qumran sect, or Essenes, for example, saw the world as a battleground, the scene of a struggle between the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Wickedness, the latter an angelic power opposed to God called Belial.

Later developments in both Judaism and Christianity show a remarkable growth of angelic folklore, not least as the result of continuing the ancient practice of absorbing the gods of polytheistic religions by turning them into angels. Although belief in angels is amply attested in the Bible, many theologians nevertheless suggest that the concept was adopted by biblical writers both as a literary device to personify the divine presence and as a means of demoting the gods of polytheistic religions.

Drawing on the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, which were considered as authentic revelations preceding the final revelation of Muhammad, Islam developed its own hierarchy of angels. Many of these, such as the archangels Michael and Gabriel or Allah's throne bearers (a lion, an eagle, a bull, and a man), show their direct Judaeo-Christian inspiration. Pre-Islamic Arab religion was polytheistic, which may explain Islam's development of an angelic hierarchy.



Devil, in later Hebrew, Christian, and Islamic belief, the supreme spirit of evil, who for immeasurable time has ruled over a kingdom of evil spirits and is in constant opposition to God. The word is derived, via the ecclesiastical Latin diabolus, from the Greek diabolos, an adjective meaning ‘slanderous”, used also in ancient Greek as a noun to identify a person as a slanderer. The term was used in the Greek translation of the Bible, the Septuagint, not to refer to human beings, but rather to translate the Hebrew ha-satan (“the satan”), an expression originally used as the title of a member of the divine court who functioned as God's roving spy, gathering intelligence about human beings from his travels on Earth. Because aspects of this heavenly figure were probably drawn from experience with agents of ancient Middle Eastern royal secret services, it is not surprising that the satan should also be seen as a character who attempts to provoke punishable sedition where he finds none, thus acting as an adversary of human beings, bent on separating them from God. In all speculation about the satan, the major problem being addressed is that of the origin and nature of evil.

In later Jewish tradition, and thus also in early Christian thought, the title becomes a proper name; Satan begins to be seen as an adversary not only of human beings but also—and even primarily—of God. This development is probably a result of the influence of Persian dualistic philosophy, with its opposing powers of good (Ormazd) and evil (Ahriman). But in both Jewish and Christian systems, the dualism is always provisional or temporary, the devil being ultimately subject to God. In the writings of the Qumran sect recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the devil emerges as Belial, the Spirit of Wickedness.

In some strains of rabbinic thought, Satan is linked with the “evil impulse”, which is thus personified to some degree. This personification is a Jewish form of the widespread and ancient assumption that human beings can be subjected to malevolent forces distinct from their conscious minds. Thus, both in Judaism and in Christianity the belief is found that human beings can be “possessed” by the devil or by his subordinates, the demons.

Perhaps the core of Christian teaching about the devil is that Jesus Christ came to break the grip he and his demons have on the whole of humanity (the “possession” of some is a symptom of the general domination of all), and that in the crucifixion the devil and his henchmen, working their worst, were doomed, paradoxically, to ultimate defeat.

In the Middle Ages the devil played important roles in art and in folklore, being almost always seen as an evil, impulsive animal-human with a tail and horns, sometimes accompanied by subordinate devils. The thought that the latter could take up residence in human beings served more frequently to differentiate the possessed from the normal than to indicate something about the state of all humanity.

The complexity, mystery, and corporate nature of evil have caused some thinkers to believe that a place must be found for the devil even in modern thought. Islam, which accepted Judaism and Christianity as genuinely inspired by God, derived its concept of the devil from the same sources. Iblis, the devil, is mentioned in the Koran, in which he is the only angel to refuse to bow before Adam. Allah therefore curses him, but leaves him free to tempt the unwary, as he does in the Koranic account of the Garden of Eden.



Demon, supernatural being, spirit, or force capable of influencing human lives, usually by evil means. Demons have played a role in the traditions of most religions and also have appeared in mythology and literature. Exorcism, the practice of expelling demons that possess people or places, has been carried out by many religions, usually by a person with special authority. The study of demons is called demonology.

The belief in evil spirits and their ability to influence the lives of people dates from prehistoric times. Many early people believed that spirits occupied all elements of nature. Evil spirits or demons were the spirits of ancestors who brought harm to living people. Societies that practiced ancestor worship sought to influence the actions of both good and bad spirits (see Religion: Primitive Religions). Some ancient societies, including those in Egypt and Babylonia (now Iraq), believed that such spirits were responsible for the functions of the body and that demons caused specific illnesses.

Spirits and demonic beings became an important part of Hinduism, the religion of India. Hindu scriptures called the Vedas, composed around 1000 bc, describe a variety of evil beings, including the asuras and the panis, who harm people and work against the Hindu gods. The word demon originated from an ancient Greek term, daimon, which referred to beings whose special powers placed them between people and the gods. These beings had the ability either to improve people's lives or carry out the punishment of the gods.

