Werewolves, real or not...

[Wolfy]

Many people keep saying that they don't exist and that there's no proof that they exist. Many things don't have proof but they seem to exist anyways. There has been many reports about werewolves in history, they all can't be wrong. How many times does something need to happen to prove itself that it exists? And if it exists, what more lurks in the shadows? What if many of these ancient creatures exist like demons, vampires, werewolves, trolls, goblins only that there aren't that much of them left?

[MorganaFang]

Many people keep saying that they don't exist and that there's no proof that they exist. Many things don't have proof but they seem to exist anyways. There has been many reports about werewolves in history, they all can't be wrong. How many times does something need to happen to prove itself that it exists? And if it exists, what more lurks in the shadows? What if many of these ancient creatures exist like demons, vampires, werewolves, trolls, goblins only that there aren't that much of them left?

You'll find that in history these "monsters" were association in fact I did reports on things that go bump in the night and found out that they only are our fears of our human nature being reflected back at us.

[LOBO REY]

I've seen things in my life you wouldn't belive including a giant bird monster in the back woods of southern Texas. Do not forget that a hundred or so years prior to now they belived gorillas were a myth. That the Krakren or giant squid was just monster stories of the Portagesse. " Thier are more things in Heaven and Earth than God intended mere mortals to know." Thats how I see it. Oh yeah, I my self am a Lobombre.

[Aquilan]

*rooting for existance*

[Tigatron]

So maybe in the furture, Science could tell people that we truely exist. :confused: :D

[LycanSpectre]

So maybe in the furture, Science could tell people that we truely exist. :confused: :D

Maybe, but as it stands now, the rumor is that there is plenty of scientific evience that Werewolves don't exist. I think that it is possible that science is wrong (it has been in the past), but it is rather unlikely. Until I see something that gives me reason to believe, I will just keep an open mind. Faith alone is not enough for me; it is too easy to misplace.

[Darth Cluich]

Faith alone is not enough for me; it is too easy to misplace.

It sure is. I misplaced mine some time ago, along with my car keys. If anyone finds either of them, please email me and let me know. Thanks.

[Wolffy13]

Those who seek, find answers.

And I mean REALLY seek, not just website-hopping

[WhiteCrowUK]

There has been many reports about werewolves in history, they all can't be wrong.

I do believe that "life is bigger than science" - but I think to be honest, werewolves as we'd like to believe them dont exist.

Many of the reports through the ages come from times when forests dominated the landscape, there was poor lighting, and people were generally supersticious.

Plus as a student of such things, I know the brain can easily be tricked! Take for instance my encounter with an alien one night - it looked and moved in a bizzarre way. But it turned out to just be a black and white horse. With the black bits unseen in the moonlight, it looked totally unearthly, and my girlfriend of the time saw the same as me!

[Shift_To_Wolf]

Personally i think they may exsist but who knows...

[ThrasherCub]

Take a look at my quote. Rough translation is that anything can exist. This is the theory of magick.
If you believe in something strong enough and with enough will and spirit it will become reality. Magick is essentialy using this to change the reality around you. Why can't one skilled in this change the reality of him or herself?

[Cephas]

Take a look at my quote. Rough translation is that anything can exist. This is the theory of magick.
If you believe in something strong enough and with enough will and spirit it will become reality. Magick is essentialy using this to change the reality around you. Why can't one skilled in this change the reality of him or herself?
Hear hear, Thrashercub.

[DarkHunter]

I have seen how vampires can scientifically exist. Werewolves so far can't scientifically.

But what does science know? I believe they do. In isolated patchs. Planning to overthrow humans and use them as slaves. Mwuahhahahaha.

Enough, I can't stop acting silly.

[Teej]

I see weres and vampires as nothing more than a fad, maybe people want to feel more different than everybody else now that the "goth" trend has taken over, so they move on to something more extreme. For whatever reason they believe they are, I really do not think they exist. Anyone of you prove me wrong and I'll believe, but there's not much you can do short of showing me in person that you can change from one to the other that will make me truly believe.

[DarkHunter]

Yeah, and recently someone made all this up just to be different. And people haven't been finding Therians for years who explained what could be happening. Reincarnation doesn't exist, we're all full of shit.

Congratulations, you've avoiding all deductive reasoning.

[Teej]

Yeah, and recently someone made all this up just to be different. And people haven't been finding Therians for years who explained what could be happening. Reincarnation doesn't exist, we're all full of shit.

Congratulations, you've avoiding all deductive reasoning.

Congratulations, you can't read. I knew I'd get some hostility for posting that reply.

