Energy

[Xzengrim]

I've said before that I can do this energy thing during meditation; sort of a drawing-up of immense amounts of energy. I don't know what it is or what it's used for, but I notice when I do it for long periods of time it can make my eyes change to amber or blue (they're brown normally). It gives me the shakes, nearly to the point of having a fit, and it makes my hair stand up. Lately I've noticed that it screws with my ribcage, too. I'll take in a deep breath and hear/feel like a cracking in the sternum; then the ribcage juts out just a bit, the lungs are always a bit fuller.
So anyway... I don't know what the purpose of this is, or to what task I should try to bend it. I've never opened it up all the way, because at such-and-such a point I'll start growling and crying out (and there are others about who would come investigating). Is were-dar supposed to be like this? I feel like I impede it in some way by expecting to Change, but that's really all I can think of using it for. Magick or psi work or whatever says begin with an end in mind, but Zen meditation says it is wrong to expect things.
So I don't know. Any ideas?

[Kishi-Garou]

Wow! Sounds like some major Ki to me.

I would like a definition of what were-dar is.. This is something that eludes me.

I have a meditation I do, I call it the tree form meditation. I sit there, and I start from my feet, and feel like i'm turning to wood, and that my roots extend into the earth, sucking up energy, and if I move my limbs, (hehe pun) it creaks. Its quite cool!

hmm.. Hopefully I get a reply on what it is, i've only seen the word once and that was a post here, and it didn't really define what I needed to know.

[Cape]

Xzengrim, how exactly do you go about meditation? I've been thinking about trying it myself, but not quite sure how to do it.

[LV426]

You know you can induce an epileptic seizure that way.

[Wraywolf]

I've said before that I can do this energy thing during meditation; sort of a drawing-up of immense amounts of energy. I don't know what it is or what it's used for, but I notice when I do it for long periods of time it can make my eyes change to amber or blue (they're brown normally). It gives me the shakes, nearly to the point of having a fit, and it makes my hair stand up. Lately I've noticed that it screws with my ribcage, too. I'll take in a deep breath and hear/feel like a cracking in the sternum; then the ribcage juts out just a bit, the lungs are always a bit fuller.
So anyway... I don't know what the purpose of this is, or to what task I should try to bend it. I've never opened it up all the way, because at such-and-such a point I'll start growling and crying out (and there are others about who would come investigating). Is were-dar supposed to be like this? I feel like I impede it in some way by expecting to Change, but that's really all I can think of using it for. Magick or psi work or whatever says begin with an end in mind, but Zen meditation says it is wrong to expect things.
So I don't know. Any ideas?
Use it for evil.

That is all.

[Xzengrim]

Hmmm... cause a seizure, you say? I've never had one before. It might be entertaining.

Cape: This is how I usually meditate. I find a clean, quiet spot, and stretch for a while. I usually like to meditate in the lotus position, just for a bit of authenticity. Plus, the stretching helps you clear your mind, and the pain can influence your train of thought. Once I can get into position for awhile, I put my hands in my lap, lower my head a bit, and concentrate on the energy I described here. It's sort of a mental "white noise" that distracts the brain long enough for the mind to clear out and turn inward on itself (that's what I think). Contrary to popular belief, meditation is NOT clearing your head of all thoughts. It is not emptiness. It is lack of attachment to any particular thought or way of thinking. After you do it for a little bit, your mind starts to drift over things (there's a mental exercise for this as well, if you want it). Mine drifts over the nature of the universe and over god, over wolves and myself and things.

That's just how I get into it. Different things come to me later on. Drinking a lot of clean water and maybe lighting some sage or rain-flavoured incense helps as well.

