god

[king lycaon]

does anyone beleive in god??

[Darth Cluich]

I'm an autotheist. I believe I am god.

[JadenKorr]

Yes, I do believe in God.

[J.L.R.]

Everybody believes in a god, whether themselves or a deity. Atheism is an illusion, for even our dear Lycanthropic Howl confesses she is a god.

I for one believe in God.

[MorganaFang]

JLR you miss the point of why Lyc thinks she is god. Its a rather common belief that within ourselves is a "god" not exactly the all devine christian god but a god none the less.
Frankly, I find this post a little offensive, just for the issues but it is a worthwhile discussion. Yet please stick to what YOUR beliefs, do NOT assume for other people, do NOT force beliefs and most definitely try and keep it respectful as possible.

[Klark]

Not everyone believes in god or even a god or themselves as god. Atheism is not an illusion, it is the absence of one. Religion itself is an illusion, at least from my point of view, and even if one believes so deeply in it, they still admit it has it's problems. Well, some do. I'm not gonna lump anyone into any catagory, as that's not right, I don't know everyone so therefore I cannot say.

I for one believe that the christian god cannot exist without us and that we cannot exist without him, so to me, it's a symbiotic relationship. But that is just how I feel, so that answers the question first posed.

Like Morgy said, don't assume for everyone, and do not say that anything is an illusion without adding that it is merely your point of view. Religion leaves a lot of room for discussion, and as far as I'm concerned, there is no definitive proof enough to prove someone right or wrong.

But's that's just how I feel, I may be wrong.

[Firesong]

"God" is a tricky subject, some people get offended if you say god in nonexistant, some get wiggy if you say he controls all.

I dont believe in "god" per say as a great creator, made the world, and all that kinda hooplah...I think that man created the concept of god...to attempt to explain the unexplainable and to act as a scapegoat for random events both good and bad..."why did bob get hit by lightning?...must have been god's will"

NOPE......Bob was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.... simple as that!

I do sometimes believe there is a greater universal consciousness, and that we are all connected through it, experiencing existance in all it's facets, that reality itself can be defined as a living thing.

there is a saying..."life is the embodiment od the universe trying to understand itself"..I believe that more that I believe in "god"..maybe it's the same thing. I just can't stomach siding with a diety that is connected to so much violence and suffering in his name. I'd rather rather a nameless conciousness of life itself.

[Wolffy13]

Yes, I believe in God. I'll spare you my testimony though

[LycanSpectre]

I believe in a higher power. I do not know what it is. I have rejected organized religion. I act in accordance with my instinct when dealing with spiritual matters. And I make heavy use of Occam's Razor before I place faith in anything.

[J.L.R.]

Let me clarify...

First off, I am not pushing MY beliefs on anyone. King Lycoan asked, if we believed in god (little *g* or not). He did not ask, if you believed in the Christian God, nor did he ask, do you believe in a divine diety; god can mean almost anything.

My statement, though about everybody believing in a god is true, and I will explain. Basically believing in a god, means that you answer to a higher authority. You believe in a higher authority. Now LycanthropicHowl says she is her Supreme Authority. She is the maker of her fate. She has complete control of her world, thus she is the god of her existance. Also as smart as Lycanthropic Howl is, I wouldn't make such a statement to disgrace her or piss her, for her mental intellect would crush me. :) I may be brasin, but I am not that brasin.... :cool:

Atheists are humanists. In metaphore, they believe that MAN is the center of his universe (Let me repeat metaphore here). Man is the final authority, thus man or woman, takes the place of what a theist would hold to be the final authority, whether it be the Christian God, or Diana.

My statement should be taken as it stands. I didn't say everybody believes or will believe in the Christian God. I didn't say LH was stupid or ignorant for believing what she believes, so I don't find anything objectional in my statement.

So in the end, Atheism, if taken literally would be an illusion, because they themselves, make themselves, a higher being, whether intentional or not.

Nothing bad about them, that is what they believe.

[MorganaFang]

Let me clarify...

First off, I am not pushing MY beliefs on anyone. King Lycoan asked, if we believed in god (little *g* or not). He did not ask, if you believed in the Christian God, nor did he ask, do you believe in a divine diety; god can mean almost anything.