Nowhere in there did I say that the idea of werewolves just began recently. I said it's become a FAD recently. As for you all that think you are a werewolf being full of shit, well yeah, that you more than likely were correct in saying. I'm sure some of you, in your own minds, believe you are in fact a werewolf, just catch yourself changing from one to the other on camera and show it to me next time it happens and then maybe I'll believe. I have no idea where the whole reincarnation thing came from.

[Fuzzy]

Magick huh, fair enough man. if you beleive you are a werewolf, you are. Why? Because we are all the manifestation of our own minds, whether others see it or not. However, are you or anyone else a werewolf to me? No. Deal with the fact that a delusion may be more than reality will allow you to have.
15 years ago, i could control storms and read thoughts, i can't now. My world didn't change to what it is now. I merely used knowledge of it to change myself.
To thine(sp?) own self be true.
I found out that it was scientifically impossible for me to have those abilities, and so my delusion ended. Sad really.

[COLONV]

I will have to see it before beliveing in it.I cannot tell if yes or no.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

Of course werewolves and the rest of them exist. Take it from me, I know all about it.

[Wraywolf]

Sure, you and every other 13 year old smart enough to use his fingers and acces a phoneline.

[Wolf-Bone]

You know what I'm surprised no one's brought up yet in this thread?

What if it was found somehow that werewolves indeed did exist. Except they were nothing like you imagined.

If they shapeshifted, but it eventually made them weaker instead of stronger, because their cells broke down and it eventually killed them.

Or if they turned out to just be a previously undiscovered species of marsupial or something, that had slightly canid features.

They would bear little resemblance to the romanticism of hollywood, fiction, literature, and mythology both ancient and modern. They wouldn't be anything like the creatures most of you who believe in werewolves probably wish to become. And I doubt any two people who wish to be werewolves have exactly the same vision of what a werewolf is.

What I'm getting at is, even if you could have the one thing you wanted that's unobtainable, in this case it's almost a gaurantee that you wouldn't be satisfied.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

Ok, Wraywolf, I'm 15 and I do know what I am talking about. Some people think we are a joke, but we are not.
Have any of you people heard of the werewolves people have encountered in the west? They could weird people, but I don't think they are.
Watch yourself around this Luth next time, Wraywolf.Sure, you and every other 13 year old smart enough to use his fingers and acces a phoneline.

[Klark]

As much as I'd love to believe you BluewolfW.W. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask for some proof. I'd love for someone to prove that werewolves exist, but just stories of weird people and stories in general provide no proof. Show me footage of a man/woman becoming a wolf and I'll show you that I'll believe.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I'll try my best, Klark. As for all those stories people have had throughout all these (very) long years, some have to be right. Or they were hallucinations or whatever (mutations and all that jazz). I think that it is up to yourself to decide if werewolves exist.As much as I'd love to believe you BluewolfW.W. I'm afraid I'm gonna have to ask for some proof. I'd love for someone to prove that werewolves exist, but just stories of weird people and stories in general provide no proof. Show me footage of a man/woman becoming a wolf and I'll show you that I'll believe.

[Klark]

Good answer. Heh, I keep hope alive that maybe they do exist, but ya know what I always say? Expect the worst and hope for the best.....

[Wolf-Bone]

I think that it is up to yourself to decide if werewolves exist.

So what the fuck, first you say you're actually a werewolf and that you'll try to prove it, and then you say it's up to us to decide for ourselves. Most of us HAVE, which you'll no doubt use as a cop out.

"clap your hands if you believe, Peter Pan! You can fly, YOU CAN FLY!!!"

I stand by what I said in my previous reply.

[Klark]

I think that's the best thing she could've said. She said that she's a were, but that it's up to us to decide if they exist. She left that quite unoffensive.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I'm a girl. I guess I should've said that earlier....he's a were...

[Lost_Soul]

BlueWolf could you post a picture of your were self? I think you could. I'm not asking this as a challenge...urr...I 'd really like to see it. (I'm pretty sure weres have diposable* thumbs and enough sense to work cameras. At least I think. -_-; )

Hah, I'd probably get played! ^o^...o_o...-_-

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

I can totally get a picture for you, Lost Soul. Just let me find a camera and another person to take my picture...

[Klark]

diposable* thumbs

*falls backwards out of his chair laughing so hard* OUCH!

*climbs back up* Uh, Lost_Soul...I believe you mean opposable thumbs.

[Lost_Soul]

O_O....umm...yeeesss s, this is something I knew...It was just a...typo...yeah a typo... O___o

Yes, yes, do this Blue Wolf, do this!!! I wanna see it!! :eek:

Wooooh....I'm getting all worked up.

