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blueeyes
06-01-2004, 06:58 PM
Since we're all enviromentalists (excluding Ender), I felt this should be brought up sooner or later. And I'm not sure if this should go here or in Enviromentalism, but I think we're likely to hit politics a bit more... move it if you feel that we're going more to the EnviroSci section.

Hollywood's Take On Global Warming (http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/06/01/hollywoods_fake_take _on_global_warming/)

IS THIS WHAT it has finally come down to? Rebuffed by science and ignored by the public, global warming alarmists are desperate enough for political relevance to trumpet second-rate Hollywood sensationalism as a "teachable moment" for the complex science of climate change.

Friday's release of "The Day After Tomorrow" has absolutely nothing to teach us about the science of global warming -- even ardent global warming alarmists concede that.

A superstorm pumped up on carbon dioxide like East German female Olympians pumped up on steroids will not engulf the globe. Tornadoes will not pound Los Angeles. Tidal waves will not destroy Manhattan. Subtropical Asia will not be buried by blizzards. It is a figment of Hollywood's imagination.

The images are powerful, and some moviegoers will be duped into giving more credit to alarmist global warming theory than it merits. We will hear the "teachable moment" slogan repeated ad nauseam by every alarmist-with-an-agenda from Al Gore to Captain Planet, but "The Day After Tomorrow" has no more to teach us about global warming than "Independence Day" (not surprisingly created by the same producer) did about astronomy or "King Kong" about African biology.

Indeed, "The Day After Tomorrow" is a teachable moment only with regard to the playbook of the alarmist wing of the environmental movement. An impeachable moment, if you will.

When a heat wave occurs, the alarmists blame it on global warming. When a cold snap occurs, the alarmists blame this, too, on global warming.

And if the weather neither cools nor warms, the alarmists can blame that, too, on global warming, as everybody knows the weather is always changing.

The alarmists and their sychophants in the media chant the mantra, "a consensus of scientists" believe human activity is causing catastrophic climate change.

But who are those scientists? Not the scientists who contributed to the International Panel on Climate Change reports, since they were not asked to endorse the "summary for policymakers" that claims a link exists between human activities and climate change.

Thousands of scientists worldwide -- an overwhelming consensus, it could easily be argued -- have rejected the alarmist's global warming theory. More than 17,000 of them, including dozens of Nobel laureates, have signed a petition saying no convincing scientific evidence supports the theory of catastrophic global warming.

You can read the petition for yourself at www.oism.org/pproject/s33p357.htm.

And what of the supposed evidence of global warming? Computer models, whose programs are written by the global warming alarmists themselves, predictably foretell future warming. But we know those computer models are wrong because they inflate estimates of human greenhouse gas emissions and have "fudge factors" larger than the effect they claim to find. According to these computer models, the planet should already be several degrees hotter than it is.

Polar ice caps, predicted to melt due to global warming (and, according to Hollywood's "teachable moment," triggering the next ice age), have neither grown nor shrunk during the many decades since man began tracking them.

Sea level has risen slowly ever since the last ice age, long before mankind could have been a factor.

Ground-based temperature readings, which alarmists quote every year, do show a warming trend, but not when corrected for the "heat island effect" of roads, buildings, and appliances in cities.

Heat sensors in rural areas show no warming. Satellites, which measure the entirety of the planet's surface and are immune to the localized false warming indications of urban heat islands, show no global warming trend.

Most recent and unbiased scientific research indicates that temperature change caused by rising concentrations of greenhouse gases will be moderate, perhaps 1 degree Celsius in the next century; most of the warming will occur at night and during the winter; and higher concentrations of atmospheric carbon dioxide (which plant life needs to thrive and survive) will lead to a greening of the planet that will enhance global food production.

To be sure, there are some wonderful cinematic special effects in the first half of "The Day After Tomorrow." But if you plan to see the movie and would prefer not to be insulted by kindergarten science, come prepared to turn off your brain for a couple of hours and enjoy the movie for what it is: Hollywood fancy.

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So, not only are more Nobel Prize winning scientists behind the whole "Global warming isn't significant" debate than against it, maybe the reports should be looked over again, and some people should focus more on important enviromental problems, like rain forests being cut down.
But doesn't one degree seem important to me, since even if it doesn't look big, it could be quite dangerous in the long run? Well, since we found out back in September of 2001 that jet contrails are raising average lows by 1.3 degrees (C) and dropping average highs by the same (http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,52512,00.html ) (as high as 3 degrees [C] in the Northwest and Midwest) and may be making people sick and reducing crop growth, we'd be better off getting rid of planes before we work on reducing C02.

Blazer
06-02-2004, 06:51 AM
Interesting Site Here (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/146120.stm)

"We knew that cities have an effect on local weather with urban heat islands and so forth, and people are pretty sure that we're having a general global effect with carbon dioxide," said Dr Randall Cerveny of Arizona State University.

"But nobody had ever looked at the in-between area of large-scale regional weather. We appear to be affecting global weather on a scale that is comparable to El Nino."

