For witches, wiccans and whatever else you wanna be labeled...

[MorganaFang]

I not the most spiritual witch in the world but then again I am very spiritual, I've practiced many forms of the wiccan arts and have yet to really sink my fangs into more darker pagan rituals. Yet I've come to a conclusion that it isn't the label or the research that matters when it comes to this sort of stuff. Its all about the power and how you channel/focus it. The power is also diverse when it comes to people. I might emphasis that in no way in the world can curses unless done for the purest of reasons can work.

I notice that a lot of people when they "decide" they want to become wiccans or witches, they really take the stereotypical image all too seriously. Generally the image of a witch that is sold to you by the media. (coughcoughWillowcou gh) From my experience it takes more than a few chants and spells. What the power is all about is what is on the inside and what you truely believe it bugs me everyday how people exploit the witch image as being overly newage or overly goth. Because in the long run a witch can be compared to monks in the way that they are looking for divinity in themselves, trying bring out the god. So please take this into consideration before you go and label yourself something.

[DarkOmegaWolf]

I agree.
It doesn't just apply to Wiccan's either. To keep with the theme of this forum, take Therianthropes. Lots of people label themselves Therians just because they want to be part of something, or because they just like the stereotypical image of werewolves.
At the moment I'm just standing back from it all, and questioning if I really do belong to Therianthropy, or anything else for that matter....
Anyway, sorry for bringing in therianthropy so deeply into something really meant for other Wiccans.

"Do not judge others on images...wait for the inside to be revealed"

[MorganaFang]

I think you phrased it better than I did, but I think everyone needs to always get out side themselves for a while in order to really find who and what they really are. I consider myself a shapeshifter only because of certain talents I have and the balance I'm trying to find within myself for all aspects. I consider myself a "witch" because I try to gather inner power within myself in order to find connection with the rest of the world so I can "manipulate" my way through life. Not in the negative sense, just so things work.

[Nivek]

Labels are just that, labels. In order to wear on you do not have to live up to it. When one lives a label they usually don't use it.

[Wraywolf]

When people label themselves as something, that label is essentially true. We each exist in our private little mental world that incorporates our lives as the center of it all. In other words, the whole world and the entirety of existence rotates around our heads. People by default are very self-centered. This is good. Without that quality we would die. Caring about yourself makes sure you keep yourself from being trampled to death by other self centered humans.

For that reason, any thought we think is the truth in our own eyes because of the way we view the world. When we change our minds, we are doing the mental equivalent of playing god. The universe changes so that our view is always right, so, in retrospect, we are never actually wrong.

In brief, *drum roll* you are right in believing whatever you believe because you are the one believing it.
*Swallows his tongue and dies*

Wow, i'm like, smart or something. Kickass. :cool:

[DarkOmegaWolf]

In order to wear on you do not have to live up to it.

That's what I don't like about people...when they pretend to be something they aren't...

[Fleetfoot]

Just those tr00 w3r3's that hang around the place, annoying people going, 'OOOh look, I can shoot fireballs! I have speshial powerz'

Annoys me after a while.. :mad:
Hope none come snooping around here.

[MorganaFang]

Nicely Said Wraywolf. Even the lowest of the depressed people on this earth are "infatuated" with themselves in sense. Why else would they seek to express so much fault?
Its all just personal perception. But it is irksome dealing with those that think so differently and with less understanding. Course the human world is built on complete BS anyway, nothing matters here unless many people put the greatest emphasis into it. Oh boy gone and depressed myself again. Ugh what was my point with starting this post?

Well, I believe internally it was a way of voicing that I'm a witch and explaining I'll take no crap from those who only play the witch stereotype. But really I like the shift in direction away from that makes me look less big headed.

Everything is always debateable, there is no write or wrong unless the indivdual makes it that way. But sometimes there are actual limits of what we can think. Like for those who think they can cast curses on people simply by saying: "A pox upon you." These people have to realize its not going to happen no matter how much you will it. The only way I've seen actual curse work is when the reciever of that curse believes in it too. I think manipulation is evident here but now I'm starting to lose myself again...