[Wolf-Bone]

I can totally get a picture for you, Lost Soul. Just let me find a camera and another person to take my picture...

do it infront of a mirror or something.

[TheBlueWolfW.W.]

That doesn't work very well.do it infront of a mirror or something.

[Lost_Soul]

Flashes reflect off the mirror and that screws up the pictures. But otherwise if you keep the flash off it can work.

Hmm...

I can't really picture a were holding a camera and taking a picture of themself through the mirror. If you took such a picture I would have to say it would be quite suprising.

[DarkWolf]

Watch yourself around this Luth next time, Wraywolf.
Threats will not be tolerated.

[Hellcat]

*falls backwards out of his chair laughing so hard* OUCH!

*climbs back up* Uh, Lost_Soul...I believe you mean opposable thumbs.

Diposable thumbs, that's got to be better than disposable ones :D

Well BlueWolf I don't know who or what you are, but I'll tell ya this- whether or not you really can p-shift is irrelevent because you have as much chance of proving to us lot that you can change into a wolf as a christian has of convincing an athiest that God does exist. You are fighting a losing battle. Personally if I could change into another animal I wouldn't be trying to convince people. What's you is you- what other people think is irrelevent. Lets say for arguements sake that you could prove without doubt that you can change into a wolf- what then? You'd find yourself in some science lab subjected to all manner of examinations before you even knew what hit you. That kind of anti-science (which it is, lets face it, p-shifting defies all common scientific facts) does go down well until its been dragged apart and ever component has been disected just to answer the questions of the curious (and scientific) human mind

[McKitty]

Whatever Bluewolf is on ...he's not sharing.

Personally I agree with Hellcat. If I could shapeshift, why the hell do I need to prove it to anyone else?

[Wolf-Bone]

Because if you could shapeshift, you probably wouldn't go around claiming to, and the question wouldn't even be raised. People that claim to p-shift do so in the first place because they want to appear to be special, almost elite among weres. Some even do it because they think it makes them less were if they don't. So, if someone some day claims to p-shift and offers evidence of their credibility, they'll get taken seriously. Otherwise they need to shut up about it because it just makes them look like attention whores.

[COLONV]

Of course werewolves and the rest of them exist. Take it from me, I know all about it.Then you could explain that to me, please.

[Wolffy13]

You know, I honestly believe that science is basically nothing more than recorded patterns of life, energy, etc. I doubt it has covered all the bases.

Besides, if you guys are so omnipotent as to tell us that werewolves are a complete impossibility then help me find my lost friend (and you'll know who she is without me giving you any hints ;) ) and tell my all about my family's lineage. I have suspicions about a couple of my ancestors.

Personally, I couldn't swear to you on my life that they do exist (that would be a gamble, wouldn't it?) but I won't say it can't happen.

[ThrasherCub]

Sure, you and every other 13 year old smart enough to use his fingers and acces a phoneline.

I'm an adult. Thank you.





And you know, stranger, more outlandish stuff has been accepted for years.
Along with more scientificaly inacurate stuff.

Read the bible. Know how long it was between the creation of Earth and the creation of the first human? Not long enough to account for all them dinosaurs.
And yet I see Christians who are completely sure that the Bible is truth, and apparnetly the bones in display at the local museum are lies... somehow.

I could go through all sorts of faith-based things like that, unfortunately it's midnight and I'm too busy eating cookies to do so.

Why did I drag faith into this? It's been proven that shifting is physicaly impossible. Who cares what's physicaly possible? I'll take the spiritual side any day.

[Darth Cluich]

Who cares what's physicaly possible?

Because we -- at least those of us who are sane -- live in a physical world. Period. End of story.

[wolf_feahters]

Because we -- at least those of us who are sane -- live in a physical world. Period. End of story.

Noone live's in a physical world. Even all of your "sceince" hasn't proven some of thier greatest idea's, such as the THEORY of RELITIVITY (E=mc2).

There are also a few in the sceintific community that are doing studie's into thing's such as Were's, Magick, etc...

Before you get all hot and bothered with something, do a little research into it. You might be surprised at what you find.

You must remember, most of the TRUE lore about Were's state that it's a spiritual shift, not a physical one. The physical shift didn't start till after the Church wanted to destroy anything that was from the "pagan" ideals.

[LycanSpectre]

Noone live's in a physical world. Even all of your "sceince" hasn't proven some of thier greatest idea's, such as the THEORY of RELITIVITY (E=mc2).

There are also a few in the sceintific community that are doing studie's into thing's such as Were's, Magick, etc...

Before you get all hot and bothered with something, do a little research into it. You might be surprised at what you find.

