individuality

[wolf bollocks]

all of our lives we are told what to do, what to eat what not to eat,what's moraly right,what isn't, what to like and what not to like.
at that level we are all just clones of of each other, we have been tought to preserve all faults and imperfections in our race, we make many mistakes and justify each of them as cunningly as the last.
there for there is no individuality in this world just different imperfections.
do we just make this distiction to feel good about ourselves or to hide the grave reality of the earth and its distroyers?

[DarkWolf]

We're not as individual as people realise. But we are to a small degree. Even genetically. While as we develop we adopt psychological schemas or "patterns" in our minds about how to act around people, etc. There are innumerous factors that contribute to this, the larger ones being upbringing, physical interaction. A little of the personality does shine through and seem to be without correlation to statistics and the like. While smile, and hidden, it is there.

Try watching Derren Brown. He's a psychologist who uses the typical schemas combined with sublininal messaging and other forms of psychological trickery to achieve impressive feats of what the common on-looker may perceive as mild "mind control". Of course it isn't mind control: but it is a manipulation of the schemas everyone has. It strongly suggests against individuality and yet, there are sometimes where personality is a factor and can throw even Derren Brown off slightly.

So individuals in everything? No. Sheep? No, we have typicals, generalizations and stereotypes but it does relate to ourselves more than "what somebody else is doing". Also, there's no two people have the same fingerprints or irises. At the basic level we still have a minimum of 1% difference from each other.

[MexicanJewLizard]

Some of the things such as "people tell us what to eat" is a croch of sheit.

How old are you? Because I know that no one makes me eat something I don't want to eat. Apparently people still eat what people tell them not to. Hello, shrooms? They come out of a cows ass. You have to be pretty much "independant" to eat something out of a cows rectum.

do we just make this distiction to feel good about ourselves or to hide the grave reality of the earth and its distroyers?

Ever heard the song, We Are The World? It goes kinda like, "We are the world... we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day, just you and me. Heal the world. Make it a better place, for you and for me and the entire human race. There are people dying and if you care enough for the living, make it a better place for you and for me." There is a reason that song is out. The human race is the superior race. Eventually, the earth is going to be distroyed. "Humans", and you refer to them as if you were not one, are currently trying to protect the enviorment. Look at the enginering advancements they've done with cars.

Just...think a little.

[XWOLFX]

Well, this is what has been annoying me at school. People are being more individual than in the past year. But to me this is a bad thing. Even though ppl express more, more people are being made fun of, doing drugs, getting in trouble, etc. Im what i guess you would call an observer. I watch people hurt other (imotionally and physically), but i don't take part in these act of brutality (not in my nature, my individualism). No one at my school seems to care about grades or education. This generation could be the downfall of society since population is going up, but ppl are getting dumber. What happens when everyone begins to do this?

Human kind will fall.

[Blazer]

No one at my school seems to care about grades or education. This generation could be the downfall of society since population is going up, but ppl are getting dumber. What happens when everyone begins to do this?

Human kind will fall.

I think every generation has had this fear. It's been happening since the fifties when rock 'n' roll came out and rebellion was cool. So I wouldn't be too alarmist.

Humans tend to follow trends because we are set up in cultures. If we didn't have cultures we couldn't pass on education. With this package comes the cultural taboos and norms. Which limits individual freedom.
Even people who rebel against there culture never take it too far, because the human is a social creature and needs acceptance from his peers.

[orange camelion]

yes its true we are all basicaly the same we were born the same and for a while we stay the same but its our personalities that differentiate us from others we all look diffrent this in its self makes us individuals then we each have different personality traits if there were no individuals then every single person would be doing the same thing as the person beside them we would read the same paper we would all get the same grades we would all develop at the same rate
life would be boring if we were all the same,but yes we are still all human and therefor basically the same as the person next to us no matter how much you despise them,you despise them because they have different personality traits you dont like remember

[littleimp]

We're not as individual as people realise. But we are to a small degree. Even genetically. While as we develop we adopt psychological schemas or "patterns" in our minds about how to act around people, etc. There are innumerous factors that contribute to this, the larger ones being upbringing, physical interaction. A little of the personality does shine through and seem to be without correlation to statistics and the like. While smile, and hidden, it is there.

Try watching Derren Brown. He's a psychologist who uses the typical schemas combined with sublininal messaging and other forms of psychological trickery to achieve impressive feats of what the common on-looker may perceive as mild "mind control". Of course it isn't mind control: but it is a manipulation of the schemas everyone has. It strongly suggests against individuality and yet, there are sometimes where personality is a factor and can throw even Derren Brown off slightly.

So individuals in everything? No. Sheep? No, we have typicals, generalizations and stereotypes but it does relate to ourselves more than "what somebody else is doing". Also, there's no two people have the same fingerprints or irises. At the basic level we still have a minimum of 1% difference from each other.


I would have to completely agree with this satement. We're not sheep, but we're not exactly totally individuals either. We all follow certian standards and forms of society even if some of the rules we follow are different from the person next us. We all have our own little quirks and flaws and even if they're tiny they are still what makes us slightly different from everybody else.

[Hellcat]

Copying the behaviour of another of the same species is a tradition that goes back as far as the begining of animal life. No offspring could have possibly survived to breed itself if it did not have the means in which to survive its self. Where does one learn the means to survive? From the ones who ARE surviving, who's knowledge came from those who persevered with trial and error, learning from there own, and others mistakes. Copying behaviour is a natural instinct that all of us have, be it for better or worse. Rebelionism is also a learning measure and isn't always a bad thing. New concepts are often born from unconventionality, and the strength of doing something different or out of the ordinary. Christopher colombus was laughed at when he had that crazy idea that the world was round instead of flat- he effectively rebelled against common belief, and it turned out he was right. The human race had something else to add to its string of knowledge. No doubt the first hunter-gather was laughed at when he decided not chase animals, but keep them near him so that he might farm them.