My statement, though about everybody believing in a god is true, and I will explain. Basically believing in a god, means that you answer to a higher authority. You believe in a higher authority. Now LycanthropicHowl says she is her Supreme Authority. She is the maker of her fate. She has complete control of her world, thus she is the god of her existance. Also as smart as Lycanthropic Howl is, I wouldn't make such a statement to disgrace her or piss her, for her mental intellect would crush me. :) I may be brasin, but I am not that brasin.... :cool:

Atheists are humanists. In metaphore, they believe that MAN is the center of his universe (Let me repeat metaphore here). Man is the final authority, thus man or woman, takes the place of what a theist would hold to be the final authority, whether it be the Christian God, or Diana.

My statement should be taken as it stands. I didn't say everybody believes or will believe in the Christian God. I didn't say LH was stupid or ignorant for believing what she believes, so I don't find anything objectional in my statement.

So in the end, Atheism, if taken literally would be an illusion, because they themselves, make themselves, a higher being, whether intentional or not.

Nothing bad about them, that is what they believe.

What you believe they believe, their opinions might differ entirely. :)

[YoungFang]

I don't think it's true that everyone believe's in a God be it in nature, a higher being, themselves et cetera. There are some people who are not mentally developed enough to comprehend anything like the reasoning behind their existance and what supports it. Also it can be said that I do not believe in any kind of god or disbelive in any kind of god simply because I don't know what to believe in or what matters to me at the moment.

[LOBO REY]

Atheism is philophically impossible. For you to know there is not a God you would have to have the omnipresent knowledge that there is no God. But to have that knowledge would make you God. It's kinda hard not beliving in God if you are God. As for me I belive in God, too many weird shit and close calls.

[LycanSpectre]

Atheism is philophically impossible. For you to know there is not a God you would have to have the omnipresent knowledge that there is no God. But to have that knowledge would make you God. It's kinda hard not beliving in God if you are God. As for me I belive in God, too many weird shit and close calls.

Atheism is not about KNOWING wether there is or is not a god, its about what that person believes. That belief is not impossible in the slightest to hold. Telling us that it is impossible is pure arrogance.

[WhiteCrowUK]

does anyone beleive in god??

I believe the universe was created rather than its been around forever ...

I believe some force started off the chain of events to create it ...

This creative force I call God ...

Whether its intellegent or cares about us, or is just a force of nature no more aware than gravity, I just dont know ...

[DarkWolf]

Everybody believes in a god, whether themselves or a deity
Then I am exception.
god can mean almost anything
On the contrary, no it can not. (http://dictionary.reference .com/search?q=God)

So I am exception:
I am not all-knowing, all-powerful, I did not create or master the universe, I am not worshipped in anyway, I am far from handsome except in biased eyes, and finally I am no powerful ruler.

So by all and every definition of the word "God" I am not one, nor believe myself to be one. I have faith in what I can do, but faith alone does not indicate divinity.

My label, if we must all have one, is "agnostic".

[quatricaren]

Agnostic? Interesting term. I'll have to remember that. Atheism is not a philosophical impossibilty. It like, like all religions at some point, seem rather oxymoronic, but they are never an impossibility. It's something like anarchy, the absence of goverment, wich even though it is defined as the absence of a goverment is a goverment in itself. It is a paradox, something that contridicts itself, even though it is true. Religion and god are paradoxes that have no satisfactory answers, puzzles with different solutions to different people. They mean as many things as there are people to comprehend them.

[DarkWolf]

I disagree, quatricaren, religion is not a paradox. It is merely an excuse.

[Frostbeard]

I believe in many gods. I even believe the Christian god exists - I just don't believe that he's omnipotent, omnipresent or omniscient, or even that he's all of humanity's maker.

That's the problem with so much of the philosophy of religion - it always seems to assume that there's either a single omni-whatever being, or nothing at all. It's illogical to view everything as such a strict contrast, but maybe that's just me.

[WhiteCrowUK]

I disagree, quatricaren, religion is not a paradox. It is merely an excuse.

I believe in many gods.

I think in some ways you are both right ...

There is a passage in the Bible which says "God created man in his own image".

Nope WRONG.

In my opinion it should read "Man creates God in his own image".

The idea of a God, whoever and whichever it is, should be one which is a role model to us, and encourages us to better ourselves.

Problem is just enough ambiguity in most holy books for people to pick and choose how their god wants them to behave. And usually they choose that God wants them to carry on as they are, and judge anyone else as being wrong ...

How many times (for instance on homosexuality) do people parade their bigotry, then say with sloping shoulders they have to behave like this, because there is a passage in the bible which says they should not tolerate homosexuality.