You must remember, most of the TRUE lore about Were's state that it's a spiritual shift, not a physical one. The physical shift didn't start till after the Church wanted to destroy anything that was from the "pagan" ideals.

HA HA HA!!!
This is the funniest thing I've heard all day.
Do you know ANYTHING about relativity?
Also, I'd just love to know who is doing this scientific "research" you are yammering about.

You should know that if you want us to belive anything that you type, especially crap like this, you need to provide a link to, or at least name your sources. Otherwise we will assume you are full of crap.

Before you get upset because someone else called your bluff, use some common sense.

[DarkWolf]

Noone live's in a physical world. Even all of your "sceince" hasn't proven some of thier greatest idea's, such as the THEORY of RELITIVITY (E=mc2).I'm not a scientist, but doesn't the theory of relativity make assumptions on the environment you perceive and not the physical status of the world? What I mean is: you are a physical being, you can prove to yourself with your own body that you are physical: hold your own hand, you touch it. Physical. You can feel your heart beating: Physical. While the theory of relativity is capable of doubting the environment you perceive: it says nothing about whether this is or is not a physical world.
Before you get all hot and bothered with something, do a little research into it. You might be surprised at what you find.Ditto.

For somebody who couldn't even spell their nickname right or have the common sense to check it before pressing the button; you sure do have a great deal of arrogance about your claims of the world.

[wolf_feahters]

For somebody who couldn't even spell their nickname right or have the common sense to check it before pressing the button; you sure do have a great deal of arrogance about your claims of the world.

First, there's a reason for the nickname spelt like that. It was purposeful (such as when I go by the nickname buddha, I leave out the h).

Most of the book's I've read are at the libray, and, as I currently have a overdue fine, can't check them back out. If you can find it, check out "Monsters: Where the wild things are" (found it at Barnes and Noble), which has info on Vamp, Fae, Were, Meremaids, etc.. (he goes both into the magickal side as well as science on the info).

Most of the myth's and "fact's" I listen to are from the Native tribes. All but a few talk about a Spiritual change, not a physical. When the physical changes happen, it's by the Gods, not the will of the person.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Noone live's in a physical world. Even all of your "sceince" hasn't proven some of thier greatest idea's, such as the THEORY of RELITIVITY (E=mc2).

They have actually managed to prove the theory of relativity.

I will give you the benefit on some levels though - when Einstein originally put it out he said "I cannot test this but I know it to be true", and there is also a probe being launched to test Einsteins theories more deeply.

The tests have included putting an atomic clock on a plane, and flying for several hours with it - its found it loses a small ammount of time.

Likewise cosmic particles which should have a rapid decay time are found to have slower decay times - the reason they travel so fact relativity slows down their decay!

Never challenge a physicist! ;)

[ThrasherCub]

Because we -- at least those of us who are sane -- live in a physical world. Period. End of story.


If that is truely your opinion, then you appear to have no faith in any god, afterlife, spirits and souls.






How bland.

[Darth Cluich]

Hey, somebody give ThrasherCub a kewpie doll!

No, I don't, and though it may be "bland," as you put it, I don't feel the need to spice up reality by peppering it with things that exist only in imagination.

[moonspell_]

were wolves might not turn into monsters but they are real, if you dont believe me look it up in blood disorders, youll be surprised to find vampires to they dont call them that but they are there.

[WhiteCrowUK]

I don't feel the need to spice up reality by peppering it with things that exist only in imagination.

What do you define as reality though? We dont really understand all of how the real world works and operates.

Science and philosophy are our tools to mapping the world we live in, but they are constantly changing it.

Whilst I kind of accept that werewolfism in the terms of changing from man to cannine doesnt exist, I think there is more to it that "its just imagination".

Human brains supposedly have 3 layers - a reptilian, a mammal and a primate brain. The reptilian deals with basic survival and aggression. The mammal deals with social interactions. The primate analyses visual stimulus.

So maybe the whole werewolfism is the mammal brain getting rather chatty? Anyway I'm open to ideas - thats the world I live in.

[Ves]

Human brains supposedly have 3 layers - a reptilian, a mammal and a primate brain. The reptilian deals with basic survival and aggression. The mammal deals with social interactions. The primate analyses visual stimulus.

*Puts a hand up*
But aren't primates mammals?

[WhiteCrowUK]

*Puts a hand up*
But aren't primates mammals?

Can I suggest the following reading if you are really interested ...

http://www.ezls.fb12.uni-siegen.de/mkroedel/paul_maclean.html

http://www.kheper.net/topics/intelligence/MacLean.htm

http://pubpages.unh.edu/~jel/brain.html

[Shadow_Wolf123]

I dont know what you all are thinking, but you must be crazy. Like he said, many sightings of werewolves have been reported. They can't all have been fake! I mean, who would have "imagined" a wolf-man? That person would have to have a VERY active imagination, which not many had much of. I KNOW werewolves are real. Any questions?!

