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LV426
04-29-2004, 09:50 PM
Student letter warns against Cheney 'diatribe' (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/students.cheney/index.html)
Veep criticized for earlier speech
Thursday, April 29, 2004 Posted: 7:43 PM EDT (2343 GMT)


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Vice President Dick Cheney's speech Monday at a Missouri college was criticized by the school's president.

(CNN) -- A group of students at Florida State University is demanding that FSU's president ask Vice President Dick Cheney not to attack Sen. John Kerry or make a "political diatribe" Saturday when delivers the school's commencement address.

The demand comes after Cheney used a speech Monday at Westminster College in Fulton, Missouri to sharply criticize the presumptive Democratic nominee's record, including votes against funding various weapons programs during his two decades in the Senate.

In a letter to FSU President Thomas Wetherell, the students characterized Cheney's speech in Missouri as "a nasty, personal attack" which "had no place in an official university setting."

The effort was organized by Tom Barcus, a member of FSU's College Democrats, and signed by about 130 people. The school is in Tallahassee, Florida.

"We strongly urge you to seek assurances that his speech will not be another political diatribe aimed only at scoring points in the presidential campaign," the students wrote. "The graduation ceremony should be the culmination of students' time at the university and a chance to celebrate accomplishments with friends and family."

"It would be unfortunate if that day were besmirched by personal attacks -- either direct or indirect -- against candidates for public office."

Responding to the letter at Wetherell's request, Mary Coburn, the university's vice president for student affairs, assured the students in an e-mail that Cheney's speech to graduates on Saturday will not be political.

"From the beginning of our discussions with the vice president's office, we have been repeatedly assured that this will not be a political speech," Coburn said. "We have also reviewed other graduation speeches that he has given, and they have not been political."

Unlike the speech at Westminster, where Cheney was invited to discuss foreign policy, "politics is not the purpose of the FSU speech," she said.

After Cheney's speech in Missouri, the president of Westminster College, Fletcher Lamkin, sent an e-mail to students, faculty and staff saying he "was surprised and disappointed" that Cheney had resorted to "Kerry-bashing" in his address. The Kerry campaign then distributed Lamkin's critical e-mail in a press release.

"We had only been told the speech would be about foreign policy," wrote Lamkin, who invited Kerry to come to the college to issue a rebuttal. Kerry is due to speak at Westminster on Friday.

In their letter to Wetherell, the FSU students asked him to "publicly ask the vice president to disavow such attacks before Saturday" because, "as we have seen, private assurances from the vice president's office are not a reliable guarantee."

The White House has defended Cheney's speech, insisting that his critique of Kerry's record on national security was not a personal attack, but rather an accurate analysis of the positions he has taken through the years as a senator.

LycanSpectre
04-30-2004, 10:53 AM
I agree that graduation ceremonies should not be used as a political soapbox, no matter if Cheney had permission to do so or not. Graduation day is supposed to be about the success of the students, not the flaws of one's political opponent. If I were one of those students whose commencement speech had been abused like that, I know it would predjudice me against voting for the speaker's party. Perhaps permanatly.

No one likes being used.

WhiteCrowUK
04-30-2004, 10:58 AM
Cheney used to be the CEO of the company I work for - so I'm not surprised.

I agree that graduation ceremonies should not be used as a political soapbox, no matter if Cheney had permission to do so or not. Graduation day is supposed to be about the success of the students, not the flaws of one's political opponent. If I were one of those students whose commencement speech had been abused like that, I know it would predjudice me against voting for the speaker's party. Perhaps permanatly.

No one likes being used.

Yeah - its a very negative thing to do. With a bit of spin however it COULD have been a "hey you are going out to the big world, and if voted in the Republican party will help you because ...". Much more positive.

LycanSpectre
04-30-2004, 11:11 AM
Yes, it could have, very easily. Cheney missed that opportunity, and pissed off alot of people instead.

I still think that (from the student's perspective) it would have been best to leave politics out of it completly, and just focus on the students. I think that any attempt at po litical maneuvering would have doomed him in someone's eyes, since College campuses are such diverse political and socio-economic melting pots.

blueeyes
04-30-2004, 12:38 PM
Full Text : http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/04/20040426-8.html
</end non-political mode>

Nice to know someone who seems pretty liberal to me (look at the school's website) considers themselves against political manipulation. You would think they'd have a bit of preparation for a VP right during the ad season in one of the more hotly debated states, although I guess someone who considers themselves middle-ground, possibly a little conservative (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/29/students.cheney/index.html) might not have expected it.

Really unintelligent move, horrible to the graduates, and not useful.

Oh well. They got past it. Not only has Lamkin invited Kerry to have a response at the college, he also sent out papers to each and every student and faculty chastising the political move.

I'll just leave this with the Florida University view on things...
"FSU, FSU, where the women are women, and the men are too."
(The people who said that did not mean it as a compliment.)

chriz
04-30-2004, 12:50 PM
Of course, when Kerry uses the same opportunity to critize Bush (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/30/fri/), no one complains.

Kerry's address will focus on Iraq, and since Saturday is the anniversary of President Bush's nationally televised speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq, it's a safe bet that the senator from Massachusetts won't have words of praise for the administration's handling of the war effort.

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"We stand on the eve of an anniversary in this country -- the day that major combat operations were declared over in Iraq and the president declared, 'Mission accomplished,' " Kerry is expected to tell the crowd in the same Westminster gymnasium where both Churchill and Cheney spoke. (While not actually uttering the words "mission accomplished" then, Bush stood under a banner with that phrase and said that "the United States and our allies have prevailed.")

LV426
04-30-2004, 12:59 PM
Of course, when Kerry uses the same opportunity to critize Bush (http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/04/30/fri/), no one complains.

Kerry's address will focus on Iraq, and since Saturday is the anniversary of President Bush's nationally televised speech declaring an end to major combat in Iraq, it's a safe bet that the senator from Massachusetts won't have words of praise for the administration's handling of the war effort.

...

"We stand on the eve of an anniversary in this country -- the day that major combat operations were declared over in Iraq and the president declared, 'Mission accomplished,' " Kerry is expected to tell the crowd in the same Westminster gymnasium where both Churchill and Cheney spoke. (While not actually uttering the words "mission accomplished" then, Bush stood under a banner with that phrase and said that "the United States and our allies have prevailed.")


Kerry was actually invited to WC after Cheney bashed him so that Kerry has a chance to present his own view (bashing).

chriz
04-30-2004, 01:24 PM
Kerry was actually invited to WC after Cheney bashed him so that Kerry has a chance to present his own view (bashing).

Right... Nice how no one complains. ;)

LV426
04-30-2004, 02:33 PM
Well maybe they want to hear what he says before they start to complain.

blueeyes
04-30-2004, 04:24 PM
As of yet, I haven't seen any student complaints about Bush. They did get a very nice endorsement, whether or not they agreed with it, and now it's from both sides.
Lamkin knew what he was asking for, I'd bet.
Although, just by probablility, there's got to be someone who won't agree with Kerry.

The Question
05-03-2004, 09:56 PM
What can be said has already been said, all I want to add is this: In an ideal world Cheney is a public servant first, a leader second (the Vice President no less), and a politician last. In this setting, Cheney was invited to speak upon the students' accomplishments and nothing more. All of his aforementioned public roles should have been abandoned. Instead, he choose to be the politician, and in doing so insult the students of Westminster College. What a creep.