The region just off the heavily populated east coast of the US was soaked at weekends. On Saturdays there was about 22% more rain than on Mondays.
Records from monitoring stations showed that levels of two urban pollutants, ozone and carbon monoxide, rose as the weekend approached.

Ian Logan
06-02-2004, 07:43 AM
it is not true they have found proff that this is a natral thing and there is a volcano under antartica. and even if it were true it is mostly coming from japan and china.

P.S sorry about the spelling.

kat
06-02-2004, 07:55 AM
Ian Logan, god dammit, stop attaching "P.S., etc." to every post. If you can't spell, then go away and learn how to spell. Then come back here and try to say the things you want. As it stands, you just drive us crazy because we have to sit there and translate what you're saying.

LEARN TO SPELL.

I now return you to the topic at hand.

Darth Cluich
06-02-2004, 09:05 AM
Thanks for the smackdown, Kat. ;)

Okay, first of all...I am not, by any stretch of the imagination an "environmentalist" (though it scares me to be lumped in with Ender :eek: ) and was extremely surprised to see the usually left-leaning Boston Globe run that piece yesterday. I'm so sick of people saying, no matter what the weather's doing (getting colder, getting warmer, or staying the same), that global warming is about to kill us all.

Say it with me, everyone: "There's no such thing as global warming."

Thank you. Now, was that really so difficult? :p

Ian Logan
06-02-2004, 09:54 AM
Ian Logan, god dammit, stop attaching "P.S., etc." to every post. If you can't spell, then go away and learn how to spell. Then come back here and try to say the things you want. As it stands, you just drive us crazy because we have to sit there and translate what you're saying.

LEARN TO SPELL.

I now return you to the topic at hand.i know how to spell but some times my spelling is wrong and you and other people get after me about it and i was tired of it so i happend to se some one elce use PS at he end ot their letter and they used it so i thought that that this would be a way to get you off my back about my spelling.
I am sorry if i made any one mad with my posts i did not mean to make any one mad!

Ian Logan
06-02-2004, 09:56 AM
Thanks for the smackdown, Kat. ;)

Okay, first of all...I am not, by any stretch of the imagination an "environmentalist" (though it scares me to be lumped in with Ender :eek: ) and was extremely surprised to see the usually left-leaning Boston Globe run that piece yesterday. I'm so sick of people saying, no matter what the weather's doing (getting colder, getting warmer, or staying the same), that global warming is about to kill us all.

Say it with me, everyone: "There's no such thing as global warming."

Thank you. Now, was that really so difficult? :p I agree there's no such thing as global warming!

Darth Cluich
06-02-2004, 10:04 AM
See? Even Ian's figured it out.

alue_wolf_spirit
06-03-2004, 09:03 PM
OK, I am somewhat of an anthropologist.palen tologist and here's what I have to say
Deposit 2 cents here: Thank you and here is Alue's lecture of the day

In Siberia there were 2 wooly mammoths found frozen. Both were whole, intact, and showed no signs of decay. One of them possesed a buttercup in its mouth and both had food within their stomachs. This seems that they were killed instantly while feeding then preserved almost as quickly. One of them is preserved at a museum in New York ( I believe that's corect, been a while since I read the Article). The other is being used in DNA research becuse modern science is trying to bring back the mammoth through cloning. This one was not retrieved from siberia whole because the person that found them was starving and fed part of the meat to himself and his sled dogs, neiher of which showed ill effects from eating the meat.
I feel that they were killed in a storm similar to the one in the movie.

The earth has always ahd a way of self cleansing, through what humans call Natural disasters. Yes they are detrimental in the short run, but in the long run provide w way for new life. When the Earth was first formed it was inhabitable due to the excessive 02 (that's right oxygen) in the atmosphere, through storms, caused by volcanic eruptions and changes LIFE WAS BORN. Later, the land bridge from Russia to North America split, and the continents were divided, allowing for new life on both to change and adapt. no one knows why the land bridge dissappeared, but it was due to natural disaster in my opinion. The extinction of the dinosaurs led to the takeover by mammals thart eventually led to humans (oh yes that is why we are here).

now through pollution and everything else we have put the Earth through may cause something like hollywood has thought up. It may wipe out humans, and another master race will evolve, but the Earth is preparing for a cleansing that much I do blieve.

Alue

PS I hope that I have not offended anyone, If I have I will be happy to have this post deleted.

blueeyes
06-04-2004, 07:23 PM
Look at this first: Quick Freeze Mammoth (http://wiki.cotch.net/wiki.phtml?title=Mam moths_have_been_foun d_quickly_frozen). And although the freshest four or five might have been edible, I think the death from starvation or falling in a river and damage from predators takes away the entire benefit of protien, as well as stopping the big beasts at all likely of being wiped through a freeze cycle. Not to mention that, again, only large animals known for tromping through large, semifrozen bogs were found.

alue_wolf_spirit
06-06-2004, 05:10 AM
OK blueyes, That's cool. I feel the other way about some of that article, but it does ahve a few valid ponts. Not only do I do scientific research, but love to debate. But that is a very good article and thank you
Alue