[WhiteCrowUK]

I mean, who would have "imagined" a wolf-man?

Lets see shall we - imagine its the middle ages...
* there's large woods, unlit except for moonlight
* people use various furs to make a coat to go into the cold in
* one night a couple of drunk fools see a man in furs walking around in the dark. The piss themselves and run around telling people they saw a "wolf which walked like a man".

I bet actually there is more than one man in history who has been wearing furs - been mistaken for some mad beastie, attacked and killed - and rather than go down for murder the townspeople chalk it down to superstion "hes a man now, but he looked like a wolf just - honest - and I only had a few officer!".

People are generally gullable - take modern art - it just takes one person to see the face of Jesus in a paint splodge for everyone to follow suite!

[Snackrib]

Hmmm... could there ever be a mix of werewolves and vampires? Like vampires while not a werewolf? That would be awesome ;)
I dont know what you all are thinking, but you must be crazy. Like he said, many sightings of werewolves have been reported. They can't all have been fake! I mean, who would have "imagined" a wolf-man? That person would have to have a VERY active imagination, which not many had much of. I KNOW werewolves are real. Any questions?!
EXACTLY what I think. I believe in werewolves and perhaps even vampires. I'm not sure what I believe yet but I'm sure that werewolves exist and if they exist, what else is real?

[Obsidian Claws]

What if many of these ancient creatures exist like demons, vampires, werewolves, trolls, goblins only that there aren't that much of them left?

Playing DA... where would they be hiding?

I believe in werewolves... I'm not sure what I believe yet
Erg? :confused:

Because we -- at least those of us who are sane -- live in a physical world. Period. End of story.
If that is truely your opinion, then you appear to have no faith in any god, afterlife, spirits and souls.
How bland.
No, I don't, and though it may be "bland," as you put it, I don't feel the need to spice up reality by peppering it with things that exist only in imagination.

How sad it must be, to live, only to die, knowing that your life, your mates life, your childrens lives, everything that you thought and believed, did and said, everything you took pride in, and everything that you had accomplished within that brief span of time... was all pointless, and had no meaning whatsoever.

Ive often wanted to ask someone who believed this a question: Why do you not just kill yourself right now? Why do you choose to continue living?

Based on the belief that nothing exists outside the physical realm, if you died right now, or lived until the end of the universe, it wouldnt matter. You would still die, ending all thought, memory, and consciousness, essentially fading into nothing. All paths lead to the same place, the same outcome... so why even bother going on? Nothing matters... your friends dont matter... your family doesnt matter... you dont matter....

(Depressing when you think about it.)

[Kushan]

I hope i won't be critizised because of going so deep in such a controversial topic.


First, What is a werewolf?

Second, What would ones DNA look like?

Third, If DNA is made of RNA which is in turn made of Proteins, which in turn are made up of atoms, and quantum physics says that an atom is niether a wave or a particle until you measure it.


Thus, how hard would it be for a few atoms to jump into a different formation, and form a different protein than it originally was, if you could somehow control that, and reproduce it large-scale (like shuffleing Proteins to shift DNA)

It would make the Werewolf stroy a whole lot easier to beileve.

I dunno, maybe i'm barking up the wrong tree (no pun intended)
but wouldn't it be possible that once you start to shuffle them it could start a chain reation that could start a P-shit?

Again, I'm no einstein, but i'm just wondering if what i said is possible, so im asking the physicists out there, How valid is my idea?

[Firesong]

NOT! There...dilema solved!

[Noface]

NOT! There...dilema solved!
Party Pooper!

[COLONV]

Hah! :d

[Obsidian Claws]

Thus, how hard would it be for a few atoms to jump into a different formation, and form a different protein than it originally was, if you could somehow control that, and reproduce it large-scale (like shuffleing Proteins to shift DNA)


How hard? Well... I dont know of anyone doing it yet, or coming up with any scientific theories that would support such a concept... so speaking in the realm of science, I would say pretty damn hard.

I believe that people searching for a viable, clean scientific proof of the existance, or possible existance of werewolves, will be sorely disappointed.

But if you want to look to theory, then its possible that if werewolves do not exist now, that they could someday come to exist through multipul different construction methods. Nanotechnology and genetics are the two that come to mind now, but dont get your hopes up, boys and girls. The point at which we would be able to create a werewolf through genetic science is hundreds of years away, and the point at which we would be able to create a werewolf using nanotechnology, more specifically, a universal constructor, is thousands of years away. All of this, is of course, theory.

