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Eldrakyn
02-07-2004, 06:13 PM
Does anyone believe that love(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) exists? If so, has anyone found it, to their belief?

I'll give my opinion if someone else does...

GoldShadowHunt
02-07-2004, 06:29 PM
Does anyone believe that love(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) exists? If so, has anyone found it, to their belief?

I'll give my opinion if someone else does...
Ah.... and the search for profound answers begins.
Well, yes, I believe true love exists. It's astonishingly hard to come by, but it exists.
I think I've found it. Right now, I'm happy with my significant other, and one of these days, I hope marriage wanders into the picture. However, in five years, who knows whether or not the relationship I have now will have survived. The point is, I'm happy right now, and that's what matters NOW.
I think that too many people have too many perconceived notions of what love should be. In my experience, you really can't pin down love, except for the fact that when it hits you, you know it.

Ves
02-07-2004, 06:50 PM
Does anyone believe that love(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) exists? If so, has anyone found it, to their belief?

Yes I do believe in it. I'm in it right now and it's one of the most wonderful feelings in the world.

DarkWolf
02-07-2004, 07:03 PM
Yes I do believe in it. I'm in it right now and it's one of the most wonderful feelings in the world.
Same here.

(I'm in love with GoddessWolf)

Eldrakyn
02-07-2004, 07:16 PM
Does anyone believe that love(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) exists? If so, has anyone found it, to their belief?

I'll give my opinion if someone else does...

Thanks for the opinions. I don't really have my own idea of love, but I do believe what I am experiencing is true love... however, the person that I feel it towards, does not seem to feel the same way... So, most likely, I'm wrong. Quite depressing... oh well. Thank you anyway, for letting me know it may exist.

MorganaFang
02-07-2004, 07:24 PM
True love, ultimate love, love between soulmates, and the love of a child...

There are many forms of love never just one, in your life time you'll experience many different kinds of love too. Don't ever think that is definite for when it turns out it is not, you have broken your own heart.

Hellcat
02-07-2004, 08:06 PM
True love, ultimate love, love between soulmates, and the love of a child...

There are many forms of love never just one, in your life time you'll experience many different kinds of love too. Don't ever think that is definite for when it turns out it is not, you have broken your own heart.

I find it hard to believe that you can begin to define love. There are so many different types of love, all of which are true (that is they are not false). For example- I love my children. To me there is no truer love than that which forms between parent and child. I would die for my children. I have also in the past suffered from painful love. I loved a man so much that it hurt, it hurt to be away from him. I felt like I couldn't exsist without him by my side. When we were together we knew each other so deeply it was phenomenal. It was a fantastic yet painful love. We knew how each others mind worked to down to the dot. He knew what made me tick and I knew what made him tick. Unfortunately it was an illegitamate relationship, however even though we could never be together in that way, we still have a strong bond and share each others feelings. Know what the other is feeling in any given situation. Then there is the love I share with my present boyfriend. He is safe, comfortable, gebnerous and very caring, yet he lacks the excitement that I often yearn for. However I still love him, but not in the painful way I loved the man before him. I love him in the same way I love my children, but I wouldn't give my life for him as I would my children. I love the other man in a way that we know and understand each other so complete, I can't help but love him, but again I wouldn't give my life for him. I love my pets, I couldn't imagine life without them, but that is another type of love again. And my love of chocolate is superficial, yet it is something I desire without the urge to have hanky panky with it (however it does enhance ones sex life once in a while :D)

MorganaFang
02-07-2004, 08:17 PM
(however it does enhance ones sex life once in a while :D)


Ehhh maybe for you :P

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-08-2004, 03:57 PM
Love is not Lust, just getting it through to you turkeys RIGHT NOW

Rather, love is when your able to do anything for a person, and not feel any regrets, or rather you feel incomplete w/o that person

I remembered a more coherant definetion of love but right now i can't remember it >.<

MorganaFang
02-08-2004, 03:59 PM
Love is not Lust, just getting it through to you turkeys RIGHT NOW

Rather, love is when your able to do anything for a person, and not feel any regrets, or rather you feel incomplete w/o that person

I remembered a more coherant definetion of love but right now i can't remember it >.<

Love can be lust though, and don't be calling people turkeys, doodoohead!

Carnal
02-09-2004, 12:00 AM
I dont mean to sound all violent soul here but i think loves a bunch of bullshit. No offence intended to those who believe in it butyou can say you love anyone, it doesn't mean they feel the same way. Loves a sham.

MorganaFang
02-09-2004, 12:22 AM
I dont mean to sound all violent soul here but i think loves a bunch of bullshit. No offence intended to those who believe in it butyou can say you love anyone, it doesn't mean they feel the same way. Loves a sham.

It can be, but love isn't just one thing. So far I've experienced the kind of love that ultimately sucks ass and the kind of love of family and freinds. Currently I love for lust, why? Because at this stage of my life it is what drives me. Not all love is a sham and yet it can be, it depends on the people really. As with all things.:droolbloo

Xzengrim
02-09-2004, 02:18 AM
Love? Indeed, the possibility of the existance of such a force intrigues me... but I'm going to have to put that one in there with God, lycanthropy, and spirits. Wouldn't it be great if it were real? But I have not experienced such a thing in all my days, so it seems unlikely that it exists. I have seen people who claimed to be in love, but all I saw was psychosomatic button pushing, emotional dependence, and sick idealization. I do not love and have never been loved. ...Not true love, as far as I'm aware. I have a family, but I do not truly love them as much as I have grown emotionally dependent upon them, as we all do. Love seems to be an invention of societal programming, made to grease the gears of the human copulation ritual. People fall in and out of true love. That, and true love seems applicable to whoever is around in the moment. If it were really so lovely or rare, half the earth would go unattached for life.
That, and lust is a wonderful thing. It is the justification for what you call love. I think that for many of us, that is the most we can hope for. Of course, Xzengrim feels lust on a very rare basis, and love not at all. So I wouldn't know.

My conclusion for now it that there is no such thing as love. If anyone has data that refutes this, it would be wonderful to see it.

Kishi-Garou
02-09-2004, 11:39 AM
Love is an act, not a feeling..

And no, I don't mean sex. -_-

I care deeply about everyone I know.. ('cept the ones I hate.)

But I only love the few, the ones that I care most about. That's what love is, the act of caring. Not romance =P

Anyways.. That's good enough, eh Xzen?

Ronin
02-09-2004, 12:55 PM
(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) That's called "lust." :buttrock:

~Ronin

Hellcat
02-09-2004, 01:37 PM
That's called "lust." :buttrock:

~Ronin

The only truth about love is that it hurts. It doesn't matter who you love, be it friends, family or a member of the opposite (or even same) sex. Love hurts. You lose that person, you feel like your heart as been ripped out of your chest and torn apart in front of you. I have to agree love sucks. Lust has its advantages,you don't get hurt for one. I stepped out of the 'lust' faze when I got back with my boyfriend (we split up for three months so he could think seriously about how he was treating me :D). know I'm living the highlife of something i don't understand, and I kinda think I'm lounging in a luxury that I'm not sure I need. Hell, nothing good lasts for ever so I'm waiting for the explosion that will bring it to an end. Dammit I hate getting attatched to a bloke

<edit> love is for masochists</edit>

cyberphreak82
02-09-2004, 02:02 PM
The one true problem with love is that it's like fire. While you have it it's vibrant and warm and you can't concentrate on anything but that. But when it's gone, you suddenly come to the realization that everything is destroyed, and it is going to take a lot of time and hard work in order to get anything even close to the way that it is supposed to be.