[LV426]

So you are saying that all witches are sexy lesbians? Cause Willow is hot!

[Kishi-Garou]

Hey, i've seen Morgana's pic. O_O *wolf-whistle*

Anyways. Why are you a witch, and not simply a pagan?

Why did you chose rituals and magick over simply doing things?

*Deep theological person, don't take me for a fool who quotes old english*

If you think about it.. Magick is the art of conforming energy to will. Hmm. I want to grab that stick. *grabs the stick* I just willed myself to conform my body to spend the energy to grab it. Thus, life is magick. Simply.
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[MorganaFang]

Hey, i've seen Morgana's pic. O_O *wolf-whistle*

Anyways. Why are you a witch, and not simply a pagan?

Why did you chose rituals and magick over simply doing things?

*Deep theological person, don't take me for a fool who quotes old english*

If you think about it.. Magick is the art of conforming energy to will. Hmm. I want to grab that stick. *grabs the stick* I just willed myself to conform my body to spend the energy to grab it. Thus, life is magick. Simply.
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Actually what you are saying I believe in, I don't believe in the spells and rituals. Meditation is pretty much all I do. But I call myself a witch because in olden times witches were simply women of power through knowledge and lack of male strength. I could give you a better answer but I'm fried right now.

[Kishi-Garou]

Well thats all and good.

Just don't go around saying blessed be, because most wiccans don't mean it. :shrug:

[SoulScream]

What about the wiccans who do mean it? I've been known to say it from time to time in rituals.

[Kishi-Garou]

Ah. But How do you mean it?

You can bless anything. But what does it really mean?

:shrug:

[Kaz Trueblood]

Ah. But How do you mean it?

You can bless anything. But what does it really mean?

:shrug:
Technicalities. I am by no means a Wiccan, but now you're just being difficult, Kishi. :rolleyes: Give the people a break...You should know the difference between people who mean what they say, and people who don't.

There's no reason to be disagreeable towards people who are just trying to be agreeable.

[Kishi-Garou]

Of course i'm being difficult!!
How can anyone learn anything, if I was easy on them?

Anyways. Ritual is not something you can learn, and make perfect harmony with. It is rare when you do, actually. Ritual is something you find in yourself, and then do. Those cookbooks for a teenage witch, are just novelties being sold to rebellious christian children.

I've always wondered why they do what, in what ritual. You know I figured it out. Somewhere along the line, someone said, fine, i'm going to do THIS to symbolize what i'm doing. The Athame really doesn't direct energy, unless you put energy into it and make it that way. Dipping something in oil, really doesn't do anything but make it stinky. Now what it means to yourself and others when you do it, is WHY you do it. Not literally dipping it in oil, or holy water.

So yes, I am being difficult. Why do you have to bless things, when everything is already divine by wiccan perspective? Eh? I've wondered that. You really don't need spells in every day life. Everything you do is magick anyways. Rituals and green candles and bongoes to gain money really doesn't gain money. You going out and getting a bloody job gets money. :D Yes, I can criticize. I went through the state of questioning wicca. I read all about the damn thing. I've read about witchcraft, wicca, shamanism, buddhism, taoism, satanism, christianity, and other stuff. I've called myself something, and thought, "You know what. I am no witch. That's just Horse Crap."

I am Kishi, thoroughly. Nothing else.

[SoulScream]

No, your quite right. Personally though I like using certain tools and items and ceremonies because they help me focus more on the energy and intent. There are many things I am able to do without the tools since working and directing certain energy has become second nature to me, there are still some things I have to learn ^_^ Green candles and bongos wont get you a job, that's correct. But while I'm out job searching every day, coming home and meditating whith some candles and specific incense usually helps me focus on being determined to pound the pavement everyday :cool:

[MorganaFang]

:DHey brushing your teeth is a ritual, heh so is showering... Actually screw the blessed be stuff, if I really hold desire for a person to be blessed, I just leave the room, heh.