Rambling, but really, I wouldnt count on science to prove anything that could be considered supernatural.

[Xzengrim]

I have many thoughts, and I will begin them with a disgusted sigh. *errrrrhhhhhhhh!*

Okay, first of all, YES, we all wish werewolves were real. And maybe they are. But the chances are EMINENTLY greater that they are not. After all, everything is a possibility. The earth might get hit by a comet tomorrow. A glitch in the electrical switching that allows me to type this may travel back across the power grid, accumulating charge as it goes, and explode all of you the next time you click on something on the page. There might be a god. A in invisible purple gorilla may be levitating in the upper right corner of the room right now and spying on you... all things are remotely possible, and can't be completely disproven. But we still use our computers, we still plan for a tomorrow, and we don't constantly check the upper right corner of our rooms, because we know that daily experience is based on many broad assumptions about how the universe works. We get the assumptions because we have some reason or precedent to believe what we do. We've had yesterdays, we use the computer all the time without harm, and we've never inexplicably run short of bananas while on the computer. The fact that something is incredibly unlikely, unproven, unseen, undocumented, and inexplicable is a good precedent for striking it out of the assumptions we make. Because it will never happen, we don't include it in our world view. When we start including, and changing our lives based on, the very outermost possibilities... werewolves, conspiracies, angels, they have a word for that. It's called schizophrenia. Don't be a dumbass and believe everything you feel like believing. That's for thirteen year old girls who collect glass unicorns and eat too much. I encourage you to base your existance on logic, reason, and reality... not romantic fantasy. YES I KNOW it hurts! Suck it up and act like a man. ...Or a woman, depending on your gender. Just make sure you match the correct gender to the correct behavior (I'm looking at you, Wray!!).

Secondly, if we believe anything with anecdotal evidence attached to it, such as the many accounts of werewolves over the years, then we have to believe anything that has been repeated through folklore. Angels, ghosts, trolls, chupacabras, sea monsters, space aliens, flying wak-waks, and an Elvis who did not die but instead continues to tour Vegas, even though his blood stream has been by now replaced completely with deep-fry oil.This is not a helpful, healthy, or useful world-view, that we should just believe everything that we feel like believing with no proof and no reason other than our own selfish imaginations. Yes, I'm an aethiest. Which brings me to my next point.

Lycanthropy is not in the eye of the beholder. Okay, it's nice and stuff if you can "feel it in your own heart" and so on, or if you can hypnotize yourself into believing that you've turned yourself into a wolf, but really. That's not going to cut it for me, for the rest of the world, or for science. That doesn't help. Unless you can show me actual physical changes that can somehow be documented, werewolves are not real. Even relativity can be tested and documented (and it has). Magic is a load, and werewolves (at least the real physical kind) are figments of the imagination.

Well, I'm very angry and I've written too much for people to read. But anyway... if I catch you staring into the upper right corners of your computer rooms, it's a whack with the broomstick for you! Come on, we all know what's going to cut it in terms of proof, and we just haven't seen it. Until we do, reserve your fervor for enjoyable fiction and not contemptable self delusion. ...Listening to Morbid Angel albums makes me talk like this.

[Xzengrim]

Oh yeah... and inducing a shift by engineering a chain reaction in someone's DNA sounds highly unlikely and very dangerous. There are only 300,000 genes in human DNA,and changing them around will have dramatic effects in the overall physical expression of the creature. To alter human to wolf DNA, this chain reaction would have to alter maybe 20,000 genes and not screw up in any noticable way, lest the creature die. Also, if you suddenly changed the DNA of one creature to another, the creature WOULD die. First of all, the act of molecular rearrangement (at any speed that could be affected in years and not decades or longer) would generate lethally high levels of body heat. The creature would also need to consume water, foodstuffs, and chemicals AS IT CHANGED in order to make new physical apparatuses (many of which humans are missing and will have to be made from scratch). Also... changing the wolf genome would reset the immune system to wolf standards, which would view all of the already made human parts still attached to the transforming creature as foreign bodies, and the werewolf would die from massive system shock. Or develop tumors like crazy.

At it's present state, this answer is no more plausible than magic. ...And you know my feelings about magic!

[draven682]

I have a freind who truely is a werewolf but not in the sence of witch you think he dosent physicaly change but animals love him all animals he is drawn to the moon and I have seen an entire city empty when he is pissed walking down the street you get this sence of oh shit everything is going to die when he is pissed every one knows it and people seem to part for him

[Ves]

I have a freind who truely is a werewolf but not in the sence of witch you think he dosent physicaly change but animals love him all animals he is drawn to the moon and I have seen an entire city empty when he is pissed walking down the street you get this sence of oh shit everything is going to die when he is pissed every one knows it and people seem to part for him
"You may kill my body, but please.. don't kill my language".

