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GoldShadowHunt
02-17-2004, 12:48 AM
This is why religion worries me. Aren't their leaders supposed to be the good guys?

Study Finds More Than 4,000 Priests Accused of Abuse
By RACHEL ZOLL, AP
The draft survey said 11,000 abuse claims have been filed against the U.S. churchmen during that period, CNN reported.



AP
The bishops commissioned the study as part of a series of reforms meant to restore trust in their leadership.

The survey is being overseen by the National Review Board, a lay watchdog panel the American bishops formed, and conducted by researchers from the John Jay College of Criminal Justice in New York.

John Jay refused to comment on the CNN report, while board members contacted Monday by The Associated Press wouldn't say whether or not the latest statistics were accurate. They stressed the report is not finished, and that any numbers tallied so far could change before the study is released Feb. 27.

The figures are roughly in keeping with a trend the AP reported on last week.

Some individual dioceses have released the abuse statistics they compiled for the national survey, and the AP has been tracking those reports. Through Monday, 84 of 195 U.S. dioceses had reported claims - with 1,413 clergy accused of abuse since 1950. Tens of thousands of priests worked in those dioceses during that period.

The number of accused clergy is already much greater than the scope of abuse previously estimated by victims' groups and the media.

''I would hope that the public would kind of withhold any immediate judgment until they get the full story on Feb. 27th,'' said Leon Panetta, the former Clinton White House chief of staff and a National Review Board member.

Robert S. Bennett, a prominent Washington attorney and another review board member, said survey drafts are circulating only among board members and John Jay researchers.

No bishops have seen the draft, said Bennett, who also is overseeing the board's investigation into the causes of the clergy abuse crisis. The results of that inquiry will also be released Feb. 27.

''Both the National Review Board report and the John Jay study are still in the process of being written,'' Bennett said. ''People should wait until then to draw their conclusion.''

Bishop Wilton Gregory, president of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops, said in a statement that he has not seen the drafts and can't comment on any numbers until a final report is issued at month's end.

''I want to reaffirm that the bishops requested these studies so that we could understand as fully as possible what caused this terrible occurrence in the life of our community to make sure that it never happens again,'' Gregory said.

The bishops commissioned the unprecedented survey as part of a series of reforms meant to restore trust in their leadership. The 84 dioceses that released their statistics have reported 2,990 abuse claims so far.

CNN reported that the draft survey said 78 percent of those abused were between the ages of 11 and 17, and that more than half the accused priests had a single allegation filed against them.

It said the report blames the sex abuse crisis on the bishops' failure to grasp the gravity of the problem, their misguided willingness to forgive and their emphasis on avoiding scandal, among other things.

Victim advocates say the survey ultimately will underestimate the number of cases because it is based on self-reporting by bishops.


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LupineShaman
02-18-2004, 05:30 PM
The Catholic Church is just about the only religion that does not allow thier priests to have relationships. Therefore they cannot have sex with women or anything like that without "the community" of catholics looking down on them as sinners. So they target little children because they believe that the children are easy to controle. And I guess they figure that since it is a sin anyway they may as well secure thier seat on the "bullet train to Hell". If the Church let them have wifes and families it probably wouldn't have happened. None of the religions that allow the priests to have families have this problem. But, according to all catholics, I don't know what I'm talking about because I am not part of thier religion. But I think I have a few good speculations on the subject.

LOBO REY
02-19-2004, 07:59 AM
The catholic church is complet bullshit anyways. Very few catholics get in to heaven and no pope ever will. So fuck 'em. Besides celebsy
is against the the laws of Moses. And even Jesus had a wife.

Ender
02-19-2004, 08:25 AM
Taking into account all the molestations of the catholic church in America, the number of molesters still only accounts for less than half of one percent of the entire community of these guys. Don't condem the entire cult for that small percent of the nutters.

LV426
02-19-2004, 01:25 PM
The catholic church is complet bullshit anyways. Very few catholics get in to heaven and no pope ever will. So fuck 'em. Besides celebsy
is against the the laws of Moses. And even Jesus had a wife.

I'm tempted to delete your entire post for being downright abusive towards those of the catholic religion. To them their religion isn't bullshit, it means very much to those who are catholic and while I don't agree with them or others who believe in the Christian God, I don't attack them unless provoked.

As for them getting into heaven, I don't see how you can make that call, you don't know for sure and it will not be your decision who goes and who doesn't go to heaven.

And while Celebacy might be against the laws of Moses, the catholics chose a slightly different version of the bible to follow. It happens quite frequently.

I would also like to know how you know that Jesus had a wife? I haven't run across that particular version of the Bible yet. I know that he had an affair but I never found the passage where he got married.


Now I don't agree with catholic priests molesting children and taking out their sexual urges on the innocent, but it isn't as if the catholics are encouraging their priests to bugger their kids. Yes maybe if the priests were allowed wives and families this wouldn't be an issue but I doubt it. I think the ones that molested children were child molesters to begin with and they used the church as a smokescreen. Some wanted to escape and others used it to their advantage. Being a priest gave these men a power over their parishoners and they broke the trust bestowed upon them by their congregation and their superiors. The only fault that truly falls upon th catholic church itself is hiding the crimes for so long and enabling those who were known offenders to continue to have contact with the religion and the children.

LupineShaman
02-19-2004, 02:01 PM
The catholic church is complet bullshit anyways. Very few catholics get in to heaven and no pope ever will. So fuck 'em. Besides celebsy
is against the the laws of Moses. And even Jesus had a wife.
Please don't start talking down about other religions. I can't stand it when people do that to mine, therefor it is very rude to do that to others. I just point out flaws that COULD be the reason why this incident happened. The organization may be a little messed up, but if people believe in it then it is thier right to do so. You shouldn't hate people because of thier religion. And if you don't like the structure of it just say so. And by the way, Moses and Jesus were Jewish.

LupineShaman
02-19-2004, 02:12 PM
Now I don't agree with catholic priests molesting children and taking out their sexual urges on the innocent, but it isn't as if the catholics are encouraging their priests to bugger their kids. Yes maybe if the priests were allowed wives and families this wouldn't be an issue but I doubt it. I think the ones that molested children were child molesters to begin with and they used the church as a smokescreen. Some wanted to escape and others used it to their advantage. Being a priest gave these men a power over their parishoners and they broke the trust bestowed upon them by their congregation and their superiors. The only fault that truly falls upon th catholic church itself is hiding the crimes for so long and enabling those who were known offenders to continue to have contact with the religion and the children.
You make a very good point. Several in fact. From what I have read from your posts you have a very good insite into things. A great many things. And you definantly put a lot more thought into what you write than the rest of us. Now that I think about it, I guess I never thought about the priests actually being child molesters from the start. I thought that there was some kind of screening process or something to keep people like that out of positions of power. I guess I over estimated what one needs to become a priest of the catholic church. :(

GoldShadowHunt
02-19-2004, 06:39 PM
I'm tempted to delete your entire post for being downright abusive towards those of the catholic religion. To them their religion isn't bullshit, it means very much to those who are catholic and while I don't agree with them or others who believe in the Christian God, I don't attack them unless provoked.

The only fault that truly falls upon th catholic church itself is hiding the crimes for so long and enabling those who were known offenders to continue to have contact with the religion and the children.

That's my point. I didn't post the news article to tear down the religion. It simply saddens me that someone who is supposed to be a religious leader would do anything like that, REGARDLESS of the religion.