Ok so I'm less fried today let me see if I can explain my witchiness. No I don't see myself as wiccan because typical wiccans do use all the crud. But as I said when I last read about a wiccan they were consider youthful women wise before the autum end of the cycle. (Wise being know of death) I consider myself a witch because I'm looking for the magic in myself with the "natural" magic of whats around me. Yesh I charms and Yesh I've done spells but they are only in efforts to move something within myself. I'm acceptant of that the world isn't my way.

[Lost_Killer]

Wiccans?..... HHhmmm....

I can not accept the white-light religions as religions of worshipping nature, because they don’t accept the nature as the way it is.

[Kishi-Garou]

What do you mean White Light Religions?

Mine is red. Yes. Red. Red and Black and Yellow and White.

I don't believe in black and white religions. Doves are good meals, though.

Anyways. Focusing yourself is really what those GD spells are about. You didn't disappoint me, which is good.

[Kirin Fenrir]

I got to this post late. Damn.

Anywho, first off...I think I've been everything. I went through a long time where I called myself Christian, then Buddust(sp?), then Wiccan, then Witch because I thought Wiccan was a cowardly way to say it, then Christain again...aw hell.

The point is...MY BELIEFS NEVER CHANGED. My eventual conclusion was that I was only changing the label upon myself, which in the end wasn't really changing anything at all. I've settled on the term "druid"(it's much shorter than my previous "Therian Christian-Witch), and that seems to work just fine. I have this idea that it doesn't matter what the details of my beliefs are as long as they're true in my heart.

I am a wolf. In body? I've a fuzzy tummy, but of course not. Am I a reincarnation? Dunno, but I'd have to say probably not. So what then? Why do I call myself a wolf? Just because it's what I feel is right. When i say it, it's with confidance, and I honestly believe the words coming from my mouth.

I dislike people who are stuck on the details. This applies to many Christians and Wiccans I have met. If you don't follow the EXACT rules, you're wrong, according to them. I'm glad they've figured it all out for me. I actaully admit that I haven't.

In the end...human beings lack the capacity to fully understand their universe...so who can ever say what is "right" or "wrong"? Our instincts and emotions are the only hints that God(or whoever) gave us...so let's learn to use them a bit more as a people.

...

This was supposed to be in reply to someone's comment, but I've flown off topic. Ah well; I hope I made sense at the very least.

[Kishi-Garou]

The only true wisdom is in knowing you know nothing.-Socrates.

I just love making people angry who think they know. :p

[SoulScream]

I'm sorry, did I read that right? White lighter? Um........watch the show Charmed much? Good show. But hardly a credit to what wicca and paganism ect... are.

Eh. Anyways...Um. I forget what I was going to type. :shrug:

[MorganaFang]

*grunt* White light and wiccan is supposed to be two different things. Besides wiccan breaks into many different forms, the most commonly practiced where I live is not to do anything with nature other than observe it and draw energy from it.

[SoulScream]

I don't believe in that whole "white magick" "black magick" whatever stuff. Magick is neither, only the intent can be tossed into "good" and "bad" categories. it's all based on if what you are trying to do is going to have posive or negative results and what kind of energy you are trying to work with and harvest.

[Lost_Killer]

Black magick does not have only negative results, and white magick does not have always plosive results. Black magicians are not some bad guys who they want to hurt everyone, and white magicians are attempt to hurt no one, but that they can not abide with that always.

[Lost_Killer]

I See wiccans more as feminists than anything else, they looking more in the female sides of gods, the 80% of wiccans are woman’s, and the 20% (only “god” know what they are)

They don't harm anyone (anything), right? But they use the energy of the elements without asking them if they want to give it to them, they harm them in that way.