So your friend has animal empathy and gets angry so people steer clear of him, I think that's what you're saying.
Not a lot werewolfy there I'm afraid.

[draven682]

"You may kill my body, but please.. don't kill my language".

So your friend has animal empathy and gets angry so people steer clear of him, I think that's what you're saying.
Not a lot werewolfy there I'm afraid.


no you dont understand I have seen meny things but I have never seen anything like it i know that adrenalen does some mean shit but an entire city moved because they were in his way not just people everything moved parked cars were pused aside. :mad:

[LycanSpectre]

no you dont understand I have seen meny things but I have never seen anything like it i know that adrenalen does some mean shit but an entire city moved because they were in his way not just people everything moved parked cars were pused aside. :mad:

Um... Right. We believe you. ;) /Blatant sarcasm/

Please, learn how to effectively employ grammar and punctutation.

[Ves]

an entire city moved because they were in his way not just people everything moved parked cars were pused aside. :mad:
Well there's something you don't see every day.
I think I once saw something similar.. now was it Buffy, Angel, or a movie?

[DarkWolf]

It's been a long tired day, and rather than delete the last few posts I'll leave up for the humour value.

Draven682:

LARP is the forum for your delusions. If that happened, a whole street moving, it would be noticed and documented faster than you can blink. Now, shut up and keep your roleplaying in the rightful place or off these boards altogether. At the very least grow up. Your spelling, grammar, and attitude in your post reminds me of six year olds crying they saw the boogeyman because nobody believes them.

However, thanks for the chuckle, the delusional tone was funny for a bit, which is why the posts are still viewable.

I'm sorry for the harsh tone, but it's about time somebody got the balls to put the blatantly RPing kids to bed and let the grown ups have a serious discussion once in a while.

[COLONV]

I have a freind who truely is a werewolf but not in the sence of witch you think he dosent physicaly change but animals love him all animals he is drawn to the moon and I have seen an entire city empty when he is pissed walking down the street you get this sence of oh shit everything is going to die when he is pissed every one knows it and people seem to part for himThat is one legendary story,huh. :o

[Rlib]

How sad it must be, to live, only to die, knowing that your life, your mates life, your childrens lives, everything that you thought and believed, did and said, everything you took pride in, and everything that you had accomplished within that brief span of time... was all pointless, and had no meaning whatsoever.

Ive often wanted to ask someone who believed this a question: Why do you not just kill yourself right now? Why do you choose to continue living?

Based on the belief that nothing exists outside the physical realm, if you died right now, or lived until the end of the universe, it wouldnt matter. You would still die, ending all thought, memory, and consciousness, essentially fading into nothing. All paths lead to the same place, the same outcome... so why even bother going on? Nothing matters... your friends dont matter... your family doesnt matter... you dont matter....

(Depressing when you think about it.)

(Regression...) Not necessarily. Even if that were true, and I hope to the God which I hope exists it isn't ;) your life would still make a difference to loved ones, and to future generations carrying your and your loved ones' genes. You know that if you killed yourself, even if you couldn't see it afterwards, they would suffer and the world would be different. You know that by doing things while some part of you still exists you can still affect the events that will occur when nothing is left of you.

You're right though. Even with that philosophy it's depressing. Not hopeless perhaps. But I really hope there is something more than physical life.

[Obsidian Claws]

even if you couldn't see it afterwards, they would suffer and the world would be different. You know that by doing things while some part of you still exists you can still affect the events that will occur when nothing is left of you.

Their suffering means nothing, the change in the world is meaningless, and the events that you effect simply dont matter, as the final outcome remains the same. Nothingness.

The universe will end someday, whether it be by colliding with another universe and causing another big bang (string theory), or simply by continuing to expand at an ever accelerating rate and depleting all its fusable fuel. But it it is not a matter of how the universe will end. It is a matter of it WILL end, and at that time, nothing you nor I have done or will do will make any difference. We will all be dead, there will be no conciousness, no memory, and no thought. Essentially, it will be as if you never lived at all!

Our universe is a closed system, and its telos is already determined. Nothing we or anyone or anything else within this closed system can ever hope of changing its telos. The ultimate end remains the same, entropy (or another big bang, pick the one you like, they both effectivly end the universe). If no other systems existed beyond our own, and the telos of our system is constant no matter what, then nothing that occurred between the systems begining and the systems end mattered whatsoever, as the final result remains the same.