[silenceowl]

I've said before that I can do this energy thing during meditation; sort of a drawing-up of immense amounts of energy. I don't know what it is or what it's used for, but I notice when I do it for long periods of time it can make my eyes change to amber or blue (they're brown normally). It gives me the shakes, nearly to the point of having a fit, and it makes my hair stand up. Lately I've noticed that it screws with my ribcage, too. I'll take in a deep breath and hear/feel like a cracking in the sternum; then the ribcage juts out just a bit, the lungs are always a bit fuller.
So anyway... I don't know what the purpose of this is, or to what task I should try to bend it. I've never opened it up all the way, because at such-and-such a point I'll start growling and crying out (and there are others about who would come investigating). Is were-dar supposed to be like this? I feel like I impede it in some way by expecting to Change, but that's really all I can think of using it for. Magick or psi work or whatever says begin with an end in mind, but Zen meditation says it is wrong to expect things.
So I don't know. Any ideas?


sounds like your turning into a werewolf supersayen

[Cape]

sounds like your turning into a werewolf supersayen


hey! that means only about 32 more episodes of meditation until you sprout fur!

[lachrymal]

well i don't know what to say. whenever i meditate and i start shaking, hearing things, and when my eyes start to change color, i'll break out of my trance. i'm almost afraid of what might happen if i continue....so anyways, as you see i am no help in this area...

[WhiteCrowUK]

I'll take in a deep breath and hear/feel like a cracking in the sternum; then the ribcage juts out just a bit, the lungs are always a bit fuller.

Sounds like you're suffering from constipation there - try some more fibre in your diet. :banghead:

In all seriousness, I find concentrating for meditation pretty damn impossible at times - just seems every dodgy thought pops into my brain. And by dodgy I mean trying to remember lyrics to songs you hate over anything sexual and altogether more interesting ...

[Cape]

i made an attempt at meditation today, but i'm not exactly sure what happend.

first it took me a while to clear all the thoughts from my mind. something stupid would just keep randomly popping in, but then i got focused, and pretty much was just in a state of comfort. at some point i got a random image of a wolf pup jumping off of something and my body started to tingle.

after that i can't remember what happend. i may have fell asleep or something. but if i did, i wasn't completely asleep because i still felt semi-concious, but barely. the last thing i remember is hearing some sort of cracking noises (it sounded sort of like someone squeezing and bending the TV remote, which coincidentally was right near my face *was laying down on sofa*) I then woke up completely refreshed, looked around trying to find the source of the cracking noises, then just got up and started doing some chores that needed to get done.


so i'm not sure exactly what happened, but it was...interesting.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Yup have had that happen - just feel like you pass out sometimes. So much for discovering the mysteries of the Universe in meditation ...

[DarkHunter]

I've discovered much through meditation though i still can't find out why i can't go astral anymore.

This sounds interesting this meditation, I'll try it and find out what happens. Explore the full extent of whats happening or could happen.

[Nivek]

Xzengrim,
The energy experiances you have been having are quite common in certain circles. It is a build up of Ki/Chi/aether/kundalini/ect. This energy can be used for many things, psi balls/shields/swords/ect., healing, astral projection, kinesis, the list goes on, for they are all inter-related. It is common for shifters to go through this stage, you do show all the symptoms, eyes changing, ribs acheing and poping. It is better if one just lets these things happen and not expect them to. Know that you are not the only one to have had these experiances, I and many others have as well. Those who do not understand like to mock, ignore them, they are ignorant for they have yet to experiance. May I suggest that you go on a sojourn to a wooded area and release yourself? You may be pleasently surprised in some ways and painfully intrigued in others. I can tell that you have the proper mindframe to ensure your sanity throughout this period of expansion.
Silenceowl did add with an interesting point, although only a cartoon, DBZ is based on actual principles that have been taken from metaphysics and created it's own modern day mythology, owls are wise messengers. If you have any questions, you know what to do.;)

[Xzengrim]

Hmmm... First of all...
Whitecrow!! Man, I ain't seen you in for ever!! Drop me a line.

As for ki and energy and whatall... I've been around to some psy websites, and none of them seem to be able to say anything coherent.

As for Nivek's wooded area idea... I did that once. I went out to the forest and howled with the wolves (there are some real ones here) and watched the full moon for awhile. Then I decided I was just going to let go completely, f**k science and understanding and everything else. Interesting things happened. My senses of hearing and smell spiked, and my skin started to feel weird. Like an itching, burning... especially in my nose and upper-pallate. I had strange feelings in the bones of my feet and fingers. I don't know WHAT that was. I got worried and stopped. But I hope to try it again soon. Maybe next time the moon comes out.