There may also be a passage in the bible saying not to covet your neighbours possessions ... but capitalism wouldnt be able to thrive if we could all hold onto that one! ;)

[Wraywolf]

WhiteCrow, you ever read any Terry Pratchett, maybe? :)
Anyway, I really don't care if god exists or not, as I will carry on being a sodomite regardless. I mean, sure, he created the universe, gewd jurb, I still don't see why we have to worship him and his illegitimate son for it.

It's all rather boring to me.

[Sorrowsong]

Atheists are humanists. In metaphore, they believe that MAN is the center of his universe (Let me repeat metaphore here). Man is the final authority, thus man or woman, takes the place of what a theist would hold to be the final authority, whether it be the Christian God, or Diana.

This is inaccurate. I say this because I am an athiest. Not all athiests believe humans are the center of the universe, and they are not the final authority. My beliefs state that we are out on our own. Athiest means "without (a) god". I take it literally, meaning I don't believe there is such a thing. However, it doesn't restrict me from wondering where we go after death and trusting in morals. JLR, you are relying on stereotypes for athiests. It is incorrect to state that athiesm is an illusion, for it is very real.

[J.L.R.]

This is inaccurate. I say this because I am an athiest. Not all athiests believe humans are the center of the universe, and they are not the final authority. My beliefs state that we are out on our own. Athiest means "without (a) god". I take it literally, meaning I don't believe there is such a thing. However, it doesn't restrict me from wondering where we go after death and trusting in morals. JLR, you are relying on stereotypes for athiests. It is incorrect to state that athiesm is an illusion, for it is very real.

What is morality?
Who sets it, as what is moral and what is not? What is right? What is wrong? If you do not believe in God or any god for that matter, then those questions fall on man, making man the god of his or own destiny.

It is an inescapable paradox. So atheism means without (a) god, but by doing so, they make themselves god. It is yourself, that is the final authority, on what is moral and what is not. It is you who sets what is right or what is wrong. It is you, who has taken the place of God, or any god.

Understand?

[Frostbeard]

What is morality?
Who sets it, as what is moral and what is not? What is right? What is wrong? If you do not believe in God or any god for that matter, then those questions fall on man, making man the god of his or own destiny.


You're seeing things as a duality. Either God exists and is the source of all morality, or he does not and Man is the only source of morality. There are steps in between, shades of grey as it were. What if God exists, but it is mankind that decides what is Right and Moral? What if God does not exist, but our ideas of morality come from something other than our own whims? There are certainly more possibilities as well.


It is an inescapable paradox. So atheism means without (a) god, but by doing so, they make themselves god. It is yourself, that is the final authority, on what is moral and what is not. It is you who sets what is right or what is wrong. It is you, who has taken the place of God, or any god.

Understand?

You seem to be implying that defining morality is the only thing that God would do, or at least that it's the most important thing God would do.

[BluStorm]

Hehh. Well I see doom. I see a few theists and a wholelata atheists. heh no wonder WordWolf warned me about this place.

At yes I believe in God. I am a Christian (see title). And by the looks of this. I'm will probley be mayrted. :rolleyes:. Anyway my believes are founded by a mixture of faith and well honest fear. Took me long enough. If there is God and there is. Well that make that either fact or opinon. heh it depends who read this..

Blu out

[J.L.R.]

Christian here as well. For the most part, many of the people here practice some sort of descretion when it comes to religion, and more or less willing to let you argue your cause, but I would like to say, you better have some intel when it comes to your replies, or you will be cruxified. Many of the people I have seen do have some ought against the Christian doctrine, while most of the complaints are not against the doctrine itself, but against those who abuse Christianity to bring about there own plans.

My advice is, because this board is largely Anti-Christianity, becareful how you answer, and while you should NEVER deny your own rights as to argue in religion, because even though some people say you don't have the right to disagree, you do, you should THINK about your answer, and know enough about the Bible and Christianity in general to give a good response. If not you are going to fight a loosing battle.

Also practice, and this is important, good posting ethics. Because many of the people here are not Christians, while it is important that we are the right witnesses for Jesus, I would advice that you don't post topics like, "Why You are going to Hell," "What you believe is Stupid." and the alike. These will not get productive responses, and thus will most likely get you banned, or put on the "I'm an Idiot!" list. Remember many of the people here have a bad preception of Christianity do to pushy people who like to preach the preach, but who don't walk the walk.
Be patient, be wise as serpents, harmless as doves. Watch what you say and how you say it, and you will at least gain some respect.

