Is history repeating itself?

[XWOLFX]

My World History teacher brought up a very interesting point in class, is history repeating itself? Think about it, is the USA in the early stages of the Roman Empire? As in we have now been attacked on our soil, government corruption, not anything drastic but its still corruption, and the social classes ppl are being split up into suddenly, Middle America, Low income makers, Rich, etc.

Ponder this and tell me, do you think we will fall?

[Lord_Turkey]

its an intersting theroy,

when i learned about the progresson of medicine a few years ago now i loved the way that new medical developments and theroys were based on older civilisations views.

for example (you must forgive me forgeting names) the four humours then there was a seeds of disease theroy that precided it
then (skipping around a thousand years) we have germ theroy (was that louis pasture?)

i use to wonder,

what will a future civilisation change our medical advances & theroy to?

[Hellcat]

if you look carefully at civilisation you will find that history is always repeating itself in one way or another. Before the birth of modern technology the human race relied on herbs for health problems, now we are in the 21st Century we find that despite the numerous medicinal compounds available to us, many people are returning to alternative medicines such as herbalism and massage etc. The same rule sings for religion. When christianity took a hold of civilisation paganism all but died out- few people openly practised paganism in any form for fear of their lives. Now people are far more open about their pagan beliefs, and it seems that more people are turning their faith to paganism (some more as a fashion statement admittedly). Fashion is another example. The 60/70's era was famous for its outragious attire- flares, platforms etc. Now we hit the 21st century and we find that they are making a come back albeit with a brand new name for the modern era. So tis my opinion that history is repeating itself though mostly in a subtle manner. but whether or not America will fall is anyones guess.

[XWOLFX]

Thats very interesting Hellcat. So how long does does everyone thing that the USA will last as the world power?

[ArcaneWolf]

Thats very interesting Hellcat. So how long does does everyone thing that the USA will last as the world power?

It depends it all depends on certain unpredictable factors. It could last a ferw hundred more years or end tomorrow. Just anything could happen that would sway this country's future one way or another and no one would be awarte of it.

[Louve]

My World History teacher brought up a very interesting point in class, is history repeating itself? Think about it, is the USA in the early stages of the Roman Empire? As in we have now been attacked on our soil, government corruption, not anything drastic but its still corruption, and the social classes ppl are being split up into suddenly, Middle America, Low income makers, Rich, etc.

Ponder this and tell me, do you think we will fall?
Thank you Jupiter! Someone else reads these days!!! (no offense to ppl in this forum!) But yeah history has steadily repeated itself over the course of thousands of years. A perfect example is the roiling ethno/religious tension in Kosovo which arose oooH some 700yrs ago, most ppl thought it was a recent outburst.

[Ves]

Was it not Churchill that said "Those who don't learn from history's mistakes are bound to repeat them" or something like that.

The US will likely fail in the end, or at least will probably diminish. I can see that the union will most likely break up and you'll end up with a bunch of independent nations (possibly some of the states will remain together). Which of course would be returning the country to a place in history.

After the comparison of the USA to the Roman empire, I have an amusing mental image of DC being sacked by the goths (that'll teach them to put a tax on eye-liner, black hair dye, and staples).

[Wolf-Bone]

Ok, about the fashion and lifestyles thing, this needs to be said.

It's new to us, but not new historically. Any society that develops far enough to be generally comfortable and secure will have its fair share of members who fetishize superficial aspects of other, typically less advanced cultures. (Although there's exceptions. For example, Westerner's who love anime and other things Japanese. And ironically, Japanese seem obsessed with the west. The whole fascination on both sides is an enigma to me.)

Other societies in the past may have had this for all I know, but what stands out in my opinion is the way we do it not just with other cultures, but to segments within our own. Wiggers could be seen as one example of that.

And yes, I said superficial aspects. And I did say less advanced. You read me correctly. The attitude could be chalked up to the ideal of the noble savage. It's a romanticism of a culture who in the mind of someone from the outside looking in (or from the present looking way back), is less driven by (our idea of) economics and politics, more driven by morals and pride, and because of that is thought to be more honorable.

However, while plenty of westerners will wear dreadlocks and rastafarian hats, how many of those would seriously want their country to be like Jamaica? How many wiggers would give up life in the suburbs to "keep it real"? How many goths even know who the visigoths and austrogoths were?