[Kicker]

Just those tr00 w3r3's that hang around the place, annoying people going, 'OOOh look, I can shoot fireballs! I have speshial powerz'

Annoys me after a while.. :mad:
Hope none come snooping around here. :banghead:


I agree...i mean, i roleplay, but at the same time, i understand that being a Contheriantrope is not a game....and i'm not nutz either.
i Mean, Damn, if you want that, go to a roleplaying site or summat...not to a place like here where we're all trying to be damn serious about what we are.
and with that, i shall now drown myself in a glass of Milk.AND ANOTHER THING! just so's ya Know, i be da great and not so powerful Follower of Loki, the Trickster.....laters . :buttrock: :notworthy

[Kishi-Garou]

I see Wicca as being a religion that most call themselves, and then go on later to something else.

I find that people raised in the religion actually do better by understanding, just like those who are raised in Christianity understand better. Or, they just know.

Make your own religion. Call it Me-Ism. Don't follow anyone else, make your own path for others to follow.

BUT DON'T GO RECRUITING!

[MorganaFang]

:drool:*in zombie voice* I will worship kishi....

[SoulScream]

I See wiccans more as feminists than anything else, they looking more in the female sides of gods, the 80% of wiccans are woman’s, and the 20% (only “god” know what they are)

They don't harm anyone (anything), right? But they use the energy of the elements without asking them if they want to give it to them, they harm them in that way.

I don't know about everyone else into wicca and such, but I believe men and women are equal and that in truth the universe and higher being don't really have a gender in the way we percieve, but rather, energies that can be described as "masculine" and "feminine".

And who says we don't ask? I know I do. And if the energy I require isn't available then obviously the elements and my environment don't want to assist me. Harm none. :cool:

[Shaggy_Wendigo]

... I believe that will, being Free agency, has more to do with the good/ evil "conspiracy" than natural existence. One is born into an "Evil" category, be it the wolven thing because a lot of people view it badly, and suddenly Ooooh EVIL OOGULY BOOGULY You're a bad bad woofie... Nope, on the contrary. It's like racism. One bad person can ruin it for everyone else that falls in with them just because they're an idiot? How fair is that? Evil and good are indeed intent-based. You can draw only positive energy from mom, but if you wish to harm with that energy, you're 1. Stupid and 2. Free to do as you please... to a limit, of course. But with good intent, just beause you come into life a certain thing that is known for evil deeds does not mean you yourself are only capable of said evil things. Set ones course to follow the road trodden in truth and righteousness, for light and shade shall fall where it will, but you walk your own way down that path.

[Shaggy_Wendigo]

Morgana, I have a question. I'm only now beginning to study Wicca, mostly rites at night and the energy that which the moon can shed, but I was wondering if there is anything extensive you might know about Lilith, in the aspect of her being the first wife of Adam, or otherwise. I hope you can help me, as it would be so greatly appreciated. Blessed be.

[SoulScream]

Don't mind me, poking my nose in. Lilith is a topic I've found most people are evasive of. i'm not sure why. But from what I've found so far there is the stories of her being Adam's first wife and others that pin her as the mother of all demons.

[Shaggy_Wendigo]

As far as Im aware of, she's both. Creater and mother to all succubi and incubi and maybe more... But she was the first woman, didn't wanna do it ala missionary style, got ticked off and flew away on her very own set of wings granted her due to yada yada yada... lotsa things... Has anyone ever heard of Lilitu? What sorta deity is she?

[SoulScream]

Wings? I didn't hear that part. But it was basicly the same. She was Adam's first wife, made the same way as him, from the earth, and refused to be submissive and wanted to be treated equal so she was "cast out" from eden....

[Kishi-Garou]

:drool:*in zombie voice* I will worship kishi....

Be careful there, I might just make some koolade...

[Kishi-Garou]

Don't mind me, poking my nose in. Lilith is a topic I've found most people are evasive of. i'm not sure why. But from what I've found so far there is the stories of her being Adam's first wife and others that pin her as the mother of all demons.