Hellcat
02-09-2004, 02:21 PM
The one true problem with love is that it's like fire. While you have it it's vibrant and warm and you can't concentrate on anything but that. But when it's gone, you suddenly come to the realization that everything is destroyed, and it is going to take a lot of time and hard work in order to get anything even close to the way that it is supposed to be.


No no no, love is more like your first house warming party, full of life and laughter, and you're intoxicated. When its over your hit by the sudden silence and then it's like "look at the f**king mess, and GOD do I feel sick :D

DarkWolf
02-09-2004, 04:04 PM
Love does exist: Scientific fact.

When you first encounter somebody and start to develop a crush/deep attraction to you can feel it, can't you? These feelings are called biochemical reactions which are triggered by the release of three different types of neurotransmitters: dopamine, noradrenalin and phenylethylamine (PEA). However these neurotransmitters that are triggered by attraction to somebody will eventually decrease. Is it still love? Well yes technically, which is why they are called the "love neurotransmitters". However, if you gain a strong emotional attachment to a person it produces another hormone: oxytonin which makes you powerfully protective of that person and promotes deep caring that lasts a lifetime. This is "true love" and is the same between two life partners or a parent and child. It is the same feelings of care and love, just from different angles of attachment. Same hormone and feelings but can be as a parent or as a lover. Of course only with sexual attraction is there PEA. So oxytonin and PEA give you a long-lasting (possibly a lifetime) of a loving relationship.

However, while oxytonin is essentially permanent for as long as there is that attachment issue, PEA is not. After roughly four years this neurotransmitter disappears. However providing you still have oxytonin you can keep producing dopamine into the frontal lobe of the brain, and this in turn triggers more PEA for sextual attraction to the attachment subject (your partner).

Affairs often occur when there is PEA being triggered by something else and the oxytonin levels are lessening with the current emotional attachment. However oxytonin can still exist without PEA, so the important thing isn't the sex life, the important thing is to keep together and enjoying each other's company - take a picnic together, a day out, anything really to keep oxytonin up. Of course, sex can be important for people: during orgasm oxytonin levels increase five-fold: so a healthy sex life does help: but sex alone does not make a relationship or is actually "love".

Just because love and the effects are hormonal doesn't mean you should value it any less. I mean, you can feel happy from eating because digestion triggers seratonin an endorphin which acts as an antidepressent - but that doesn't mean you should rely on it to solve your problems. Love is still love, it being hormonal neurotiggers doesn't change that.

So when I say I love GoddessWolf: I am telling the truth emotionally, thoughtfully, and scientifically.

RQ
02-09-2004, 05:58 PM
Love lifts us up where we belong? Love is a many-splendoured thing? All you need is love? In the name of love, one night in the name of love? Don't leave me this way, I can't survive without your sweet...love?

:p:D:p

MorganaFang
02-09-2004, 06:01 PM
Love lifts us up where we belong? Love is a many-splendoured thing? All you need is love? In the name of love, one night in the name of love? Don't leave me this way, I can't survive without your sweet...love?

:p:D:p

*hurts you for your corniness*:p

DarkWolf
02-09-2004, 06:03 PM
Love lifts us up where we belong? Love is a many-splendoured thing? All you need is love? In the name of love, one night in the name of love? Don't leave me this way, I can't survive without your sweet...love?

:p:D:p
Thank you for that remarkable display of typing song titles. :rolleyes:

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-09-2004, 07:44 PM
Love can be lust though, and don't be calling people turkeys, doodoohead!

I just told you, LOVE CAN NEVER BE LUST. Love can be romantic, but it can never be lustful.

You are confusing the coincidence of Lust and Love in a relationship between a man and a woman (or of the same sex, cough)

grim, scientifically, love does not exist, because it is not an energy.

Alright turkeys, there is only one type of love, turkeys, and that is the feeling of doing anything for someone or something. Perfect example, is me. I Love my guinea pig Zoey, even though she has seen her last days. If i could bring her back by taking my own life i would. I always wanted the best for her, even though i am serverly allegtic to her fur, and the damn pine shake.

That is the love you experience through-out your whole life, there is nothing different about the way you love your pets, your spouse, or your mother, don't think anything else otherwise.

The feeling you have with a girl or guy at one moment and time, that is lust. Trust me, i know these feelings like the taste of water (or tomato, since water has no taste :drool:)
In fact, why don't you ask an old couple who has been married HAPPILY for 40 years or more. If they live happily with each other, they are doing more than co-existing. Please, before you even try to contridict this statement, go find and old couple and ask them (not your parents <_<)

............... if you can

RQ
02-09-2004, 07:47 PM
*hurts you for your corniness*:p

Corny, yes, but so clever! Now if only I weren't ripping off Moulin Rouge..

MorganaFang
02-09-2004, 09:34 PM
Corny, yes, but so clever! Now if only I weren't ripping off Moulin Rouge..

And my fling over the summer :p

Klark
02-10-2004, 05:05 AM
I have pondered over the question of love many times. I've even gone so far as to shut down emotionally, on purpose. True, love is a chemical reaction in the brain, thereby making it real. But you can physically cancel that reaction, making love a choice. But then again, you can't choose who you love, right? Love is itself a contradiction. However, to theorize on love, one must theorize on the soul. Does the soul exist? If I were to lop off my arm, would I still be me? Yes, I would be a one-arm version of me. However, if you took out my brain (No to any cannibles out there, this is not an offer) and replaced it with another, would I still be me? Nope. So, theoritically the soul must reside in the brain, and if it does so, then it too is nothing more than a chemical reaction or a electrical impulse. Having said all that......um, yeah, I think love is real. It is as real as pain, or guilt. Both of these can be controlled too. Therefore love is a form of surrendering. Surrendering oneself to a basic chemical addiction. So, pull out the white flags and wave them proudly.

MorganaFang
02-10-2004, 07:41 AM
I just told you, LOVE CAN NEVER BE LUST. Love can be romantic, but it can never be lustful.

You are confusing the coincidence of Lust and Love in a relationship between a man and a woman (or of the same sex, cough)

grim, scientifically, love does not exist, because it is not an energy.

Alright turkeys, there is only one type of love, turkeys, and that is the feeling of doing anything for someone or something. Perfect example, is me. I Love my guinea pig Zoey, even though she has seen her last days. If i could bring her back by taking my own life i would. I always wanted the best for her, even though i am serverly allegtic to her fur, and the damn pine shake.

That is the love you experience through-out your whole life, there is nothing different about the way you love your pets, your spouse, or your mother, don't think anything else otherwise.

The feeling you have with a girl or guy at one moment and time, that is lust. Trust me, i know these feelings like the taste of water (or tomato, since water has no taste :drool:)
In fact, why don't you ask an old couple who has been married HAPPILY for 40 years or more. If they live happily with each other, they are doing more than co-existing. Please, before you even try to contridict this statement, go find and old couple and ask them (not your parents <_<)

............... if you can

Don't be so quick to close your mind, yes lust can be for but a moment, but don't you love every moment of that lust? I've experienced the type of love that is in fact fact lust, but I loved all the same. I still love in fact, I sometimes miss our little romps and what not. If lust can't be a from of lust, then I don't exist.