History isn't repeating itself. People may be looking outside of the mainstream for guidance, but all that proves is how modern those people truly are, because they have the luxury of doing that. What they don't have the luxury of doing is stepping outside the bounds of the modern conventions of society, which will snuff them right out the moment their "inspiration" steps on the wrong toes.

[XWOLFX]

The only thing is that Rome and other empires/dynasties had more internal conflicts. They had many civil war, we have only had one. They had uprises, we never really had any that have lead to all out killing that lasted a while (don't count Kent State). Also their government was unstable and someone that is a bad emperor or whatever they called themselves could control everything, whereas we have a government of checks and balances so that execute, judicial, or legislature can become too powerful. I do understand that there are backdoors to the checks and balances, but ppl notice them more often now and identify them and try to close them. So i don't think we will fall for a very very long time.

[Cuttail]

Yes,we are repeating history it is the ony way that we can learn something,because we have NOT learned our misstakes yet.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Someone once said "Unless we learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it", and I think its very true!

[Tigatron]

Someone once said "Unless we learn from history, we are doomed to repeat it", and I think its very true!

And I can't agrue with that.

[forestwolf]

Defiantly history repeats itself it’s the natural order of life in general. Example: the wonderful circle of life. Your born, you grow older, you die, and life starts over. The point your teacher made is probably very close to the truth, if not the absolute truth, I would comment on it more if it were not for my lack of knowledge on roman history. ggrr lack of knowledge :banghead:

[hollowoaketernal]

A prime example is to compare cesar to JFK. Cesar and cilo, johnny and monro. Cesar was killed by his friends cuz they want to use more people to get more money, the same as Kennedy was killed by his friends so the us could invade vietnam{that son of a bitch johnson} and about the fashion guys, it ussaly goes in 20 year cycle{hence our be loved punk is back,and the regan/bush clan} I mean look at that pair of fat pants in your dresser and then look at a Bay City Rollers album cover, originality is all dried up :D

[FocusedWolf]

Is history repeating itself?

well i can make some predictions then :D

given a large expanse of time...their will occur atleast once and atmost unlimited each of the following:

New more devestating virues

New wars over the same stretches of dirt

Expansion to every portion of existence starting with the ocean and then into space

Extreme overpopulation resulting in united nation action to sterilize, start human hunting season with no bag limit, or atleast apply temporary birth control to a good large part of the worlds expanding population (long time ago i went to the resident evil movie umbrella corporations gag website and one of the news items was putting birth control drugs in africas water supply to stop the over pop...and i think this is likely to be the way it will be done).

Extreme weapons research...both lethal and nonlethal and computerization...so maybe one day their will be a machine gun with a 99 round mag of caseless ammo and a digitial readout of the ammo...and the underside nade launcher ;) And of course luggage size bombs that can kill the solar system.

Faster legal system...you download some warez and are not Canadian (Canada legalized file sharing i believe)...and the RIAA will kill you and everyone genetically releated to you.

Less freedom and rites allowed by government resulting in rebellion and new government, or atleast more terrorists aka patroits.

Mistakes.

Religions more tolerant to the insidious two legged creatues that call themselves human.

And ofcourse theirs always the chance of invasion by aliens and AI of our own creation via the matrix.

O and the worst prediction of them all...and you are so lucky if it doesn't happen...with in the next 10 mins or so you will see a human! NOOOOooo

I feel pretty bad for the world and where people are taking it :(

[DL Lycan]

ANY empire/power or whatever you want to call it will fall in the end. Its a law, there has not been one empire that has not fallen with the exceptions of modern day ones which will eventually fall.

[Darth Cluich]

ANY empire/power or whatever you want to call it will fall in the end. Its a law, there has not been one empire that has not fallen with the exceptions of modern day ones which will eventually fall.

Profound prediction there, Nostradamus...

[DL Lycan]

Hey I'm a little pessimistic get used to it

[C.A.M.]

If History repeats itself than whats the point of advancing technology if it will just fall in the end?

[Hagakure]

If History repeats itself than whats the point of advancing technology if it will just fall in the end?

So we enjoy the ride.