[Were-E-Wolf]

J.L.R. I salute you for your perserverance for pressing your facts, even though a majority belive them to be wrong and in my opinion you are. I guess in a way you may be right about a person being their own god, but in the end it is always going to be us and other humans that decide our ultimate fate. I can tell you that Athiesism is not an illusion. To say such a thing would be to say that Christianity is an illusion as well. For you call one faith an illusion maybe yours is too.

Maybe Christianity is an illusion that only athiests see through. May it is all just an illusion, all of what we see in life is an illusion we refuse to see through. Maybe...

My morals J.L. are not based on anything but what other people, mostly Christians have taught me, and what I have learned for myself. Like faith I merely belive in them, weither I chose to follow though with it IS my chose. Just like someone who says they are Christian and refuse to go to church and read the bible. This goes along with your morals. You learned them from the bible but it was YOUR choice to follow them.

Not everyone here are Athiests, we have lycanithopes, pagans (wiccans rather), agnostics (they aren't sure if there is a God or any other high being), Anti-christs, and just plan weirdo's with some messed up religon or belife (like me). Yes Blu, heed the warning well. Becareful what you say, to avoid confrintaion just post in other areas, suerly you can find some forum on this site that you can belong to.

So, what made you decide to ultimately become Christian Blu? Why do you both it is a mixture of faith and fear. Do you fear your God? Is he not the just and kind ruler you thought him out to be? Why is this. Go ahead and post topics like "Why are you going to hell," only be sure to put them in the humor section and post some hummorous reason for why you would go to hell. ;)

Now let me give a quick summery of my belifes. I have spent much time searching and tring to figure this out for myself. I've started reading the bible and want to finish it, even though I view it as B.S. But in the bible I have found nothing more than hate and a pre-view of darwinism. Any one not Christian was under them, any one of a different color was under the white man, any woman was under her husband and had ot do these things or else she wouldn't fullfill her duty to repent for the sins of Eve and the much forgoten Lilithe (sp?) Adams FIRST wife and offen consistered the mother of the vampires. IN my searching I have found no God of any sort. I have found only lies in that religon. I have found a book created by a discrimitory man that most likely beat his wife and kids as well as owned many slaves which he also treated poorly. Don't deny the facts anylonger, reivaluate your posissions.

What I belive now is without a God. I am willing to belive only what I see, and God has not been seen, therefore I doubt He exists.

I do belive in only one thing that I can call an imortal. Look below you, you sit on her right now. We call her Earth. We should call her mother, for she is all nurturing. I know you will counter with God created the Earth, and by all means, do so, I'll attempt to counter that fact. Yet I still only think of the Earth as a imortal, she has been around for billions of years yet if not for human fault would be becoming more and more beautiful as each day passes. And I know some of this to be untrue, but quite a majority of those that difile her have a belife in God, many of those that didn't have much respect for her. Christians can't see that if God created her that she is a gift to us and must be taken care of.

Gaia (the Earth) is the only entity I will willingly belive in, she is no ture goddess do to the fact she will die when our sun goes out. She give us life and death. So maybe this is the only God there is, maybe Christianity is not a total lie after all. God is Gaia and Gaia is God. Maybe Jesus is Gaia's son just like we all are. He was nothing special, just had an over active imagination.

Ponder my words well, they may shed some light on some things. one more question, wasn't a serpent a tool of the devil, tis not very wise to use the devils tool now is it? ... oh btw. Blu, welcome to WW.com. Hope you enjoy your stay ;)

[BluStorm]

So, what made you decide to ultimately become Christian Blu? Why do you both it is a mixture of faith and fear. Do you fear your God? Is he not the just and kind ruler you thought him out to be? Why is this. Go ahead and post topics like "Why are you going to hell," only be sure to put them in the humor section and post

I was rasied christain. in instead of loving God as a friend. I was taught by the Cathoics to fear him as our master. After much toil and hardships. I've built a strong faith in him and though it was started by nessacry fear. it was strenghten by love and admiration.
;)

Blu Out.

[J.L.R.]

Thanks for the info Were-E-Wolf, but I know the answers to those questions. In fact I know a lot of things, but I take great care in how I say them, because saying them the wrong way, is worse than saying a staight out lie.