Lilith was Adam's first wife. She was kinda freaky, so god didn't want his precious 'Son' to be freaked up all the time. When she was banished, she made love to animals, and created demons and monsters and the like. No one talks about her, mainly because I think she is catholic belief, but, she is still pretty freaky.

Anyways.. Maow?

[MorganaFang]

Wahoo... We've come upon one of my favorite women of myth. Everything has said the other stuff about her already but did you also know that is some tails Lilith ran off with Eve? I'm not quite so clear on the whole story but I know that eventually being the true nature of a woman Eve became restless and tire of her never maturing partner (meaning Eve had past menopause and now saught divine love without purely the physical, lilith had reach this awareness early but remained forever fertile, I believe). Anywho Eve left Adam, and so Adam bedded his slave girl. Mind you I've only heard this story once so it could be quite inaccurate but I still like it.
(btw: my book says the lilith stories have origins with hebrew horror stories)
Also heres an interesting thing, lilith might not only been the first wife of Adam but may have also had connections to the great horned god. Again I'm not clear on all that.

[Lost_Killer]

I don't know about everyone else into wicca and such, but I believe men and women are equal and that in truth the universe and higher being don't really have a gender in the way we percieve, but rather, energies that can be described as "masculine" and "feminine".

And who says we don't ask? I know I do. And if the energy I require isn't available then obviously the elements and my environment don't want to assist me. Harm none. :cool:

Actually, you are taking it without asking, but as you wish, harm no one, so don’t eat meat, that way you will not harm the animals.

[MorganaFang]

Now theres a touchy subject for me, I believe in following the animal's examples and being a preditator. Need meat meat good :droolbloo (no innuendo intended)

[SoulScream]

Indeed. Meat is goooooooood :droolbloo I don't belive in needless killing or killing for sport. Carnivors and killing for food is part of the natural world. Cows are being bred and slaughtered for food for the masses, so it would be a waist not to eat it. I'm very grateful for the meat and the cows and it's sad to know they are being killed....but damnit steak is good! Nummy :9

[Lost_Killer]

Do what thou wilt as you harm no one.

A part of the natural world it’s to harm for your survival

[Kishi-Garou]

I believe trees and plants are harmed when you eat them.

So bloody quit complaining, you have to consume to live.

*Kishi is rampaging right now*

[Kaz Trueblood]

I believe trees and plants are harmed when you eat them.

:: Suddenly has a vision...Thousands of cabbages, brussles, carrots...Tomatoes, oregano, mushrooms...Soon to be bushels of rice and wheat...All suddenly looking up and seeing impending doom fall upon them...Suddenly scream, "NOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!" ::

:: Collapses in a heap of laughter ::

[SoulScream]

*giggles madly at Kaz's vision*

:D

I'm sorry Kishi, but that was funny.

[Xzengrim]

Grim does not believe in moderating his diet, and so he's pretty much carnivorous. He eats a lot of junk, and then goes into a period where all he can eat or drink is red meat and water. Mmmm... cleansing. Not on purpose, of course, just good anyway.
Yeah, I admit that cows are hurt and sad when you eat them. But who cares? Screw them, I've got enough of my own problems to worry about. Have to eat... cows are good...

[Shaggy_Wendigo]

::Huggles Morgana:: You're so cool, thankee! I knew you'd know!

[Kishi-Garou]

:D yeah, I was fucking pissed at the time I wrote that.

Anyways.. That is funny. :p

[Quicksilver]

Quite simply... before you can talk about "wicca..or witches"
You need to get a serious perspective on the "opposing forces" Namely Christianity... now I am not against christianity..or wicca... but in the christian bible there are several warnings against the uses of MAGIC. Now, I dare any of you to ask a priest if the bible is 100% true. Chances are they will say yes. Well, that brings us to a simple conclusion... magic IS real. Following on the bible.. in the New testament it blatantly states that the holy spirit gives young men the ability of insight or "premonitions".. and women the ability to "discern spirits" or see ghosts.
So.. is it wrong to conclude that spirits, magic, and psychic abilities are true? Well if christianitie's bible is 100% true... then no.. it isn't wrong..
But if a priest disagrees with that statement.. does that make the whole book up for debate?? (sorry to stray..but I have an intense hatred for factioned religion)
so... summing up... Magic.. spirits.. and psychic ability is REAL... well.. if you are a believer in christianity :)