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-10-2004, 10:57 AM
Don't be so quick to close your mind, yes lust can be for but a moment, but don't you love every moment of that lust? I've experienced the type of love that is in fact fact lust, but I loved all the same. I still love in fact, I sometimes miss our little romps and what not. If lust can't be a from of lust, then I don't exist.

Well then maybe your a figment of my imaginaion :eek:

i really should have said entities instead of people, because you can love a feeling, an object as well. You can love to be full of lust, but becareful, when you say that you say you'll do anything to feel that way. Just like i say i love the game of YGO (let's say) By that statement i would techniqually do anything to play it.

Love can never be lust though, and if you still think so, just wait a until a few months pass by when that sexual spark burns out. Lust only leads to pain. That's why... :D ABSTIENCE FOR LIFE! :D

MorganaFang
02-10-2004, 01:05 PM
Well then maybe your a figment of my imaginaion :eek:

i really should have said entities instead of people, because you can love a feeling, an object as well. You can love to be full of lust, but becareful, when you say that you say you'll do anything to feel that way. Just like i say i love the game of YGO (let's say) By that statement i would techniqually do anything to play it.

Love can never be lust though, and if you still think so, just wait a until a few months pass by when that sexual spark burns out. Lust only leads to pain. That's why... :D ABSTIENCE FOR LIFE! :D

Love has no definition but what the one feeling love feels. Don't tell me what will happen with my desires or my feelings of love. I know already, I'm not as niave as you may assume.

MoC
02-10-2004, 08:47 PM
Love is when your heart outweighs your head and your pelvis.

- MoC

LV426
02-10-2004, 08:57 PM
Does it matter?

What is seen as love one day can turn into hatred the next, can be torn to piecces and the remains of only ashes and tears lingering behind.

What so many see or believe love to be is nothing more than a faerie tale but the reality is that no one ever lives Happily Ever After.

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-11-2004, 10:53 AM
Does it matter?

What is seen as love one day can turn into hatred the next, can be torn to piecces and the remains of only ashes and tears lingering behind.

What so many see or believe love to be is nothing more than a faerie tale but the reality is that no one ever lives Happily Ever After.


That is not love <.< love can not be broken even in death or torment. If you feel the way your words describe, lycan, about something or someone, then it's not love.

And MorganaFang, i was merely reminding myself because i am VERY niave
:beerchug:

LV426
02-11-2004, 06:17 PM
That is not love <.< love can not be broken even in death or torment. If you feel the way your words describe, lycan, about something or someone, then it's not love.

And MorganaFang, i was merely reminding myself because i am VERY niave
:beerchug:
I don't feel that way about anyone, but I have felt pain from love before and sometimes it doesn't involve a person, place, or thing, it just is and is just pain.

Even love has an inherent entropy and so will decay like everything else.

MorganaFang
02-11-2004, 06:25 PM
Can't argue with Geno, hes has the rock solid definition of love. :rolleyes:

Give me a freaking break, as with all things spiritual and not love doesn't have a complete definition. One can love a person while hating them all the same. Are you going to tell me the women who "love" their abusive mates aren't really experiencing love at all? Well in their minds that is love, get over yourself and your supposedly solid definitions Geno, if you believe philosophy does constantly change then you will see that love too can not have one true definition.

Musashi
02-11-2004, 10:18 PM
Does it matter?

What is seen as love one day can turn into hatred the next, can be torn to piecces and the remains of only ashes and tears lingering behind.

What so many see or believe love to be is nothing more than a faerie tale but the reality is that no one ever lives Happily Ever After.


THANK YOU FOR SPEAKING SENSE!!!!

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-12-2004, 10:52 AM
Can't argue with Geno, hes has the rock solid definition of love. :rolleyes:

Give me a freaking break, as with all things spiritual and not love doesn't have a complete definition. One can love a person while hating them all the same. Are you going to tell me the women who "love" their abusive mates aren't really experiencing love at all? Well in their minds that is love, get over yourself and your supposedly solid definitions Geno, if you believe philosophy does constantly change then you will see that love too can not have one true definition.


That only changes from person to person :rolleyes:. Philosophy that is.

Go ahead and believe what you want, but have exprienced love, of all "types" as you people say, so i can say what i believe is true.

I am not going to push you to thinking as myself, since all people are ignorant, i'll just walk away.

However love does not die, it does not decay, it just is. It's like faith. Your not suppose to understand it, you just have it.

MorganaFang
02-12-2004, 01:17 PM
"It (love) is the great destroyer, teacher and keeper."-Jimmy Santiago Baca (my favorite poet or at least one of them)

No one can experience everything, Geno, have you ever experienced love from a woman's point of view? From a person of a different cultures?

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-13-2004, 11:37 PM
"It (love) is the great destroyer, teacher and keeper."-Jimmy Santiago Baca (my favorite poet or at least one of them)

No one can experience everything, Geno, have you ever experienced love from a woman's point of view? From a person of a different cultures?

I am not going to push you to thinking as myself

You get a quote for not listening >.< However, no one can experience from another person point of view. You’d have to be psychic, who no one is in order to not become that person and still experience it from their point of view, (floats off into poet mode) because what would be the point if we all thought the same? (snaps out)

Yes I have listened to their point of view (however from a select group of cultures, still going on about that). My point is the paraphrase points of view. In fact what I most commonly hear is the relationship between man and woman (marriage, dating, what have you) in America (or at least in New Jersey) today. Sad, only a select few people mentioned their parents

What did u think I was doing when I was gone for a month and half? jackin off? Love is a schecular theme, henceforth I HAD to learn about it, being a humanist

9/10 though, what a person feels with another sex is not love but lust. And like I said before, that's my OPINION, and it not fact unlike I have stated before

blueeyes
02-14-2004, 09:25 AM
Love, to me, is knowing someone so well that you no longer need to keep up those barriers society (and individuals) develop. Love is feeling at home when you aren't; it is when you allow yourself to live, just because of someone else. Love is when just a look can bring out a smile, you are in love when you find someone who you don't want to or have to hide from.
At least in my case, love isn't felt, some bubbling up of emotions overwhelming you. It simply happens; one day you realize that you can see yourself so close to the other person that no one else can understand you like him.

Your mileage may vary. Love certainly isn't universal, and I know I didn't describe it well; the best poets and philosophers on the subject never married, after all.

WolfBlade
02-14-2004, 02:54 PM
Love is a very enigmatic thing.
There are so many veiws. So many things that are reffered to it.
You could love someone down to the very core of your soul, but find yourself still asking 'why'.
You could love someone as you love a disease. With pity and remorse.
I have to admit that I am in the midst of a relationship that is almost non existant, but there is someone in my life that I can not live without. I can't breathe when they are around and my heart flutters when they smile. I'd give anything for just a smile.
I'm the type of person that if I would lay down my life for someone one else. Even if they were a complete stranger. Because to me, if in a situation where a choice of life is to be chosen, I'll give mine. People deserve to live on, and if I can help some one live on to learn love. To exerience true love and happiness, then I am content with death.
I am greatly afraid of love, yet I need it so much.
I am content without it, but no soul can go one happyly without it.
Unwanted love is fragile. Discard it to feircly and you could break someone. Manipulated love is even worse.
Like when you and your boyfriend have been dating for a long time, you never stop seeing each other, and you always think of them frist. Well.. eventually.. you realize your mistake. It was only lust in the end. Speaking of my own experience I was spurned. Lost a child, even used to their own advantage. How did you know? You over heard a conversation that him and his friend were having. .. you were a bet. *shakes head*
People can be very cruel with love.
It is an emotion. A word. A weapon. An excuse. A regret. A passion. Heaven.
Yes I believe in true love. and I beleive that no one should give up on trying to find it.
After all...
No wolf runs alone

This is just my opinion of the word. I am sorry if it offended anyone.

