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kat
06-03-2004, 06:43 PM
TIA: Bush-Cheney '04 Commits 'an astonishing abuse of religion'; Campaign Seeks to Enlist Tax-exempt Congregations in Campaign (http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/usnw/20040602/pl_usnw/tia__bush_cheney__04 _commits__an_astonis hing_abuse_of_religi on___campaign_seeks_ to_enlist_tax_exempt _congregations_in_ca mpaign1)

WASHINGTON, June 2 /U.S. Newswire/ -- Today, The Interfaith Alliance denounced an initiative from the Bush-Cheney campaign seeking to enlist campaign support in 1600 "friendly congregations" in Pennsylvania.

"Whether or not this is legal, this is an astonishing abuse of religion," said the Rev. Dr. C. Welton Gaddy, president of the Interfaith Alliance. "It is the rawest form of manipulation of religion for partisan gain."

A member of The Interfaith Alliance (TIA) sent a copy of the e-mail she received from the Bush-Cheney campaign asking for volunteers to "serve as a coordinator in your place of worship." A campaign spokesperson in Pennsylvania admitted to Rabbi Jack Moline, a TIA board member, that the email was from the campaign but had only been intended for central Pennsylvania. The spokesperson said that the Bush national headquarters in Virginia had apparently sent it out to others on their list.

"If ever there were a question about the real intent of expanding faith-based initiatives and promoting a presence of religion in government, this tactic puts it to rest," Rabbi Moline said. "The Bush-Cheney campaign has dropped any pretense of honoring the separation of church and state mandated by the Constitution, and puts in jeopardy the non-profit status of 1600 houses of worship by asking them to engage in partisan politics. The President should repudiate this initiative immediately. 1600 Pennsylvania churches for 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. How clever. How reprehensible."

The nation's largest interfaith organization, TIA represents more than 150,000 members from more than 75 faith traditions including Christians, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, and others. TIA promotes the positive, healing role of religion in public life and serves as a progressive voice against the divisive actions of the radical religious right.

"I am disappointed that any campaign would attempt to promote a partisan agenda through churches," said the Rev. Gary L. Harke, executive director, Pennsylvania Council of Churches. "We know that Pennsylvania voters will likely play a decisive role in the outcome of the presidential elections in November, and we encourage people of faith -- as individuals -- to put their values to work for the common good. But congregations should participate only in non-partisan efforts to register voters and encourage civil debate."

"I am troubled by this invitation," said Bishop A. Donald Main, Upper Susquehanna Synod - Evangelical Lutheran Church in America and president, Pennsylvania Council of Churches. "We are concerned that this may be an inappropriate mixture of a political campaign in the lives of our congregations. We underscore our commitment to maintaining religious values in a campaign without crossing the clear line between religion and politics."

Sadly, the Bush campaign is willing to jeopardize churches' tax exempt status, by asking them to endorse his candidacy," said Rabbi Gregory S. Marx, Congregation Beth Or, and treasurer of the Southeast Pennsylvania Interfaith Alliance (SEPIA). "This is one further step, way past Bush's 'Faith Based Initiatives' towards blurring the necessary and historic lines separating church and state."

Blazer
06-03-2004, 07:29 PM
Let us pray.
Our Bush, who art in the Whitehouse, hallowed be thy name. Thy second term come; thy will be done on Iraq as it is in America.
Give us this day our daily speech and lead us not into higher gas prices.
For thine is the states, the power and the glory. Amen.

MexicanJewLizard
06-03-2004, 08:05 PM
Some people believe that Religion can make this country better. It's an opinion that shouldn't even be brough up with the government, so I feel he made the wrong decision for even attempting such.

I think he just wants what's best.

kat
06-03-2004, 08:15 PM
He wants whats best for himself.

Darth Cluich
06-03-2004, 08:27 PM
The nation's largest interfaith organization, TIA represents more than 150,000 members from more than 75 faith traditions including Christians, Muslims, Jews, Sikhs, Hindus, Buddhists, and others. TIA promotes the positive, healing role of religion in public life and serves as a progressive voice against the divisive actions of the radical religious right.[/size]


Are you kidding me? Is this objective reporting? Or did the writer just pull this description off TIA's website? :roll eyes:

Let's face it: Both parties do this. You can't just pin it on the GOP and/or the Bush campaign.

kat
06-03-2004, 08:32 PM
So, what? How does it make it any less wrong? When Gore had that little diddy at that buddhism place (details fail me), people were equally up in arms about it, including me.

Cluich, who cares if the Democrats do it, too? Doesn't make it any less wrong. They are reporting on a specific instance.

And when Kerry does it, please feel free to point it out, as I would be interested.

Darth Cluich
06-03-2004, 08:39 PM
The only way it's wrong is if a campaign is seeking financial support from the churches themselves and abusing the tax-exempt status of those institutions.

This article doesn't specify what form the "support" being sought takes.

alue_wolf_spirit
06-03-2004, 08:50 PM
Doesn't the Constitution state Freedom of Religion? By taxing churches wouldn't that be making it unconstitutional? " you can go to church, but now there is a $5 cover charge so that the government can drive in new cars, eat $100 dinners every night, live in mansions, and have a servant or two. Thank you for coming to the ________ church and have a great day."

Darth Cluich
06-03-2004, 09:07 PM
Congratulations! You just missed the entire point of this discussion, alue! :rolleyes:

blueeyes
06-04-2004, 04:15 PM
The support Bush's asking for is supposed to be in the form of personel (volunteers), which would mercifully leave him outside of the tax exempt status that we see all complaining about. That's also why Gore and Clinton... and most other presidents... got away with it. Don't have time right now to look for Kerry. But since most presidents have won predominately due to the support of a religious group, it's bs anyway.
The end result is that nothing has been broken or ignored, so crying over non-existent crimes seems quite the propaganda.

Darth Cluich
06-04-2004, 04:31 PM
Right, and since the writer did not specify what the support was and implied that it was financial by bring the tax-exempt status into it, one can only assume that the article is simply a hatchet job masquerading as journalism. Also, it should be pointed out that trying to garner support from a congregation is far different from trying to get the support of a church itself.