Basic Christian ideas about demons originated from references to evil beings or “unclean spirits” in the Old Testament. By the Middle Ages, Christian theology had developed an elaborate hierarchy of angels, who were associated with God, and fallen angels, or demons, who were led by Satan. Satan himself was considered the original fallen angel. In most English versions of the Bible, the term demon is translated as devil, and in the New Testament, demon is identified with an evil spirit (see Angel; Devil).

Islam also developed a complex system of demons. Muslim writings describe a group of evil beings, called jinn, who cause destruction and preside over places where evil activities take place. The original jinn was called Iblis, who was cast out by Allah for refusing to worship Adam, the first man.

Demons also have become part of folklore throughout the world. Many of these demons have peculiar qualities. They include familiars such as vampires, who suck the blood of living victims. Another variety of demon, the Japanese oni, are said to bring on storms. In Scotland legendary kelpies haunt pools, waiting to drown unwary travellers. Popular belief in demons and evil spirits has steadily declined since the 1700s.

[LV426]

how can i cure my werewolf condition?


Shoot yourself with a silver bullet.

[COLONV]

Because I'm bored and have little to add to the whole "demon/angel" thing going on. Here's a bit of info on angels and the devil as well as demons and I hope it provides insight or something:

Angel (Greek, aggelos,”messenger”) , heavenly spirit believed to be a messenger, or intermediary, between God, or the gods, and humankind. All religions are concerned with the relationship human beings have or may have with the supernatural realm. In ancient Greek religion, in Judaism and Christianity, and in Islam this relationship is thought to involve angels—divine messengers sent to humans to instruct, inform, or command them. An angel can function also as a protective guardian, as a heavenly warrior, and even as a cosmic power. Moreover, the line between a good angel and a bad angel, or demon, is sometimes unclear. Hence, angels can be broadly described as personified powers mediating between the divine and the human.

Even in its devotion to monotheism, the worship of one God, ancient Israel was able to embrace the image of a council of gods by turning all but one of them into angels who serve the one God, much as earthly courtiers serve one king. This acceptance of a belief in angels was a development made relatively easy because both lesser gods and angels could be called “sons of God”. In traditional Israelite thought, angels were assumed to have the form of human males, thus sometimes being mistaken for men.

After the period of Israel's Babylonian exile (597-538 bc), Jewish thought about angels was considerably altered and enriched. Drawing on Mesopotamian art, artists and writers began to provide wings even for the anthropomorphic angels, and an interest developed in the angels' garments, names, and relative ranks. In addition to the Mesopotamian influence, the Persian dualistic tradition added another dimension to the Jewish conception of angels by positing hostile and destructive angels who are rebellious against God. The Jewish Qumran sect, or Essenes, for example, saw the world as a battleground, the scene of a struggle between the Spirit of Truth and the Spirit of Wickedness, the latter an angelic power opposed to God called Belial.

Later developments in both Judaism and Christianity show a remarkable growth of angelic folklore, not least as the result of continuing the ancient practice of absorbing the gods of polytheistic religions by turning them into angels. Although belief in angels is amply attested in the Bible, many theologians nevertheless suggest that the concept was adopted by biblical writers both as a literary device to personify the divine presence and as a means of demoting the gods of polytheistic religions.

Drawing on the traditions of Judaism and Christianity, which were considered as authentic revelations preceding the final revelation of Muhammad, Islam developed its own hierarchy of angels. Many of these, such as the archangels Michael and Gabriel or Allah's throne bearers (a lion, an eagle, a bull, and a man), show their direct Judaeo-Christian inspiration. Pre-Islamic Arab religion was polytheistic, which may explain Islam's development of an angelic hierarchy.



Devil, in later Hebrew, Christian, and Islamic belief, the supreme spirit of evil, who for immeasurable time has ruled over a kingdom of evil spirits and is in constant opposition to God. The word is derived, via the ecclesiastical Latin diabolus, from the Greek diabolos, an adjective meaning ‘slanderous”, used also in ancient Greek as a noun to identify a person as a slanderer. The term was used in the Greek translation of the Bible, the Septuagint, not to refer to human beings, but rather to translate the Hebrew ha-satan (“the satan”), an expression originally used as the title of a member of the divine court who functioned as God's roving spy, gathering intelligence about human beings from his travels on Earth. Because aspects of this heavenly figure were probably drawn from experience with agents of ancient Middle Eastern royal secret services, it is not surprising that the satan should also be seen as a character who attempts to provoke punishable sedition where he finds none, thus acting as an adversary of human beings, bent on separating them from God. In all speculation about the satan, the major problem being addressed is that of the origin and nature of evil.