MorganaFang
02-14-2004, 08:11 PM
What did u think I was doing when I was gone for a month and half? jackin off? Love is a schecular theme, henceforth I HAD to learn about it, being a humanist

Look yes you are intitled to YOUR OPINIONS but with the way I read it, it all seemed as though your pushing this idea that love cannot be something everyone. It is my opinion love can be lust simply because I've seen it and even experienced for a little while. I don't believe all love goes on enternally, you can love a person for a portion of your life but things change, you change, they change and someone new comes along. I still love all the "partners" I've had, just not on the same level as I once did. And then there are the partners I don't love at all anymore, which weren't from my relationships founded on lust, it was a spiritual, emotion, intellectual love. We just didn't love at one point anymore or we butted heads somewhere on stupid things.

As for thinking about what you were doing. Um I never even gave you a thought till you replied to this thread. Heh.

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-14-2004, 11:13 PM
Look yes you are intitled to YOUR OPINIONS but with the way I read it, it all seemed as though your pushing this idea that love cannot be something everyone. It is my opinion love can be lust simply because I've seen it and even experienced for a little while. I don't believe all love goes on enternally, you can love a person for a portion of your life but things change, you change, they change and someone new comes along. I still love all the "partners" I've had, just not on the same level as I once did. And then there are the partners I don't love at all anymore, which weren't from my relationships founded on lust, it was a spiritual, emotion, intellectual love. We just didn't love at one point anymore or we butted heads somewhere on stupid things.

As for thinking about what you were doing. Um I never even gave you a thought till you replied to this thread. Heh.


Well i understand from where your coming from, but do you understand my context about love? I still disagree that you don't love your partners. If you say different level, then probably they aren't as important to you as some other people, heceforth not love. But then again, that's just what i think, don't give any thought to what i said.
Just let ask you a few questions then i won't bug you about this again
1) Do you have any pets? If so, if they were gone from your life, would you feel as if something was missing from it?
2) How many time have you been in unrequited "love" with someone?
3) "it all seemed as though your pushing this idea that love cannot be something everyone." Are you gonna finish that? cause that's a sentence fragment, lol
4) You said you've loved all your partners that you have met in the past. If they suddenly died, would that affect greatly? Not the one you just dumped, or the one you have, a while back
5) Is sex all you want?
6) can i have your phone number? Especially if you answer yes in question 5 :love: lol, j/k i just had to say that, lol
And i was using that analigy to explain to you that i was not being a bum since i'e been away :beerchug:


"People can be very cruel with love."

..... If you were merely a bet, it wasn't love. Love is everlasting, it is immortal, why can't anybody understand that? Does anybody have parents for christ's sake? maybe that's the problem, people just don't care enough about their parents and go off to screw around with people you don't know, whom you've just met, it makes no sense to me. How you would rather be with someone u met 10 minutes ago, and not be with someone you've know ur whole life? maybe this is why you people do not understand my point of view.

So here's what you do.
1) Set aside a day where you and ur family can spend some times togethor

2) Talk, interact, do stuff

3) Pay attentiuon and learn, you never know you might understand my point of view

And one more comment.
Blue Eyes, even though the best poets and philosphers nevered married, they most undoubtly exprienced love. They got family and friends right? And i mean take good old Poe for example of what most people would think when you say the word "Love". It's a shame his love succumed to an illness.

MorganaFang
02-14-2004, 11:44 PM
1) Do you have any pets? If so, if they were gone from your life, would you feel as if something was missing from it?
Um theres a silly question, I've had quite a few pets in my life, not exactly living with me or what you would consider even animal (tree). All but one have passed from my life and yes I have felt something missing that is definitely for sure, the loss of my cat went hand in hand with the loss of my childhood to this day I still think fondly of her despite the scar left eternally under my eye. But with love there also comes an understanding, when one passes sure, I felt sad and yes something was missing. An exprienced and new found knowledge on life was found. Loving memories of all my gone pets make me stronger.


2) How many time have you been in unrequited "love" with someone?
I wouldn't really know, I can't crawl into a person's head and see how they feel. I can make assumptions that at a time they did love me or still do. Like I said that is a hard one to answer considering my failures as of last year in the feild of love.


3) "it all seemed as though your pushing this idea that love cannot be something everyone." Are you gonna finish that? cause that's a sentence fragment, lol
Eh... Sorry, I blank out while I'm writing (something shiney catches my attention and my mind is gone) What I was trying to say was that what I felt you were expressing was that love cannot be what anyone person thinks it is. Or something along those lines (I saw something shiney just now). Um anyway I've always personally believed we as conscious being can mold our own universe of perception. That words really don't hold any meaning outside our selves and with love being one of those word, I really like to think that most people can have their own definitions of that and not hold it as the absolute definition for all of us.


4) You said you've loved all your partners that you have met in the past. If they suddenly died, would that affect greatly? Not the one you just dumped, or the one you have, a while back
Another sort of bizarre question in the fact I have lost a guy I loved very much to suicide and almost lost my exgirl in a car accident recently. The guy that commited suicide took place at a time was too immature to really understand love and lust, but I knew somehow I did love him.(I'm not going to go into that any deeper if you don't mind)
As for my exgirlfriend, heh, yes it would have torn my soul in two if I would have lost her. She is a reason I am who I am today. And even though it has been about a year since we were involved I still love her (and I was the one that told her "we" were really going nowhere). If she had died...heh... I mean even just hearing the news she was in the hospital put me through a heart attack. So of course I would be affected greatly.

5) Is sex all you want?
Meh.... Sex is overrated, foreplay is fun, but seriously I'm more into... Uh taking a break and figuring things out right now.

WolfBlade
02-15-2004, 01:05 AM
"People can be very cruel with love."

..... If you were merely a bet, it wasn't love. Love is everlasting, it is immortal, why can't anybody understand that? Does anybody have parents for christ's sake? maybe that's the problem, people just don't care enough about their parents and go off to screw around with people you don't know, whom you've just met, it makes no sense to me. How you would rather be with someone u met 10 minutes ago, and not be with someone you've know ur whole life? maybe this is why you people do not understand my point of view. " -Nightmare GenoReaver




I understand completely that love is eternal. I was just using a personal experience as a point of lust is often illusioned as love. I know I am IN LOVE with someone. Someone who is the world to me. I love him unconditionally.

cyberphreak82
02-17-2004, 03:23 PM
The problem with this thread is that "love" is not something that can be taken apart, analyzed, and diagnosed scientifically like the flu. It is an emotion, and emotions are illogical and evanescent. It is impossible to simply dissect something as ephemeral as emotion. Yes, it exists. It is exhilarating and beautiful and everything that anything fantastic should be. Its absence is also the lowest one can possibly feel, next to that single moment before a soul is severed from its body forever. It is emptiness at its most primal and bitter state.

MorganaFang
02-17-2004, 03:30 PM
The problem with this thread is that "love" is not something that can be taken apart, analyzed, and diagnosed scientifically like the flu. It is an emotion, and emotions are illogical and evanescent. It is impossible to simply dissect something as ephemeral as emotion. Yes, it exists. It is exhilarating and beautiful and everything that anything fantastic should be. Its absence is also the lowest one can possibly feel, next to that single moment before a soul is severed from its body forever. It is emptiness at its most primal and bitter state.