Facts are facts. We as humans are biased. Because we have biases, or perception of things are tainted, whether Christian or not. Our views of right and wrong differ based upon those biases, because right and wrong ARE moral questions, that makes every last human being on the face of the Earth, religious, because morality is a religious concept.

I want to argue your point, but alas, this isn't the thread for that, and right now my mind is not in the perfect state of mind to do so, and to argue unprepared, is like going to battle with out the right weapons and armor, however, when the time is right, I will answer for myself, but not right now.

[Thought]

I believe in a God. If for no other reason, because existence had to start somewhere. Scientists say this isn't the first universe (or some do anyway), but reality had to get it's start somewhere.

[8eyegoon]

does anyone beleive in god??

I am an atheist plain and simple.

J.L.R. should pay a little more attention to the title of the thread. Lycaon asked a simple question. Stating your belief seems to be what Lycaon's goal was. But you have not only turned it into a discussion but you impose your belief upon others and demand that no matter what they say there is in fact a god or God. Pardon my saying so but I see this as a very narrow minded way of approaching this topic. Once again I do not care the least if you state your beliefs or even question someone elses but demanding that what someone else is saying is wrong with no margin for discussion on your part is very narrowminded. The mind has an incredible processing power and memory. Along with this most humans can walk into a discussion such as this and at least look to learn something about what you argue or at the very least the person you argue with. I mean no offense by any of this but this is what I see here.

Back to the original message I have already stated that I am an atheist. Notice "atheist" is not capitalized. Atheist is just a word for not believing in or following any organized religion that most think of. I do not gather with others that think like me and talk about theist behind their backs nor do I use the word "atheist" often. It is just a simply one word explaination for how I think on the current subject.

[J.L.R.]

I am an atheist plain and simple.

J.L.R. should pay a little more attention to the title of the thread. Lycaon asked a simple question. Stating your belief seems to be what Lycaon's goal was. But you have not only turned it into a discussion but you impose your belief upon others and demand that no matter what they say there is in fact a god or God. Pardon my saying so but I see this as a very narrow minded way of approaching this topic. Once again I do not care the least if you state your beliefs or even question someone elses but demanding that what someone else is saying is wrong with no margin for discussion on your part is very narrowminded. The mind has an incredible processing power and memory. Along with this most humans can walk into a discussion such as this and at least look to learn something about what you argue or at the very least the person you argue with. I mean no offense by any of this but this is what I see here.

Back to the original message I have already stated that I am an atheist. Notice "atheist" is not capitalized. Atheist is just a word for not believing in or following any organized religion that most think of. I do not gather with others that think like me and talk about theist behind their backs nor do I use the word "atheist" often. It is just a simply one word explaination for how I think on the current subject.


And you haven't learned anything? ;)

I find the original question stupid. A. We already have a Religion at W.W. thread, and B. If you go by the definition in Webster's Dictionary, god, can not only be a diety, but something of great value, so thus ANYTHING can be a god. If King Lycoan had capitalized God, it would refference the Christian God, of which is a Yes or No question.

I have asked good questions. I have tried not to bring my religious views into it, and if you look at most of the replies I have gotten, they have been in good form as well. I am not hear to impose my beliefs, but get people thinking.

I did not say, you are WRONG, I am RIGHT, and leave it at that. I give a full page essay's worth of critical thinking material. However, you have not. It seems to me, that you are the one being narrowminded. It is okay if I say you are right, but because I say you are wrong, I shouldn't? However, you can say I am wrong, and it is fine...

Interesting...

[Fuzzy]

today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the weather.

god(in my opinion) is nothing more than an excuse. it is a way to ease guilt and remove responsibility from the shoulders of the burdend.
god is an escape from reality.

[J.L.R.]

today a young man on acid realized that all matter is merely energy condensed to a slow vibration. we are all one consciousness experiencing itself subjectively. Life is a dream and we are the imagination of ourselves. Heres Tom with the weather.

god(in my opinion) is nothing more than an excuse. it is a way to ease guilt and remove responsibility from the shoulders of the burdend.
god is an escape from reality.

Dude that is LSD, not god, well...then again... :D

[Xzengrim]

I am an aetheist, and I'm REALLY good at it. But much of this comes from that fact that I'm not really an aetheist per se. I just want to know the TRUTH. I don't care if that's Jesus, or Buddha, or Quetzalcoatl, or L Ron Hubbard or what. Whatever is the real and true origin of the universe, if it wants me to worship it, I'd do it. I can deal with that. Of course, at this point I have not seen evidence of ANY diety that is compelling enough to warrant placing a lifetime of devotion, work, and faith into it, so as far as I can tell, there is no god. I'm not an aetheist because I reject religion, I'm an aetheist because I don't see anything to worship.