Thanks for the advice. PS> Dragonball was wicked cool, once upon a time.

[Nivek]

As for ki and energy and whatall... I've been around to some psy websites, and none of them seem to be able to say anything coherent. I wouldn't know, I haven't been to any sites on the subject. Though it is likely that many people whom try to relay this matter have a hard time at it. Science can't figure it out and denies it for the most part. The rest of the people tend to argue between the theories on it, what it is and how it works. Best way to make sence of it is to put it all together turning all the theories into one, ignoring the names. Much like religions.;)

As for Nivek's wooded area idea... I did that once. I went out to the forest and howled with the wolves (there are some real ones here) and watched the full moon for awhile. Then I decided I was just going to let go completely, f**k science and understanding and everything else. Interesting things happened. My senses of hearing and smell spiked, and my skin started to feel weird. Like an itching, burning... especially in my nose and upper-pallate. I had strange feelings in the bones of my feet and fingers. I don't know WHAT that was. I got worried and stopped. But I hope to try it again soon. Maybe next time the moon comes out. What you experianced here is normal as well. Do not fear it, revel in it. There is no need to worry. Once you have let yourself go fully it will become easier and easier. You will be able to release the locks of your sences more frequently. Just remember, it's your body, you are in control.

[Cape]

i tried this again today, and i think i experienced the rib cage thing that some of you guys were talking about.

i'm not sure if it's the same thing, but i don't really care. my mind is so much clearer right now and i'm actually able to focus on things now, so i'm going to continue doing this regardless.

[blueeyes]

You are attempting to focus the energy inside you too much. Don't put all of your attention on it. Instead, simply allow it to flow around you; to mix with your surroundings. Then wrap it around you.

I can't say it'll will turn you into a wolf, but it might be good for dealing with headaches and accentuating senses.

[WhiteCrowUK]

Hmmm... First of all...
Whitecrow!! Man, I ain't seen you in for ever!! Drop me a line.


Hi X - yeah I've been a bit busy myself - seems like my life is more than a little mad at the moment! :banghead:

[Cape]

You are attempting to focus the energy inside you too much. Don't put all of your attention on it. Instead, simply allow it to flow around you; to mix with your surroundings. Then wrap it around you.

I can't say it'll will turn you into a wolf, but it might be good for dealing with headaches and accentuating senses.


well, i really wasn't expecting it to turn me into a wolf or anything. how exactly should i feel when i'm doing it right, just so that i know?

[werebeast]

I've said before that I can do this energy thing during meditation; sort of a drawing-up of immense amounts of energy. I don't know what it is or what it's used for, but I notice when I do it for long periods of time it can make my eyes change to amber or blue (they're brown normally). It gives me the shakes, nearly to the point of having a fit, and it makes my hair stand up. Lately I've noticed that it screws with my ribcage, too. I'll take in a deep breath and hear/feel like a cracking in the sternum; then the ribcage juts out just a bit, the lungs are always a bit fuller.
So anyway... I don't know what the purpose of this is, or to what task I should try to bend it. I've never opened it up all the way, because at such-and-such a point I'll start growling and crying out (and there are others about who would come investigating). Is were-dar supposed to be like this? I feel like I impede it in some way by expecting to Change, but that's really all I can think of using it for. Magick or psi work or whatever says begin with an end in mind, but Zen meditation says it is wrong to expect things.
So I don't know. Any ideas?


Well when i am in the moon for meditaion i am alone in my room or outside or in my back yard it is usually around 8:30 pm-10:00. I usually have a quiet music classical of jazz(no words) and i close my eyes and clear my mind. i dont know how to explain this but i enter a state of calmness. I picture a scean of wildness where no humans are around(sometimes like a deserted beach of in the forest). Then it shows me just walking in the sea if it is by the beach or walking bye a creak i the woods. After about 30-45 minuets i wake up from my state of calmness and i fell stronger not just physical but mental.