And yet sometimes people need to analyze it, to know why they don't understand. That may be sick to some people but for those who can find the right answers it can be a great relief.

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-18-2004, 05:29 PM
And yet sometimes people need to analyze it, to know why they don't understand. That may be sick to some people but for those who can find the right answers it can be a great relief.


Thank you for proving me right Morgana. And at leeast you've proven to me that your not a giver of bodies (cough/\/\|_|2|-|cough)

Love will forever be everlasting, this force cna not be broken through the damaging of our vessels

Believe what you want, but believe in vain, as you will never find the true meaning to love as i have explained it to you all, and live to learn it all too late :cry:

That's all i have to say, keep posting, just stae ur opinion

MorganaFang
02-18-2004, 06:24 PM
Thank you for proving me right Morgana. And at leeast you've proven to me that your not a giver of bodies (cough/\/\|_|2|-|cough)

Love will forever be everlasting, this force cna not be broken through the damaging of our vessels

Believe what you want, but believe in vain, as you will never find the true meaning to love as i have explained it to you all, and live to learn it all too late :cry:

That's all i have to say, keep posting, just stae ur opinion
Giver to 2 bodies in my whole life, yeah, big luster there...

If you wish not to offend next time by allowing someone else to have "Their opinion" I recommend you don't say "in vain" and as it goes theres is no TRUE meaning of love. There is no truth, there is love, there is knowing love, but there is no absolute definition of love. (/opinion)

And I don't see myself as proving you right, with the way of perception, you are only seeing me say things that agree with what you say. I don't... and I don't appreciate this post at all. You don't open you mind and there are very belittling undertones to it. My perception, my opinion and you won't live in fucking vain if you don't except that.

Nightmare GenoReaper
02-19-2004, 10:59 AM
Giver to 2 bodies in my whole life, yeah, big luster there...

If you wish not to offend next time by allowing someone else to have "Their opinion" I recommend you don't say "in vain" and as it goes theres is no TRUE meaning of love. There is no truth, there is love, there is knowing love, but there is no absolute definition of love. (/opinion)

And I don't see myself as proving you right, with the way of perception, you are only seeing me say things that agree with what you say. I don't... and I don't appreciate this post at all. You don't open you mind and there are very belittling undertones to it. My perception, my opinion and you won't live in fucking vain if you don't except that.


There is a line between being ignorant, and teaching the correct way, Morgana. Many people blur those two words togethor. Upon my studies, i am teaching the correct way. Call me ignorant if you will, but no one's life is in vain, because everybody has a purpose to life.

And what i said before was a joke. People are way too serious at this site, you need to loosen up a bit
:beerchug:

MorganaFang
02-19-2004, 03:03 PM
There is a line between being ignorant, and teaching the correct way, Morgana. Many people blur those two words togethor. Upon my studies, i am teaching the correct way. Call me ignorant if you will, but no one's life is in vain, because everybody has a purpose to life.

And what i said before was a joke. People are way too serious at this site, you need to loosen up a bit
:beerchug:
Ummmmm.... Geno, there really wasn't a way for me to tell if that was a joke, and damn it that isn't teaching that is preaching. I may need to loosen up to you, but I have to say the fact that you are so inconstant bothers me. One minute you're serious, the next making a "joke". Normally I get along with those types, but what I'm picking up from your online personality is only a headache.

Why didn't you just let a person have their opinion in the first place instead of "teaching". Which there is no thin line, only if your christain there is:rolleyes:. Ignorance is being unaware, and even at times unwilling to open up your mind. Teaching and preaching have the so called thin line, because both are meant to inspire new ideas, but preaching is also to enforce.

daughtersere
02-21-2004, 09:55 PM
I have never known love, true love or false love. Yet it seems that my entire life has been a search for love. Everyone yearns to be loved. They can deny it but it's true. Wolves are pack animals and humans despite themeselves are pack animals to.
I have always had a fantasy of a prince coming to my rescue and then we would ride off into the sunset, so to speak. I belive that true love does exist. The world would be to depressing to bear if there was no love in it. My prince may only exist in my imagination but that doesn't mean he is any less real to me.The heart calls out for companionship and the soul forever seeks its soul mate.

I may seem childish or naive, but that doesn't mean anything to me. If you doubt love exist think of this: Would you really want to love in a world where love dosen't exist?
:love:

Metalhead13
02-24-2004, 03:15 AM
Jesus people, why would you even try to attempt to answer this question ? i mean sure its great you tried, but effectively none of you have 100% proof of your theories (excluding the scientific view involving the hormones, but that really just describes how love happens) you could sit there all day and blabber on about it but youd be where you are now, no further ahead than when you started,yes it was great to hear (read) all these opinions, but the question of love is as difficult as the big ?why? question. well, that said and done, my opinion of love ??? no point, really, we will all die one day. i see it as a big waste of time in searching for love or hoping against hope that it will come to me, if it does, it would more likely than not, slow my life down (people sacrifice to much just for love) course im just 15 what would i know?

why waste our time with it, we have lives to live, i seriously hope that one day this world will be a much different place. well effectively i have done nothing but state that which has already been stated and yes i am a pessimist

Ves
02-24-2004, 03:28 AM
why waste our time with it, we have lives to live
Because when it finds you, it is one of the greatest things in this world.
Sure it'll make you do things you'd never have considered doing otherwise, but you'll do it with a big dopey grin on your face. It can make you think to the future, it can even have you wondering about where you'll be when you leave this world.

By the sound of it you aren't searching for love, but I hope you won't think it amiss if I hope that it finds you. It'll make you fly.

Metalhead13
02-25-2004, 01:36 AM
well the reason i aint searching is cause im in my teenage years and i have enough problems as it is, what with schooling, ohhh did anyone notice that for most of the world we live in a friggin routine that happens through each decade...........man that is gay shit

LV426
03-22-2004, 11:58 PM
well the reason i aint searching is cause im in my teenage years and i have enough problems as it is, what with schooling, ohhh did anyone notice that for most of the world we live in a friggin routine that happens through each decade...........man that is gay shit
Could you refrain from using the word gay in a derogatory fashion? Thanks.

Metalhead13
03-23-2004, 03:42 AM
Could you refrain from using the word gay in a derogatory fashion? Thanks.

why ??? gay is just a word, it only offends you if you let it

MorganaFang
03-27-2004, 11:23 PM
why ??? gay is just a word, it only offends you if you let it
Just respect others wishes, if you want to be seen to have mature ideas then use a more mature language. Using "gay" will always offend someone, so just get over yourself.

Overlord Lycan
03-27-2004, 11:44 PM
Love can be lust if you think about it, some might say that all love is, is a chemical reation caused attraction to another,like a cute boy or a hot girl, the farimones given off by the oposing sex drives the other into the other, primal urges, so you could say that love is lust in itself,

But me, i would have to say that true love, like love for family, a child, or even a cute puppy, might be more than that, more of a feeling from deeper within, like maybe your soul or somethin, hey i dont know but i could be wrong

Klark
03-28-2004, 09:03 AM
Love can be lust if you think about it, some might say that all love is, is a chemical reation caused attraction to another,like a cute boy or a hot girl, the farimones given off by the oposing sex drives the other into the other, primal urges, so you could say that love is lust in itself,

But me, i would have to say that true love, like love for family, a child, or even a cute puppy, might be more than that, more of a feeling from deeper within, like maybe your soul or somethin, hey i dont know but i could be wrong

reaction*, by^, pheromones*, opposing*, something*

I'm on a spelling rampage today, I don't know why, just am.