In later Jewish tradition, and thus also in early Christian thought, the title becomes a proper name; Satan begins to be seen as an adversary not only of human beings but also—and even primarily—of God. This development is probably a result of the influence of Persian dualistic philosophy, with its opposing powers of good (Ormazd) and evil (Ahriman). But in both Jewish and Christian systems, the dualism is always provisional or temporary, the devil being ultimately subject to God. In the writings of the Qumran sect recorded in the Dead Sea Scrolls, the devil emerges as Belial, the Spirit of Wickedness.

In some strains of rabbinic thought, Satan is linked with the “evil impulse”, which is thus personified to some degree. This personification is a Jewish form of the widespread and ancient assumption that human beings can be subjected to malevolent forces distinct from their conscious minds. Thus, both in Judaism and in Christianity the belief is found that human beings can be “possessed” by the devil or by his subordinates, the demons.

Perhaps the core of Christian teaching about the devil is that Jesus Christ came to break the grip he and his demons have on the whole of humanity (the “possession” of some is a symptom of the general domination of all), and that in the crucifixion the devil and his henchmen, working their worst, were doomed, paradoxically, to ultimate defeat.

In the Middle Ages the devil played important roles in art and in folklore, being almost always seen as an evil, impulsive animal-human with a tail and horns, sometimes accompanied by subordinate devils. The thought that the latter could take up residence in human beings served more frequently to differentiate the possessed from the normal than to indicate something about the state of all humanity.

The complexity, mystery, and corporate nature of evil have caused some thinkers to believe that a place must be found for the devil even in modern thought. Islam, which accepted Judaism and Christianity as genuinely inspired by God, derived its concept of the devil from the same sources. Iblis, the devil, is mentioned in the Koran, in which he is the only angel to refuse to bow before Adam. Allah therefore curses him, but leaves him free to tempt the unwary, as he does in the Koranic account of the Garden of Eden.



Demon, supernatural being, spirit, or force capable of influencing human lives, usually by evil means. Demons have played a role in the traditions of most religions and also have appeared in mythology and literature. Exorcism, the practice of expelling demons that possess people or places, has been carried out by many religions, usually by a person with special authority. The study of demons is called demonology.

The belief in evil spirits and their ability to influence the lives of people dates from prehistoric times. Many early people believed that spirits occupied all elements of nature. Evil spirits or demons were the spirits of ancestors who brought harm to living people. Societies that practiced ancestor worship sought to influence the actions of both good and bad spirits (see Religion: Primitive Religions). Some ancient societies, including those in Egypt and Babylonia (now Iraq), believed that such spirits were responsible for the functions of the body and that demons caused specific illnesses.

Spirits and demonic beings became an important part of Hinduism, the religion of India. Hindu scriptures called the Vedas, composed around 1000 bc, describe a variety of evil beings, including the asuras and the panis, who harm people and work against the Hindu gods. The word demon originated from an ancient Greek term, daimon, which referred to beings whose special powers placed them between people and the gods. These beings had the ability either to improve people's lives or carry out the punishment of the gods.

Basic Christian ideas about demons originated from references to evil beings or “unclean spirits” in the Old Testament. By the Middle Ages, Christian theology had developed an elaborate hierarchy of angels, who were associated with God, and fallen angels, or demons, who were led by Satan. Satan himself was considered the original fallen angel. In most English versions of the Bible, the term demon is translated as devil, and in the New Testament, demon is identified with an evil spirit (see Angel; Devil).

Islam also developed a complex system of demons. Muslim writings describe a group of evil beings, called jinn, who cause destruction and preside over places where evil activities take place. The original jinn was called Iblis, who was cast out by Allah for refusing to worship Adam, the first man.

Demons also have become part of folklore throughout the world. Many of these demons have peculiar qualities. They include familiars such as vampires, who suck the blood of living victims. Another variety of demon, the Japanese oni, are said to bring on storms. In Scotland legendary kelpies haunt pools, waiting to drown unwary travellers. Popular belief in demons and evil spirits has steadily declined since the 1700s.good and detailed info. ;) ;) ;) ;)

[Tiamot]

*dies*

Oh the agony....

[COLONV]

*dies*

Oh the agony....hihihihihih ihihihi!! What a joker you are!!!! :D :D

[obsidian silk]

I just recently wrote a bit on this. My version is based on the same scriptures you've been looking at (BTW - good work!) and a few others ;) Anyway, if you want a 'salt-of-the-earth' perspective on 'fallen angels' as good guys who have been badly libeled and slandered, click on 'Vaudou D'Anges' (.pdf format opens with Adobe Reader, which can be downloaded for free if somehow you've missed it) on The Archive (http://www.geocities.com/obsidian_silk/archive.html) page of my website (http://www.geocities.com/obsidian_silk). If you do read it all the way through and it feels 'right' to you somehow, then it probably is ;) I think instinct and intuition can compliment research when given a chance.

Anyway, I hope you enjoy it :)
~ obsidian silk