[blueeyes]

well, i really wasn't expecting it to turn me into a wolf or anything. how exactly should i feel when i'm doing it right, just so that i know?
I was speaking to Xzengrim. I have little advice to someone, but I can try to help. Expecting too much is ridiculous. You will achieve nothing if you can only focus on the goal. You may feel a sense of well-being, or sense may seem different, or you may react differently to some actions. If you feel anything different, you have achieved something.

[Cape]

oh, ok. i think i've been doing it relatively right then.thanks

[Moonlight]

sounds like your turning into a werewolf supersayen

Huh? A supa-what?

Anyway...that is really good for you Xzengrim :) Meditation can only do wonders for your mind and body.

[Wraywolf]

Huh? A supa-what?

DBZ. A cartoon from japan that was good, but now is not.

I tried meditating a few times, but I find it very freaking hard.

First, clearing my thoughts. Let me just say I have the mental focus of a… a… thing that’s really unfocused. I keep thinking “this reminds me of that Simpson’s episode SHUT UP” or “this is stupid STOP THINKING”. I can never fully clear my mind for more than 5 seconds. I always snap myself back with self aimed criticism or amazement.

Although, I can do what feels like a build up of energy. I have been able to do it for a long time. I don’t need to clear my mind or anything, just… well, you could say I try to move, and stay completely still at the same time. I feel real tingly throughout my body, and if I hold it to long, my legs and chest and everything else start to ache, and I end up out of breath.

That count? I never regarded at as something out of the ordinary.

[Moonlight]

DBZ. A cartoon from japan that was good, but now is not.

Ah, I see. Thanks for clearing it up Wraywolf!

[lordragoon]

Wraywolf, it might help if you try, instead of clearing your mind, focusing on one thing for a while. I'm not sure if that's easier, but it might be. Oh, and don't forget that it is less achieving something than striving for it. (or at least that's what I've been told.)

[Kishi-Garou]

DBZ. A cartoon from japan that was good, but now is not.

I tried meditating a few times, but I find it very freaking hard.

First, clearing my thoughts. Let me just say I have the mental focus of a… a… thing that’s really unfocused. I keep thinking “this reminds me of that Simpson’s episode SHUT UP” or “this is stupid STOP THINKING”. I can never fully clear my mind for more than 5 seconds. I always snap myself back with self aimed criticism or amazement.

Although, I can do what feels like a build up of energy. I have been able to do it for a long time. I don’t need to clear my mind or anything, just… well, you could say I try to move, and stay completely still at the same time. I feel real tingly throughout my body, and if I hold it to long, my legs and chest and everything else start to ache, and I end up out of breath.

That count? I never regarded at as something out of the ordinary.

Meditation isn't about clearing your thoughts. Its about self contemplation, and exploration inside yourself.

Wootness!

[Cape]

than what exactly are you supposed to focus on?

the way i've been doing it was finding a quiet and confortable place (my bedroom, as it's the most comfortable and quiet place for me right now), relaxing my body, and clearing all of my thoughts.

this wasn't really doing much, but it was relaxing (i think this is why i started to fall asleep the first time i tried). in my bedroom, when it's quiet, i can hear a sort of ringing noise. i can hear it almost anywhere when it gets really quiet, but it seems strongest in my bedroom. i decided to sort of focus on this my second time trying and this is when things got a bit more interesting. after a while of doing this (like...20 min or so) i lowered my head a bit (not sure why) and suddenly i could hear that "white noise" stuff one of the other posters mentioned. it seemed to almost pierce through my right ear, but it wasn't painful or anything. just felt odd. i noticed if i changed positions it would get quieter, so i held the head-down position for a little. eventually it sort of sputtered and dissapeared though.

i havn't really had a chance to do it this way since then to experiment anymore, unfortunetly, with school and work and all. i've tried meditating a bit at school, but it's too noisy.

[Wraywolf]

I think that whit noise is just your ears adjusting to the lack of sound. Think about it, all day your ears are constantly bombarded with noise, all day long. When it gets quit, your ears ring till they adjust.

Or not. Could be something entirely different. I’m just guessing.