And religious people should stop telling me to look into my heart for Jesus. I have had more evidence from the heart that I, Xzengrimus Xze, am transforming into an animal than that there is some kind of god who loves me. Likewise, the argument that everything has to come from somewhere is pretty irritating, because somehow nobody wonders where God came from. If God just always exists, why not energy?

Likewise, I'm a responsible person and I'm capable of not acting like a jackass *without* the threat of being melted. I have a conscience, and I want to be decent to people and make everyone happy, and I don't need some kind of fairy tale to tell me it's wrong to walk around hitting people with a hammer. I don't need a god to threaten me into behaving.

But anyways, I'll keep looking, and I have an open mind. But as far as I can tell, there is no god.

[LOBO REY]

Atheism is not about KNOWING wether there is or is not a god, its about what that person believes. That belief is not impossible in the slightest to hold. Telling us that it is impossible is pure arrogance.
So the faith there is no God, yet tellin' the God fearing your right. Faith in nothingness as opposed to faith in meaning. What is really better?

[Fuzzy]

i worship the amazing invisible pink unicorn. i have faith that it is a pink unicorn, and it is amazing because it is invisible.

[WhiteCrowUK]

i worship the amazing invisible pink unicorn. i have faith that it is a pink unicorn, and it is amazing because it is invisible.

Worship the unicorn for he is both pink and invisible - hallelujah! ;)

[Ves]

So the faith there is no God, yet tellin' the God fearing your right
Forcing your faith on others is wrong, regardless of whether that faith is that there is or isn't a God. Which is why I feel justified in beating Jehovahs Witnesses with a 2x4.

One thing I would say is don't believe that Atheism is the easy way out. Trying to hold a belief that once you die that's it, oblivion, isn't easy and many fail. Same goes for agnosticism.

I believe there is a God because on some level I can sense it. Actually I use the term God simply as it's all I know that nearly applies to what I can feel. What I sense is there's something out there and next to it, I am as a candle beside the Sun. Whether or not it's a god, or the God, or whatever, I have no idea, I just know it's powerful, and to an extent uncaring. My instincts also tell me I don't want to get its attention.

[DarkWolf]

Same goes for agnosticism.
Actually agnostics have it easy: we don't care about it.

*Agnostic*

[Aquilan]

Worship the unicorn for he is both pink and invisible - hallelujah! ;)

How can you tell if it is pink? It is BLUE unicorndammit!!

[Were-E-Wolf]

Bows down to to the invisible pink unicorn* All hail the invisible pink unicorn. All those who don't shall be ramed into by an invisible pink unicorn horn.

I think I'll agree with Ves that I wouldn't want to gain his attention, by Christian terms I live in the sin of lust and deserve to go to Hell. It is hard to say weither there is a God or not, I just don't belive things till I see it. Though I won't be surprised if J.L.R has seen something I haven't. Also I do agree about not forcing religon down on people, and I don't think J.L.R has been doing that and belive me, yah got me thinking.

Lobo Rey can you please restate your post, I don't understand what you are asking. Are you saying athiests tell those that belive in God that they are wrong. If this has anything to do with the fact that all I see in the bible are lies I will let you know that they are not all lies. There are two cities that did once exist and supposively so did Jesus, though I don't belive him to be the bastard (forgive my choice of words, but even if God was the father, He was not Mary's husband) son of God.

Though as much as we would all like to avoid making "Him" mad (which I may have already done in this post), we have the Great with us. If you haven't noticed someone with the name of god has joined us in the forum. I urge him only to be careful, weither he be God or not. Some people might not take your beliefs as well as others. I'll also let you know the word is spelled children, not chldren. Welcome to Werewolf.com, God.

[LycanSpectre]

Forcing your faith on others is wrong, regardless of whether that faith is that there is or isn't a God. Which is why I feel justified in beating Jehovahs Witnesses with a 2x4.

Amen to that! :p
*Also an Agnostic*

[Aquilan]

I'm so glad I'm the kind of Christian I am. (Presbyterian) We believe that you don't go to hell, because... well Jesus died for you. It doesn't matter if don't believe in God, kill people, steal stuff, or worship an invisible BLUE unicorn, you are goin' to heaven either way. This is NOT to say that you should do the above, just 'cause you will get away with it. I believe us humans can take care of the punishments.

