Morally corrupt

[LV426]

In reviewing most moral standards people consider having sex with animals to be morally corrupt. Mostly the reason they believe so is because, well it is an animal and many people find the idea of having sex with a dog, cat, chicken, horse, or other animal to be rather disgusting. But the question here is why? Why is it repugnant that one thinks of lesser animals as being disgusting bed partners and yet they will sleep with other humans which can be, as, if not more, disgusting.


In fact just a bit of yesterday it was considererd morally wrong to have sex with someone not of the same ethnicity on the grounds that they were nothing more than animals. Specifically this was frowned upon in the southern united states and in some other countries. A different skin color meant that you were viewed as less than human. And yet with time this idea has evolved and changed into recognizing all races and skin colors as being humans. Some still have a tendency to profess a racist attitude and condemn those who have interracial relationships and children but over all they are viewed as being acceptable and as the same species.

So what is it that humans fear about other animals, animals that are a different species? Why are they so inferior that it is morally corrupt to love them?



****please note I do not condone nor participate in any sex with animals and do not advise having relationships with your dog. This is hypothetical******

[Sepsis]

Hmm. It's worthy of discussion.
I think that *love* with an animal is not wrong... (I'm not crazy)
If this is not an act of violate on it, of course. (So what else?)
I think people are racists in any case on any kind.
*jumps on floor and tries to avoid your lashes into strong language*

[DeadDoll]

Mmm... I think most people view it as morally wrong because when they think of human on animal *love* they assume that the animal doesn't enjoy it because it can't verbally consent. I think. Maybe. I'm not too sure. Eh forget it.

[Sepsis]

Yeah, I agree. Why does animal can't enjoy it?
Remember Katherine of Russia ? :)

[LycanSpectre]

Remember Katherine of Russia ? :)

No...

Anyway, I tend to go with the "whatever floats your boat" approach. I may not want to sex up my dog, but I have no right to stop someone else from doing it (with their dog. Dont even touch my dog.) because I find it disgusting.

[Sepsis]

(Czarina Katherine II of Russia. Some History, eh?)

I understand your disgust (weird)
I don't want to do with my dog, I don't want to do with anybody, with your dog neither :p
I just trying to say that people who want to do it, can do it and I am not angry or something. Of course only if animal is happy :)

[Hellcat]

I don't think love has a damned thing to do with it. I love my dog and she's devoted to me (really, she is), but that isn't going to make me jump into bed with her 1) she's female 2) she's a dog.

Ask yourselves why you wouldn't have sex with a dog. You might come up with a more logical answer


For me I find the concept repulsive, it has nothing to do with my morals. I think it has more to do with personal taste, and nature. Imagine the human species as a mere animal, completely stripped of evolutionized society and morals. Man lives to fuck and fight. Mating with an animal of a different species would serve no biological purpose. It is a common fact two animals of a different genre cannot produce fertile offspring. What would be the purpose of shagging another animal (unless it is of the same genre in which case there is a possibilty of producing fertile young)? To mate with an animal of the same species is more likely to guarentee fertile young and thus pass on your genes. Of course amongst all this fighting there are going to be a few losers and these will probably be men (this isn't a sexist remark). They can't mate because the females are paired up either in one-to-one relationships or as part of a harem. What then? There's a poor old bloke desperate to get his rocks off, but he can't because he isn't tough enough to fight and win his right to mate so maybe he'll try it on with another animal. Even now, the principles of mating are deeply embedded. You can't reproduce with a non human, hence most humans a repulsed by the concept of shagging an animal. The same concept applied with homosexuality. It was considered morally wrong, the morals of which probably evolved from the embedded concept that you cannot reproduce with a member of the same sex. Now we are opening up to homosexuality and accepting it as part of society. The big difference between homosexuality and bestiality is that a human can tell you whether or not they want to participate in a sexual relationship with you. An animal generally can't.

This day in age we have morals, and one of those is that we don't mate with animals. Because it is seen as socially wrong, it suddenly drops into the world of fantasy- some people fantasise about such things along with rape which is also seen as morally wrong (as well as illegal). Some people will even go ahead and put their fantasies into reality simply because of the excitement of doing something naughty, or just for the chance of getting caught in the act.

[Sepsis]

1) I am female 2)my dog's a female :p

[LV426]

No...

Anyway, I tend to go with the "whatever floats your boat" approach. I may not want to sex up my dog, but I have no right to stop someone else from doing it (with their dog. Dont even touch my dog.) because I find it disgusting.
Catherine the Great, had a tendency to visit the studs in the stables. And no I don't mean the grooms or stable boys. Stallions only.

[DeadDoll]

Hehe. Eeww...

[wolf_feahters]

Honestly, I think it's more in the instinct then anything else.

A wolf and a dog can mate and produce ofspring. A wolf and coyote can do the same. A human and dog/wolf/cat/horse can't. Perhap's in old times (minator), but in this day and age, nope.

So, human's had to think of way's for them to feel better. Animals are lesser creatures (even though dolphin's have a higher IQ), so we shouldn't mate.

Simmalar to some realigon's take on not eating certain meats. It wasn't because they were "dirty", but because of what they eat, and the scracity of them.