(OH BTW I am sorry for the abruptness of the post..but I wanted to get feedback)

[Kishi-Garou]

Actually, there was a misconception in the translation, it doesn't mean witch, it means poisoner. People who use their own power, whether metaphysical or physical, to harm others is simply not right.

So, Christianity was good way back when, before it hit the bandwagon.

[Ahroun]

Off topic to LycanthropicHowl

So you are saying that all witches are sexy lesbians? Cause Willow is hot!

Willow hot??? :eek:
I am hetero, but only for Angelina Jolie i would consider a good thinking.
Who knows would be a good Initiation ritual...

Ahroun

Willow hot...tzzzzzzz

[dark_wolf681]

:cool: hi all im new to my new spiritual abilitys and i was wondering , is there any way to strengthin me physically?

[dark_wolf681]

hey all im new to my spiritual abilitys and i was wondering , is there a way to strengthen me physically? :cool:

[Whystler]

Hey, i've seen Morgana's pic. O_O *wolf-whistle*


If you think about it.. Magick is the art of conforming energy to will. Hmm. I want to grab that stick. *grabs the stick* I just willed myself to conform my body to spend the energy to grab it. Thus, life is magick. Simply.
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Magic has been mistook throughout the ages to mean the manifestation of physical energy to invoke physical change. It is, in fact, quite different. Magic and alchemy are concerned with the rousing of inner personal energy to invoke inner personal change. It's not about floating pencils. It's about changing perception, which admittedly can lead to physical things like better health and more positive relationships.

-Whystler

[Quicksilver]

Magic has been mistook throughout the ages to mean the manifestation of physical energy to invoke physical change. It is, in fact, quite different. Magic and alchemy are concerned with the rousing of inner personal energy to invoke inner personal change. It's not about floating pencils. It's about changing perception, which admittedly can lead to physical things like better health and more positive relationships.

-Whystler
I realise that you are new.. but maybe you could post closer to the subjects and topics now being discussed?

[Warbyrd13]

Willow is hot or at least to me but its not becasue she is a "lesbian" :buttrock: Personaly the way her charecter was potrayed as a wiccan and how she dumped her boyfriend after he left to control the beast was pretty bad. Considering he killed another werewolf to save her. And went to learn to control himself so he could be with her.

Not all women who become into the craft or take a path in paganism become lesbians, bi or the men become gay. Depending on what path, group of dietys really depends on the person and or what they want to be able to do. Indians have thier reglious beliefs, you have buddism ect but what most people forget there are many paths that lead to the same road which is in the after life every one wants to be happy and have peace. And normaly their is evil in tha area becasue of free will people have committed some heinous crimes against other people becasue of differant skin color, relgious beliefs(holy wars the dumbest concept ever created) ect.

But who knows maybe we as a race will actualy learn to do something else other than destroy.

[fadingmoon]

So Far I believe that whystler guy hit closest on what "magik" is,Inner energy Some cultures called it Chi, as for wicca In my view wicca is a religon based on nature,balance the persons mind first..then physical I don't have much time too talk on the subject right now, but I was readin the posts n they caught me eye,I've practiced Celtic wicca for some time now,also studied demonology n angelology,as for physic ablities magik yeh it is real as a matter of fact everyone has physic abblites too some extent jus learning too focus n control through knowledge,after all knowledge is the key too everythin..for christainty christianity isnt so different from wicca, legens n storys are simliar in some cases. like I said not much time too talk bout it though jus given my 2 cents.

fadingmoon

[kat]

fadingmoon, please do not resurrect zombie threads.