Think of a distant planet in some solar system. On this planet, there lives an intelligent species of creature. They can speak, think, build, etc. After thousands of years, these creatures have built a very advanced society, are peacefull, and technologically advanced, yet they have not done any type of large scale space travel and no one else in the universe knows about them.

Unfortunately, much to these intelligent creatures dismay, they discover they live in a very turbulent area of their galexy, and there is a large star moving incredibly fast towards their solar system. There is no hope of leaving the planet, as their space program never got much funding after they went to their moon and destroyed their best rocket. There is no hope of moving the planet, as that would take years, yet they only have a week.

Well, a week comes and goes, and inevitably the young star blazes through their solar system, turning their precious planet into fiery ash. Nothing remains, the intelligent species planet has been obliterated. Was there any point to this species existance? No. Did their lives have meaning? No. Was their ideal, peacefull society where everyone was happy created in vain? Yes. Would it have made any difference at all if these beings had never existed in the first place? No.

Their world was a closed system, and its telos had already been determined. To them, it was the only system, as there was nothing else beyond their world. Yet, if they had only somehow had a connection to another system, outside of their own, their existance would have served some purpose, some meaning, some ultimate point. But alas, they are now all dead, and nothing they had ever done... ever did, or ever will make any difference outside their closed system (which is now totally destroyed, so it didnt make a difference in their closed system either.)

Maybe I am being a little long winded, but this concept is clearer than day to me. I hope Im not the only person who understands that if indeed we are living in a universe where there is nothing else beyond, that nothing we could ever hope to do holds any meaning whatsoever, as the ultimate end for all matter and energy is universal, and nothing can hope to change it....

(If the idea of "systems" (solar system not included) is confusing, sorry... I was going to elaborate on that, but it would have lead into a huge description, and Ive already wrote more than most people will read, and my point is made (again.))

[DarkWolf]

Okay, great philosophy: but so far completely off-topic. If you want to discuss the fate of the Universe please do so in your own thread. This one is about the philosophical possibilities of "werewolves" by any meaning (I would assume also Therianthropy is included within the definitions, both official and unofficial) existing to our understanding.

Please keep on topic.

[Xzengrim]

"I have a freind who truely is a werewolf but not in the sence of witch you think he dosent physicaly change but animals love him all animals he is drawn to the moon and I have seen an entire city empty when he is pissed walking down the street you get this sence of oh shit everything is going to die when he is pissed every one knows it and people seem to part for him"

godDAMNit 682, did I not just SAY that that was a stupid thing to say??????!?!?!? My post is the one right above yours!! The one that says to use reason, and SPECIFICALLY that lycanthropy "not in the sence of witch we think" (namely: Reality), is NOT GOING TO CUT IT!!!! Dammit I just took up like a whole page complaining about people like you!!!

Oh well. I'm not really that angry. But seriously, go back and read both posts, and bask in the unadulterated irony that they're right next to each other. You will laugh.

[Blazer]

It seems that science has discounted the possibility of p-shifting into a werewolf. What about the other definitions.

*looks up some old books*

There are three definitions of a werewolf:

1. Someone who physically turns into a wolf.
2. Someone who can send there spirit out in the form of a wolf or possess a real wolf.
3. Someone who appears to everyone to be a wolf but doesn't actually change.

We've discounted option 1. What about 2&3?

[Vyvien Bloodshed]

Many people keep saying that they don't exist and that there's no proof that they exist. Many things don't have proof but they seem to exist anyways. There has been many reports about werewolves in history, they all can't be wrong. How many times does something need to happen to prove itself that it exists? And if it exists, what more lurks in the shadows? What if many of these ancient creatures exist like demons, vampires, werewolves, trolls, goblins only that there aren't that much of them left?

Do you think they exist? It all adout what you belive. For me they are as real as life. No not all those reports could be wrong. Vampires, werewoves, and more are real, I don't know about Trolls or Goblins.

[blueeyes]

There are multiple reports of cold fusion, but that's not real, is it? Please, people, if you're planning to debate an unfavored position, use good logic and spend the extra five seconds to put it through a spellchecker. After all, LH does have a rule about it.

In addition, use some better examples. Like the Law of Gravity, which has been overturned twice now, or the Law Of Conservation of Mass, which doesn't apply on truely large scales due to some de/dt thing in the numbers. Stuff like that, things that people don't really know but do experience.

[DarkWolf]

So far this thread has been plagued by off-topic discussion and roleplaying crap.

The issue is never going to be solved, the debates about it are a joke, and it is only going to further attract stupid kids who should be seeing psychiatrists.

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Werewolves are not real. Suck it up and deal.

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