Humans are natuarlly competative. We have had to be in order to survive. Not only have we had to compete with other animals for food and territory we've had to compete with our own species for the same. We still do it now, but since the human population has increased so dramatically since the birth of the species, we are now competing on a geater scale, but not just for survivals sake, but for trivias sake, and for the sake of satsisfying a greed we have developed.

[Edwardo_son_of_haqim]

Some of the things such as "people tell us what to eat" is a croch of sheit.

How old are you? Because I know that no one makes me eat something I don't want to eat. Apparently people still eat what people tell them not to. Hello, shrooms? They come out of a cows ass. You have to be pretty much "independant" to eat something out of a cows rectum.



Ever heard the song, We Are The World? It goes kinda like, "We are the world... we are the children. We are the ones who make a brighter day, just you and me. Heal the world. Make it a better place, for you and for me and the entire human race. There are people dying and if you care enough for the living, make it a better place for you and for me." There is a reason that song is out. The human race is the superior race. Eventually, the earth is going to be distroyed. "Humans", and you refer to them as if you were not one, are currently trying to protect the enviorment. Look at the enginering advancements they've done with cars.

Just...think a little.

I think that by being "told" what to eat he was refering to the way the media pressure people into eating and buying products that their consience would tell them not to.
Also the human race is distroying the planet at a faster and faster rate it might just be a few people who do it but the vast majority of the population are complacent to it which is just as bad.

[orange camelion]

Also the human race is distroying the planet at a faster and faster rate it might just be a few people who do it but the vast majority of the population are complacent to it which is just as bad.

that would be because a vast majority of the human race are sheep, baaaaaaaa

[Necro Mortis]

People follow the crowd and act as one sometimes, a person is an individual.
Of course there are individuals, pretty much everything has been covered by what other people have said. Everyone has their own personality, it makes them what they are, even if they dont speak to people and just walk about like a ghost they are still individuals, it's themselves. No-one is the same totally, its just one of those things. Even people who follow a trend are individuals, they have made that choice to follow what others are wearing.
If we were all robots and thought the same and looked the same we would be individual, we would not all be made from the same piece of metal.
However, this leads to a question I would like to ask, would a clone of a human be an individual?

[orange camelion]

However, this leads to a question I would like to ask, would a clone of a human be an individual?


yes probably because there is no one like them they are different from everyone else(ahhh im talking about clones as if they were human.....ah well)even if they were an exact clone of a particular human they would still be individual from that human CAUSE THEYRE NOT HUMAN but if a clone was made the same as the other clone then i guess they wouldnt relly be individual anymore.......hmmm

[Hellcat]

yes probably because there is no one like them they are different from everyone else(ahhh im talking about clones as if they were human.....ah well)even if they were an exact clone of a particular human they would still be individual from that human CAUSE THEYRE NOT HUMAN but if a clone was made the same as the other clone then i guess they wouldnt relly be individual anymore.......hmmm

A clone would still be in an individual by its own right. What goes on today effects us tomorrow. Every experience we have plays a small part in how we respond to future circumstances. Unless they are joined at the hip, I'm guessing that even clones have their own individual experiences in the big wide world, and from those experiences they build up a pathway of responses to similar stimulae. For example Clone one and clone two are a pair of arrogant bastards, they both habitually pick their noses, and both make a point of kicking dogs. Clone one goes for a walk in a field, sees a dog and kicks it, this dog is not the kind of canid that sits around and lets itself be kicked- he bites clone one and rips half his face off. Clone two meanwhile is on the other side of town idly picking his nose, suddenly his nose starts bleeding. Now clone one not only bares the scars of a nasty dog bite that now renders him physically different from clone two, he also has acquired a healthy respect for dogs, but he still picks his nose on a regular basis. Clone two on the other hand still kicks a dog on a regular basis, but he's not the avid nose picker he used to be. Why? because they have both learned something from their INDIVIDUAL experiences. Okay so thats a crap scenario, but it gives you a hint of an idea of how experiences affect the way we react to certain stimula, not everyone reacts to a certain stimulae in the same way, and in that respect we are individual.

[SqueakyOnion]

As a friend of mine has put it,

"I am a number,
not a name,
and that is why,
I've gone insane."

Let's face it, there are 6 billion of us on earth. In the big picture, you mean nothing. In all likelihood, your whole state/province means little if nothing (probably). We all have social security numbers...because there are who knows how many people with the same name as every one of us. If you tried to do any government funcion and said "hey, mind name is _________." they'd say "that's nice...what's your social security number?" We no longer have individuality even in our names, one of the most personal things. It is impossible to truly be an individual unless were to return to being hunter-gatherers. Society has places millions of restrictions, rules, and assumptions on us. For example: would any of you guys out there start wearing a flower print skirt? No. Why? Because society has said that skirts are for females only. If there was no society, there would be no rule either way for attire...and this holds true for almost every aspect of our puny physical lives. The only way one can be an individual is in one's mind. Your personality, thoughts, feelings, emotions, desires, love, things that are not tangible. Everyone experiences things differently than others, and this is what makes us different, not our clothes, or the food we eat, or what have you. The sad thing is that so many people conform to what others believe...yes there is merit in learning from others, but not from accepting it blindly without making your own ideas/decisions. I think the biggest example of this is religion. Most religious people are born and raised that way, blindly accepting that religion. They never created the religion, they were never raised a different religion, and a lot of times they've barely studied other religions. There's plenty of information out there for you to read, learn and form your own ideas of how things are and will be. Too many people accept what's already there. Everyone's buying a black car because everyone else has a black car, and not realizing that there are other colors to choose from. Let go of society and be yourself.