[Cape]

well, i hear it even after not hearing anything for a long time (for example, waking up from sleeping for 8 hours or so). the ringing, i mean. the white noise part i never heard before, aside from a radio or a TV.

i've heard some theories on the ringing though, because apparantly there are a lot of other people who hear it too (or a similar sound. could even be a low rumbling for some people. depends on the location). the theory with the best backing behind it is that it's simply a large build up of some kind of energy somewhere in the proximity of the area.

[Xzengrim]

That ringing noise you hear when everything is quiet is a space-holding noise produced by the brain. When there is nothing to hear, rather than report complete sensory deprivation to the rest of the brain (which would throw the other senses out of whack), the brain tells you that it hears a faint ringing.
Of course, if it's really loud, it might be a tintineal problem. But in regular people, that noise is just there to keep pace with the other senses.

[Nivek]

Although, I can do what feels like a build up of energy. I have been able to do it for a long time. I don’t need to clear my mind or anything, just… well, you could say I try to move, and stay completely still at the same time. I feel real tingly throughout my body, and if I hold it to long, my legs and chest and everything else start to ache, and I end up out of breath.

That count?

I would say that it does. One does not need to have a clear mind when moving Chi/Ki, in fact there are many words, chants and mantras that are put into practice in many of the teachings of Chi/Ki. Such as power words for certain martial arts moves. Supposedly the words harmonize with the energy making it more physical than ethereal.

For those that have problems clearing their minds in meditation, try creating a simple mental chant and focus on repeating in in your mind. Both can lead to a more focused and controlled mental state.

A thought I had about some of this chest hurting talk...
How are you all breathing? Do you use your lungs or your diaphragm? If you are using just your lungs than the pain in you chest or ribs may be an adverse effect of that. It is best to breath with your belly. When you inhale your stomach should become more pronounced/convexed/bigger. When you exhale it should become less pronounced/concave/smaller. If you are doing this and your ribs and chest still exhibit signs of pain, do not fear. It is normal for some of us.;)

[holy_will]

When I try to meditate, it always seems like there is some kind of distraction. Either my mind wanders elsewhere, normally something stupid like something I heard at school earlier in the day; or the tiniest sound will grab my attention. That, and I tend to get wierd headaches or migranes when I try to focus on one single thing.

And about emptying your mind of all thought. I actually think that is kind of impossible, since even when trying to empty your mind of thought, that desire to empty your mind is in your mind. :drool: Thus,there is always something there. :rolleyes:

[Nivek]

When I try to meditate, it always seems like there is some kind of distraction. Either my mind wanders elsewhere, normally something stupid like something I heard at school earlier in the day; or the tiniest sound will grab my attention. That, and I tend to get wierd headaches or migranes when I try to focus on one single thing.

And about emptying your mind of all thought. I actually think that is kind of impossible, since even when trying to empty your mind of thought, that desire to empty your mind is in your mind. :drool: Thus,there is always something there. :rolleyes:

Sometimes during meditations it is best to listen to those random thoughts for they can have great importance in what one is going through in their daily lives.

Can you describe your headaches?

When ones mind becomes clear there is no longer the desire to clear ones mind.;)

[holy_will]

Sometimes during meditations it is best to listen to those random thoughts for they can have great importance in what one is going through in their daily lives.

Can you describe your headaches?

When ones mind becomes clear there is no longer the desire to clear ones mind.;)

It is kind of hard to explain a headache. Kind of like a sharp, sudden throbbing pain in my head, towards the fron of my head. The is particularly why I think they may be migranes, since I do get migranes atleast once or twice a month. I swear I can schedule the dumb migranes.

[Nivek]

It is kind of hard to explain a headache. Kind of like a sharp, sudden throbbing pain in my head, towards the fron of my head. The is particularly why I think they may be migranes, since I do get migranes atleast once or twice a month. I swear I can schedule the dumb migranes.Front of your head? Is that on your brow? your temples? Or is it internal? I have found that many whom experiance headaches are in denial about something. The reason I say this is that I never get a headache unless I try to deny some truth that I should let out and/or accept or when I am attacked on a psychic level, of course I try to deny the attack because I do not like confrontations. Do you believe that you have a "third eye"?