[LycanSpectre]

Catherine the Great, had a tendency to visit the studs in the stables. And no I don't mean the grooms or stable boys. Stallions only.


Didn't Nero have something for the horses as well?

[DarkWolf]

Honestly, I think it's more in the instinct then anything else.

A wolf and a dog can mate and produce ofspring. A wolf and coyote can do the same. A human and dog/wolf/cat/horse can't. Perhap's in old times (minator), but in this day and age, nope.

So, human's had to think of way's for them to feel better. Animals are lesser creatures (even though dolphin's have a higher IQ), so we shouldn't mate.

Simmalar to some realigon's take on not eating certain meats. It wasn't because they were "dirty", but because of what they eat, and the scracity of them.
Most of the people I know dislike beastiality not because it makes them feel better... but simply because they prefer their own race and realise that if they were the animal, they wouldn't like the same treatment.

And dolphins have a high IQ, but not "higher IQ" - in the context of your paragraph it seems as if you states dolphins had a higher IQ than man. They do not.

But then IQ means little. It is harder to ascertain the IQ of a different animal, because we view IQ from a human standpoint. It could well be all animals have equal intelligence, simply forms of designed more specifically and relative to their ways of life. As humans we rate our IQ from written tests, multiple choice, and general knowledge. These cannot be applied to a creature with a different brain, a body designed for different method of life, and physical differences as well as a great impairment in learning our own knowledge and techniques.

In conclusion a comparison of human and other animal IQ means absolutely nothing and is completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.

[Hellcat]

Honestly, I think it's more in the instinct then anything else.

A wolf and a dog can mate and produce ofspring. A wolf and coyote can do the same. A human and dog/wolf/cat/horse can't. Perhap's in old times (minator), but in this day and age, nope.

So, human's had to think of way's for them to feel better. Animals are lesser creatures (even though dolphin's have a higher IQ), so we shouldn't mate.

Simmalar to some realigon's take on not eating certain meats. It wasn't because they were "dirty", but because of what they eat, and the scracity of them.

A wolf and Dog can successfully breed because they belong to the same family (canidae) and they are of the same genus "Canis". This means that they are more closely related to each other than they are with say cats. A European Wild cat Felis sylvestris and any domestic cat Felis cattus could also succesfully breed because they also share the same family (Felidae) and the same Genus (Felis). In theory, two animals of different species, but share the same genus can sucessfully breed, whereas to different species who also differ in genus cannot successfully breed, and if they do manage to create offspring these are usually infertile. Hence a human and a dog could not have a successful breeding, thus is serves no purpose (other than to satisfy a lust of some animal) to make love to an animal of a different species, unless you share the same genus.

[Thought]

Another thing to think about is, how many animals have any desire to have sex with a human. It might not be as big of deal for a woman to have sex with her doberman, but what about the guy with a frech poodle. I mean, I hate poodles, but i'd never wish for her to have to take a human penis inside her, that would her, and could be lethal.

[ThrasherCub]

Well me, personaly, I'm put off by the lack of love felt between a human and an animal. I know you say you're dog loves you, I bet it doesn't love you in a romantic way. Of course, I realize that love doesn't have any connection to sex for some people. That's youre choice.
I feel about beastiality the way I feel about human sexuality - whatever concenting adults* wish to do is fine with me, so long as it is not terribly self destructive**.
If you can get your dog to concent, then it's clean by me.


*Adult has nothing to do with how many years you've been alive. It's when you have the ability to think and reason like an adult. I've been an adult since I was fourteen, my 42 year old aunt has failed to ever become an adult.... And the best her husband has been able to do is reach 30 years of being 13.
**I draw the line at cutting near major arteries. If you want to whip someone or cut someone or bite someone or anything else like that, fine. Don't cut someone off from food or drink, don't choke or drown someone, do not leave large permanent scars, and do not kill animals. People get off on all of those, and some of them are clearly not worth it. I'm sorry. Get another fetish.

[Nightmare GenoReaper]

Peopl have all sorts of fetishes. Being tied up, sleeping with the dead, rape, sleeping with demons and animals.

Guess it has always been a latent desire, just like killing your father and sleeping with your mother may seem repelling to you, but that didn't stop Oedipus Rex did it?

[MorganaFang]

Peopl have all sorts of fetishes. Being tied up, sleeping with the dead, rape, sleeping with demons and animals.

Guess it has always been a latent desire, just like killing your father and sleeping with your mother may seem repelling to you, but that didn't stop Oedipus Rex did it?
Course Oedipus Rex, wasn't of the knowledge of what he had done till he was well into middle age and had a few children, then with the new knowing of his incest, cut out his eyes while his bridemother hung herself. Lets all just assume Oedipus was sick because an Austrian crack addict uses him as a mental disorder. Yet the word being unconscious mental disorder. These days people with fetishes do what they do of a disorder, but most are conscious because they act on it. Poor Old Oedipus...

[orange camelion]

if nothing ealse it is also against the bible,if that matters to any of you

[LV426]

if nothing ealse it is also against the bible,if that matters to any of you


That argument would be for the religion forum, this is the philosophy forum.