Anyway, I don't really think that the pheromones of any sex qualifies as a part of love, same as the sex drives. They are but only one reason (in a list of others) for lust. I've known a lot of people to 'lust' someone and not because of sexual reasons. Pheromones tend to be an instant attraction, but as soon as they wear off, unless you've got something of interest to whomever you attracted, so does the attraction.

Lust, I believe IMO, can turn into love, but lust itself is what it is, lust. Hence it has it's own name. There is probably a middle ground where you enter lusty love, so it can be seen as a type of love, even if it's a passing love.

Love is a deep sense of commitment, whether you are talking bf/gf, husband/wife, mother/son, father/son so on and so forth. In lust, there is no such feeling of commitment. Lust tends to lean more toward that whole primal urges thing, whether it be sex drive or intellect or anything else. I do believe that lust might be able to lead you to love, like a doorway or a stepping stone. Therefore, lust can be a part of love, but it is not love itself and vice versa.

*has voiced his opinions and now stuffs them back in his box*

Rlib
04-02-2004, 02:09 PM
Could you say that love is selflessness? Or to put it another way, could there ever be selfish love?

MorganaFang
04-02-2004, 02:26 PM
Could you say that love is selflessness? Or to put it another way, could there ever be selfish love?
Of course there can be I don't know in how many terms. The desire to possess and be possessed appear to me as forms as selfish love heh.

Klark
04-03-2004, 03:20 PM
Of course there can be I don't know in how many terms. The desire to possess and be possessed appear to me as forms as selfish love heh.

Isn't all love selfish? One usually must teach themselves, through time and experience, to be able to let go. To be able to share with the world the one that they love. To quote the old saying

If you have a love, set it free. If it comes back, it was meant to be.

If you hold on to something that you love too tightly, it's like soap, it'll slip right out your hands. You'll end up actually pushing them away instead of pulling them closer. One usually teaches themselves, or has the help of others, to be able to let go. To allow them to go out and enjoy themselves. You miss someone because you wish they were there with you, not somewhere without you. You want for them to be there, you miss them. It's selfish. I think all love is selfish, but I also think that it's the one area where it's ok to be selfish. There is a limit to that selfishness.

Is love selflessness? Yes to that too. You give away apart of your self to your loved one. You give that part freely, with the hopes that your loved one gives you a part of themselves to fill the void. It takes two to tango and it takes two to love. Love is a lot like yin and yang. Without the selflessness of giving, you don't have the selfishness of taking and vice versa.

This is how I see it. "I give to you my heart and in return I take unto myself your heart to make me whole again." If one doesn't give, there is nothing for the other to take. They go hand in hand, side by side.

There's my two cents...shiny pennies. :D

Rainstorm
04-03-2004, 06:47 PM
I find it hard to believe that you can begin to define love. There are so many different types of love, all of which are true (that is they are not false). For example- I love my children. To me there is no truer love than that which forms between parent and child. I would die for my children. I have also in the past suffered from painful love. I loved a man so much that it hurt, it hurt to be away from him. I felt like I couldn't exsist without him by my side. When we were together we knew each other so deeply it was phenomenal. It was a fantastic yet painful love. We knew how each others mind worked to down to the dot. He knew what made me tick and I knew what made him tick. Unfortunately it was an illegitamate relationship, however even though we could never be together in that way, we still have a strong bond and share each others feelings. Know what the other is feeling in any given situation. Then there is the love I share with my present boyfriend. He is safe, comfortable, gebnerous and very caring, yet he lacks the excitement that I often yearn for. However I still love him, but not in the painful way I loved the man before him. I love him in the same way I love my children, but I wouldn't give my life for him as I would my children. I love the other man in a way that we know and understand each other so complete, I can't help but love him, but again I wouldn't give my life for him. I love my pets, I couldn't imagine life without them, but that is another type of love again. And my love of chocolate is superficial, yet it is something I desire without the urge to have hanky panky with it (however it does enhance ones sex life once in a while :D)

I see so much of myself in that, that it hurts. I could have sworn you were pulling that experience right out of my soul. But I too agree, many many forms of love.

Wolfgirl18
04-03-2004, 07:51 PM
::Sigh:: Love can be a nusicance, it leads to all kinds of sinful acts such as lying, decieving, and sometimes they get too overly soncerned with them. I see couples "in love" and yet they end it in less than a week or marriage to bond together in life. Love is just a word to me, never had it. Family and friends yes but ah such light can be faded quitely. Plus having to inherited depression can really put it on the edge. Yes i agree there are many kinds of love;
crush/love
physhcial atrraction/love
lust/love
etc.

MorganaFang
04-03-2004, 07:55 PM
::Sigh:: Love can be a nusicance, it leads to all kinds of sinful acts such as lying, decieving, and sometimes they get too overly soncerned with them. I see couples "in love" and yet they end it in less than a week or marriage to bond together in life. Love is just a word to me, never had it. Family and friends yes but ah such light can be faded quitely. Plus having to inherited depression can really put it on the edge. Yes i agree there are many kinds of love;
crush/love
physhcial atrraction/love
lust/love
etc.The sinful acts are lust oriented, hense it being one of the 7 deadly sins. In my eyes if one truly loves a person, they will not decieve and they will not lie but yes it can lead to possessiveness. I'm the queen when it comes to jealousy.

Necro Mortis
04-03-2004, 08:13 PM
Love can mean different things for everyone. For some it is a very strong word with a lot of meaning attached to it. For others it is just a throw-away comment that they can use to show how much they like something.
As for me I think its a bit of both. I do say I love things all the time but I probably because I like them a lot. If I say I love somone however I mean it.
Love can be a very dangerous thing, my advice is, Proceed With Caution

Klark
04-04-2004, 09:23 AM
Love can be a very dangerous thing, my advice is, Proceed With Caution

Tis better to have loved and lost than to never have loved at all.

You may look at this before falling in love and not think anything about it. Then you get your heart broken and you read it and flick it off because you hurt so bad that you wished you had never loved. Then when time has passed and you see it again, you'll look down that road and you'll see that you've learned a great deal from having experienced that love and even for having experienced the heart break. I had my heart broken a few years ago, broken badly, but I look back over everything and I realize that I learned and benefitted from it and that it's given me the ability to be a better person in a relationship than what I might have been.

Some people will paddle the river of love carefully while others may just jump in feet first and ride the rapids, but in the end, we all reach the same destination. We all look back and see where we made mistakes, where we excelled and then we simply paddle on.

Rlib
04-04-2004, 09:25 AM
I wonder if the nature of love stems from the nature of ourselves - and one of the things that most defines the nature of mortals is mortality. One is born, one dies, and there is a limited amount of time in between. Therefore the decision as to what is done with this time is most important.

Perhaps one feature of love is that one is prepared to devote time to it. However this is not unique to love. One can devote time to one's work and one's play. Maybe when one devotes effort as well as time - when one tries to do their best in an endeavour - that is love. So people can love their work. Better than not enjoying it...

The only problem with this idea is that hate is also a devotion of time and effort. Which shows that hate is more than just the 'opposite' of love - where love is a desire to spend time and effort to someone's benefit, hate is the desire to likewise spend time and effort towards their hurt. The same is possibly true of other strong emotions...