Edit: Also, I am with Ves. Jahova whitnesses bite.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Forcing your faith on others is wrong.

True - in many religions the core is that God rejoices in people seeking him out of their own free will!

[Were-E-Wolf]

I do wonder why people say you go to hell for an eturnity if you sin, even the slightest. Is this just a way to scare people into being good? Why isn't it that we pay for our sins (let the punishment fit the crime) and then go to heaven, if we sin up there we are sent back to hell for a while? Also, why is Jesus sitting up in heaven with God and not in hell still paying for our sins? It all just seems odd to me, someone please clear this up.

[BluStorm]

Ummm no offense, but can the guy called god, change his name....it's kinda offesive. :mad:

[WhiteCrowUK]

Hey I have to just quote the ever so cool The Crow here ...

"Mother is the word for god on the mouths of little children..."

[Aquilan]

Don't you think three days in hell is enough? It only mentions hell a couple times in the bible, one of which was when Jesus dies. You see, that is when people STOPPED going to hell. (The people in hell were liberated... I suppose). As for sining in heaven, I don't think it is possible. I'd think the disire to would be cast off.

And as for god's name, he has a right, blasphemus as it is, there is nothing you can really do other than accept it. It is perturbing, but there is no use leading that horse to water. :shrug: He ain't drinkin' it.

[Were-E-Wolf]

'Cause yah all asked so nicely, I changed it ;) . I didn't mean the name to cause offence and never thought it to go against the bible or anything else. (Reminds people that Were E. Wolf is a she)

What is this three days thing? Is that how long he was down there? (Is currently reading the bible but hasn't gotten that far.) Who knows who would sin in Heaven, what one person does may be consitered okay by some but sin by others.

This should also lead to another question, you've stated that you belived in God, so how about the Devil, or Lucifer, what ever you wish to call him.

[Aquilan]

May I ask what you see as a sin? I think only sins that are obvious are sins. You know, like stealing or killing or cheating on your girlfriend. Or lying, for that matter. As for the Devil/Lucifer/The Beast/The fallen angel/Beezlebub, yeah, I believe that he exists. I'm not sure, but I think it went like this:

Satan: Didn't like the way God was running it.
God: Gave him hell, so he would shut up.

Once again, not sure. :shrug:


Edit: Also, what did you change that was so offensive? I musta' not cought it.

[Fuzzy]

i think yall missed the pink unicorn joke, i was being fasesious(shit, well i know that thats spelled wrong)

[McKitty]

sorry but that job is taken, but bless you all my chldern

Heh, you'd think that "god", since the being is supposed to be "All powerful" and "Perfect" could at least spell right.

[AlphaMale]

First, if I may be a little off topic: Fuzzy. You're avatar kicks ass! Aenima rules! Which do you like better, Aenima or Lateralus. :buttrock:

Ok, back to topic. When I look at and think about the wonders and splenders of the universe, I have a tough time telling myself it was all an accident. Who came up with that law, "things at rest tend to stay at rest unless acted on by an outside force and things in motion tend to stay in motion unless acted on by an outside force"? The universe is contantly in motion, but was it always so? If not, what outside force set it into motion?

Also, think about causality. Every effect has a cause. When you think about the very beginings of the universe, what was the first cause of the very first effect?

It is my opinion that the universe was designed by an intelligent being/entity/force/god/whatever. However, I do not think this entity fits the god of the bible, the torah, or the quran. I think that no religion has a monopoly on divine truth, but they each probably got a piece of it right.

[LV426]

**Pushes Cluich into the closet and locks the door**

Damn gods, always trying to get in on my territory.


Just ignore the man behind the door, I am the real god here.

[Sorrowsong]

'Cause yah all asked so nicely, I changed it ;) . I didn't mean the name to cause offence and never thought it to go against the bible or anything else. (Reminds people that Were E. Wolf is a she)

What is this three days thing? Is that how long he was down there? (Is currently reading the bible but hasn't gotten that far.) Who knows who would sin in Heaven, what one person does may be consitered okay by some but sin by others.

This should also lead to another question, you've stated that you belived in God, so how about the Devil, or Lucifer, what ever you wish to call him.

I am Satan.

[TalaTsume]

there is no one "God". there are many spirits and dieties that different people worship and different wys. this leads them down the path that they choose. i believe in choosing one's own path, not relying on religion to show you.