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kat
06-15-2004, 02:14 PM
Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics (http://www.rense.com/general37/char.htm) common to each:

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism - Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.

2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights - Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of "need." The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.

3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause - The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.

4. Supremacy of the Military - Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.

5. Rampant Sexism - The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.

6. Controlled Mass Media - Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.

7. Obsession with National Security - Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.

8. Religion and Government are Intertwined - Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government's policies or actions.

9. Corporate Power is Protected - The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.

10. Labor Power is Suppressed - Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.

11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts - Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.

12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment - Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.

13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption - Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.

14. Fraudulent Elections - Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.

Okay, so the "barf" didn't count. I just had to worm it in there.

GarouX
06-15-2004, 02:41 PM
Difficult words...make brain hurt.

Xzengrim
06-15-2004, 03:10 PM
Gee, I'm so glad our beloved Bush administration is not involved in things like rabid nationalism, human rights abuse, demonizing enemies, massive militarization, control of mass media, obsession with national security, protection of corporate power, cronyism, or fraudulent elections!

kat
06-15-2004, 08:35 PM
Gee, I'm so glad our beloved Bush administration is not involved in things like rabid nationalism, human rights abuse, demonizing enemies, massive militarization, control of mass media, obsession with national security, protection of corporate power, cronyism, or fraudulent elections!
I know! Praise Jeebus!

LV426
06-15-2004, 11:39 PM
...and god bless us everyone.

blueeyes
06-20-2004, 02:58 PM
Taken from a certain blog this was posted on. I don't know why everyone else is better at saying this than I am.

That is pretty creepy. I am sure that as the "war on terror" continues we will see more and more simularities.
Posted by ***** at June 16, 2004 01:49 PM

Uh, I don't know about most of these fascist leaders, but I do remember that Hitler came to power without a fake or even twisted election. A twisted, applying to just what a impoverished people want to hear type of thing, but no fake ballots and minimal personal attacks. And Franco didn't even have an election, that's the point of a military coup; he decreed himself dictator for life. Same goes for other fascists down in Latin America. There goes number 14.
Mussolini was atheist, making number 8 not common to all groups, particularly since he's credited with starting the Fascist movement.

I don't think the U.S. has even begun to spend a disproportionate amount on the military, and given the media attention, the only soldiers that have been made media starlights are the coffin ones.

Finally, you forgot the one; "imperialistic pursuit of empire".

There are, of course, other cases, but I think I'm raining on your bad metaphor/joke enough.

Blueeyes, ruining the joke one bit of history at a time!
Posted by blueeyes at June 17, 2004 12:24 AM

"I don't think the U.S. has even begun to spend a disproportionate amount on the military..."

In fact, we spend 3% of our GNP on the military -- which put us at 53rd in the overall ranking of nations.
Posted by **** at June 18, 2004 11:36 AM

Actually Blueyes Hitler used a weak constitution, and he did manipulate the elections by a) burning down the Reichstag and b) using violence to intimidate thousands of voters away from the polls.

Also whether Mussolini was an atheist or not has nothing to do with number 8. It says " to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion". You do not have to believe in a religion inorder to use it for your own evil ends (although clearly some religions lend themselves verywell to the pursuit of fascism)
Posted by **** at June 18, 2004 11:14 PM

The Reichstag fire didn't occur until after the Nazi's rose to power, and in fact, it occured a month after Hitler had already became Chancellor. Additional Nazi party members were elected in March of that year, but with close to 44% support before the fire in Febuary...
The Reichstag arson, which some historians still believe to have been commited by members of the communist party, mainly worked to enable Hitler to reduce individual rights, which allowed him to release several laws pretty much making the rest of the government powerless.

Anyway, Hitler had already been elected a while ago, with surprisingly wide support. Some of that may have been due to Nazi threats, but more it was due to the situation in Germany and the weak nature of the other parties.

Mussolini was an atheist, and in fact made most of Italy atheist. He hated religion, quite a bit.
Posted by blueeyes at June 18, 2004 11:40 PM

This sounds more like a description of the nature of power, whether you want to call it fascism or anything else is upto you!
Posted by **** at June 19, 2004 10:16 PM

I started chuckling halfway through the list, even louder by the time I got to the end.

First because it's something in the nature of a Rorschach test: you could apply most of those definitions to just about every Democratic nation on Earth today. You could certainly describe Norway with almost all of the above, and the United Kingdom as well. And France, come to think of it. Indeed, most of those, MOST of the western European nations match the criteria better than the U.S. does today.

Indeed, if you look at that list, the america of 1904 looked a lot more like that then than it does today, if you know your history.

It appears to me that this list is basically either "common things found in fascist and non-fascist regimes" or "let's make a list that makes uninformed people think America is turning fascist."

Tell you what: when you see our politicians declaiming against freedom of religion, declaring Americans to be a superior race and the others inferior, advocating mass slaughter or subjugation of the "inferior races," forcing people into military service, nationalization of major industries, we'll talk. ;-)
Posted by ********** at June 20, 2004 06:27 AM

Startraveler
06-20-2004, 06:35 PM
Tell you what: when you see our politicians declaiming against freedom of religion, declaring Americans to be a superior race and the others inferior, advocating mass slaughter or subjugation of the "inferior races," forcing people into military service, nationalization of major industries, we'll talk. ;-)

>Irony<

chriz
06-21-2004, 11:21 AM
The Rorschach analogy is apt. Leftists want to take what you own and run it through the redistribution filter of centralized government, and no one sees that as a threat to human rights or liberty. But uh oh, we gots us a Christian President and it's suddenly, "Well, I never expected the Spanish Inquisition!"

Darth Cluich
06-21-2004, 11:23 AM
NOOOOOOOOOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!

chriz
06-21-2004, 11:23 AM
I love it when a payoff comes together...

Darth Cluich
06-21-2004, 11:25 AM
Somebody had to do it. ;)

Xesequin
06-21-2004, 10:27 PM
No the United States is not turning fascist. It is, however, infringing on American rights. I do not blame this administration, because these illegal activities on the part of governments since governments were created.