Maybe it also has to do with another part of our nature - selfishness. Love is neither entirely selfish nor selfless, but it could be seen as changing the definition of self from considering only yourself to considering your and your partner's self as one. Again there is the idea of time - if you truly consider another person part of your 'self' you will not abandon them after the lust has worn off. True love should last the lifetime of this combined 'self' - 'till death do us part'.

Does anyone here actually think that a simple definition can encapsulate love though? I suppose at least some ideas are better than none...

Klark
04-04-2004, 09:53 AM
Does anyone here actually think that a simple definition can encapsulate love though? I suppose at least some ideas are better than none...

I don't believe there can be a simple definition of love. Poets, writers, photographers, painters have all tried to capture love and it's definition. I believe that the definition of love lies within the definition of ourselves. We are each unique individuals, therefore, each of our definitions of love will vary. We may agree on some things, we may not on some others. Love is an experience, and an experience cannot have definition as it is unique to the individual who did the experiencing.

Necro Mortis
04-04-2004, 10:22 AM
Question. Is love just something that remains from our natural insticts, is it what drives us to carry on our species? Or is it something from the human mind that creates a bond between people. Does love serve a perpose other than to increase the birthrate?
I realise that not all love means that people jump into bed together its just strange, I think so anyway

DarkWolf
04-04-2004, 12:02 PM
For me love is wanting someone... not for sex or anything... but simply to look at them with your own eyes. It is a feeling of happiness. One word from them makes your day complete. A touch of them: a hug or kiss, can send you into euphoric dizziness. It is patience, you may not be together for years - but while the lack of contact is saddening, the hope you'll be together someday keeps you happy and content enough to wait. If you know that someday you will have her in your arms, you won't care about the wait, or lust, or unhappiness... you only care to be with her. In her company, to hold her close and be happy with just that.

You may dislike things about each other, you can disagree, you can argue: but you are still compelled, as if held by some divine hand, to be together.

The purpose of love? Why does it need to serve a purpose? It makes you happy, strong, and hopeful no matter what dire events happen. You feel safe, as though wrapped in a warm blanket on a cold day, and not even the strongest wind can blow you down. Can't the way it makes you feel be purpose enough?

For me love has nothing to do with lust, sex, the species, instincts, opinions, or individuality or anything. It is just a connection with somebody, to be happy, and a single word or picture of them is enough to make you dizzy in joy. That is love.

Klark
04-04-2004, 12:24 PM
Question. Is love just something that remains from our natural insticts, is it what drives us to carry on our species? Or is it something from the human mind that creates a bond between people. Does love serve a perpose other than to increase the birthrate?
I realise that not all love means that people jump into bed together its just strange, I think so anyway

No, love is not an instinct. You do not ever love anyone instinctually. (i wonder if that's a word) Love is an emotion, carried on by the chemicals and signals of the brain. Sometimes it may seem that you have no choice in who you love but it is by no means instinct.

No, our sex drive is what drives us to carry on our species. That again is a chemical thing, not necessarily an instinct. Hormones surge and BAM! We find that we need to procreate (sp). People who have never loved the person who have helped to create their spawn still have carried on our species, so love has nothing to do with that.

Yes, love does create a bond between two people. Love is like a tapestry, weaving us and connecting us all at some point or another.

Yes, because of love having nothing to do with fornication and procreation, it therefore serves other purposes. It is one of the basic needs of humans, actually, I believe it may be one of the basic needs of most organisms, except those that do not have the central nervous system capable of releasing such pleasure causing chemicals...because in the end, that's what love is, a drug. Love the brain and it will love you. :D

Necro Mortis
04-04-2004, 12:48 PM
Wow Klark, some of your stuff belongs in the poetry forum! :D

Thanks for answering questions by the way, they just came off the top of my head but interesting answers anyway!

LostInThought
04-04-2004, 10:37 PM
..Love,to me love is undefineable(probabl y spelled that wrong... :p )just like many of the emotions people feel but can't really put their finger on it.I also agree their are different kinds of love(I think we all do),but I also think love is different for everyone and how we experience it,accept it,and show it is as individual as every person is an individual...well,th ats just my take on love,hope ya'll may have learned something from my ramblings and hope no one got offended....thank you...

LV426
04-22-2004, 07:48 PM
I haven't read through all these responses yet but I should sometime, because I think I'm in a minority. A while ago, I wrote kind some stuff on my way of thinking for a friend. It hasn't changed much and this isn't the whole thing, but this is basically my "definition," if you will, of "love:"

I don't love anyone anymore. If anything, I respect and trust them. I know I have love in me, I've felt it before but it's been pushed back to the recesses of my mind for so long. Society hasn't helped much. Too many shows on "Instant Love." It's redefined the way people look at it, it's been stripped down to reality shows and "who wants to marry me" programs. It's being sold on Ebay, those "imaginary boy-/girl-friends." So now the message I'm getting is that love has a price, but no matter how much you pay you still end up losing that person because they thought someone looked or acted or talked and sang better than you. The media make love into an empire, a moneymaking and ratings machine and I go against it. Because of the way everything's working out with that, I've determined that I just can't love anyone anymore. Because in this society, today, people follow what they see. If I still continue to "love" like it used to be, like what it's supposed to be, like what it was meant to be, then I'll just end up by myself as usual.
I've vastly redefined my interpretation of "love" to some extent to basically a point of respecting, trusting, caring, and willing to die for someone. I know, technically that means that I "love" my friends. But I don't see it that way. Love can be hurt and broken, and this definition, at least what I've made of it, can't be broken. Yes, individual things like respect and trust can be broken. But I don't trust until I've made sure I respect them. Sometimes that takes a long time for me to trust them.
I've also reached a mindset where I realize the people come and go. I know, it's life, I've had people come and go so many times I can't remember them all right now. Both people I don't know and good friends. But the thing is, THEY ALL LEAVE in the end. So why get close to them and open yourself up to them when they're just going to leave sometime? I can't predict when that is, or if it'll happen. But I know that in the end, everyone leaves. So I've just accepted that no one will be there, and those that are, will only be there for a short time in my life.

So basically my premise is...if I don't love anyone (I know I can though), I don't risk a "broken heart." I'm pretty apathetic, you can say. I know a lot of people won't agree with me, and I respect that. But it's just my way of thinking.


I love my cat, he has never broken my heart and never cheats on me and as long as I have thumbs to open the can of food he worships me. :)

LV426
04-23-2004, 12:29 AM
I'm talking in terms of humans. Yes, I love my dog, he has never let me down. But humans...I read somewhere that a dog has more friends than a human because he doesn't use his tongue for talking. Something like that.
C'mon BloodWolf, haven't you heard? Everyone on this site "hates hoomans" lol Humans suck man, humans suck! :cool:

Ves
04-23-2004, 02:09 AM
lol Humans suck man, humans suck!
But only if you ask them very nicely ;)

Sorry, I've been up all night...

ThrasherCub
04-23-2004, 03:28 AM
True, untainted love in it's purest state is a single soul in two bodies.

Lycanspirit
05-13-2004, 10:16 AM
Does anyone believe that love(true love, not the urge to hump someone/thing) exists? If so, has anyone found it, to their belief?

I'll give my opinion if someone else does...


I believe that love does not exist ,well true love at least, for I think that true love must be created and taken care of if it is to last. And I guess thats all I really have to say on that matter.

MorganaFang
05-13-2004, 03:06 PM
I believe that love does not exist ,well true love at least, for I think that true love must be created and taken care of if it is to last. And I guess thats all I really have to say on that matter.
Ah C'mon, if true love didn't exist, would romance books about them exist?

To me you are contradicting yourself in your belief of true love. You say it doesn't exist however, well I bolded it for you :D

In some ways I agree with you, despite the rift in your logic, it works for me simply because love is one of those "oh so wonderful" concepts that individuals create for themselves. True love, eluding to the absolute person you will love no matter what, does not exist in the outside universe unless a person chooses to believe so. Do two molecules love one another? No... Well.... Literally no.

In my mindset love exists, true love, in the most common definition of the person you spend the rest of your life with doesn't exist. However, true love as in the person who you will always love forever, in the form that makes you feel the best, then that to me is true love.

Ooh short attention span!

ThrasherCub
05-14-2004, 12:46 AM
Ah C'mon, if true love didn't exist, would romance books about them exist?

To keep Fabio in business.

Dark Fang
08-10-2004, 12:21 PM
I personaly do not believe in love. I have had the ocasional crush but it's gone within two days at the most. If there is such a thing I haven't found or seen it.

Darth Cluich
08-10-2004, 01:40 PM
You're only 15. Give it time. :p

wolfrider1313
08-10-2004, 05:25 PM
i believe strongly that there is a specific love out there for someonr. a soulamte.

Faerie_flame
08-22-2004, 01:11 PM
I dont mean to sound all violent soul here but i think loves a bunch of bullshit. No offence intended to those who believe in it butyou can say you love anyone, it doesn't mean they feel the same way. Loves a sham.

Though I have had little experience myslef, I completely agree with you. I think that we feel love toward someone who we like very much, but if they were to change, or if they did something dreadful, then we wouldn't love them anymore. Love isn't true, and it doesn't last forever.

Lycan_bites
08-26-2004, 02:51 AM
Love exists for the people who find it, and not for those without. Simple as.
I know it's true for me, and although relationships need work or whatever, you can create love for you and that special someone if you work hard enough at it.

celticwomenfudah
05-13-2005, 10:19 AM
I have been wondering over a question that has been asked for centries. What is love really. Is it just something we feel or is it a figment of the imagination only put in our heads so that is can be broken. Poets have asked this several times too but when they write about it are they right? Got any ideas?

turninworm
05-21-2005, 02:00 PM
Thats a tough one!I think that most classical poets are describing an idealised concept of love which is also closer to lust or admiration from afar.From my own experience real love is a state of conciousness which envelopes you when you have fully accepted another human being for who they are and chosen to let them past your barriers and into your world.

WareW-Believer
05-21-2005, 08:35 PM
Love? Love is just a word that we use for things we have no real meaning for when we like another person/being/(yes I'm sayin' it)inanimate object. Just an expression that we use. No real meaning as I've said. Other than that I can't explain it. Just there is no definition for it.

WhiteCrowUK
05-22-2005, 03:49 PM
Out of interest I tried "what is love" in Jeeves www.ask.com

There are a lot of frightening websites out there which will try to answer the question for you ...

* "IT STARTED WITH LOVE. Why not end it the same way? COLLABORATIVE LAW. The Court-Less Way to Part."
* "Click to Get SMS from your Virtual Boyfriend"
* "What is love? Christianity is Unique."
* "The Mail Order Bride Guide, Planet-Love.com
Planet-Love.com's international introduction agency lists are better than those of any other directory. Here's why..."
* "(THIS WEBSITE) allows a subscribing member to submit the story of how their long-term, committed relationship broke up (i.e.: via a dating web site; cheating; or whatever)."

There is a common theme, people trying to tell you what love is to get something from you - from getting your money, your devotion to their religion.

People know they need love, but dont know what love really is. And that can leave you vulnerable.

I guess you only learn about love by finding out what it is not, making mistakes. Believing you have a relationship which is love, to find out its not.

Love is something I guess you can only understand by experiencing and living it, not defining it.

dragonrider
05-23-2005, 08:10 AM
I think that love is something that we feel you know but no one acually knows what it means or what it is and how to explain it. But that is just my opinion :p

WhiteN-OHcents
05-26-2005, 09:43 PM
That's a hard question to tell you the truth. Love is great to me, but that's only because it's never broken my heart... yet anyway. Love can kill too yuh know. I almost think of love as a person rather than a feeling because love can make you feel lots of things. Really, love can't be explained because it's one of them things that everyone feels different about.

dragonrider
05-28-2005, 11:44 AM
I agree

Darth Cluich
05-28-2005, 12:29 PM
I agree


Um...care to elaborate at all?

dragonrider
06-13-2005, 12:55 PM
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmm nope

celticwomenfudah
06-25-2005, 11:10 AM
Really if love is a person then how can we feel it? And what we feel then how can we know is love? sorry if it doesn't make sense but these are questions we must ask ourselves. :confused:

Darth Cluich
06-25-2005, 12:51 PM
ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmm nope

Well, then..


http://www.p0stwh0res.com/images/judyshutup.jpg

dragonrider
07-06-2005, 01:12 PM
those are some good questions :confused:

sneaky_toast
07-07-2005, 08:22 PM
I do not know, but i do realise that many romanticism novels have a different perspective on the concept of love, even if it isn't natural, Anne Rice has a idea of love, Cheri Scotch, Alan F. Troop, Terry Goodkind, but it all seems to be about wanting to be with a person and life being nothing compared to being with that person

RunsWithScissors
07-14-2005, 08:05 PM
Love is never having to hold your own hair back...

Tilling My Grave
07-19-2005, 01:02 AM
Personally, I believe that too try to explain love in words to someone else, is a complete and utter waste of time. This is due to the huge differences in life individuals have. For example, the love of family, you could say is one that all people share. But this of course is not true. Someone is bound to hate their parents somewhere. I mean real hate too and for whatever reason. Love is different for everyone and therefore cannot be similar nor explained by any one person. Let me give you some wise words of advice, before I loose myself further

....."Oh, and while it's not an official rule, if anything goes wrong -- be it with the site or with life in general -- blame Necro."- Cluich

Let us take thse words and use them seriously. If you can't find or explain love...blame Necro

VeliusValdagesh
07-22-2005, 02:22 AM
Personally, What is love, it is something that makes your heart soar when it is achieved for the first time & it is something that'll break it when it is lost. Of course no one knows what its true purpose is, some people try to say its a word, some say its you need in order to cope with other people. Personally, I wish I had it, and sadly know what it is cuz I desire it very much.

BlackRosePhantom
06-21-2007, 04:12 PM
Love is that emotion which is a mix of joy, compassion, care, tenderness, and just content. It is the strange satisfactory appreciation of blissfulness in your life. It is that uncontrollable worry that you have when the slightest possibility of danger happens to someone you care about. Scientifically, it is a hormone that helps us create bonds with others.

Aeolus
06-23-2007, 04:23 PM
Personally, I believe that too try to explain love in words to someone else, is a complete and utter waste of time. This is due to the huge differences in life individuals have. For example, the love of family, you could say is one that all people share. But this of course is not true. Someone is bound to hate their parents somewhere. I mean real hate too and for whatever reason. Love is different for everyone and therefore cannot be similar nor explained by any one person. Let me give you some wise words of advice, before I loose myself further

....."Oh, and while it's not an official rule, if anything goes wrong -- be it with the site or with life in general -- blame Necro."- Cluich

Let us take thse words and use them seriously. If you can't find or explain love...blame Necro

I like Shakespeare's take on it... it's insane but it was meant to be.